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(09:23 AM) Tom_B:
GM all
(09:23 AM) tippet:
Raz - managed to get the 60min nq chart posted that shows the trendline offf the 1/09 hi
(09:25 AM) tippet:
wea re at the 62% retrace of afternoon drop-79% would be 82
(09:26 AM) Bob Cole:
Good morning
(09:31 AM) tippet:
bounce off yest lower channel line
(09:34 AM) Dotcoza:
Hi everyone
(09:35 AM) dave_b_quik:
hi all
(09:40 AM) ppusa:
might be a short here if it turns good sell sig PnF
(09:41 AM) ppusa:
IF
(09:41 AM) ppusa:
otherwise rule of 4
(09:43 AM) tippet:
trendline right above eh?86
(09:43 AM) ppusa:
es is doing nothing
(09:44 AM) ppusa:
new low es
(09:44 AM) ppusa:
sorry double bottom
(09:45 AM) Tom_B:
shrt
(09:45 AM) ppusa:
now new low
(09:46 AM) raz_62:
yuck
(09:47 AM) ppusa:
sp looks like it wants to turn up
(09:47 AM) raz_62:
tried one of those anticipation smax trades -5
(09:48 AM) Mr S and P:
1485.00 buy stop
(09:48 AM) raz_62:
tom still short?
(09:49 AM) Tom_B:
y, but not happy
(09:49 AM) Tom_B:
stp 84.5
(09:50 AM) Tom_B:
close
(09:51 AM) Tom_B:
grrr
(09:51 AM) Mr S and P:
target 88.50
(09:51 AM) raz_62:
dont feel bad i stopped out and got back in
(09:52 AM) Mr S and P:
cashing some at 88.50
(09:53 AM) Mr S and P:
1483.00 prot stop on rest
(09:53 AM) raz_62:
-5 again
(09:54 AM) Tom_B:
hve wild shot to 1505, grrr
(09:54 AM) Mr S and P:
next target 1496.00
(09:54 AM) tippet:
rule of 4
(09:54 AM) Tom_B:
94.5-96 is nxt
(09:55 AM) tippet:
00 is 50% 1/24hi
(09:55 AM) ppusa:
well unless yesterday's low goes it's up
(09:56 AM) tippet:
top of yest channel?
(09:56 AM) raz_62:
what does that mean
(09:56 AM) Mr S and P:
prot stops moved to 1489.00
(09:56 AM) Mr S and P:
96 target
(09:56 AM) raz_62:
if it dont drop 30 points it didnt drop 30 points
(09:58 AM) Tom_B:
mr sp, that last 1 pt is the toughest :)
(09:58 AM) ppusa:
well i was wondering if i should sell the q's i have been in or hold them
(10:00 AM) raz_62:
when did you buy q's I must have missed that
(10:02 AM) ppusa:
been in and out for more than a week
(10:03 AM) ppusa:
trading against the position
(10:04 AM) Mr S and P:
stop hit 1489.00 t+7 on three +4 on 2 = +11 total flat now
(10:04 AM) Mr S and P:
95.50 buy stop
(10:04 AM) Tom_B:
little lng scalp trd
(10:05 AM) ppusa:
sold them
(10:05 AM) tippet:
lower hi?
(10:06 AM) Tom_B:
out
(10:06 AM) ppusa:
some PnF is overbought
(10:06 AM) ppusa:
see how it all shapes up
(10:07 AM) Mr S and P:
straight cancel buy order
(10:08 AM) ppusa:
anyone see a reason to go short?
(10:09 AM) ppusa:
i have ma's still trending up
(10:09 AM) dave_b_quik:
right on support from daily and 60m down trenline and yd HOD, could go either way
(10:09 AM) Mr S and P:
possible target 1501 off daily chart several days ago high stops there
(10:09 AM) Tom_B:
see pbk 4 another push
(10:09 AM) p_8:
yesterday HOD is still holding, so won't short yet..
(10:10 AM) Tom_B:
proj 1505 4 poss trgt...
(10:10 AM) ppusa:
holding?
(10:10 AM) ppusa:
meaning above it
(10:10 AM) p_8:
y
(10:10 AM) Mr S and P:
1493.50 buy stop
(10:10 AM) ppusa:
gotcha
(10:10 AM) QSuzy:
macd signals on 7min and 5min still positive....
(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364:
flag?
(10:11 AM) ppusa:
not sure buffy
(10:11 AM) ppusa:
i was thinking it was but have doubts on this one
(10:12 AM) ppusa:
it would look good if this turned into an outside down day
(10:12 AM) dave_b_quik:
is raz talking? i don't hear a thing
(10:12 AM) ppusa:
hear nothing here
(10:12 AM) Mr S and P:
11494.00 can replace buy stop
(10:12 AM) Buffy_04364:
your are right pp could go either way
(10:13 AM) ppusa:
i do not
(10:13 AM) ppusa:
!!!!!!!!!!
(10:13 AM) raz_62:
had global hot key enabled
(10:14 AM) dave_b_quik:
longs coming in from multiple time frames, if they bail it should be fun
(10:15 AM) Mr S and P:
1494.50 can replace buy stop
(10:15 AM) ppusa:
now flag?
(10:16 AM) Mr S and P:
1501 still target
(10:16 AM) ppusa:
i missed the buy back there
(10:16 AM) Bob Cole:
i got it 1486.5
(10:17 AM) ppusa:
great orice
(10:17 AM) ppusa:
price
(10:17 AM) raz_62:
why did you buy at that price
(10:17 AM) ppusa:
that completed that pattern
(10:17 AM) Tom_B:
nice BC
(10:18 AM) Mr S and P:
1495.50 can replace buy stop
(10:18 AM) Bob Cole:
cuz short at 1489.5
(10:20 AM) ppusa:
SP and Dow look better with now with new highs
(10:23 AM) raz_62:
2min smax was short thru that bump up
(10:24 AM) ppusa:
market looks shortable now that dow and sp havemade new highs...maybe just scalps?
(10:24 AM) raz_62:
macd was down stoch was down
(10:24 AM) raz_62:
what said buy
(10:24 AM) raz_62:
we had had a lower high
(10:25 AM) Mr S and P:
1495.50 buy stop 1485.50 sell stop orders in one stop for the other
(10:25 AM) ppusa:
raz what are you referring to?
(10:25 AM) raz_62:
wonder what said buy
(10:25 AM) ppusa:
where
(10:25 AM) ppusa:
when
(10:25 AM) raz_62:
you said you missed the buy bob caught it
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
1486?
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
the trend is up
(10:26 AM) raz_62:
at yes
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
look at the slope of the ma's
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
1486 hit the 200 bar ma on the 1 min
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
sorry 50 bar
(10:26 AM) ppusa:
now the ma's are flattening
(10:27 AM) raz_62:
wasnt it a lower low
(10:27 AM) Tom_B:
ttmar shrt 90 to 85 ish
(10:27 AM) raz_62:
buy lower lows
(10:27 AM) ppusa:
yea just enough to get people out
(10:27 AM) Mr S and P:
it's been real lol later
(10:27 AM) ppusa:
what do you think a 1-2-3 is
(10:27 AM) ppusa:
raz watch the trend
(10:28 AM) Tom_B:
Was @m Smax a sell on last high with Diverg ?
(10:28 AM) Tom_B:
2m
(10:28 AM) ppusa:
bumping the 50 bar ma here
(10:28 AM) raz_62:
i had a smax sell at 1005
(10:29 AM) ppusa:
looks like go through
(10:29 AM) raz_62:
but looking at 2min
(10:29 AM) ppusa:
raz here is a no brainer trade
(10:29 AM) ppusa:
if we take out yesterday's low go short
(10:29 AM) raz_62:
at 1450
(10:30 AM) Tom_B:
pp u border on genius
(10:30 AM) BrainStorm:
hello hello
(10:30 AM) raz_62:
im sorry i still dont think my questiopn was totally foolish
(10:30 AM) Tom_B:
out shrt +5
(10:31 AM) raz_62:
smax was short stoch and macd down new low lower high
(10:31 AM) strad -:
long 85.50
(10:32 AM) ppusa:
mistake i think
(10:32 AM) Buffy_04364:
no ? is foolish raz
(10:32 AM) Buffy_04364:
anyone go short on test of high?
(10:32 AM) Buffy_04364:
wish I had of been here
(10:32 AM) Buffy_04364:
oh well
(10:32 AM) Tom_B:
sld 90
(10:33 AM) Tom_B:
cvr 85
(10:33 AM) ppusa:
84 minimum downside
(10:33 AM) ppusa:
could be HOD
(10:33 AM) Tracy007:
i did
(10:33 AM) ppusa:
think i should reserve that notion until later
(10:34 AM) Tom_B:
cvrng shrt 85 is safe play , to me...after that hve to see
(10:34 AM) ppusa:
84 reverses 10 point PnF
(10:34 AM) ppusa:
who thinks that will be the end of this correction as opposed to going for the low?
(10:35 AM) Bob Cole:
ready to long here
(10:35 AM) ppusa:
decision time here
(10:35 AM) Bob Cole:
waiting for signal
(10:35 AM) Tom_B:
This is the spot 4 a lng if any good, imho
(10:36 AM) Tom_B:
waiting also
(10:37 AM) Bob Cole:
long
(10:37 AM) raz_62:
dont it usually go back to double and triple tops
(10:37 AM) Bob Cole:
1486 fill
(10:37 AM) raz_62:
tweezer tops?
(10:37 AM) ppusa:
i bot q's back
(10:37 AM) ppusa:
i think it is a mistake but i did for now
(10:38 AM) tippet:
for what its worth Carpino has a cycle high friday
(10:38 AM) ppusa:
hit good support from a few ma's
(10:40 AM) ppusa:
hit uptrending ma's ... possible flag on 15 min
(10:44 AM) ppusa:
1500 + would make a nice HOD
(10:45 AM) Bob Cole:
covered
(10:46 AM) Bob Cole:
that would be sold
(10:46 AM) ppusa:
es does not look like it is ready to turn up
(10:49 AM) ppusa:
es has a flat bottom
(10:49 AM) Tom_B:
which means ?
(10:49 AM) ppusa:
on it's pullback low
(10:50 AM) ppusa:
if this is going to turn up i think es needs a little spike
(10:50 AM) Tom_B:
tnx
(10:50 AM) raz_62:
sure looks like 3 humps
(10:50 AM) Buffy_04364:
just evacuated LA airport
(10:50 AM) Buffy_04364:
thought you guys should know
(10:50 AM) ppusa:
es has a little bitty spike now but is on it's low
(10:50 AM) Tom_B:
y ?
(10:51 AM) Buffy_04364:
no explaination given
(10:51 AM) Buffy_04364:
on fox news
(10:51 AM) Tom_B:
tnx
(10:51 AM) ppusa:
think that was it
(10:51 AM) ppusa:
for now
(10:51 AM) ppusa:
es had the final spike now up
(10:52 AM) ppusa:
worked well watching es there

 
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(12:41 PM) Daniel X: man don't get into these hope and pray trades
(12:41 PM) raz_62:
i wish
(12:41 PM) Tom_B:
62% ret
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: this is why i don't trade this volume...no idea whats going to happen!!
(12:42 PM) Tom_B:
If u want to sell...this is abt the spot...i'm not there , YET
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: scarsthe crap out of me
(12:43 PM) Tom_B:
is that y it's damp ovr here ?
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:44 PM) Tom_B:
1490 - 90.5 is 79% ret...if this is retr that shud hld it othwise... north
(12:44 PM) Daniel X: thats what i have also Tom
(12:45 PM) Daniel X: 90 should turn bears to bulls
(12:46 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/trade599.jpg
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: volume between tradable and no tradable
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: no=non
(12:47 PM) Hailian1:
Any body help me
(12:48 PM) Dotcoza:
Please tell me how I can help you,
(12:48 PM) Hailian1:
i am looking for Book keeping lients
(12:48 PM) Dotcoza:
Sorry we are all out of stock here
(12:49 PM) Daniel X: try the ex Enron executives they have alot of $ to manage
(12:49 PM) raz_62:
this looks kinda 3 humpish
(12:49 PM) raz_62:
i got 3 humped again
(12:49 PM) Daniel X: hide ..lunder
(12:49 PM) Daniel X: launder
(12:50 PM) ppusa:
very hard to tell as the hour chart looks bullish
(12:50 PM) Daniel X: 90will bw key
(12:50 PM) Daniel X: be
(12:50 PM) Tom_B:
Court is out...verdict close
(12:50 PM) Daniel X: looks like a "W" on the 5 min no?

(12:51 PM) raz_62:
cant be exposive with no volume'
(12:51 PM) raz_62:
unless its a raz rally
(12:51 PM) Daniel X: yes..something is going on here
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: not normal
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: news?
(12:52 PM) Tom_B:
grrrr
(12:52 PM) ppusa:
gonna go for 6 point reversal
(12:53 PM) raz_62:
i always have this effect on the market believe it or not
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: yes good trade
(12:53 PM) Tom_B:
shrt 86
(12:53 PM) raz_62:
i have a track record to prove it
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: what effect?
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: oposite of your position?
(12:53 PM) raz_62:
always moves hard againsdt my position
(12:53 PM) ppusa:
trend still up
(12:54 PM) ppusa:
come on and break
(12:54 PM) Daniel X: if we can get above and hold 90..we should see 1500
(12:54 PM) ppusa:
SP breaking a bit
(12:54 PM) Daniel X: above 85 and 90
(12:55 PM) ppusa:
Dan we know that ...chill
(12:55 PM) Daniel X: ha sto hold though
(12:55 PM) Tom_B:
89.5 stp
(12:55 PM) Daniel X: oh you do eh ok i'll chill
(12:55 PM) raz_62:
monday i covered my long 1 p[oint from lod and my short .5 point from hod
(12:56 PM) Daniel X: since im no help i'll chill
(12:56 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:56 PM) Tom_B:
too much caffeine Daniel ?
(12:56 PM) raz_62:
before my trade w ewere making lower highs lowerlows correct
(12:57 PM) Daniel X: no..too just been there done that..and trying to keep ppl from taking unnecessary losses
(12:57 PM) raz_62:
what was the biggest mistake away from not stopping out
(12:57 PM) Dotcoza:
Question: Does anybody know anything about "zentigertrading"
(12:57 PM) scorp:
some
(12:57 PM) Tom_B:
I'm shrt btw because of a vry tight stp & decision time, imho
(12:58 PM) Tom_B:
3.5 pt risk
(12:58 PM) ppusa:
flat here
(12:58 PM) Dotcoza:
Any good?
(12:58 PM) ppusa:
for now
(12:58 PM) ppusa:
suggest going for it if you like
(12:59 PM) ppusa:
83 is target
(12:59 PM) ppusa:
and i chickened out
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: i know so chill
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: ;-)

(12:59 PM) Tom_B:
They just might be reloading to run me ovr but , goo R to R
(12:59 PM) Tom_B:
good
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(01:03 PM) Tom_B:
tightn stp to 88.5 2.5 pt risk
(01:03 PM) FrankT:
smax cont lng at about 86.50
(01:03 PM) ppusa:
darn computers
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(01:03 PM) ppusa:
i'll be back
(01:04 PM) raz_62:
out 86 -13 -26 on day im outta her seeya later
(01:05 PM) Daniel X: RAZ no wait
(01:06 PM) Daniel X: RAZ put me on your buddy list
(01:06 PM) ppusa:
don't do it
(01:06 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:07 PM) Daniel X: there' no way you should be down that much with all the guidanve in ths room
(01:07 PM) Daniel X: RAZ?
(01:08 PM) Daniel X: what vevr

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(01:09 PM) Tom_B:
lng 90.5
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(01:11 PM) FrankT:
Volume improving
(01:12 PM) FrankT:
Anyone with a swing high tgt?
(01:12 PM) Tom_B:
1500
(01:13 PM) Tom_B:
actually 99 - 00.50...
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(01:19 PM) Daniel X: i wanna take this but my rules tell me to wait

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(01:20 PM) Daniel X: hmmm
(01:20 PM) FrankT:
ES looking healthy
(01:21 PM) ppusa:
i have seen this am butterfly pattern many times i need to react faster to it
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(01:23 PM) FrankT:
may stall here
(01:24 PM) ppusa:
i have a zillion double tops...would like to see 1505 plus area
(01:25 PM) ppusa:
coming off the high
(01:26 PM) ppusa:
it sure looks like a short based on patterns
(01:27 PM) Tom_B:
out B/e
(01:27 PM) Daniel X: no chances..good
(01:28 PM) Tom_B:
I'll prob rebuy aft some rotat
(01:28 PM) raz_62:
back
(01:28 PM) Daniel X: yes
(01:28 PM) raz_62:
went for a real haircut
(01:34 PM) Daniel X: volume freakin me out
(01:34 PM) ppusa:
i sold q's again
(01:34 PM) Tom_B:
Get a grip
(01:34 PM) ppusa:
trend looks awfully steep
(01:35 PM) ppusa:
what should i do get back in or stay gflat
(01:35 PM) Tom_B:
still behaving like a correction to me... wud xpect new hi just for stps & bkout plyrs
(01:36 PM) ppusa:
es needs more of a pb
(01:36 PM) ppusa:
maybe
(01:36 PM) ppusa:
exception would be take out the high by a bit and then retrace
(01:37 PM) Tom_B:
Whole upmve has been on low vol...correction agnst dwn trnd....thnk we r finishing up a W:5:A some where around here...then 3 waves dwn...
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(01:38 PM) Tom_B:
of course i really don't hve a clue :)
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(01:39 PM) Tom_B:
Getting near time of day for some action
(01:40 PM) ppusa:
need a trendline break
(01:40 PM) ppusa:
for short
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(01:40 PM) Tom_B:
keep thnkng my quotes are broke
(01:41 PM) ppusa:
weird...if were really going up i would have thought the floor traders would take it lower
(01:41 PM) Tom_B:
grrr
(01:42 PM) Tom_B:
want to be lng...slapping self with fish
(01:42 PM) ppusa:
finally got the 6 point reversal there so ready to go higher
(01:43 PM) Tom_B:
is it worth it ?
(01:44 PM) ppusa:
i don't know
(01:44 PM) ppusa:
you thinking it might turn around?
(01:44 PM) FrankT:
looks like globes burp
(01:44 PM) ppusa:
after a new high
(01:44 PM) FrankT:
globex
(01:44 PM) Daniel X: 90.50 long 89.50 stop
(01:45 PM) Tom_B:
Don't know...need to see vol...
(01:45 PM) Daniel X: volume warrents this caution
(01:45 PM) Daniel X: stopped -1
(01:45 PM) Tom_B:
this thng is trapped
(01:45 PM) ppusa:
TL break
(01:45 PM) ppusa:
88
(01:46 PM) ppusa:
thank you Tom...held my order up
(01:47 PM) Tom_B:
grrr...shrt ?
(01:47 PM) Daniel X: i am
(01:47 PM) Tom_B:
nuts ..waiting for dust to settle...this might be pbk before up
(01:48 PM) ppusa:
yea might
(01:48 PM) ppusa:
the 3 day up thing is keeping me out
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(01:49 PM) Tom_B:
I'm not hearing a lot out of anyone else here...either they know or r just amused by our confusion... :)
(01:50 PM) raz_62:
i just tried a short on th etl break but stopped out already
(01:50 PM) QSuzy:
TomB....confused here too....:)
(01:50 PM) Tom_B:
Raz shrt might be right but vry aggressive..imho
(01:51 PM) ppusa:
back in
(01:51 PM) ppusa:
fornow
(01:51 PM) raz_62:
just tried to trade what i see which is usually a trick i suppose
(01:51 PM) ppusa:
i can't imagine this thing not going up a little more
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(01:52 PM) ppusa:
position trading
(01:52 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/tl%20break600.jpg
(01:52 PM) raz_62:
maybe i need new glasses
(01:52 PM) Tom_B:
almost bot it hre but ...maybe another small push dwn
(01:53 PM) Daniel X: 50/50 trade
(01:53 PM) BrainStorm:
with the benefit of hindsight evrything up to 15 mins is trending down
(01:55 PM) ppusa:
thanks brain
(01:56 PM) BrainStorm:
though gut says another push at the HoD
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: looking for the 2oo ma breach
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: on the 5 min
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: done
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: or testint
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: testing
(01:56 PM) Tom_B:
done ?
(01:56 PM) raz_62:
not 200
(01:56 PM) Tom_B:
82.5 supp
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: i meant the 200 ma
(01:57 PM) ppusa:
lots of lows to whack if this gets going
(01:57 PM) ppusa:
chart pattern looks like it will turn up
(01:57 PM) ppusa:
based solely on pattern
(01:58 PM) ppusa:
lots of lows but maybe a new high then come back and get them all
(01:58 PM) ppusa:
don't know
(01:58 PM) Daniel X: moving stop b/e
(01:58 PM) Daniel X: 87.50
(01:59 PM) Daniel X: stopped
(01:59 PM) raz_62:
you got back in
(01:59 PM) Tom_B:
Dan they're reading hre :)
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(01:59 PM) raz_62:
thought you stopped at 89.5
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(01:59 PM) Daniel X: was short at 88
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: 89.50 was a long stop
(02:00 PM) ppusa:
dow is up 107
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(02:00 PM) Daniel X: i know but NQ not participating
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: ??
(02:01 PM) Tom_B:
if a lng is gonna wrk, we r getting VRY close
(02:02 PM) ppusa:
my position is biased long until proven wrong scalping along the way
(02:02 PM) ppusa:
sounds like jingle bells
(02:02 PM) Daniel X: AMAT leading the NAS
(02:02 PM) Tom_B:
lng
(02:02 PM) Daniel X: is waht i hear
(02:02 PM) Tom_B:
86.5
(02:02 PM) raz_62:
nas has proven its the place you want to be
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: sorry Amat leading the sox
(02:03 PM) raz_62:
if you want to go broke
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: horroble vol still
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: horrible
(02:03 PM) Tom_B:
getting fish ready just in case
(02:04 PM) Daniel X: looks good for a few TOM
(02:04 PM) Daniel X: but what do i know
(02:04 PM) FrankT:
might have butt kicking machine ready before long too Tom...
(02:04 PM) Tom_B:
LOL
(02:04 PM) FrankT:
lol
(02:05 PM) BrainStorm:
84 is mid point of the days range and looks like a minor pivot
(02:05 PM) ppusa:
3 hours higher lows
(02:06 PM) Tom_B:
Tnx Brain...hldng breath here
(02:06 PM) Tom_B:
83.5 stp
(02:06 PM) Tom_B:
grrrr
(02:06 PM) Daniel X: one word comes to mind..
(02:06 PM) BrainStorm:
talking here in order to try and stay out :)
(02:07 PM) Daniel X: a four letter word at that
(02:07 PM) ppusa:
BB's look like the tail end of a caterpillar
(02:07 PM) Tom_B:
FISH ?/
(02:07 PM) Daniel X: chop
(02:07 PM) Daniel X: locals seem in control
(02:07 PM) QSuzy:
3rd inside bar forming on 4min....
(02:07 PM) Tom_B:
prob donating some $ to the floor Traders Mercedes Fund
(02:08 PM) Daniel X: and 2nd on the 5
(02:09 PM) QSuzy:
yep
(02:09 PM) ppusa:
transportatin index is down and i know Orprepus would clue into that
(02:09 PM) Tom_B:
C'mon Dan, buy some.. :)
(02:09 PM) raz_62:
i have made sure the dont need a new one
(02:09 PM) Daniel X: he he
(02:10 PM) Tom_B:
last chance Dan :)
(02:10 PM) Tom_B:
just kiddung, evyone ignore that
(02:10 PM) Daniel X: i had a target on PP long from 77 but yours..i dunno
(02:11 PM) Daniel X: bb too tight
(02:12 PM) raz_62:
hi tthe tl and down
(02:12 PM) raz_62:
next time 4th
(02:13 PM) Tom_B:
This is NOT worth the intestinal wear & tear
(02:13 PM) Daniel X: you got it
(02:13 PM) Tom_B:
May just pop the high & that's it
(02:13 PM) Daniel X: i cannot see any move with this volume ..although i tried
(02:14 PM) Daniel X: very unpredictable
(02:14 PM) ppusa:
PnF leaning towards up
(02:14 PM) Daniel X: just barely tradable imo
(02:14 PM) raz_62:
what volume are you looking for
(02:14 PM) Daniel X: tick volume on NQs
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: is what i look at
(02:15 PM) raz_62:
minimum i mean
(02:15 PM) raz_62:
250 to 300 min now
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: 250
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: to 275
(02:15 PM) ppusa:
es new low
(02:15 PM) ppusa:
not LOD low
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: i have a reference line drawn in right at 275
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: RAZ
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: to keep me in check
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:16 PM) ppusa:
last high at 89 hit down trend line off rally highs
(02:17 PM) BrainStorm:
will ensign display tick volume ? or total volume for the period only ?
(02:17 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/wedgie601.jpg
(02:17 PM) Daniel X: i dunno..i use RT investor
(02:17 PM) ppusa:
nas didn't confirm that last little es break
(02:17 PM) raz_62:
what is the question
(02:18 PM) tomsurf:
brain- ensign will do either but tick vol is the same for every bar by definition
(02:18 PM) Tom_B:
if i don't get squashed ..it needs to move now
(02:19 PM) BrainStorm:
will ensign display tick volume Raz ?
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: they say usually when in a triangle the break out resumes prior trend
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: 3/4 of the way to the apex
(02:20 PM) Tom_B:
if this hlds, 1500 ish in sights still (lol)
(02:20 PM) Daniel X: yes ..lol
(02:20 PM) ppusa:
this last rally now confirmed by es
(02:21 PM) raz_62:
does anybody know what dynamite triangles are
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: long 90.50
(02:22 PM) Daniel X: tight stop
(02:22 PM) Daniel X: 89.50
(02:22 PM) Tom_B:
tnx Dan..apprec the help :)
(02:22 PM) Tom_B:
This is NOT going to be pretty
(02:22 PM) Daniel X: adx coming off the floor now
(02:23 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/dynamite%20triangles602.jpg
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: ;-) TOM
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:23 PM) raz_62:
testing trend line
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: uh oh stops up here
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: i think
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: you see that
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: ?
(02:24 PM) Tom_B:
I see nothing
(02:24 PM) FrankT:
at 95?
(02:24 PM) Tom_B:
maybe data stopped
(02:25 PM) Daniel X: 93 to 95
(02:25 PM) Daniel X: should force short cover
(02:25 PM) Tom_B:
wat u talking abt ?
(02:25 PM) Daniel X: hoping
(02:25 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:26 PM) Daniel X: Tom usually stops go in an area where we have several failures
(02:26 PM) Daniel X: no?
(02:26 PM) raz_62:
tline won so far
(02:27 PM) Daniel X: stopped -1
(02:27 PM) Tom_B:
y...missed part of ur comment thought i missed a move
(02:28 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/trend%20test603.jpg
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: locals trying to keep it below 93 to 95 area
(02:30 PM) FrankT:
doing a pretty good job
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: they usually do!
(02:31 PM) Tom_B:
89 TSS
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: they force us samll guys to do the nervous dump
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: samll = small
(02:32 PM) Tom_B:
nxt 15 min VRY impt
(02:32 PM) raz_62:
doji on 5
(02:32 PM) Daniel X: yes RAz thanks
(02:33 PM) Daniel X: missed that
(02:33 PM) Tom_B:
grrr
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: you out TOM?
(02:34 PM) raz_62:
doji on 60 also
(02:34 PM) Tom_B:
no Stp @ 89
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(02:35 PM) Tom_B:
not lkng good
(02:35 PM) Daniel X: brb
(02:37 PM) Tom_B:
Ha s a fecal look to it
(02:40 PM) Tom_B:
Finally out of my misery +2.5
(02:40 PM) BrainStorm:
not sure where I want to be here so best out I guess
(02:41 PM) Tom_B:
It can't stay in balance here
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(02:41 PM) Daniel X: hey Tom it was a good trade none the less
(02:41 PM) Daniel X: you gave it a chance
(02:41 PM) Tom_B:
tnx...kinda suprised they didn't get the stops...still might
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: yes
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: might
(02:42 PM) ppusa:
5 houtr bars with higher lows
(02:42 PM) ppusa:
sorry 4
(02:42 PM) ppusa:
half asleep here
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: 84 to98 for 1 1/2 hours

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(02:43 PM) Daniel X: 84 to 95 sorry
(02:43 PM) Tom_B:
any good tv ?
(02:43 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:43 PM) raz_62:
and i started it all or it would be 77 to 85
(02:43 PM) raz_62:
lol
(02:43 PM) Daniel X: ha
(02:43 PM) ppusa:
i count in the first wave from LOD 3 humps
(02:44 PM) ppusa:
where we weent short
(02:44 PM) ppusa:
we need 2 more pushes in this leg
(02:44 PM) raz_62:
hey pp stick to P&F
(02:45 PM) Tom_B:
Prob just BB ping Pong
(02:45 PM) raz_62:
broke the tl
(02:46 PM) qatwo:
back to 15/20
(02:46 PM) Hollie_: I this market going up or down?
(02:46 PM) Daniel X: nowhere
(02:46 PM) BrainStorm:
cant find a nice looking chart to look at in any time frame Im interested in
(02:46 PM) Hollie_: bull flag on dow
(02:46 PM) raz_62:
both
(02:46 PM) Hollie_: ok raz
(02:47 PM) raz_62:
im not in dont know what to do with out me for direction
(02:47 PM) Daniel X: chop range 84 to 95 so....

(02:48 PM) p_8:
in triangle, could go either way, watch for traps
(02:48 PM) Hollie_: ok
(02:48 PM) Daniel X: triangle breakout ususally resumes prior trend
(02:48 PM) Hollie_: on dow is that 3 humps on 5 min?
(02:48 PM) Tom_B:
want to shrt but can't read it
(02:49 PM) raz_62:
that was a forth touch failure
(02:49 PM) ppusa:
wonder is this is still a buy here?????????
(02:49 PM) ppusa:
lower low on hour chart
(02:50 PM) Tom_B:
shrt
(02:50 PM) qatwo:
es also below 15m20
(02:50 PM) raz_62:
http://www.dacharts.com/charts/2002-02-13/4th%20failed604.jpg
(02:52 PM) Tom_B:
I wrk without a net
(02:52 PM) ppusa:
hummm
(02:53 PM) qatwo:
81 is 62%
(02:53 PM) ppusa:
yea it's nothing more than a pb still
(02:53 PM) ppusa:
es still dropping
(02:53 PM) raz_62:
2nd hump maybe
(02:54 PM) raz_62:
i was short at 90 :(
(02:54 PM) Tom_B:
I'm suspect of this shrt , keeping a tight leash on ti
(02:54 PM) Tom_B:
it
(02:54 PM) raz_62:
covered at 88.5
(02:56 PM) raz_62:
pull back and drop again sets up 3 humps down maybe
(02:56 PM) ppusa:
raz i think if this drops further it will no longer be a pullback but a change in trend
(02:57 PM) ppusa:
theyhave taken out the 81.5 low from 12:45
(02:57 PM) ppusa:
nice setup for another leg up
(02:57 PM) p_8:
anyone see tippet's 60-min chart this morning, nq poked the down trendline with today's HOD, it could fall further from here to the other end of the channel, or retrace a bit to trendline and reverse upward
(02:58 PM) raz_62:
support at 65
(02:58 PM) ppusa:
yes p8...poke this am
(02:58 PM) raz_62:
dont think we drop that far
(02:58 PM) ppusa:
raz don't even tthink about buying if the low goes
(02:58 PM) Tom_B:
TBS 84
(03:00 PM) ppusa:
240 tick chart has today as a very nice inverted head and shoulders
(03:01 PM) Daniel X: when we stay above the pivoyal number all day..it usually takes a lot of sellers to go down through irt
(03:01 PM) Daniel X: it
(03:01 PM) Tom_B:
This good supp so it's here or good bye
(03:01 PM) Daniel X: 75

(03:01 PM) ppusa:
yes
(03:02 PM) Tom_B:
-0.5
(03:03 PM) ppusa:
trans index is still down
(03:05 PM) raz_62:
things look good for a third hump and a bounce around 76
(03:05 PM) Tom_B:
shrt 83.5
(03:05 PM) ppusa:
maybe done now
(03:05 PM) raz_62:
on the 1525bar i think
(03:05 PM) ppusa:
out of time
(03:06 PM) raz_62:
15min trend line at 77
(03:07 PM) Tom_B:
out 86.5 lng 87
(03:07 PM) raz_62:
trend line test at 88 or 88.5
(03:08 PM) raz_62:
bet it fails and makes a 3rd hump
(03:08 PM) ppusa:
resis here
(03:09 PM) qatwo:
at 5m20 again
(03:09 PM) Tom_B:
I messed up last shrt...it hld supp well
(03:10 PM) p_8:
hit the 60-min trendline and bounced
(03:11 PM) its_1:
what is 2X * 4p - 99
(03:11 PM) p_8:
1
(03:12 PM) ppusa:
259
(03:12 PM) Tom_B:
pp I had same answer !!!
(03:12 PM) p_8:
lol
(03:12 PM) ppusa:
nq or es?
(03:13 PM) ppusa:
could be 61
(03:13 PM) ppusa:
pessimistic
(03:13 PM) its_1:
91xp u fouls
(03:13 PM) scorp:
no
(03:13 PM) scorp:
8xp -99
(03:14 PM) ppusa:
what is xp?
(03:14 PM) its_1:
xp is short 4 xp
(03:15 PM) its_1:
ok lets c how clever u all r
(03:15 PM) its_1:
what is 69
(03:16 PM) tomsurf:
its_1 no time for games in here
(03:16 PM) ppusa:
right
(03:16 PM) its_1:
im asking a question
(03:16 PM) its_1:
can anybody answer
(03:17 PM) Tom_B:
its after 3:15 cst
(03:17 PM) its_1:
lets try an other what is 7
(03:17 PM) p_8:
how's bond doing?
(03:17 PM) Tom_B:
hldng lng still...burning incense
(03:18 PM) its_1:
what is a 100
(03:18 PM) raz_62:
tl test
(03:18 PM) raz_62:
again
(03:18 PM) tomsurf:
its_1 your time in the spotlitght is about up
(03:18 PM) Daniel X: its
(03:19 PM) its_1:
can no 1 answer]
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: ?
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: what do u wnat?
(03:19 PM) Tom_B:
ejector button ?
(03:19 PM) BrainStorm:
wonder if we will get a final run on HoD
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: want
(03:19 PM) pender:
somebody gong this guy
(03:19 PM) raz_62:
these 3 humps are beautiful symetry so far just need s to drop
(03:19 PM) ppusa:
no gong...
(03:19 PM) raz_62:
4 5min bars down
(03:20 PM) ppusa:
switch to ignore
(03:20 PM) raz_62:
please
(03:20 PM) its_1:
its a number u fouls
(03:20 PM) Tom_B:
if we continue a litte sidewys...will go up
(03:20 PM) tomsurf:
its_1 has been bounced from the group
(03:20 PM) ppusa:
darn
(03:20 PM) Tom_B:
THANKS TOM
(03:20 PM) Daniel X: learn to spellfool
(03:20 PM) pender:
applause
(03:20 PM) Daniel X: probably a kid
(03:21 PM) Tom_B:
Chanting & clapping little handheld cymbals
(03:21 PM) Daniel X: lol
(03:21 PM) tomsurf:
kiddies should be at school, lol
(03:21 PM) p_8:
they have internet in school, remember? lol
(03:21 PM) raz_62:
mine are home already
(03:21 PM) raz_62:
lol
(03:21 PM) raz_62:
where they look at porn
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(03:22 PM) raz_62:
another tl here
(03:22 PM) Tom_B:
You'd think attendance might improve then ?
(03:22 PM) raz_62:
touched it
(03:22 PM) amer_68:
91.5 top of 10:05 bar
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(03:23 PM) Tom_B:
suspecting a spike..ttmar
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: can we mustera good old fashion rally here....
(03:24 PM) Tom_B:
Buy some Dan
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: er...ok
(03:24 PM) raz_62:
if we cud get this other hump
(03:24 PM) tomsurf:
right back to test the trendline we broke on that last push down
(03:24 PM) amer_68:
87 botttom of 10:05 bar
(03:24 PM) tomsurf:
backside test now
(03:25 PM) raz_62:
now 4 down bars
(03:25 PM) raz_62:
come on
(03:26 PM) nomimon:
hi room
(03:26 PM) raz_62:
would make rally start after 1540
(03:26 PM) raz_62:
right on time
(03:26 PM) ppusa:
good eye Tomsurf
(03:26 PM) Tom_B:
better strt in 5 min or i'm out
(03:26 PM) nomimon:
if any importer is living in this room?
(03:27 PM) p_8:
raz, may need Tom's chanting and cymbal clapping to get the rally going..lol
(03:27 PM) nomimon:
if any importer is living in this room?
(03:27 PM) Tom_B:
no importers here
(03:27 PM) raz_62:
im importer than some
(03:27 PM) Daniel X: no NOMINMON
(03:28 PM) nomimon:
if any importer is living in this room?
(03:29 PM) p_8:
so, nq is making even bigger triangle?
(03:30 PM) Tom_B:
I'm goign to writ e the Fecal Trading sys
(03:30 PM) raz_62:
buy limit at 77.5
(03:31 PM) raz_62:
you know what that means
Daniel X: lol
(03:31 PM) FrankT:
Should we get out the machine Tom?
(03:31 PM) ppusa:
rule of 4 at HOD?
(03:32 PM) Tom_B:
Well raz...i'm still lng...of course that doesn't mean diddley
(03:32 PM) FrankT:
I could have used it a few times today...
(03:32 PM) Tom_B:
No Frank, not YET
(03:33 PM) alan123:
volume very low today
(03:33 PM) raz_62:
tl again
(03:34 PM) Tom_B:
This might go dwn to the wire
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: final hour have the potential to be emotional one way streets..locals are cautious on the short side
(03:34 PM) amer_68:
Turtle trade on 3 min?
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: final hour trades that is
(03:35 PM) Tom_B:
this thing 's been mvng like a turtle all day
(03:35 PM) BrainStorm:
tempted to quit here while I'm behind lol
(03:35 PM) raz_62:
surely you jest
(03:35 PM) p_8:
more like cockroach move
(03:36 PM) p_8:
confusing
(03:36 PM) Daniel X: we need some profit taking here in the other indices
(03:36 PM) Daniel X: for a move down
(03:36 PM) Daniel X: sox dow etc
(03:36 PM) Tom_B:
Hey...they move pretty fast...at least they did in NYC..I used to go dwn into Sub basements & turn on the lights & count to 3 before i opened my eyes so the floor wud clear
(03:38 PM) Daniel X: Tom you still in the CBOT?
(03:38 PM) Daniel X: building?
(03:38 PM) Tom_B:
out
(03:38 PM) p_8:
y someone shed some light on the market, plz
(03:38 PM) Tom_B:
now it can go up :)
(03:40 PM) Tom_B:
GRRR
(03:40 PM) ppusa:
good consolidation
(03:40 PM) ppusa:
still long q's.....beaten up on futures
(03:40 PM) raz_62:
anybody with a 5min chart look for similiarty between yesterdays last 2 hours and this ams first 2
(03:40 PM) ppusa:
recent low held 50 bar ma on 15 minute which was bullish
(03:41 PM) Tom_B:
Still looks good to me but it wore me out
(03:41 PM) ppusa:
good point raz...railroad tracks
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(03:41 PM) raz_62:
this whole market is bull %#ish
(03:42 PM) Tom_B:
Dan, what r the locals ?
(03:42 PM) Tom_B:
l/s ?
(03:42 PM) Tom_B:
gone home
(03:43 PM) p_8:
the locals are out to local bars?
(03:43 PM) raz_62:
having a round on me
(03:43 PM) Daniel X: sory was afk
(03:44 PM) Tom_B:
Merc Club is nice, u can sit there, have a cocktail & watch the screens & call in ur orders
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: the locals where pressing the short side at 90 most of the day
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: but cautious on this last one
(03:45 PM) Tom_B:
Theonly thing pressed here today was my acct..
(03:45 PM) raz_62:
volume picking up now
(03:46 PM) ppusa:
3 little indians i min chart
(03:46 PM) p_8:
y, short at 89
(03:47 PM) Daniel X: good trade!
(03:47 PM) ppusa:
tempted do sell q's
(03:47 PM) ppusa:
to
(03:47 PM) BrainStorm:
can someone tell me what the symbols are for continuous futures on eSignal are ?
(03:47 PM) Tom_B:
89 good Smax shrt
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: yes and good florr trade!
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: floor
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: be careful
(03:48 PM) blueem:
brainstorm: nq #f
(03:48 PM) BrainStorm:
thank ye
(03:49 PM) ppusa:
85.5 holding so far as this hour's low
(03:49 PM) Daniel X: 40 min 5 point chop zone!!!
(03:49 PM) Daniel X: ouch

(03:50 PM) p_8:
hand on eject..
(03:50 PM) Tom_B:
out of this something more meaningful develops
(03:50 PM) ppusa:
same
(03:51 PM) ppusa:
close here?
(03:51 PM) BrainStorm:
volume tailing off Im outta here..have a good evning all
(03:51 PM) Tom_B:
Bye
(03:51 PM) QSuzy:
anyone know what Ensign class will be on this afternoon?
(03:52 PM) Daniel X: can someone tell me how to calculate 12 % away from the 20 ma..if you know what i mean?
(03:53 PM) Daniel X: PP ..Tom?
(03:53 PM) Daniel X: fib?
(03:53 PM) qatwo:
in ensign?
(03:53 PM) Daniel X: something new im looking at
(03:53 PM) qatwo:
use uniform bands
(03:53 PM) Daniel X: in anything really
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: but on paper what does it represent

(03:54 PM) Daniel X: weekly daily?
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: intrady>
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: ?

(03:55 PM) p_8:
out
(03:55 PM) qatwo:
whatever you want
(03:55 PM) 9r:
ema value X 1.12 or .88..depending on which side
(03:55 PM) Daniel X: oh ok thnx
(03:56 PM) Daniel X: g night all c ya in the morn
(03:56 PM) Tom_B:
Dan too high end for me, i just try to push the right button here.. :)
(03:56 PM) Daniel X: lol
(03:57 PM) Daniel X: they say look for retracement
(03:57 PM) dave_stewart:
-
(03:57 PM) Daniel X: when price is around 12% away from 20 ma
(03:57 PM) Tom_B:
BYE & BYE to all Who put up with my raving today...tnx
(03:57 PM) p_8:
this may clunk at 16:01
(03:58 PM) 9r:
20 ema on what timeframe?
(03:58 PM) Daniel X: 5 min
(03:59 PM) raz_62:
bye all
(04:01 PM) ppusa:
big fat triangle here on 15 min chart
(04:02 PM) Dotcoza:
Where will I find ensign chat?
(04:02 PM) ppusa:
ensign room
(04:02 PM) ppusa:
ensign windows users
(04:03 PM) qatwo:
don't see ensign room yet he should open it soon
(04:04 PM) Dotcoza:
Ok thats why I dont see them ........THANX
(04:07 PM) ppusa:
sold 1/2 q's
(04:07 PM) ppusa:
don't trust this
(04:09 PM) 9r:
p_8 I was hoping you could muster a little better clunk than that :)
(04:09 PM) p_8:
LOL
(04:09 PM) ppusa:
work on it tomorrow
(04:10 PM) qatwo:
ensign room is open now
(04:10 PM) p_8:
i need more practice...lol
(04:12 PM) ppusa:
most of the clutter
(04:12 PM) ppusa:
all the popups except the instant date
(04:12 PM) ppusa:
bye all
(04:12 PM) jean2:
thanks
(04:12 PM) qatwo:
bye pp
(04:13 PM) ppusa:
oh about the group thing
(04:13 PM) p_8:
good night
(04:13 PM) ppusa:
let's discuss
(04:13 PM) ppusa:
but not today
(04:13 PM) qatwo:
k
(04:13 PM) ppusa:
everyone interested maybe let me know what you want to watch
(04:13 PM) ppusa:
bye for now