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(09:28 AM) tippet:   morning
(09:28 AM) tippet:   everyone see googles charts
(09:28 AM) Tom_B:   :)
(09:28 AM) tomsurf:   tip- yes, nice
(09:30 AM) tippet:   tom b ewaver Onishake expects a rise to 1430 but may test 1397 1st then back 
down to 38% of wave 3
(09:30 AM) Tom_B:   Tnx tipp
(09:32 AM) tippet:   10am # importante!!!
(09:33 AM) mj200:   what report
(09:33 AM) tippet:   consumer conf
(09:33 AM) mj200:   tks tip
(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364:   bk
(09:38 AM) tippet:   50% from 3rd kiss
(09:39 AM) oddplayer:   can you buy futures on futures?
(09:39 AM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/Buffy-Pyra%20tos%20bos2.gif
(09:39 AM) Tom_B:   Hldng my frst # 
(09:42 AM) tippet:   who put up the 144t charts yesterday
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364:   NQoos
(09:43 AM) tippet:   yes 
(09:43 AM) tippet:   ?
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364:   I don't know his name
(09:43 AM) Tom_B:   I know him
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364:   have known him a long time
(09:44 AM) tippet:   came in at night? is he in the room
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364:   friday night and weekends he sometimes stops by
(09:44 AM) Tom_B:   not during day
(09:44 AM) dave_b_quik:   NQoo has been a frequent visitor for a long time, but he just started 
posting charts
(09:44 AM) dave_b_quik:   nice ones, too
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364:   sure are
(09:45 AM) tippet:   test here ? ...sox lil weaker thatn rest???VERY NICE CHARTS
(09:45 AM) tippet:   should get him in the room
(09:45 AM) Tom_B:   really not his style
(09:45 AM) tippet:   sell diverg here on 5mn?
(09:46 AM) tippet:   rsi
(09:46 AM) tomsurf:   thought his idea of adding swing in triangle very interesting
(09:46 AM) tippet:   also brachs ewave chart from sunday were spot on
(09:47 AM) tippet:   hmm sox still lagging here... 22 is 50% off 2/14 hod coming up to trendline also
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   sitting on hands until report out
(09:54 AM) tippet:   sox built lil railroad pattern now upside brk could be posetive for nq... 
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   tks tippet
(09:54 AM) oddplayer:   I had conection problems earlier...its ok right now....hope it lets me trade today
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   very frustating when it doesn't been there
(09:55 AM) oddplayer:   I'm gonna just try scalping today.....a long way to my weekly goal
(09:56 AM) oddplayer:   should say I'm well along on my weekly goal
(09:56 AM) oddplayer:   what # is due out?
(09:56 AM) tippet:   5 min #
(09:56 AM) Buffy_04364:   consumer confidence
(09:57 AM) oddplayer:   thx
(09:57 AM) tippet:   SOX hod
(09:57 AM) google_2:   good morning
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364:   Hi google
(09:57 AM) google_2:   forgot to add the 1425 level to the charts
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364:   tks for posting nice charts
(09:57 AM) google_2:   all have a nice day
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364:   u 2
(09:58 AM) tippet:   27.5 gap resis
(09:59 AM) tomsurf:   1428=r1 too
(09:59 AM) tippet:   this is a nice lil rising wedge here but we all know how valid they turned out yest 
... 
(10:00 AM) tippet:   guesss # not good
(10:00 AM) BrainStorm:   damn so glad I got flat for report
(10:00 AM) Buffy_04364:   doesn't look it
(10:00 AM) Buffy_04364:   yep staying in for report is nuts
(10:00 AM) Buffy_04364:   IMO
(10:01 AM) Tom_B:   shrt
(10:01 AM) BrainStorm:   reminds me I saw a book that looked good...explains the dignificance of the various 
reports...not that Id make plays based on them
(10:02 AM) tippet:   coming down to googles 3min trendline
(10:03 AM) tippet:   hit
(10:07 AM) tippet:   tom .. got a destination
(10:07 AM) tomsurf:   my esig and IB are out of sync
(10:07 AM) Tom_B:   poss 02 or outside shot 1388
(10:08 AM) tippet:   at he lower channel line here may cover
(10:08 AM) BrainStorm:   same here tom esig and proptrader sugegsts its esignal feed I guess
(10:08 AM) tippet:   covered too good ... at the 20ema15 also
(10:09 AM) tomsurf:   was watching chart for entry and price was way past it when i looked at IB :-(
(10:09 AM) BrainStorm:   dosent look like a fast market wierd
(10:09 AM) tippet:   switchd to 55t to get in 
(10:09 AM) ppusa:   short at 14 covered here
(10:10 AM) Tom_B:   out 1 02
(10:10 AM) tippet:   95.5 50 % yest low
(10:10 AM) BrainStorm:   looksl like the esignal data has caught up
(10:11 AM) BrainStorm:   hmm speak to soon
(10:11 AM) oddplayer:   target PP?
(10:11 AM) tomsurf:   4pts off here...not a happy camper at all
(10:11 AM) ppusa:   88??????
(10:11 AM) ppusa:   38%
(10:12 AM) Tom_B:   going 4 88 hre on 2nd unit
(10:12 AM) tippet:   89.5 38% off bottom
(10:12 AM) ppusa:   may bounce before 88
(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364:   hi pp
(10:13 AM) ppusa:   hi
(10:13 AM) tippet:   covred tooo early..nice ride tom need that 2nd unit
(10:13 AM) oddplayer:   out +1/4 w/ bad connection
(10:13 AM) p_8:   they keep selling it
(10:13 AM) ppusa:   sold at 21 and panicked........so sold q's at 14 area
(10:14 AM) Tom_B:   hit some supp hre might ttmar
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364:   did on tag of bos :-)
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364:   first bos looked strong enough to go through and it did
(10:15 AM) oddplayer:   well we found our 1st support level
(10:15 AM) tippet:   could see the 4th wave corr in almost one bar on the 15min chart
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364:   maybe another nice flag?
(10:16 AM) Tom_B:   Flat
(10:16 AM) Tom_B:   :)
(10:16 AM) ppusa:   LOD???
(10:16 AM) Tom_B:   Tnx Buffy got me out a bit sooner
(10:16 AM) ppusa:   reversed all the PnF on this drop
(10:16 AM) tippet:   01 38%last leg down
(10:16 AM) Buffy_04364:   :-) tom
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364:   you made the tmar comment
(10:17 AM) ppusa:   has amyone done the math for 38%?
(10:17 AM) tippet:   from where pp
(10:17 AM) BrainStorm:   1404.5 pp (based on todays range
(10:18 AM) Tom_B:   Took 1 out at 03 first trgt & looked for 88ish for 2nd
(10:18 AM) ppusa:   i did it 38%1389 ish
(10:18 AM) tippet:   already posted 38% off bottom 9.5
(10:18 AM) tomsurf:   6pts behind
(10:18 AM) mj200:   are your esignal es h2 quotes slow
(10:19 AM) tomsurf:   esignal is junk this morning
(10:19 AM) BrainStorm:   damn this is bad
(10:19 AM) jalemany:   mine are...way slow
(10:19 AM) Tom_B:   anybody call them ?
(10:19 AM) jalemany:   no
(10:19 AM) Tom_B:   grrr going to 88 :)
(10:19 AM) august45:   very slow
(10:19 AM) august45:   88?
(10:19 AM) ppusa:   i guess the question now is whether the high of the week or the low of the week is in?
(10:20 AM) august45:   cme running 83-84
(10:20 AM) Tom_B:   pp ur supposed to give some answers hre :)
(10:20 AM) tippet:   200ema5 here
(10:20 AM) trader_29:   fwiw Tradestation quotes match e SIg and both lag IB by about 50 seconds
(10:20 AM) Tom_B:   72ish nxt 
(10:21 AM) jalemany:   20 ema 1 hr 1385
(10:21 AM) mj200:   i'm on hold with signal
(10:22 AM) mj200:   i use cme site as backup
(10:22 AM) ppusa:   lng scalp
(10:22 AM) tomsurf:   trader- guess the pipes are clogged this morning....
(10:22 AM) Tom_B:   y, tipp hldng 5m 200 ema, so far...imp't area hre
(10:22 AM) mj200:   server problems with aol recorder says
(10:22 AM) trader_29:   my guess is that CME can't spit'em out fast enough
(10:22 AM) Buffy_04364:   tom does tracert say there problem?
(10:22 AM) mj200:   its all elec
(10:23 AM) trader_29:   IB is probably on trading servers and esig et al on resale quote servers
(10:23 AM) tomsurf:   going for a walk this is absolutly ridiculous
(10:23 AM) dave_b_quik:   IB was quoting 83 when esignal was still up at 89, so CME must be OK
(10:23 AM) Tom_B:   Whre's Al Gore whn u need a new internet ??
(10:23 AM) ppusa:   Tom my answer is i am sorry i didn't hold a little longer
(10:23 AM) Tom_B:   me too but a plan is a plan...
(10:23 AM) jalemany:   J-trader same dave
(10:24 AM) Tom_B:   Still got 27 pts out of 2 lot...hvng 2nd position has REALLY made a big diff
(10:25 AM) BrainStorm:   Spoken to esignal
(10:25 AM) Tom_B:   instead of all or nothing
(10:25 AM) ppusa:   that low hit the 50 bar ma on the 15 min
(10:25 AM) BrainStorm:   they tell me (in the UK) that there engineers are working on it...hmm
(10:25 AM) BrainStorm:   40 second delay so no trades for me
(10:26 AM) trader_29:   dave b   my tradestation quote match my esig quotes and they both lag IB   which to me means 
the problem is from the CME
(10:26 AM) mj200:   in uk we're here in the ol usa
(10:26 AM) BrainStorm:   if I could rember my quote.com password I could try them
(10:27 AM) BrainStorm:   speak for your self mj
(10:27 AM) Tom_B:   Hve to let the mud clear but so far, subj to change...that was the brk to be bot, hwevr...i am 
going to wait 4 a test 
(10:27 AM) mj200:   sorry, didn't know you weren't from usa
(10:28 AM) ppusa:   i bot 86 for the long scalp but unfortunately again on the way down so i covered b/e
(10:28 AM) BrainStorm:   hehe nope
(10:28 AM) BrainStorm:   means I can work from lunch time which is nice
(10:28 AM) mj200:   foot in mouth again
(10:28 AM) ppusa:   so let's see i sold at 21 and bot at 86
(10:28 AM) Tom_B:   Catch a falling sword, put it in ur pocket, save it 4 a rainy day...
(10:28 AM) ppusa:   how much money did i make?
(10:28 AM) tippet:   tom when does wave 4 violate the terms of ew thought it is 38% of c
(10:28 AM) ppusa:   -3
(10:29 AM) Tom_B:   can go 50-62% retr
(10:29 AM) tippet:   k thanks
(10:29 AM) BrainStorm:   guess I could practice my tape reading skills
(10:29 AM) Tom_B:   but i'm no xpert on this, brach is the guy
(10:30 AM) tippet:   went further to 71 i think
(10:30 AM) mj200:   about 30 sec off of cme
(10:30 AM) Tom_B:   I just try to put this in the contxt of the mkt i see and 
(10:30 AM) Tom_B:   put my helmet on :)
(10:31 AM) mj200:   back in line again but cme skipping a lot of sales
(10:31 AM) Tom_B:   Anybody, is this arc or ...?
(10:31 AM) mj200:   looks like
(10:31 AM) BrainStorm:   looks like esignal caught up but tick volume pretty low
(10:32 AM) ppusa:   from what i see the uptrend is at this moment still intact
(10:32 AM) scorp:   that quote lag was a mess
(10:32 AM) scorp:   for me at least
(10:32 AM) tippet:   ha another iraq troop rumor came out same time as cconfidence .. some bear 
mkt fund spreading rumors
(10:32 AM) Tom_B:   me too pp, wht abt googles arc hre is this one of those with looking to sell 38% retr of this ?
(10:32 AM) BrainStorm:   me too scorp...stood aside for most of it
(10:33 AM) mj200:   shilling has nothing to hide except WHER"S THE MONEY
(10:34 AM) ppusa:   Tom longer term PnF still says higher, got the 75 point reversal this am.....
(10:34 AM) Tom_B:   tnx pp
(10:34 AM) ppusa:   BUT
(10:34 AM) tippet:   were up to the broken trendline from 1/09 kissback 
(10:35 AM) Tom_B:   smart mve wud hve been to buy rev bk thru 88, DA...asleep at the switch
(10:35 AM) ppusa:   can't buy looking for 125 point reversal because of the risk
(10:35 AM) ppusa:   right the smart move would be to buy at 86 area and hold or stay short
(10:36 AM) Tom_B:   02 - 11 trgt frm 88 dood trde...grrrr
(10:36 AM) Tom_B:   good
(10:36 AM) ppusa:   depending on one's preference
(10:36 AM) Tom_B:   1m 200 ema hre
(10:37 AM) tippet:   could potentially see a kssback to the rising channel we broke and maybe not
(10:37 AM) tippet:   actually on my 5min we got a perfect kissback will post
(10:38 AM) Tom_B:   scalpers ball
(10:39 AM) tomsurf:   back
(10:40 AM) tippet:   posted kissback to channel....so far holding 
(10:40 AM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/Buffy-4M_Pyra4.gif
(10:40 AM) tippet:   LS
(10:41 AM) tippet:   3 humps on 144t
(10:41 AM) pete77_1:   ma sandwich on 5 min
ppusa:   i would like to see nq make a new low and take out 1330. However the daily charts suggest a breakout 
above today's high. 
(10:43 AM) Tom_B:   not sure hw mch tho
(10:43 AM) tippet:   going back into the channel
(10:44 AM) tornadoatc:   Is anyone speaking? I am trying to configure ports.
(10:44 AM) FrankT:   Feed lag again
(10:44 AM) Tom_B:   go to pal help room for that
(10:45 AM) Tom_B:   tornad
(10:45 AM) Tom_B:   o
(10:45 AM) tippet:   got 62%
(10:46 AM) ppusa:   tippet this is 62% here
(10:46 AM) tippet:   yes
(10:47 AM) Tom_B:   1411 was my nxt trgt
(10:47 AM) ppusa:   6 point says maybe
(10:47 AM) tippet:   8.8
(10:47 AM) ppusa:   minor sell on one chart
(10:48 AM) Tom_B:   entering scalpland, imvho
(10:48 AM) oddplayer:   indian territory?
(10:48 AM) scorp:   hope everyone is making money on these moves
(10:48 AM) Tom_B:   BUT TRND is UP
(10:48 AM) ppusa:   the 2 trades i look for are done
(10:50 AM) ppusa:   my charts are neutral here
(10:50 AM) tippet:   trest of uptrendline
(10:50 AM) ppusa:   20 bar ma on 5 and 15
(10:50 AM) ppusa:   all PnF has corrected
(10:50 AM) ppusa:   someone else make this call
(10:51 AM) Tom_B:   ONly 2 trdes 4 me so far the shrt :) & the lng I missed :(...now will wait :)
(10:52 AM) Tom_B:   Scalpers anonymous...
(10:52 AM) jimbo_320:   good morning all
(10:52 AM) Tom_B:   Range being establ now
(10:52 AM) Tom_B:   hi jim
(10:52 AM) tomsurf:   TomB- nice short this AM. Was looking for same but got caught watching chart 
when price was already 5pts away from my entry...
(10:52 AM) Buffy_04364:   mornign Jimbo
(10:52 AM) Tom_B:   tnx TOmS
(10:54 AM) jimbo_320:   hope everyone got a bit of the plunge, just looged on so missed it :-(
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(10:54 AM) tomsurf:   between 5&15min ma's a choppy place
(10:54 AM) jimbo_320:   anyone be interesting in murray math on my software ?
(10:55 AM) Tom_B:   Evntho I've slowed WAY Dwn...I STILL didn't execute the rev at 88 if I only takes those trdes 
and stay away frm the little lower % stuff, I do MUCH better ...SLOWER suits me, $$ vs adreneline.. :)
(10:55 AM) tomsurf:   lol ;-)
(10:55 AM) scorp:   i need to learn that discipline Tom; nice job
(10:57 AM) Tom_B:   Scorp, those that know me hre a long time hve seen me throw evrythng at this but the 
kitchen sink...obv each person has to find thir natural order or flow with mkt... I believe I've FINALLY found 
mine.... NOT TOO SOON EITHER :)
(10:59 AM) tippet:   on 15min chart we are still below the lower channel line in fact nice kissback 
chart posted
(10:59 AM) ppusa:   nq is gonna consolidate between 1409 and 1397
(11:00 AM) Tom_B:   DIscipline is really the key after a reanonably decent process u can hve confidence in...one 
of my biggest prob's was trying to be disciplined with a process i didn't hve confidence in... chaos
(11:01 AM) scorp:   ah, good point
(11:01 AM) scorp:   i will stop posting if anyone wants
(11:01 AM) tippet:   this was a short to me kissback complete created a h&s on 3min /..but well see
(11:01 AM) scorp:   but, here is a good example of one of my problems
(11:01 AM) jimbo_320:   down again
(11:01 AM) scorp:   i noticed taht a short was developing
(11:02 AM) scorp:   took it; and only grabbed 1.5 points
(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364:   please continue posting scorp
(11:02 AM) Tom_B:   I think 1 or 2 high prob setups with the discipline to execute is all u need to survive in 
this....they are on da site...google's stuff is great I just try to keep setups simple within the other stuff i do 
(11:02 AM) scorp:   it was gone 4 more points after my cover
(11:02 AM) scorp:   nice umbrella on 1M
(11:02 AM) ppusa:   hey Tom
(11:02 AM) Tom_B:   I saw the shrt but I thnk it has limited potential...scalptro...it might be a nice scalp 
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364:   so you could wait for the kissback and reenter
(11:03 AM) jalemany:   scorp, I have the same prob.
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364:   or make that the first trade since some can be a fakeout
(11:03 AM) Tom_B:   not my trde
(11:03 AM) tippet:   hit 50% of move off bottom
(11:04 AM) Tom_B:   I don't know hw mny scalpers hre are really successful, I'm willing to bet a minority...
(11:04 AM) scorp:   umbrellas do pop up once in a while, and are pretty good for 5points
(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364:   only lose scalping if try to do it on a day not really with it tom
(11:05 AM) ppusa:   Tommy B.....what did you see that prompted your short? Just a falling maaarket or something 
specific like an ma cross?
(11:05 AM) Tom_B:   I do know a few who do it...just not me...that's ok... I"m reading my Trading in the zone book, 
waiting for nxt setup
(11:06 AM) tomsurf:   TomB- ordered up book yesterday :-)
(11:07 AM) Tom_B:   Buffy IS one of those who merrily goes in & out & grabs the $ :) ...me , my brain too slow 
:)...must be that bridge game keeps her sharp :)
(11:07 AM) Tom_B:   Good TOmS...
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364:   they have proven it helps tom LOL
(11:08 AM) Tom_B:   IT's the best i've seen..
(11:08 AM) ppusa:   Tom did you see my question?
(11:08 AM) Tom_B:   y
(11:08 AM) Tom_B:   1426 was a number
(11:08 AM) p_8:   lol, tom_B, maybe we can have a link to online bridge game site on dachart.com 
so we can play while market in chop, instead of giving the money back
(11:08 AM) Tom_B:   i put this out in the morning
(11:09 AM) ppusa:   just because you have a number that doesn't trigger your short
(11:09 AM) tomsurf:   maybe Howard can have demo Bridge ;-)
(11:09 AM) ppusa:   what was your trigger?
(11:10 AM) Tom_B:   noow i didn't enter at it...but i knew 02 was min and if we took out 11.5 south so i sld 1 at 
15.5....late & another at 10.5 
(11:10 AM) plevin:   Hi all, I (for the most part) just got here. Jessica as not doing well earlier, but she 
is better now, and in school. It sounds like I haven't missed anything.
(11:11 AM) Tom_B:   hi paul
(11:11 AM) ppusa:   so basically just the falling market i guess is what you are saying
(11:11 AM) ppusa:   hi paul
(11:11 AM) plevin:   hi tom & pp
(11:11 AM) plevin:   pp you've calmed down a bit, I hope, since last night :)
(11:11 AM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/Buffy-133T5.gif
(11:11 AM) Buffy_04364:   that shows the flags I played
(11:12 AM) Buffy_04364:   but the arrows said could of done it much earlier
(11:12 AM) ppusa:   yea sorry i get fed up with that stuff
(11:12 AM) Tom_B:   also pp had maj trgt frm yest 26-36 & was looking for a w:4 correction even if trnd to 
continue up...so far yes but don't know
(11:12 AM) Buffy_04364:   smax confirmed bline
(11:12 AM) Buffy_04364:   and indicators confirmed price
(11:13 AM) ppusa:   Tom everyone has the numbers and the trendlines and the waves and the ma's and the this 
and the that but they don't have the conviction to enter.
(11:13 AM) ppusa:   some wait for a trigger like smax
(11:14 AM) Buffy_04364:   early in the morning I trust flags and totally missed the divergence in bline
(11:14 AM) Tom_B:   That's why i sugg the book...it's not abt a new indicator or the latest do-dad..
(11:15 AM) ppusa:   right it's all about entries and exits and having the courage of your conviction
(11:15 AM) ppusa:   something that i am seriously lacking right now
(11:15 AM) Tom_B:   just execute ur plan..if a trdr doesn't know wht they need to see to act, hw can they ?
(11:15 AM) Jimebz:   Tom_B...what is the book u refer to?
(11:15 AM) ppusa:   i can do it with q's but not nq
(11:16 AM) scorp:   pp, you sound like you have a plan, no?
(11:16 AM) Tom_B:   "Trading in the Zone", Mark Dougls
(11:16 AM) Tom_B:   Douglas, avail on Amazon
(11:16 AM) ppusa:   yes i have a plan that works for me. i got short early though at 21 and panicked and i bought 
early at 86 and sold b/e
(11:17 AM) Buffy_04364:   pfg says issue of delayed quotes not fixed and could continue through out 
the day
(11:17 AM) Jimebz:   tx
(11:17 AM) Buffy_04364:   they are not adjusting any trades
(11:17 AM) Tom_B:   See if u position, delayed quotes arn't that imp't :)
(11:18 AM) ppusa:   trying to put the final touches on something that will take the emotion out of futures trading
(11:18 AM) Buffy_04364:   tks for the heads up on esignal being delayed
(11:18 AM) tomsurf:   they are if you're watching chart for entries Tom, lol
(11:18 AM) Buffy_04364:   cme for backup sounds good
(11:18 AM) Tom_B:   :)
(11:19 AM) Tom_B:   92 sme supp hre
(11:19 AM) plevin:   Buffy - did you get links in the PM
(11:19 AM) tippet:   pp when u figure that one out i for one would like to hear it ..and i for one also 
startd reading marks book ..prolly would have kept me short from my 04short
(11:19 AM) Buffy_04364:   y
(11:20 AM) gunmant45:   Try CME MarketSound on their website
(11:20 AM) Tom_B:   PRob I hve I've read the bk many times but it's like Mr. Hyde take sovr during trdng :)
(11:21 AM) pete77_1:   Same here
(11:21 AM) ppusa:   will do Tippet
(11:21 AM) Tom_B:   Like a tunnell vision or something
(11:22 AM) Tom_B:   hmmm
(11:23 AM) tippet:   not a bad short huh
(11:24 AM) Tom_B:   Good shrt...
(11:25 AM) scorp:   now, if i only held that short from 1406.5
(11:25 AM) scorp:   in hindsight, i should have placed a stop above that swing high
(11:26 AM) Tom_B:   I"m NOT a good person for advice but if it's paret of your plan just do it...
(11:27 AM) Tom_B:   Taking that shrt was not part of my plan :)
(11:28 AM) scorp:   i just keep thinking, this is so silly
(11:28 AM) ppusa:   same old thing which trades are gonna run and which are scalps
(11:28 AM) Tom_B:   u notice 88 is imp't # agn 
(11:28 AM) tippet:   hit the 200ema5
(11:29 AM) Tom_B:   good pt tipp
(11:29 AM) tippet:   isalso the 50% from yest hod to mon lod
(11:29 AM) scorp:   84-88 is a volume area
(11:29 AM) scorp:   i have been trying to watch for support/resistance guide
(11:30 AM) scorp:   so 84-88 support area; 1406-1408 is resistance area - just based on volume over the past few 
sessions
(11:30 AM) Tom_B:   This is a correction to yest run (so far) hw far bk (?) cud get to 72 or stop hre...don't know 
..me reading
(11:30 AM) scorp:   not sure it is any help, but does seem to work well
(11:31 AM) scorp:   anyone interested, i can post the link for the numbers
(11:31 AM) tomsurf:   scorp- sure
(11:32 AM) scorp:   http://www.activitybar.homestead.com/Intraday.html
(11:32 AM) Tom_B:   Buffy where is that chart u posted before on arrows, etc ?
(11:32 AM) scorp:   there Tom
(11:33 AM) scorp:   that is the flag one she posted
(11:34 AM) Tom_B:   See it , r thise arrows automatic ?
(11:34 AM) scorp:   i am sure they are her alerts
(11:35 AM) Tom_B:   k
(11:35 AM) scorp:   that is the beta version of ensign
(11:35 AM) ppusa:   head and shoulders developing on hour chart
(11:36 AM) ppusa:   neckline 72 to 25
(11:36 AM) scorp:   ppusa, isn't PnF based on price action?
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364:   it is the beta tom
(11:36 AM) ppusa:   yes scorp
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364:   Howard is shooting for april first
(11:36 AM) Tom_B:   see it...nice job
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364:   hmmm april fools day
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364:   giggle
(11:36 AM) Tom_B:   lol
(11:36 AM) scorp:   see, then to me, if price action is the KEY, then i would think that PnF is an important tool
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364:   no arrows not automatic
(11:36 AM) scorp:   no?
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364:   putthem in to show you what I missed
(11:37 AM) scorp:   oh
(11:37 AM) Tom_B:   Bet writing a little espl wud be "easy"
(11:37 AM) Tom_B:   :)
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364:   paul could most probably program them though
(11:38 AM) scorp:   buffy, are you going to be around tonight?
(11:38 AM) plevin:   sorry was out of room for a sec, program what?
(11:38 AM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/Buffy-133T5.gif
(11:38 AM) Tom_B:   pl, humor
(11:38 AM) Buffy_04364:   arrows paul :-)
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364:   data slow or stopped?
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364:   slow
(11:39 AM) scorp:   bounce off Bline on 1M
(11:39 AM) ppusa:   scorp - PnF in conjunctin with the trend (if one can determine the trend)
(11:39 AM) Tom_B:   smacking computer hre 
(11:39 AM) plevin:   bounce off bline is programmable - np
(11:39 AM) scorp:   1396 is also one of the volume numbers
(11:40 AM) scorp:   looks like resistance coming in at 1394 here
(11:40 AM) Buffy_04364:   we will get to it all sometime paul
(11:41 AM) plevin:   reading between the lines buffy - you are saying "first things first" to which I say, 
amen
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364:   yep :-)
(11:42 AM) plevin:   i'm gonna get "heads down" for 1/2 hr (till I have to take meds to Jess). PM me if 
you need me.
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364:   k
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364:   LS
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364:   any opinions out there?
(11:43 AM) jalemany:   I think the test for today is if the 20 ema on 1 hr holds
(11:43 AM) ppusa:   hey paul
(11:44 AM) tomsurf:   45ema some support so wondering if short has much in it???
(11:44 AM) Tom_B:   Don't hve confirm of dwnside , YET..(remember I'm SLOW) but if it gets going 72 in the 
picture
(11:45 AM) Tom_B:   Might set up bear flag 4 ltr ?
(11:45 AM) Buffy_04364:   tks
(11:45 AM) scorp:   i have no opinion atm
(11:46 AM) Buffy_04364:   still watching here
(11:46 AM) Buffy_04364:   higher low
(11:46 AM) Tom_B:   Really i'm clueless
(11:46 AM) plevin:   just got long entry signal
(11:47 AM) lionsss:   tf plevin?
(11:47 AM) plevin:   1 min
(11:47 AM) Buffy_04364:   1M I believe lioness
(11:47 AM) p_8:   ro4, plevin?
(11:47 AM) BrainStorm:   Im seeing a turn up to 5 min
(11:47 AM) plevin:   ro4 ??
(11:47 AM) Buffy_04364:   nope the program we are working on
(11:47 AM) p_8:   k
(11:49 AM) scorp:   nice trigger there
(11:49 AM) p_8:   i think that was ro4, can anyone confirm?
(11:49 AM) Buffy_04364:   yep going to use an either or stop too which should help 
(11:49 AM) Buffy_04364:   paul doing that now
(11:49 AM) Tom_B:   RO4 wht TF ?
(11:50 AM) Buffy_04364:   hopefully get it done so enough using it to give howard priority on espl 
work
(11:50 AM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(11:50 AM) Tom_B:   p-8 ?
(11:50 AM) p_8:   1min
(11:50 AM) Tom_B:   k
(11:50 AM) Buffy_04364:   2nd hill? 133T
(11:51 AM) Tom_B:   Guess so
(11:51 AM) Tom_B:   vry shrt though
(11:51 AM) tippet:   see it on 3 and 5min but into emas(and two kisses very close)
(11:51 AM) BrainStorm:   out of long +2.5 looking for immediate re-entry
(11:51 AM) Buffy_04364:   we were together on that one brain :-)
(11:51 AM) scorp:   lol, +1
(11:52 AM) ppusa:   hey high of this hour
(11:52 AM) ppusa:   ????
(11:53 AM) prakso3:   good morning - is anyone of you trading despite the CME data delay ??
(11:53 AM) scorp:   data seems to be ok for now
(11:53 AM) Buffy_04364:   yep did a bit of tape reading and fills not what expected always
(11:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   anyone see a problem now comparing with cme
(11:54 AM) scorp:   no
(11:54 AM) Buffy_04364:   tks scorp
(11:54 AM) prakso3:   buffy - how do you compare with CME// thx
(11:54 AM) scorp:   second higher low?
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364:   maybe
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364:   treating like a flag as pyr trend still down
(11:55 AM) scorp:   then again, maybe not
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364:   I can't
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364:   others can as they have cme data as backup
(11:56 AM) Buffy_04364:   I just know esignal not behind that I can see to broker now
(11:59 AM) Buffy_04364:   1383.94 bos
(12:01 PM) FrankT:   Successful test on ES
(12:01 PM) Buffy_04364:   flat
(12:02 PM) ppusa:   low of this hour
(12:02 PM) tomsurf:   1387= 45min ema so out now
(12:02 PM) tomsurf:   sox made new low though
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364:   k
(12:03 PM) ppusa:   es looks like lower
(12:03 PM) tippet:   SOX breaks up trend line
(12:03 PM) ppusa:   i am in sell mode as i have defined the trend
(12:05 PM) prakso3:   tippet - what tf on SOX - up trend line which EMA please - thx
(12:05 PM) Buffy_04364:   fighting to hold onhere
(12:05 PM) Tom_B:   stp B/E..not exactly my trde
(12:06 PM) tippet:   prasko have the 5min chart up of sox w/20ema 
(12:06 PM) ppusa:   i wold expect scalpeteria still
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364:   have divergence on those lows 
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364:   brb
(12:06 PM) Tom_B:   imp't test hre
(12:07 PM) ppusa:   nq daily needs a higher low
(12:07 PM) jalemany:   3rd test of 1 hr 20 ema
(12:07 PM) Tom_B:   out B/E
(12:08 PM) tippet:   anyone following rising wedge on dow...got poke yesterday today... test Don 
Sew last night talked about how could give a sell signal ( or break out...)
(12:08 PM) tippet:   daily
(12:10 PM) tippet:   just realized as well ndx at hod did a kissback to the broken trendline coming off 
the sept lows
(12:11 PM) Buffy_04364:   tks
(12:14 PM) ppusa:   tippet i hate that word kissback
(12:15 PM) tomsurf:   is there a kissfront ;-)
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   what does T call them
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   LOL
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   :-0
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(12:15 PM) ppusa:   :)
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   whoops
(12:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   so what is it doing
(12:15 PM) tippet:   kissback kissback kissback kissback kissback kissbacks kissback kissback
(12:15 PM) ppusa:   wwwaaahhhhhhh
(12:15 PM) ppusa:   hour low
(12:16 PM) tomsurf:   tip- lol ;-)
(12:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   taggedtps
(12:16 PM) Tom_B:   lng
(12:16 PM) tippet:   RO 4 15 min break here...
(12:16 PM) tippet:   ?
(12:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   tls
(12:17 PM) ppusa:   this is just a kissback because they knew everyone would put their stop there
(12:17 PM) tippet:   credit is to p8 if it goes and if it doesnt well its just a 
(12:17 PM) tippet:   kissback
(12:18 PM) ppusa:   aaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhh
(12:18 PM) prakso3:   ppusa - is that wht you call a "stop run"??
(12:18 PM) ppusa:   that was a kissmy back
(12:19 PM) BrainStorm:   it is prasko...runnning stops or gunning stops
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364:   with 50 ema right there.........waiting
(12:19 PM) ppusa:   needs to test the high of this hour between now and next hour
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364:   20 right there on 5M too
(12:20 PM) tippet:   tough call
(12:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   yep sitting on hands 
(12:20 PM) ppusa:   i am in sell mode but the next hour's high could give sideways until
(12:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   promised myself wouldn't force anything like I did twice yesterday
(12:20 PM) scorp:   me too 
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364:   winding up for something here
(12:21 PM) Tom_B:   lng 90, stp 84.5...also might be early, grrr
(12:21 PM) tippet:   the pattern on the 15 looks like a falling wedge if you were convinced of the 
eventual upside this is where u'd be thinking long
(12:22 PM) Buffy_04364:   long "looks" good
(12:22 PM) tippet:   but
(12:22 PM) ppusa:   about to break the 20 on the 5 which would put me at neutral
(12:22 PM) BrainStorm:   guess retro is long here
(12:22 PM) Tom_B:   Agree on but....might tke out morn low need to go sideways hre...i jumped the gun
(12:22 PM) oddplayer:   the question with long...is how far would they take it
(12:23 PM) ppusa:   broke 20 on 5
(12:23 PM) tippet:   u need to stick to your individual plan as u said earlier and this could go up right 
now..
(12:23 PM) Tom_B:   02 i smin hre
(12:23 PM) Buffy_04364:   IMO
(12:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   not real stong here
(12:24 PM) tippet:   ilright buff i'll get in on retrace if it wants to go nuts
(12:24 PM) oddplayer:   I've set yesterday's ES close as resistance
(12:24 PM) Tom_B:   only hve 1 lot if 2 wud take 1 at 02 ish & trail on 2nd...but 
(12:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   might be wrong tippet but how I am playing the game
(12:24 PM) tippet:   im agreeeing
(12:24 PM) ppusa:   looking at es. maybe the range is in for today
(12:25 PM) BrainStorm:   compressing up from the lod 5 min shows it well 
(12:26 PM) oddplayer:   no 3 day gains on the ES since 01/04
(12:27 PM) oddplayer:   maybe today, but ?? no projections
(12:28 PM) tippet:   pp sox doing a big SMOOCH to the broken uptrendline
(12:28 PM) ppusa:   how about retracement
(12:29 PM) ppusa:   new hour starting
(12:29 PM) tippet:   too many letters
(12:30 PM) ppusa:   test has 4 letters
(12:31 PM) Buffy_04364:   is that our retracement tippet?
(12:31 PM) Buffy_04364:   needs to break tos
(12:31 PM) oddplayer:   lol
(12:31 PM) ppusa:   needs a third hump
(12:32 PM) tippet:   not conv here but certainly could be
(12:32 PM) Tom_B:   needs more buyers
(12:32 PM) Buffy_04364:   neither am I tippet
(12:32 PM) Buffy_04364:   feels wrong but nothing concrete that I am noticing
(12:32 PM) Buffy_04364:   tiem for coffee
(12:32 PM) tippet:   i would ve felt better if we went down to at least 62% of move
(12:32 PM) scorp:   staying out for now
(12:33 PM) tippet:   on the 60min chart we could be making a right shoulder of inv h&s... bullish 
scenario
(12:33 PM) Tom_B:   Thnk i'm early but a good spot for a risk, just in case W:4 is complete...don't know yet :)
(12:34 PM) Tom_B:   If we get ovr 1411 agn...(lol) I'll proj new trgts
(12:35 PM) Tom_B:   ON Ell Wave u don't know unti; ur already been there , (lol
(12:35 PM) tippet:   mini cup and handle here
(12:35 PM) tippet:   brk
(12:35 PM) Tom_B:   BUT if this was eow:4 then cud get vry int
(12:35 PM) scorp:   kinda like looking up after a roller coaster ride, only to find out the ride is over?
(12:36 PM) prakso3:   buffy - is 2Min just touching tos now ??
(12:36 PM) Tom_B:   I don't know if i'm on the right ride yet 
(12:36 PM) ppusa:   needs to form a bull or bear flag
(12:36 PM) Tom_B:   pp, wht TF ?
(12:37 PM) tippet:   so far looking good t
(12:37 PM) ppusa:   i was thinking 60 min i guess
(12:38 PM) Tom_B:   All ind hre are NORTH, except don't know if it will rotate dwn agn for test of recent SWL
(12:38 PM) Buffy_04364:   don't have 2M pyra up
(12:38 PM) ppusa:   price is crossing the 20 on the 5 and 15
(12:38 PM) Buffy_04364:   only 4m
(12:38 PM) ppusa:   i think common sense says this is questionable as far as having a meaning.
(12:39 PM) Buffy_04364:   test of 200 and a swing high
(12:39 PM) Buffy_04364:   expanding wedge tippet?
(12:39 PM) Buffy_04364:   3rd hill?
(12:39 PM) tippet:   so far still bullish 
(12:40 PM) cornbread_8:   need a trade
(12:40 PM) oddplayer:   let say a small male calf
(12:40 PM) oddplayer:   with right entry
(12:41 PM) cornbread_8:   i see a sell at 07 75 sp
(12:41 PM) Tom_B:   GO Bulls :)
(12:42 PM) Tom_B:   need to get thru hre
(12:43 PM) Buffy_04364:   price trapped on 1M and 133T
(12:43 PM) Buffy_04364:   watching
(12:43 PM) tippet:   where's the beef
(12:43 PM) ppusa:   62% is?
(12:44 PM) Buffy_04364:   not so sure it is there although pyra thinks it might be
(12:44 PM) Buffy_04364:   what to what pp
(12:44 PM) Buffy_04364:   hard when you just ask for percentage
(12:45 PM) tippet:   this is 50% last move
(12:45 PM) ppusa:   1400 is 62
(12:45 PM) tippet:   62 99.7
(12:45 PM) ppusa:   1397 is 50%
(12:46 PM) Tom_B:   Good res hre
(12:46 PM) Tom_B:   to run or hld ?
(12:47 PM) Tom_B:   plan says hld :)
(12:47 PM) ppusa:   this hour has a new high
(12:47 PM) ppusa:   the low has held
(12:47 PM) tippet:   hitting 38% off hod
(12:47 PM) ppusa:   on the other hand
(12:48 PM) Tom_B:   02 initial trgt
(12:48 PM) Buffy_04364:   just hit tos
(12:48 PM) tippet:   50 is at3.5 and has 200ema15
(12:49 PM) Buffy_04364:   pp your setup coming?
(12:49 PM) Tom_B:   if we tke out 03ish then wil tke out hod, imvho
(12:50 PM) Tom_B:   darn only got 1 on , grrr
(12:50 PM) tippet:   back to the major downtrendline off the 1/09 highs has been violated twice now 
already
(12:51 PM) scorp:   stochs converging to a point on 1M and 2M
(12:51 PM) scorp:   i think of it as the big bang
(12:51 PM) ppusa:   62%
(12:51 PM) ppusa:   6 point PnF says maybe
(12:51 PM) Buffy_04364:   pullback pp?
(12:52 PM) ppusa:   should get a 6 point pb
(12:52 PM) Buffy_04364:   crossed 20 on 15
(12:52 PM) ppusa:   the cross is in Buffy
(12:53 PM) ppusa:   but 6 point says reversal and i may try for it on a test of 02
(12:53 PM) Tom_B:   exited trgt...now willl see if rotates or goes on without me :) +10.5
(12:53 PM) ppusa:   i hate to go short based on one chart
(12:54 PM) tippet:   breaking above the downtrend line here
(12:54 PM) tippet:   sox looks good
(12:54 PM) Tom_B:   grrr
(12:55 PM) ppusa:   it'll come back 
(12:55 PM) ppusa:   faith
(12:55 PM) Tom_B:   Trade location, trde location...
(12:56 PM) ppusa:   tom what was your target?
(12:57 PM) Tom_B:   1st trgt but wud hld with TStp if still lng on sec unit which i don't hve
(12:57 PM) BrainStorm:   04 50%
(12:57 PM) tippet:   just a poke above the trendline and what now
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364:   might get more than 6 pt reversal here
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364:   pp?
(12:57 PM) ppusa:   could
(12:58 PM) ppusa:   no indication 
(12:58 PM) Tom_B:   I don't get my #'s the way most of u do, i'm sure because they're always a bit diff but close 
enough :)
(12:59 PM) BrainStorm:   whats a point or two among friends tom?
(12:59 PM) Tom_B:   Really :)
(12:59 PM) Buffy_04364:   so true brainstorm
(12:59 PM) ppusa:   02 was a swing high
(12:59 PM) Tom_B:   This cud be a shrt but not 4 me :)
(01:00 PM) BrainStorm:   1 lot that fires off a point or 2 low can throw things out a bit
(01:00 PM) BrainStorm:   volume building on this downbar
(01:01 PM) Tom_B:   02 good #
(01:01 PM) Tom_B:   may only be retrace though so ...
(01:02 PM) Tom_B:   I'm so relieved that I know that i hve no idea :)
(01:02 PM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(01:03 PM) ppusa:   Tom when you speak of 2 lots and holding i wold hate to see you give up all these points on a 
simple little reversal but i understand your strategy
(01:03 PM) scorp:   that was a big bang move
(01:04 PM) ppusa:   bear flag??????
(01:04 PM) Tom_B:   I wud be out of 2nd at 96 still +6
(01:04 PM) Tom_B:   +16.5 for 2 instead of 10.5 for 1..
(01:05 PM) ppusa:   or +21
(01:05 PM) ppusa:   and back in here
(01:06 PM) ppusa:   and now a stop at 95
(01:06 PM) Tom_B:   Hrd to watch it slip away but 
(01:06 PM) tippet:   like the inv h&s forming on 60min cant post for some reason ...if we go up
(01:06 PM) Tom_B:   pp r u doing that or is that in the ideal world
(01:06 PM) Tom_B:   ?
(01:06 PM) ppusa:   i do it on the q's when i can
(01:07 PM) Tom_B:   I don't trde Q's, compare apples to apples
(01:07 PM) ppusa:   i was doing it on the futures but lost my 
(01:07 PM) ppusa:   what ever you call it
(01:07 PM) drewtrader:   ....mojo
(01:07 PM) Tom_B:   I'm trying to rebuild my &%#@
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   i told you guys right now the futures have me completely psyched
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   right
(01:08 PM) tippet:   3 humps if ure feeling bearish
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   mojo
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   whatever
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   i basket case
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   anyone sell better than 21 today?
(01:08 PM) Tom_B:   tipp, 3m /
(01:08 PM) ppusa:   anyone buy better than 86 on first dip?
(01:08 PM) scorp:   ahhh, i thought you guys were stable and I was the basketcase
(01:09 PM) tippet:   yes and a big ass triangle on the 5 min
(01:09 PM) scorp:   now i realize i'm at the local psych ward
(01:09 PM) Tom_B:   pp it not whrer it hw much u end the day with... :)
(01:10 PM) tippet:   this could take us down to the lower tline of triangle
(01:10 PM) ppusa:   yes but it shows you have messed up i am right now trading futures
(01:10 PM) ppusa:   have=how
(01:11 PM) Tom_B:   Is this a shrt, or pbk ?
(01:11 PM) tippet:   cracking tline
(01:11 PM) FrankT:   ES looks like a pb
(01:11 PM) Tom_B:   I've got a simple rule , if i don't know , i stay out..
(01:11 PM) tippet:   ur call bline starting down
(01:11 PM) tippet:   trin rising
(01:12 PM) tippet:   sox back to that tline see if it holds
(01:12 PM) FrankT:   NQ looks more twitchy than normal today...
(01:12 PM) Tom_B:   off my #'s it's a shrt but ELL says SO FAR TRND UP..
(01:12 PM) Buffy_04364:   cold be ahort for sure
(01:12 PM) Buffy_04364:   if takes out this shelf
(01:12 PM) tippet:   could easily see this be short and we be in a triangle all day
(01:13 PM) Tom_B:   agree tipp
(01:13 PM) Buffy_04364:   price trapped 133T
(01:13 PM) tippet:   as opposed to big break out or down
(01:13 PM) scorp:   same for 1M
(01:14 PM) tomsurf:   zig-zag dat common after trend day
(01:14 PM) tippet:   mght be a nice day to take adv of this Unseasonably warm weather in new 
englan
(01:15 PM) Tom_B:   do it tipp..went kite flying hre Sunday Snow & cold yest
(01:15 PM) tippet:   over the snow ....humps do there thing
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   was just out on porch in sunshine with sweatshirt only :-)
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   short off shelf
(01:16 PM) scorp:   buffy, thanks for the heads up on the shelf
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   u wlec
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   now lets see if it gets us anything other than be
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(01:17 PM) ppusa:   sweatshirt only......what did the neighbors do?
(01:17 PM) Tom_B:   Hasn't the hmp's hit first trgt ?
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364:   it is warm todya
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364:   LOL
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364:   slow
(01:17 PM) FrankT:   ES retraced 50%
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364:   1391.31 bos wonder if we willhitit
(01:18 PM) scorp:   buffy!
(01:18 PM) scorp:   lol
(01:18 PM) Tom_B:   12:30 1 will tell da tale
(01:19 PM) scorp:   buffy, i already blinked
(01:19 PM) Tom_B:   to 1 cst
(01:20 PM) Tom_B:   I'm looking t lng side
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   smax has divergence heretippet
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   ib formingon 4M
(01:20 PM) Tom_B:   subj to running like a chicken :0
(01:20 PM) ppusa:   another 62% retracement
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364:   flat
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364:   don't trus it
(01:21 PM) scorp:   i got +2 out of that
(01:21 PM) scorp:   much appreciated
(01:21 PM) p_8:   chop zone
(01:22 PM) Tom_B:   GRRR
(01:23 PM) Tom_B:   I am scared :(
(01:24 PM) scorp:   take a walk time?
(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   back in about 30 M
(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   this could be bull flag guys
(01:24 PM) drewtrader:   triangle as big as my mojo on the nq
(01:24 PM) Tom_B:   I WANT to BUY but 
(01:25 PM) Tom_B:   coin toss, xcept trnd still up
(01:26 PM) ppusa:   i gotta add up some profits and seehow far down i am today
(01:27 PM) p_8:   200ema flattening on 15min and smaller time frames, sign of chop zone
(01:28 PM) Tom_B:   Y p8, thnkng need to see some kind of expansion bar or something
(01:29 PM) p_8:   y, or decisive break of the big 5min  triangle 
(01:29 PM) Tom_B:   y
(01:30 PM) Tom_B:   Well, this is like a watermellon seed gonna pop soon
(01:30 PM) Tom_B:   lng
(01:31 PM) Tom_B:   Not nec the brightest move but fits the #'s
(01:33 PM) Tom_B:   if clears 02 then :)
(01:34 PM) p_8:   fake poke?
(01:35 PM) BrainStorm:   5 1 min dojis
(01:36 PM) BrainStorm:   anyone know the url of Jimbos web site ?
(01:40 PM) Tom_B:   GRRR
(01:40 PM) p_8:   tomB, bye 02?
(01:42 PM) tippet:   hello back lil poke of triangle hmm
(01:43 PM) Tom_B:   :)
(01:43 PM) tippet:   cool
(01:45 PM) Tom_B:   res hre...02 shld be supp if good
(01:49 PM) ppusa:   1/2 a point from unchanged
(01:49 PM) tippet:   lookig for poss retrace to triangle before going ballistic... only cause i missed it
(01:50 PM) ppusa:   6 and 10 say possibly a good short
(01:50 PM) tippet:   20ema3 would be right around upper tline
(01:50 PM) ppusa:   that was 6 point
(01:51 PM) Tom_B:   out
(01:51 PM) Tom_B:   b/e
(01:52 PM) ppusa:   sold q's
(01:52 PM) ppusa:   02 area
(01:55 PM) ppusa:   is this the 3 humper ?
(01:56 PM) tippet:   straddle watching both ways
(01:56 PM) Tom_B:   Back in the clueless zone BUT 02 now res if can't take out will lean shrts agnst that othrwise 
up BUT 02 VRY imp't, imvho
(01:57 PM) oddplayer:   I pick down you can have up
(01:58 PM) ppusa:   i am biased daily down but maybe tomorrow. upside breakout daily i think is 
close.......especially if nq makes a new low and comes back
(01:58 PM) ppusa:   need a higher high on the weekly chart
(01:58 PM) ppusa:   next week
(01:58 PM) Tom_B:   shrt
(01:59 PM) oddplayer:   this week is young
(01:59 PM) tippet:   geez
(01:59 PM) ppusa:   90 is my target equivalent
(01:59 PM) ppusa:   to cover
(01:59 PM) ppusa:   expanding triangle
(02:00 PM) oddplayer:   I'm lucky...seem my cable is funcccccccctioning for a while
(02:00 PM) ppusa:   should i go for a new low???
(02:01 PM) ppusa:   es went through the equivalent of 92 area
(02:01 PM) ppusa:   bouncing back
(02:02 PM) oddplayer:   I need a 1100 today...so best wishes
(02:03 PM) ppusa:   out
(02:03 PM) oddplayer:   who
(02:03 PM) oddplayer:   is
(02:03 PM) oddplayer:   on
(02:03 PM) oddplayer:   your
(02:03 PM) oddplayer:   side
(02:03 PM) tomsurf:   odd- don't scroll please
(02:05 PM) ppusa:   we need to talk with google......that was only a 2 humper
(02:06 PM) tippet:   there was a baby hump that didnt commit on bottom
(02:06 PM) tomsurf:   5min shows 3 but the first was a stealth hump ;-)
(02:06 PM) tippet:   stealth didnt touch the line right tom??
(02:07 PM) tippet:   SOX breaking tline
(02:08 PM) ppusa:   i think i recognize that pattern as a repetitive 2 humper 
(02:08 PM) ppusa:   one that i see a lot
(02:08 PM) tomsurf:   right...sorry watching
(02:08 PM) ppusa:   maybe the difference is 3 humps inone leg vs. 2 humps in 2 sseparate legs
(02:09 PM) oddplayer:   sorry....tomS...I'm Asking for a 1100
(02:09 PM) Tom_B:   supp at 87-88 agn..if takes that...
(02:09 PM) ppusa:   yes target area here
(02:10 PM) tippet:   reaction to bushes speech encouraging single welfare mothers to get married
(02:10 PM) oddplayer:   one rule I live by....iuf you don't sak you don't get 
(02:12 PM) tippet:   bottom of triangle has 20ema60 piggybacked
(02:12 PM) Tom_B:   To hld or not... i'm giving this thng a chance to crack
(02:12 PM) p_8:   let's see if 92.5 can become good resistance
(02:13 PM) oddplayer:   2 more hours
(02:13 PM) p_8:   guess ot
(02:13 PM) p_8:   ot=not
(02:15 PM) Tom_B:   lot of supp undr us
(02:16 PM) oddplayer:   myo pinion.......if longs wanted this...they should buy it
(02:17 PM) Tom_B:   i'll prob get stpd
(02:17 PM) tippet:   dead center triangle 
(02:19 PM) Tom_B:   97 stp :)
(02:21 PM) p_8:   chop zone
(02:22 PM) alan123:   back forth inside days usually follow previosu ttrend day---rest day
(02:22 PM) alan123:   chop following trend day is usaul
(02:22 PM) oddplayer:   I should keep my Ass h??E to myself.....bitch at me later
(02:23 PM) tippet:   SOX getts a retrace to trendlne now lower
(02:23 PM) Tom_B:   anybody shw a high of 97 on last 15m bar ?
(02:24 PM) tippet:   y
(02:24 PM) alan123:   loook at sox and 96 day average to see something-------------
(02:24 PM) p_8:   96.5 tom
(02:24 PM) alan123:   very interesting 96day avg of sox
(02:24 PM) tippet:   post a chart alan
(02:24 PM) tomsurf:   same here Tom
(02:25 PM) Tom_B:   Tnx...stpd anyway :)
(02:26 PM) Tom_B:   I got 96.5 also but my fill @ 97 came bk... Hmmmm
(02:27 PM) p_8:   call IB immediately
(02:28 PM) p_8:   if u use IB
(02:28 PM) alan123:   why?
(02:29 PM) Tom_B:   wud be gone now anyway...wunder what happened ?
(02:29 PM) p_8:   they won't do anything if u wait too long
(02:29 PM) p_8:   u
(02:29 PM) p_8:   y
(02:29 PM) alan123:   what is a good bacup for ib?
(02:30 PM) tippet:   hmm no 97 on t&s around then... if that helps
(02:30 PM) Tom_B:   y, tnx...
(02:30 PM) Tom_B:   anybody got a clue hre ?
(02:31 PM) oddplayer:   long is wrong...
(02:31 PM) ppusa:   just went short
(02:31 PM) tippet:   inthe triangle didnt touch ther lower t line ema 's flat
(02:31 PM) Tom_B:   good spot 4 shrt
(02:32 PM) ppusa:   6 point has the type of signal that if this sells off should get a nice drop
(02:32 PM) tippet:   15min chart the 20,200 and 40 all flat
(02:32 PM) Tom_B:   pp, i thnk ur out before u get in
(02:32 PM) oddplayer:   can I trade w/ 1 eye open????????
(02:33 PM) oddplayer:   of course I can
(02:33 PM) Tom_B:   pp that was a good spot
(02:33 PM) BrainStorm:   scalp from each side of the chop I guess
(02:33 PM) tomsurf:   tip- yep w/flat ma's I'll sit till some sorta move develops
(02:33 PM) ppusa:   Tom i need to work into this slowly
(02:33 PM) tippet:   same
(02:33 PM) Tom_B:   i'm not any good at scalp but i see 6 pts
(02:33 PM) ppusa:   there weree a lot better setups than this today and i have to choose this one
(02:33 PM) oddplayer:   O....I'm holding for 11000...aaaaanyone remember?
(02:34 PM) tomsurf:   not a real bband ping-pong player myself
(02:34 PM) ppusa:   haha
(02:34 PM) Tom_B:   me neither...I'm vry plsed with myslef 5 trdes 1 2.5 pt loser...
(02:35 PM) tippet:   anyone watch obv as an indicator
(02:35 PM) BrainStorm:   figure if you can perfect it you should be able to position on oposite side of band for 
break out...means zero risk on thebreakout itself
(02:35 PM) tomsurf:   TomB...needed 6 and scalping a good way to end up needing 12
(02:35 PM) Tom_B:   TomS ?
(02:36 PM) ppusa:   Tom i see 6 from higher 
(02:36 PM) tomsurf:   lol, if I have to resort to scalping to get a few pts. I usually end up forcing trds 
and lose more ;-)
(02:36 PM) ppusa:   wait nevermind
(02:37 PM) tomsurf:   TomB....nevermind, I missread your comment...geez
(02:37 PM) Tom_B:   Y Tom...me too...For me with fewer trades I get less chances to mess up...so fewer errors or 
practice of bad habits
(02:37 PM) tomsurf:   ok, we're back on track, lol
(02:38 PM) BrainStorm:   volume poor
(02:38 PM) Tom_B:   :)
(02:39 PM) Tom_B:   or turn the computer off
(02:40 PM) Tom_B:   grrr
(02:40 PM) alan123:   ib charges 5 dollars rt but i need reliable bavck up broker
(02:41 PM) Tom_B:   Best
(02:41 PM) drewtrader:   afffllllaaaack
(02:41 PM) ppusa:   3 humper
(02:41 PM) ppusa:   aaaaaafffffffffflllllllaackkkkk
(02:41 PM) tomsurf:   alan- Buffy sure likes her PFG Best
(02:41 PM) tippet:   cant u trade pfg like all day night
(02:41 PM) alan123:   ty tom i now remeber her saying
(02:42 PM) tippet:   so triangle brk real or not??
(02:42 PM) BrainStorm:   thats what I use though re-badged as proptrader
(02:42 PM) Tom_B:   I don't hve a clue
(02:42 PM) jalemany:   same thing
(02:42 PM) tippet:   es bust a move
(02:43 PM) tomsurf:   tick and trin say up
(02:43 PM) Tom_B:   gotta watch 02 agn
(02:44 PM) Tom_B:   02-7
(02:45 PM) Tom_B:   Seems like u gotta brkt this thing..
(02:45 PM) ppusa:   3 humper
(02:45 PM) tomsurf:   pp 3 on what TF??????
(02:46 PM) ppusa:   1 min
(02:46 PM) Tom_B:   lng
(02:46 PM) ppusa:   need another 6 point reversal but sometimes this is the one that runs
(02:46 PM) tomsurf:   k thx
(02:46 PM) scorp:   i see it
(02:46 PM) scorp:   nice
(02:46 PM) scorp:   this is too early for a run anyway
(02:47 PM) ppusa:   see what?
(02:47 PM) JfGirard:   sorry
(02:47 PM) JfGirard:   :)
(02:47 PM) scorp:   the three humps
(02:48 PM) scorp:   its on 3M chart too
(02:48 PM) JfGirard:   anyone see nq in subminuette wave 3 of wave 1
(02:48 PM) ppusa:   until it rolls over it's not complete
(02:48 PM) ppusa:   now a 4 humper
(02:51 PM) tomsurf:   scorp- googs mentioned that she prfers to see 3himps on a 3min chart, with 
them taking up 20 bars...60min to be most reliable. May work on shorter but notas high a 
probablity
(02:52 PM) tippet:   have a3min rising wedge
(02:52 PM) ppusa:   6 point on the way
(02:54 PM) ppusa:   6 point rally i guess
(02:55 PM) ppusa:   little gartley 1 min
(02:56 PM) ppusa:   haven't seen one of them in awhile
(02:56 PM) Tom_B:   stp 97.5
(02:57 PM) BrainStorm:   savage pullbacks ...wiggled out
(02:57 PM) tippet:   humps complete?.. got poke out of wedge now down... d top es nq... 
(02:58 PM) ppusa:   6 point reversed.......anything can happen
(02:58 PM) ppusa:   range trading
(02:59 PM) Tom_B:   grrr
(03:00 PM) tippet:   grrrr? arent u long
(03:01 PM) jalemany:   charts still lagging price
(03:01 PM) tomsurf:   Tom just trying to scare the market up ;-)
(03:01 PM) Tom_B:   y, but hvng prob hre 
(03:01 PM) Tom_B:   trailing stp, biting nails
(03:02 PM) BrainStorm:   jalemany they seem pretty close charts where 1 sec ahead for me on that lastmove up
(03:03 PM) jalemany:   thx, I think mine were lagging by a bit. but not sure
(03:03 PM) ppusa:   stop runner
(03:04 PM) BrainStorm:   09 = 68%
(03:05 PM) tippet:   62%
(03:05 PM) ppusa:   oh by the way those 20 contracts i sold yesterday on paper i covered at 88
(03:07 PM) tippet:   hitting my trendlne on 144t
(03:07 PM) Tom_B:   hit top of BB on 15m on last push
(03:09 PM) tippet:   hmmmm
(03:11 PM) Tom_B:   not doing this, but aggress add hre
(03:12 PM) tippet:   we are gooing up to this inv h&s on 60 min old chart posted
(03:12 PM) tippet:   #13
(03:12 PM) FrankT:   looks hyperbolic here
(03:13 PM) tippet:   79% day
(03:13 PM) tomsurf:   may end up testing todays high?
(03:14 PM) Tom_B:   hve 26-36 , which i'll whittle dwn then poss 41
(03:15 PM) Tom_B:   of course, caveat emptor
(03:16 PM) ppusa:   looking overbought
(03:17 PM) ppusa:   don't know if i have the nerve to sell this 
(03:18 PM) Buffy_04364:   bk
(03:19 PM) Tom_B:   This is the hrd part to sit thru rotations
(03:19 PM) tippet:   see a selldiver anywhere ...bounce off neckline?? 
(03:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   ntohing here
(03:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   but tempting
(03:20 PM) tippet:   like long and out of this h&s
(03:20 PM) prakso3:   tippet - on what tf do you see that h+s - thx
(03:20 PM) ppusa:   i have buy signals
(03:21 PM) Tom_B:   In W;3's on all TF's
(03:21 PM) Tom_B:   shrt trm
(03:21 PM) ppusa:   probably not a good idea to sell into them
(03:21 PM) tippet:   60min 
(03:21 PM) Tom_B:   can't sell
(03:21 PM) Tom_B:   just trailing stp :0
(03:22 PM) ppusa:   tempting
(03:22 PM) BrainStorm:   personaly wouldnt short till I saw a failure to make a higher high
(03:23 PM) ppusa:   you know me.......mr. predict
(03:23 PM) BrainStorm:   lol aye
(03:23 PM) Buffy_04364:   well I went short on umbrella 
(03:23 PM) BrainStorm:   looks like it may be a good call
(03:23 PM) ppusa:   this is showing up on PnF
(03:23 PM) tippet:   revised inv h&s chart posted
(03:23 PM) Tom_B:   out
(03:23 PM) Tom_B:   retrace looks too good
(03:23 PM) Buffy_04364:   flat also for 3
(03:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   stillls though
(03:24 PM) ppusa:   i sold some q's
(03:24 PM) Tom_B:   +143
(03:24 PM) ppusa:   get back in tomorrow or?
(03:24 PM) Tom_B:   i wish +14
(03:24 PM) tippet:   brk trndline on 144t
(03:24 PM) Tom_B:   lol
(03:25 PM) Tom_B:   Good Buffy...something for everyone :)
(03:25 PM) Buffy_04364:   was gone for the long :-(
(03:25 PM) BrainStorm:   I was flat so not me who was your paymaster
(03:27 PM) Buffy_04364:   long would not be good imo with umbrella there on bline
(03:27 PM) Tom_B:   Don't know umbella :(
(03:27 PM) tomsurf:   I musta missed the umbrella talk
(03:28 PM) alan123:   grail?
(03:28 PM) BrainStorm:   sadly missed them all... I'll have to wait till buffy publishes the book :)
(03:28 PM) Buffy_04364:   it is when the bline forms a curve over the stoch high/low
(03:28 PM) alan123:   grail buy 20ema
(03:28 PM) ppusa:   maybe goodlong from unch
(03:29 PM) Tom_B:   still in w:3's up on shrtr TF's so i look to buy if i can detect when darn W:4 is ovr 
(03:30 PM) Buffy_04364:   it has played out now
(03:31 PM) brach:   let's not have any of that Elliott talk
(03:31 PM) tomsurf:   brach- lol
(03:31 PM) brach:   lol
(03:31 PM) ppusa:   like to see a pb to 1400 area
(03:32 PM) Tom_B:   lng 1413.5 , stp 09
(03:32 PM) Tom_B:   hi brach
(03:32 PM) brach:   hi Tom
(03:32 PM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-03/Buffy-umbrella35.gif
(03:33 PM) drewtrader:   is that rain drops on the chart
(03:34 PM) scorp:   depending on what happens, we could get a good umbrella on 2M
(03:34 PM) scorp:   waiting tho
(03:35 PM) Buffy_04364:   lol drew
(03:35 PM) drewtrader:   sorry not familiar with tirminology
(03:35 PM) Buffy_04364:   np
(03:36 PM) Buffy_04364:   how much we giving back on this pp?
(03:36 PM) Buffy_04364:   or anyone
(03:36 PM) Buffy_04364:   1406.08 is bos
(03:37 PM) BrainStorm:   62% is right here...going through it looks like
(03:37 PM) Tom_B:   -4.5
(03:37 PM) Tom_B:   grrr
(03:37 PM) Tom_B:   too soon
(03:37 PM) BrainStorm:   tom your stop was a point below the low about 10 mins ago ?
(03:38 PM) p_8:   fading grail buy
(03:38 PM) Tom_B:   y...i try to give it room... 
(03:39 PM) BrainStorm:   38% of last swing (5min) at 07...looks like holding
(03:39 PM) Tom_B:   I use diff numbers i project...sometime 1m 35ema
(03:40 PM) tippet:   h &s top 
(03:40 PM) BrainStorm:   and pulling them up too quickly I think too
(03:40 PM) Tom_B:   I definitely misread that W:4 in the shrt TFrame Bot the B wave retace bk up...shame on me
(03:41 PM) Buffy_04364:   no vol?
(03:41 PM) Buffy_04364:   this a self?
(03:41 PM) Buffy_04364:   shelf
(03:41 PM) ppusa:   covered the short q's
(03:42 PM) BrainStorm:   notice the pivot for the upswing after the morning big sel off was about here too
(03:42 PM) Buffy_04364:   sideways strongerthan retracement ifit is
(03:42 PM) ppusa:   i called that short.....i took it..........
(03:42 PM) Tom_B:   We're in a neutral zone , to me but still like the upside if it sets up , otherwise prob done, late 
(03:43 PM) ppusa:   edone here
(03:43 PM) BrainStorm:   upside to me only a 38% retrace of last push up 
(03:43 PM) Buffy_04364:   tks guys hadn't noticed the time
(03:43 PM) ppusa:   this should drop a bit more before up
(03:43 PM) Buffy_04364:   pyra says down should be it
(03:43 PM) BrainStorm:   hehe thats cause you had half the day off :-)
(03:43 PM) ppusa:   1404ish
(03:43 PM) Buffy_04364:   LOL
(03:44 PM) tomsurf:   lol, me either
(03:44 PM) Buffy_04364:   tks pp
(03:44 PM) BrainStorm:   if Im long just go short you'll do fine 
(03:45 PM) BrainStorm:   03 next point down 50%
(03:45 PM) Buffy_04364:   shelves and flags are my favorites I think
(03:45 PM) Buffy_04364:   tks you 2 tom
(03:45 PM) BrainStorm:   bye tom
(03:46 PM) tippet:   see ya tom
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364:   bouncing off 200 on 133T
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364:   and 1M
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364:   it this doesn't hold it could get ugly bline below 20 up to 133T
(03:50 PM) ppusa:   looks like that scalp turned into a rout
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364:   ?
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364:   flat and waiting for this test
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364:   price trapped
(03:57 PM) Buffy_04364:   it is good for some yes
(03:57 PM) brach:   it is incredible
(03:57 PM) Buffy_04364:   some follow it in here
(03:58 PM) Sunburst90:   do others have a lot of problems with it?
(03:58 PM) brach:   only the incredulous
(03:58 PM) Sunburst90:   brach...how many points did you get today?
(03:58 PM) brach:   and the point of your question?
(03:59 PM) Buffy_04364:   ?
(03:59 PM) Sunburst90:   just to get an idea ...I saw that Jimmer said it should average 1.3 times the days range
(03:59 PM) Buffy_04364:   that is a good statement
(03:59 PM) brach:   i don't follow SMAX
(03:59 PM) Sunburst90:   I see
(03:59 PM) brach:   it's a fantastic statement
(04:00 PM) Sunburst90:   who in here does follow SMAX?
(04:00 PM) brach:   many of us follow similar systems based on crossovers of MAs, stochs, etc.
(04:01 PM) tippet:   hey brach thanks for the charts sunday they were spot on
(04:01 PM) Sunburst90:   Understand
(04:01 PM) brach:   tks, tippet. tell that to ppusa
(04:01 PM) Sunburst90:   buffy do you trade SMAX?
(04:01 PM) Buffy_04364:   smax is good if stay with trend unless obvious reversal has taken place imo
(04:02 PM) Buffy_04364:   I trade bline but have smax on charts also
(04:02 PM) Buffy_04364:   can answer most ? about it
(04:02 PM) Sunburst90:   OK...I will have to watch it a few days and possibly can gets some past days trades to 
examine
(04:03 PM) Buffy_04364:   k
(04:03 PM) Sunburst90:   tkx
(04:04 PM) BrainStorm:   a question to the room
(04:04 PM) Buffy_04364:   if I can't answer we will find someone who can
(04:04 PM) Buffy_04364:   :-)
(04:04 PM) Sunburst90:   ok great
(04:04 PM) BrainStorm:   Im gonna spend some time doing thetrading exercise in trading in the zone...
(04:04 PM) Buffy_04364:   ok
(04:05 PM) BrainStorm:   Im agonising over a system to use
(04:05 PM) ppusa:   did anyone take that short at the retest of HOD???? 
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364:   why not use a price pattern like flags or something
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364:   let me look pp
(04:05 PM) tippet:   pp? actually idid and got shook out 
(04:05 PM) tippet:   instead of waiting for the retest 
(04:05 PM) ppusa:   on the retest?
(04:05 PM) ppusa:   sorry to hear that
(04:06 PM) BrainStorm:   I was thinking chimp cross maybe but stops are not tight enough for me
(04:06 PM) tippet:   the 15:34 bar high 
(04:06 PM) brach:   pp, believe it or not, some of us spotted the short independtly
(04:06 PM) p_8:   brainstorm, pick one that u most comfortable with and have most confidence
(04:06 PM) prakso3:   ppusa - not exactly but I sold at 09 - stopped out at 07 - did not have the guts for a bigger 
stop 
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(04:06 PM) ppusa:   nice to see some tried
(04:07 PM) Dotcoza:   Hi Buffy sorry to intrude , how do I send an image of my charts to Ensign? please can you tel me.
(04:07 PM) Buffy_04364:   off high was one for me 
(04:07 PM) tippet:   u holding short q's
(04:07 PM) Buffy_04364:   off retest another
(04:07 PM) BrainStorm:   yah P-8 problem is Im not sure Im completely confident in mechanical systems at all
(04:07 PM) Buffy_04364:   or to our website
(04:08 PM) Dotcoza:   Yes
(04:08 PM) p_8:   doesn't have to be mechanical, just any system that you know have given u good 
win probability
(04:09 PM) ppusa:   brach how long do you want to snivle at each other
(04:09 PM) Dotcoza:   Buffy found what I needed to know...
(04:09 PM) Buffy_04364:   doc here is the link to tell you all about it
(04:09 PM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.ensignsoftware.com/class/10-24-01.htm
(04:09 PM) Dotcoza:   Thanx
(04:09 PM) Buffy_04364:   u welc
(04:10 PM) Buffy_04364:   he included some great screen shots in that class
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/Ensign-1.gif
(04:12 PM) Buffy_04364:   howard has been busy again :-)
(04:12 PM) BrainStorm:   nice looks are very important...liked raven quote a lot cause it was very 'pretty'
(04:13 PM) jimbo_320:   very weak close
(04:13 PM) brach:   ppusa, how long would you like?
(04:14 PM) tomsurf:   Brain, been looking at it on 3min ;-)
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364:   enough is enough guys
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364:   she is with google now I think
(04:15 PM) drewtrader:   who
(04:15 PM) Buffy_04364:   pp and brach
(04:16 PM) BrainStorm:   I was thinking of using that for my 'trading in the zone' exercise
(04:16 PM) BrainStorm:   just not happy with the large stops
(04:16 PM) drewtrader:   is google in this room his charts look good
(04:16 PM) Buffy_04364:   her
(04:17 PM) Buffy_04364:   no she has started her own room
(04:17 PM) drewtrader:   which one
(04:17 PM) tomsurf:   Brain, I don't use chimp 166pt stops, lol
(04:17 PM) tomsurf:   opps 16 pt or whatever
(04:17 PM) brach:   tomsurf, chimp works better without stops
(04:18 PM) tomsurf:   brach- thx ;-) think I might be alittle afraid of that right now though.
(04:18 PM) brach:   ..but you need nerves of steel and a strong heart
(04:19 PM) brach:   .. and a big enuf acct. to handle the drawdowns
(04:20 PM) BrainStorm:   yes thats what puts me off
(04:20 PM) TheBigD:   what is google's room called?
(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364:   don't know
(04:20 PM) BrainStorm:   I dont really wanna trade t to make money ...its to do an exercise thats in douglas' book 
(04:21 PM) Buffy_04364:   do you know name of it?
(04:21 PM) p_8:   Brainstorm, u can always trade using simbroker first.
(04:21 PM) tomsurf:   no
(04:22 PM) Buffy_04364:   k
(04:22 PM) p_8:   if u use ensign, brainstorm.
(04:22 PM) BrainStorm:   id rather do it for real P_8 
(04:23 PM) p_8:   k
(04:23 PM) BrainStorm:   I think will be more effective for real
(04:23 PM) p_8:   y, because your emotion is really get "exercised"
(04:24 PM) BrainStorm:   yes but I feel I need a system i have confidence in or wil be counter productive
(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364:   true
(04:24 PM) p_8:   that is key
(04:25 PM) p_8:   you may want to checkout some sytem from street smart or trendvue
(04:25 PM) p_8:   they are pretty simple
(04:25 PM) p_8:   pick one that u most comfortable with
(04:26 PM) BrainStorm:   I want one with small risk really that generates a lots of signals...should work quicker 
then :-)
(04:26 PM) Buffy_04364:   sorry can't help but I use price action with my system giving the clues of 
which way to go - not used for actual entries/exits
(04:26 PM) tomsurf:   Brain, what I've been doing is running chimp ma's and modified template along 
with Bline.
(04:26 PM) brach:   many system work well for getting you in to a trade, but leave the exit to your discrection (e.g., trailing 
stops)
(04:26 PM) BrainStorm:   I figured Bline would be a great filter but not really got my head round it yet
(04:26 PM) tomsurf:   still working on it but looks good so far
(04:26 PM) Buffy_04364:   your trading cocktail :-)
(04:27 PM) tomsurf:   LOL
(04:27 PM) p_8:   y brach, exit is the most challenging, and important, i think
(04:27 PM) tomsurf:   just can't get away from the ole Bline
(04:27 PM) BrainStorm:   I was thinking of using a simple volatility stop they work pretty good
(04:27 PM) brach:   i find that trendlines work quite wel
(04:28 PM) BrainStorm:   in fact most days you can flip of a volatility stop and still show a good profit
(04:28 PM) BrainStorm:   Joe Ross has an offset by 3 3minMA
(04:28 PM) BrainStorm:   that seems to be good and nice and tight too
(04:30 PM) BrainStorm:   nice thing is that with ensighn you can program it up to give clear signals so you can 
concentrate on execution
(04:30 PM) p_8:   brainstorm, i never tried it but retrotrader seems to be pretty good, any one using 
it?
(04:30 PM) BrainStorm:   Retro seems VERY good but the stops are complicated
(04:30 PM) BrainStorm:   have to look for 2bs 1-2-3s and stuff 
(04:31 PM) BrainStorm:   guess you have 5 mins to do it though
(04:31 PM) jimbo_320:   they are a nightmare to program- beleive me i have tried
(04:31 PM) BrainStorm:   is dave still running it...hes not posting results anymore but I was very impressed
(04:32 PM) BrainStorm:   2b is pretty easy scan back to the last but 1 swing high if the price drops below you are 
out
(04:32 PM) tomsurf:   dave b- used retro for some time and did very nicely
(04:32 PM) BrainStorm:   guess he's away at the moment or we could ask him
(04:33 PM) BrainStorm:   5 point stop isnt do hard to accept either
(04:33 PM) BrainStorm:   maybe I'll try retro.. I liked DB's sliding 15 min entry idea too
(04:34 PM) jimbo_320:   retro is good when risk/reward ratio is good
(04:34 PM) BrainStorm:   rather than wait for a break out of a 15 min bar enter on the break out of the last 3 5 min 
bars
(04:36 PM) BrainStorm:   I'll re-read retro rules in the morning I got to the stage where I was pretty comfortable 
with the signlas a while back
(04:37 PM) BrainStorm:   supper for me ...later thanks for all your ideas
(04:37 PM) Buffy_04364:   p_8 retro is based alot on price action
(04:37 PM) p_8:   y
(04:39 PM) p_8:   curious how it performs in the past few months when daily ATRs have been 
shrinking
(04:39 PM) BrainStorm:   poorer I would guess
(04:40 PM) scorp:   http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2002-02-26/scorp11.jpg
(04:41 PM) BrainStorm:   thats for what scorp ?
(04:41 PM) scorp:   trade results
(04:41 PM) p_8:   nice scorp, how did u do that, ESPL?
(04:42 PM) scorp:   that's not mine
(04:45 PM) prakso3:   buffy - what does a outside /inside bar actually tell you // ?? are you using the ensign tool 
for showing them ??