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Buffy_04364: Morning all
Buffy_04364: where is everyone?  someone having a free day?
dave_b_quik: I J
david h_2: does t have free days
dave_b_quik: I was at home depot and just opened the room a couple of minutes ago
Buffy_04364: I thought she was going to have one a month but things change
Buffy_04364: oh that might be it dave
Buffy_04364: not doing my job sorry
dave_b_quik: i didn't hear any mention of the free day, maybe T forgot
dave_b_quik: i was wondering where you were
ann_87: i had thought she had wanted to do one everyday lbr had one
Buffy_04364: sounds like T
Buffy_04364: :-)
ann_87: which is usually 1st of month
dave_b_quik: we should get some more volunteer room administrators
dave_b_quik: anybody willing?
ann_87: i can dave
dave_b_quik: great
QSuzy: dave....I haven't been real consistent in attendance but things will lighten up for me after this week.....I can help out some then.
david h_2: i will dave- 
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hawki: morning all. FOMC Meeting at 2.15 today
dave_b_quik: to open the room or get a hammer (@ next to yr name) you have to have dave_b_quick on yr pal list.  Instead of entering the room the regular way, when you get to the list of groups click on ADMIN/OPEN OR JOIN AS ADMIN
dave_b_quik: pick dave_b_quick from the list, and enter the admin code
dave_b_quik: that's it!
QSuzy: I guess you mean _quik and not _quick.....
dave_b_quik: no, quik won't work, you have to use my other handle with the c in it
dave_b_quik: dave_b_quick was the handle i used when i created the room
BrainStorm: morning all
dave_b_quik: g'morning
Buffy_04364: morning brainstorm
elly_34: good morning
Buffy_04364: morning elly
ann_87: good morning everyone
Buffy_04364: hi ann
Jesse888: good morning everyone 
shorter: hier  apocalisse
x21r: good morning  a..z
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BrainStorm: noticed retro did better than me yesterday despite being chopped around
dloomis: retro knows all bs
dave_b_quik: LOL, retro has no brain, maybe that helps
ppusa: +4
ppusa: 6 pt reversal
dbphoenix: We have a coil on the 60m with the apex at 1160.
ppusa: get buy signals over 60 area on several charts so could be some follow through
ppusa: sells below 40
dbphoenix: Upside is 1225 off that pattern.
Buffy_04364: morning Jesse
Buffy_04364: posted a chart of the indu and comp last night to today's folder
Daniel X:  1158 is ppivot
Buffy_04364: tks
Jesse888: good morning, buffy
Buffy_04364: usually a chop chop before feds
Buffy_04364: what is everyone's opinion on what will happen if we get only 25 instead of 50?
Daniel X: hard to  say
Daniel X: they might view a 25 as things are getting better
dloomis: probably the same effect - the market is waiting for signs the economy is improving - any sign at all
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Daniel X: or not enough and tank
skyprince_1: FOMC bias and comments more importnat than rate adj...IMO
Buffy_04364: that is what I thought too but there are so many out there saying things are not gettinng better
dloomis: they arent getting better, are they?
Buffy_04364: or he wouldn't be working on the stimulus package
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dave_b_quik: ya, how the market reacts to the announcement will tell a lot too
Buffy_04364: I can assure you I will be watching only 
ppusa: My friend left for Tahiti Sunday for 2 weeks to get married.
ppusa: His work called and had a meeting Monday (Harrah's)
Daniel X: i've read an article over the weekend  which stated that history showed that we are at a market bottom when shorts outnumber longs and this where we are right now.
ppusa: he's laid off
Buffy_04364: there are many sad stories I am hearing out there
Buffy_04364: between their retirement funds and jobs lost - not nice
skyprince_1: Wow!  NQ volume is anemic
Buffy_04364: yes and that isn't good is it
ppusa: we decided (his friends) we wouldn't tell him until he got back
skyprince_1: nope
Buffy_04364: hopefully he will understand and not be upset with you guys  :-)
Buffy_04364: I wouldn't tell him either
ppusa: good to hear someone else agrees
ppusa: anyway maybe i will get him to join room
ppusa: ok so buy signal was good for follow through at 60
jam_27: why is es going up
Buffy_04364: nq doing the same
ppusa: i bot but chickened out
Daniel X: i dunno and im just watching it!
Buffy_04364: me too daniel!
Daniel X: lol
jam_27: i'm chicken too
Buffy_04364: we should not had expectations of a chop day with the feds
Buffy_04364: LOL
ppusa: well we are out 72 so +10
Buffy_04364: nice pp
Daniel X: just when you find an entry it will turn to chop!!LOL
Buffy_04364: of course daniel
ppusa: held yester low so maybe yester high will go to
ppusa: obot here
Daniel X: i wanted to buy 42 es
Daniel X: oh well
ppusa: but 78.5 should go???
laniermasters: I joined late, so you may know, Tony Blair speaking on CNN.
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Buffy_04364: how many here have excel on their machines?
ppusa: i do
laniermasters: me
jam_27: yes
BrainStorm: yes
dave_b_quik: y
hawki: yes
skyprince_1: y
Buffy_04364: thanks
jam_27: are you sending us the holy grail
ppusa: daily chart has turned up and is holding above short term ma's on all but nq
Buffy_04364: sideways instead of pullback - hmmm
MarkCA: y
Buffy_04364: LOL jam
Buffy_04364: the holy grail is yourself jam
Daniel X: yes Buffy hhmmm
jam_27: thanks
BrainStorm: $TICK falling
jam_27: maybe the unholy
Daniel X: umph now ve vill chup!
ppusa: maybe another high first?
ppusa: you may be right though
Daniel X: gosh barely stayed in positive territory
Daniel X: not good
Daniel X: buyers not convinced it was worth buying
Buffy_04364: pp - enjoyed your discussion last friday scalping - nice to know what air is now - what to just discuss friday scalp trades for maybe 10-15 minutes this friday
Buffy_04364: or would another day be better?
zack_100: nas holding relatively strong
BrainStorm: yes zack
Daniel X: thurs seems to be good for any sort of meeting
Daniel X: evry thursdsay
Buffy_04364: and we have nothing else going on so that might work
Buffy_04364: leave up to pp
Daniel X: firdays alot might want to cut out early
Buffy_04364: testing high
Daniel X: brb
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ppusa: possible 15 point pb nq
ppusa: yes Buffy, we'll see
BrainStorm: retro add here ?
ppusa: other markets not responding to this move
ppusa: other markets have already taken out yester high
dave_b_quik: ya, bs
BrainStorm: 75.5 dave ?
dave_b_quik: y
BrainStorm: Spoos not looking so healthy
Daniel X: spring ?
Daniel X: ES oddly  rogue behavior
ppusa: see if nq rolls or straight down
ppusa: so far straight down
Daniel X: i dont get it
Daniel X: DOW +4 only now
BrainStorm: retro stopped on 2b ?
Buffy_04364: Dave scott and hagen asked last night if you are going to go through the days trades for retro again - hagen is interested in programing it in espl
laniermasters: Based on fibo analysis, I think it's highly likely for 3 indices to go down today.
laniermasters: and tomorrow
Daniel X: thnx Lanier
Buffy_04364: tks
ppusa: looking for 15 point drop nq - PnF
Daniel X: i never seen such a decisive move on ES alone like that
ppusa: which?
ppusa: run up or pull back
Daniel X: pullback
Buffy_04364: dave where is retro stop now
ppusa: after yester highs went, nothing left
ppusa: could be like this for sometime
ppusa: xome tiime
ppusa: some time
ppusa: as in weeks, months
ppusa: chop
dave_b_quik: 1169 on first, 1170 on 2nd
Buffy_04364: dave?
Buffy_04364: tks
BrainStorm: stopped bd of previous 5 min bar ? 2nd position 5 point ?
Buffy_04364: ok because not true inside bar right?
Daniel X: rumors of only 25 cuasing this?
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Daniel X: causing
Buffy_04364: did you see ? on retro discussion of days trades?
dave_b_quik: sorry, i was on the phone
Buffy_04364: np
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dave_b_quik: we could do another retro chat
Buffy_04364: well, they had me add them to pal list to let them know when - is anyone working on it in espl?
Daniel X: ok theres the waiting for orders pause
BrainStorm: some size on the bid
Buffy_04364: one right?
dave_b_quik: i don't think so, TS, VBS, Excel, but not ESPL
Buffy_04364: well hagen is espl
dave_b_quik: that would be great!
Buffy_04364: we went over some of the charts last night
Buffy_04364: so let me know when and I will let him know
Daniel X: DOW  negative
Buffy_04364: see if we can't get it going in espl
BrainStorm: I dont mind lending a hand but dont feel up to taking the lead
Buffy_04364: they had me join the espl yahoo group also
Buffy_04364: would like anyone here that is interested to do so also
dave_b_quik: they made it easier to join the ESPL group
Buffy_04364: btw steve not scott
Buffy_04364: so many names LOL
Buffy_04364: yes they did
(10:14 AM) BrainStorm: still 2 tier though need to contribute too get access to the code samples
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: I am going to work on the english for retro tonight and post to both retro and their group when I have an outline
(10:15 AM) BrainStorm: (which are a good way to learn imo)
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: or a good idea brainstorm
(10:15 AM) dave_b_quik: great, i was kinda stymied as far as writing the retro logic
(10:17 AM) rich012: there is an espl yahoo group?
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: going to dust off the old programming brains and see if I can't get it working again LOL
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: yes there is rich
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: will get the link
(10:17 AM) rich012: is it very active buffy?
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ESPL
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: not as active as they would like
(10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: one reason why they wanted me to mention it in the room I think
(10:17 AM) BrainStorm: mine is pretty addled even though I was a software engineer some <cough> 20+ years ago
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: mine goes back a way too brainstorm
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: hope it is still there  LOL
(10:18 AM) BrainStorm: written tools in turb pascal...language itself is real easy
(10:18 AM) dave_b_quik: 20 years ago I knew everything and could do anything...
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: ditto Dave
(10:19 AM) BrainStorm: me too dave
(10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: time gets so compressed the older we get too
(10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue where the summer went
(10:19 AM) Daniel X: yes and today you know less and can do more!
(10:19 AM) Daniel X: well remember less at least
(10:19 AM) dave_b_quik: what broker was my account with?
(10:20 AM) rich012: tx for the link buffy
(10:20 AM) MarkCA: is there any consensus here about whether the NQ is generally easier or more difficult to trade than the ES?
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: can't beleive i spent it in front of my monitor
(10:20 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't know about you guys but I come out with stuff I had no clue I knew  LOL
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: 1rst time
(10:20 AM) BrainStorm: think it depends mark
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(10:21 AM) Buffy_04364: they say the es is smoother mark but more money if it goes against you
(10:21 AM) dloomis: ppusa - you got 14.5 pts drop on nq
(10:21 AM) Buffy_04364: just what I have heard
(10:21 AM) BrainStorm: nas usually more volatile
(10:22 AM) Buffy_04364: when is the next holiday for the market?
(10:22 AM) ppusa: DLOOMIS   Buffy regarding another chop seminar, may be better if all followed intraday. For instance Ai said my favorite trade was going for the 10 and 15 point reversal
(10:22 AM) BrainStorm: think we'll just wiggle around til the fed meeting ?
(10:22 AM) Buffy_04364: ok pp
(10:23 AM) ppusa: aS LOOMIS POINTED OUT, NQ NEEDS MORE DOWNSIDE HERRE
(10:23 AM) Buffy_04364: since we type we can all follow along I would think
(10:23 AM) Buffy_04364: nice flag on the 150T also
(10:23 AM) ppusa: question for anyone following would be does nq go higher then get drop or drop here
(10:23 AM) Buffy_04364: but leery because of 50 ma right there
(10:24 AM) ppusa: majority of correction is over and i am so far leaving balance unless i can enter higher
(10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: tick seems to sa lower here but haven't been watching long
(10:24 AM) Buffy_04364: still accumulation going on on the ticki
(10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: still I know what the 50ma can do :-)
(10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: treat it with respect
(10:25 AM) ppusa: I waited for HOD to go then unloaded. Must still pick entries carefully because i shorted one before HOD
(10:25 AM) Daniel X: kinda odd that there hanging out at open
(10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: hmmm we have that "snake" pattern
(10:25 AM) ppusa: think best if just follow intraday for those interested
(10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: np pp
(10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: it should work
(10:26 AM) ppusa: ?
(10:26 AM) Daniel X: yes SSSSSssssnake
(10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: your the one who named it right daniel?
(10:26 AM) Buffy_04364: does it go the way of the head?
(10:27 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(10:27 AM) ppusa: hey DLoomos, I knew a Dave Loomis from Rancho Santa Fe...Is that you?
(10:27 AM) ppusa: loomis
(10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: back in about 15
(10:28 AM) MarkCA: ppsa....where are you located?
(10:28 AM) ppusa: Tahoe
(10:28 AM) MarkCA: Lake San Marcos, just north of Rancho Sante Fe
(10:28 AM) ppusa: question will nq make new high or short here?
(10:29 AM) ppusa: San Diego boy here
(10:29 AM) Daniel X: look at the 1 min it tells a story
(10:29 AM) ppusa: not interested in story, want to know future
(10:30 AM) Daniel X: follow the big boys
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(10:30 AM) ppusa: watch close this retest
(10:31 AM) Daniel X: looks to me they're keeping markets afloat
(10:31 AM) Daniel X: 3 days now
(10:32 AM) ppusa: only took out yester high by 4 ticks, maybe do more
(10:32 AM) ppusa: consolidate here then
(10:33 AM) dbphoenix: Note resistance at 1180 from Friday.
(10:33 AM) Daniel X: 1180 also happens to be pivot res 1
(10:34 AM) zack_100: alot of resistannce on es as well around 1045 area 
(10:34 AM) Daniel X: yes 44 i figured
(10:34 AM) Jesse888: yes daniel
(10:36 AM) skyprince_1: I won't buy 1181 just to run into 1185...rather have clear air at 1186
(10:36 AM) zack_100: I kind of figured with the chop better to move up timeframe to 5 min or greater.  What do you guys do to protect yourselves in the chop?
(10:36 AM) Daniel X: stay out!
(10:36 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:36 AM) skyprince_1: Sew buttons on my bathing suit!
(10:37 AM) Daniel X: ha lol i like that!
(10:37 AM) skyprince_1: Re-read Lady Chatterly..
(10:37 AM) zack_100: How do you know when to get back in the water?
(10:37 AM) ppusa: move to lower time frame
(10:37 AM) ppusa: to trade chop
(10:38 AM) Daniel X: after a swing low/high holds as rres or suport and MAs trend
(10:38 AM) Daniel X: we're chopping but up
(10:39 AM) zack_100: yah chopping up in tight range
(10:39 AM) ppusa: rising ma's
(10:39 AM) ppusa: looking for a roll over here
(10:39 AM) skyprince_1: Volume dropping off early...maybe best to go to Starbucks...return to watch the show at 2:15.
(10:39 AM) Daniel X: the question becomes if those that missed the April lows buying opportunity will step in here
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(10:40 AM) Daniel X: Dojis all over ES
(10:40 AM) Daniel X: 1 min
(10:40 AM) zack_100: potential 2B setting up
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(10:40 AM) ppusa: 1-2-3 correctiopn then new high???
(10:40 AM) MarkCA: do you think we will see a significant dip when US launched military action?
(10:41 AM) Daniel X: oh yah
(10:41 AM) Daniel X: at 1rst
(10:41 AM) skyprince_1: Mark....opposite....
(10:41 AM) MarkCA: that's what I'm waiting for.  opposite?
(10:41 AM) Daniel X: but then uncertainty will be gone and then......
(10:41 AM) ppusa: some senator collapsed
(10:42 AM) skyprince_1: Go look at Desert Storm....market rallied on attack
(10:42 AM) wayne_53: Strom Thurmond has collapsed on the Senate floor and is unconcious
(10:42 AM) ppusa: almost 100 years old???
(10:42 AM) Daniel X: poor guy
(10:43 AM) skyprince_1: Strom's had quite a long run.....
(10:43 AM) ppusa: longest running cnbc said
(10:43 AM) Jesse888: farout
(10:43 AM) MarkCA: my tick charts (realtick) only update every 10 seconds.  Is that everyone elses experience?  i.e., is the number generate by the exchange only every 10 sec?
(10:44 AM) Daniel X: alot of covering going on imo
(10:44 AM) skyprince_1: Sitting, wondering....will it bust through?
(10:44 AM) Daniel X: stunned!
(10:45 AM) Daniel X: Mark something is wrong
(10:45 AM) Daniel X: not supposed to be like taht
(10:46 AM) MarkCA: what is your data feed?  how often does the tick value change?
(10:46 AM) Daniel X: live
(10:46 AM) zack_100: Mark my $tick charts have been taking anywhere from 5-15 sec.
(10:46 AM) Daniel X: let me put 1 up hold on
(10:46 AM) ppusa: roll over
(10:46 AM) zack_100: I am on esignal with ensignsoftware
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: im live maybe 1.5 sec hiccups now and then
(10:50 AM) skyprince_1: Wow!  Ticket counters fly?
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(10:51 AM) MarkCA: daniel, what do you mean live?
(10:51 AM) dloomis: test
(10:51 AM) ppusa: shorted 75, covered 73
(10:51 AM) laniermasters: TS Comstock data live real time
(10:51 AM) ppusa: still looking for more drop from somewhere
(10:52 AM) MarkCA: thats quite good.  with 10 sec delay, not very useful for guidance on scalps
(10:52 AM) ppusa: maybe from new high?
(10:52 AM) ppusa: nq drops below 72.5 would confirm some kind of roll over
(10:54 AM) ppusa: no new highs yet
(10:55 AM) Daniel X: volume on NQ between 71.50 and 75  looking at volume profile
(10:56 AM) skyprince_1: Does anyone watch Level II NQ data...to determine immediate buy/sell pressure?
(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: tks for the post hawk
(10:57 AM) elly_34: can i get someone to verify a bar high price pls?
(10:57 AM) ppusa: source of level II nq data?
(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: sure elly
(10:58 AM) skyprince_1: IB...they call it "market depth."
(10:58 AM) ppusa: can't get it here
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: what bar
(10:58 AM) elly_34: bar #4 this morning on 15 min, what is high pls?
(10:58 AM) BrainStorm: woot woot !!
(10:58 AM) ppusa: used it all the time for stocks
(10:58 AM) elly_34: the bar after the poke high
(10:58 AM) BrainStorm: just wrote and de-bugged my first proper ESPL this am
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: 1174.50
(10:59 AM) elly_34: oh hell
(10:59 AM) elly_34: mine is different
(10:59 AM) skyprince_1: Oooops!
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: how much different
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: is that what others show?
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: make sure it isn't me
(11:00 AM) ppusa: dow sp failing
(11:00 AM) BrainStorm: adaptive moving average with filter and jolly smooth it looks too
(11:00 AM) elly_34: that is what another friend of mine has who has ravenquote
(11:00 AM) latkinso: Hi from Oklahoma, I will be lurching around trying to learn if you will allow me
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: tick is too
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome latkinso
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: sure
(11:00 AM) ppusa: lurching or lurking?
(11:00 AM) Daniel X: the ib bar to me says 1174 high
(11:00 AM) latkinso: both
(11:00 AM) zack_100: I have 1174.5
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: feel free to ask ?
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: have you been to the website
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(11:01 AM) elly_34: can anyone tell me what time their computer says then pls?
(11:01 AM) BrainStorm: Can tell no one is interested in my uber ESPL prgramming skills <sulk>
(11:01 AM) latkinso: I am most interested in pyrapoint
(11:01 AM) latkinso: which website
(11:01 AM) Buffy_04364: it sure is fascinating
(11:01 AM) Buffy_04364: have you been through the pyra folder on the website?
(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
(11:02 AM) latkinso: the one with the charts, yes  Are there others
(11:02 AM) skyprince_1: BS....maybe we don't know ESPL!  (like me!)
(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: under links is the discussion we had on it
(11:02 AM) latkinso: Ensign said that opre something was good with this study
(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman led it
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman and orprepus
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: yes two good ones with it
(11:03 AM) latkinso: I thought that was the names, are they here today?
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: Orp wasn't here yesterday and I don't see him today either
(11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman is on but not in this room at the moment
(11:04 AM) latkinso: I could not make the voice part of this work, anyone have any tips
(11:04 AM) Jesse888: i live here...lol
(11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: file/setup/advanced sound control
(11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: all sould be checked but the second one and the last one depends on if behind firewall or not
(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: then need to exit totally and come back in and try it
(11:05 AM) latkinso: OK, I will check now
(11:05 AM) latkinso: Which File?
(11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: the one in the paltalk window
(11:06 AM) Buffy_04364: not the one in this room
(11:06 AM) latkinso: OK, I will be back 
(11:06 AM) latkinso: ths
(11:07 AM) latkinso: thx
(11:07 AM) Daniel X: PnF ES break out @ 46
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: u welc
(11:07 AM) laniermasters: is espl ensign programming language?
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: yes
(11:07 AM) laniermasters: thx
(11:07 AM) Daniel X: and there it is
(11:08 AM) ppusa: nq bumped 5 min ma and is now going higher
(11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: it wants to but don't know if will make it
(11:08 AM) ppusa: no roll over, just consolidation before new high
(11:09 AM) Buffy_04364: banged its head on the diagonal in pyra 
(11:09 AM) ppusa: i sold 75 and waiting
(11:09 AM) ppusa: very unhappy
(11:09 AM) ppusa: missed re-entry
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(11:10 AM) ppusa: looking for dog to beat
(11:10 AM) Jesse888: lol
(11:10 AM) ppusa: think i will use neighbors
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(11:11 AM) Daniel X: triple top S
(11:11 AM) Daniel X: ES
(11:11 AM) ppusa: until nq breaks 72.5, no roll over
(11:12 AM) ppusa: new high
(11:13 AM) ppusa: next scalp at top of this move
(11:13 AM) ppusa: wherever that is
(11:13 AM) Jesse888: think i will be out
(11:16 AM) Daniel X: PnF Es needs a little pullback
(11:17 AM) Daniel X: has to hld 45
(11:17 AM) ppusa: 300 to buyn at 84
(11:19 AM) ppusa: someone bot 300 nq at 84
(11:20 AM) BrainStorm: some of it might have been pulle I guess ?
(11:20 AM) ppusa: ?
(11:21 AM) ppusa: pulled?
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(11:21 AM) Daniel X: i don't see anything on ES between here and 80?
(11:21 AM) ppusa: nope, saw the whole lot go then immediately dropped after
(11:21 AM) Daniel X: can anyone give me a target?
(11:22 AM) ppusa: uptrend on nq...key word trend
(11:22 AM) ppusa: no scalp in trend
(11:23 AM) dbphoenix: 1225 if you go by the coil.
(11:23 AM) ppusa: cnbc says now moments after Senator collapsed he was talking and standing. WHAT TOOK THEM SO LONG TO SAY THAT. WHAT A BUNCH OF MORONS
(11:24 AM) ppusa: how do you spell morons? 
(11:24 AM) ppusa: CNBC
(11:24 AM) Daniel X: still need an ES pullbck on PnF
(11:24 AM) ppusa: Dan HOD nq?
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: good ?
(11:25 AM) ppusa: had 1-2-3 here, maybe HOD?
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: through pivot res 1 1180
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: and holding
(11:26 AM) ppusa: sold 85, bot 82.5 on 2
(11:26 AM) laniermasters: Danier, es resitaance 1049-51.25 based on highs 9/17-19.
(11:27 AM) Daniel X: thnx Lanier
(11:27 AM) laniermasters: also 1043.5 is a .618 retracement
(11:30 AM) Buffy_04364: did you get it working latkinso
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(11:32 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA when the MAs move through 1180 on NQ i expect a new high
(11:33 AM) elly_34: did retro get that surge up pls?
(11:33 AM) latkinso: No, I am still typing
(11:33 AM) elly_34: i was fixing my bar problem and missed this
(11:34 AM) latkinso: I have used the mic on this machine, It may not be working, 
(11:34 AM) latkinso: have not
(11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: we are all typing now latkinso
(11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: we talk at eod
(11:36 AM) Daniel X: brb
(11:36 AM) latkinso: did not know that
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 4m pyra
(11:36 AM) latkinso: very new to chatrooms
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: some do talk on mic all day
(11:36 AM) latkinso: on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart?
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: we opted to type so people can concentrate on trade and then go back and read what they missed or take a break anytime
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: yes in today's folder 
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: it is fighting the TOS
(11:37 AM) ppusa: Dow up, SP flat, nq down here
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: ticki showing accumulation still
(11:38 AM) latkinso: Where did the 4 min time frame develop?
(11:38 AM) Buffy_04364: don hall recommended it 
(11:38 AM) Buffy_04364: along with using the 16M with it
(11:38 AM) laniermasters: I think nq leading es and dj
(11:38 AM) latkinso: I missed that, In his book?
(11:39 AM) ppusa: last week's high 1223 and nq not even close
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: no during ensign talk that might be posted to howards website
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: don was there
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(11:40 AM) Daniel X: ES PnF pullback still not in
(11:40 AM) latkinso: How do I find that conversation?
(11:40 AM) ppusa: dow fell 10 pointswhat numbers Dan
(11:40 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA you track ES also on PnF?
(11:40 AM) Buffy_04364: www.ensignsoftware.com under FAQ if it is posted
(11:41 AM) ppusa: no...what numbers are u using es
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(11:41 AM) latkinso: ok. thx, is dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com?
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: .5/3
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: for what latkinso?
(11:41 AM) ppusa: sp went 49 to 47.3
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: my chart?
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: perfect 45 degree uptrend rule on PnF
(11:41 AM) latkinso: Can you nix the ads? Yes
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: pay 9.95 well worth it
(11:42 AM) Buffy_04364: for a year
(11:42 AM) ppusa: Dan i show es 49.25 to 47.25
(11:43 AM) Daniel X: saw that but my charts did not register the move
(11:43 AM) ppusa: that would have reversed it...yes?
(11:43 AM) ppusa: oh ok
(11:43 AM) ppusa: think should have because no matter what numbers it is basing on get 1.5
(11:44 AM) Daniel X: if it doesn't register i gfigure it means the move down was to fast to satisfy the chart
(11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 50T
(11:45 AM) Daniel X: here we go maybe now we'll get it
(11:46 AM) ppusa: what time frame
(11:46 AM) Daniel X: 5/1
(11:46 AM) ppusa: that explains it
(11:47 AM) ppusa: was engulfed in one bar
(11:47 AM) Daniel X: uh huh
(11:47 AM) Daniel X: still holding above the triple top breakout # @ 45
(11:48 AM) Daniel X: 45.5
(11:48 AM) ppusa: could be HOW here as well as HOD
(11:48 AM) ppusa: roll over, warning, roll over
(11:49 AM) ppusa: immenant doom
(11:49 AM) Daniel X: ah finally got it in th e chart
(11:49 AM) ppusa: need spell checker
(11:49 AM) Daniel X: 3 box ..lets see if we get the up move now
(11:49 AM) Daniel X: iminent
(11:49 AM) ppusa: nq on 200ma tick chart
(11:49 AM) ppusa: break here, look out
(11:50 AM) Daniel X: lol thats also wrong
(11:50 AM) ppusa: up trend  over
(11:50 AM) Buffy_04364: nice break on the TL on the 50T I posted
(11:51 AM) ppusa: imminent   emminant
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(11:51 AM) ppusa: hang on, i will look it up
(11:51 AM) Buffy_04364: now is the EMA going to hold again?
(11:51 AM) Daniel X: himanant
(11:51 AM) Buffy_04364: bouced right on BOS
(11:51 AM) Buffy_04364: bounced
(11:52 AM) MarkCA: is BOS a term related only to PnF charts?
(11:52 AM) Daniel X: as PP wud say ..now my ES PnF chart is satisfied with this pullback!
(11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: is it going to go back up and test bottom of TL
(11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: BOS is pyra for bottom of square
(11:52 AM) MarkCA: ok
(11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry maybe not many watching it and confusing people
(11:53 AM) ppusa: if HOW, and went short could make thousands
(11:54 AM) Daniel X: all depends on what point cut is priced in here
(11:54 AM) Daniel X: 25 or 50
(11:55 AM) Daniel X: whats bullish is that NQ is staying in obot since the open
(11:55 AM) Daniel X: and above MAs
(11:56 AM) laniermasters: ppusa, I think HOW also.
(11:56 AM) ppusa: immanent and imminent are both correct. in this dialogue, i think immanant is more appropriate
(11:57 AM) ppusa: forget it, suffice it to say, markets are going to tank
(11:57 AM) ppusa: maybe
(11:58 AM) Daniel X: lol
(11:58 AM) Daniel X: PnF ES possible more up ES
(11:59 AM) Daniel X: holding support very well
(11:59 AM) ppusa: yes no way for me to tell here except there are several warning signs
(11:59 AM) Daniel X: NQ sitting on the 20 Ma fence
(12:00 PM) ppusa: such as PnF's. last week's high
(12:00 PM) ppusa: deer here waiting for 15 point correction.
(12:00 PM) incline: hi guys, new here - what is PnF's please
(12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: point and figure
(12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: welcome
(12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: all kinds of systems represented here
(12:01 PM) incline: thanks
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(12:01 PM) Daniel X: btw me the fastest fingers in the west. 
(12:01 PM) Daniel X: sorry meet
(12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: guess I have the east LOL
(12:02 PM) abu saleh_2000: hello 
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: hi abu
(12:02 PM) Daniel X: no you in the western hemisphere
(12:02 PM) abu saleh_2000: any body hear me
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: no did not
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: testing bottom of TL now
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: but watchng cause of ma's
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: although pyra hints to down
(12:03 PM) dave_b_quik: we hear you, we're just being quiet
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: oh oh so that means I am broken again
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: need to exit
(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: brb
(12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: tks dave
(12:04 PM) Daniel X: nah broken is good
(12:04 PM) Daniel X: no interuptions
(12:04 PM) dave_b_quik: abu saleh left of his own accord
(12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: messes up my windows when I have to do that - oh well
(12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: volume has really dropped off
(12:05 PM) Daniel X: uh huh
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: chop until the feds?
(12:06 PM) Daniel X: uh huh
(12:06 PM) ppusa: 87 =  86 - 10 = 76 to reverse 10 point PnF which is not overextended but ripe to reverse
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: gee and jimbo not here with his guitar  :-(
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: tks pp
(12:07 PM) ppusa: 15 point has acrophobia so next new high if there is one could be top
(12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: this is like watching the leaves turn
(12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: k
(12:07 PM) Daniel X: are hey?
(12:07 PM) Daniel X: they?
(12:07 PM) Daniel X: can't tell
(12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: time line in pyra
(12:07 PM) ppusa: yes, going to toast bagel brb
(12:08 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds good
(12:08 PM) Daniel X: load of laundry..brb
(12:08 PM) Daniel X: if the market moves get one for me ..ill pay yah back
(12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
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(12:14 PM) elly_34: dave did retro take that short 2 bars back?
(12:16 PM) elly_34: any retro people?
(12:17 PM) Buffy_04364: he should have elly
(12:18 PM) elly_34: so in your opinion buffy would that inside bar then be the stop?
(12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(12:18 PM) elly_34: would be nice to backtest without the inside bar rule versus with that rule
(12:18 PM) Buffy_04364: dave can correct me if wrong
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it would and we are working on it
(12:19 PM) elly_34: sometimes it chops one out too easily
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: especially in the beginning
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: I think
(12:19 PM) elly_34: early in the day?
(12:20 PM) elly_34: or the beginning of the move?
(12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: beginning of move
(12:20 PM) elly_34: yes i agree
(12:20 PM) Daniel X:  finally NQ cmae down below obot
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: ADX on the bottom +D turning up
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(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I had pp bagel now to do daniels load of laundry  :-)
(12:21 PM) ppusa: nq playing games with me today, hit 76.5
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: ADX just turned it's nose up and we shall see ........
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: yes we shall
(12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: don't know validity of indicators the closer we get to announcement
(12:22 PM) ppusa: not nice to play games with your daddy
(12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: don't want to give anything back today
(12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(12:22 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted update to 4M pyra
(12:23 PM) ppusa: 9/0 today...one open...includes 4 doubles
(12:24 PM) Buffy_04364: great pp
(12:24 PM) Daniel X: aiy ya yie
(12:24 PM) ppusa: have to do
(12:24 PM) ppusa: missed the rally this am
(12:24 PM) ppusa: bot 59, sold 60
(12:24 PM) ppusa: inspite of buy signals
(12:24 PM) ppusa: shame onme
(12:25 PM) Daniel X:  well all i can say is stick to what u do best
(12:25 PM) Daniel X: scalping works in any market
(12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: yes and when starting that may only be one type of setup
(12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: then you can add others as you make them work too
(12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: I know one trader who does nothing but flags
(12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: that is it
(12:26 PM) Daniel X: hhmmm interesting
(12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought so too when talking it him daniel
(12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: it = to
(12:27 PM) Daniel X: i use to only take PnF  breakouts
(12:28 PM) ppusa: this morning i was convinced buy sig would be good because of overal pattern
(12:28 PM) ppusa: i've been burned many times taking PnF buys
(12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: ok load of laundry time
(12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: brb
(12:28 PM) Daniel X: you too ! lol Buffy
(12:28 PM) ppusa: usually better to buy pb than go with
(12:29 PM) ppusa: i got laundry everywhere i can't walk
(12:29 PM) Daniel X: yes been burned also but what's worse is i wouldn't hold the runners
(12:29 PM) ppusa: new hour here
(12:30 PM) ppusa: yes Dan, same here. Best when buy sig many charts including longer term
(12:30 PM) ppusa: 5 up hours
(12:31 PM) ppusa: trading near low of this one. will probably break
(12:31 PM) Daniel X: use to kick myself for not watching the 15 min PnF
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(12:31 PM) ppusa: no such thing
(12:31 PM) ppusa: u mean PnF on 15 min
(12:31 PM) Daniel X: yes
(12:32 PM) jimbo_320: good afternoon traders
(12:32 PM) ppusa: when i say longer term i mean wider point
(12:32 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo!
(12:32 PM) ppusa: hi jimbo
(12:32 PM) jimbo_320: having fun here :-)
(12:32 PM) ppusa: did you know this?
(12:33 PM) Daniel X: me?
(12:33 PM) ppusa: y
(12:33 PM) Daniel X: know what?
(12:33 PM) ppusa: when i say longer term i mean wider point 
(12:34 PM) Daniel X: u mean a daily?
(12:34 PM) ppusa: refer to
(12:34 PM) ppusa: no
(12:34 PM) Daniel X: or boxes
(12:34 PM) jimbo_320: spoos testing R1
(12:34 PM) ppusa: from say 10 point to 25 point
(12:35 PM) ppusa: this morning got buy sig on 3 thru 25 poiint
(12:35 PM) Daniel X: which is like saying 1/3/5/9/15/30/60
(12:35 PM) ppusa: yes
(12:35 PM) ppusa: just put them on appropriate time frame
(12:35 PM) elly_34: daniel , are u trading retro lately?
(12:35 PM) ppusa: can't put 50 point on one minute because ensign deletes after 2000 bars
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: no Elly
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: scalping ES
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: for 2 weeks now
(12:36 PM) jimbo_320: i was going to buy the overnight low this morning for 1034 :-) I will next time
(12:36 PM) ppusa: like to have them on shortest appropriate tf so i can see the reversals faster
(12:36 PM) elly_34: any reason u are preferring that over retro now?
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: yes have the same set up
(12:37 PM) elly_34: u are using retro for es?
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: no Elly
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: 9/5/1
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: scalps
(12:37 PM) ppusa: Hey Bim...sorry Jimbo, sometimes overnight good. 
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: i ususally stick to 3 box rev
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: 1.5 to .5 size
(12:38 PM) ppusa: 25 point could be 8x3 or 5x5
(12:38 PM) elly_34: i see, i thought u were doing awesome with retro, so didn't realize u switched
(12:39 PM) Daniel X: Elly yes was doing ok with Retro on NQ but alot of chop these pass 2 weeks...wanted to see how ES traded
(12:39 PM) elly_34: u doing well with ES now?
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(12:40 PM) Daniel X: yes but PP doesn't the early reversal signal s u get make u come out and then kick urself for not holding?
(12:40 PM) Daniel X:  not as good Elly but determined to 
(12:41 PM) ppusa: not really
(12:41 PM) ppusa: kinda but...
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(12:41 PM) ppusa: biggest problem going for reversal and not getting one
(12:42 PM) ppusa: if i have a buy on a 25, then could buy every reversal on a 5 until the 25 got obot
(12:42 PM) jimbo_320: posted es daily review
(12:42 PM) ppusa: then when ALL obot, reverse position
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: well for example my setup is telling me that ES pulled back nicely and a 3 box on the 5 min was the most that was printed..on the 1 min it printed 4 boxes so....good support and up we go
(12:43 PM) ppusa: must be able to put all charts together into constructive trade
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: well of course they have to flow into each other
(12:43 PM) ppusa: yes unless all obot and go straight down
(12:44 PM) ppusa: must fit into daily, weekly, hourly,etc pattern
(12:44 PM) ppusa: why take a buy sig at HOD?
(12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: nice jimbo tks
(12:44 PM) Daniel X: charts not saying obot yet to me
(12:44 PM) ppusa: buy sig will reverse into sell
(12:45 PM) jimbo_320: posted nqoos review
(12:45 PM) ppusa: true here...15 is but one chart doesn't make a trade
(12:45 PM) ppusa: but then there is the hourly too
(12:46 PM) ppusa: i think willfail so haven't re-entered yet
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: volume has to p/u
(12:46 PM) ppusa: sold 75, hit 76.5 waiting for 70ish area
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: ok we went up two boxes then sideways two while price caught up with time
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: now we have a time line
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: should be interesting
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: but who knows with feds
(12:47 PM) ppusa: 200 ma on 1 min and 50 on 5 min catching up
(12:47 PM) jimbo_320: i think we will sell off on the news
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: ema or simple pp
(12:47 PM) Daniel X: 48.5 DT break
(12:47 PM) ppusa: dow back up
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra suggests that jimbo
(12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: just don't know though
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: 49
(12:48 PM) ppusa: HOW may not be in based on daily
(12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: what is built into the market in your opinion 25 or 50
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: 50
(12:48 PM) ppusa: all i am saying is if it is today somewhere, make big $$$
(12:48 PM) jimbo_320: mega volume this lunchtime
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: 25 for economy 25 for the war
(12:49 PM) ppusa: who should we wake up today QSuzy or sunny_850?
(12:49 PM) ppusa: ever heard from either?
(12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: posted a ticki alert chart
(12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: yes more opinions and thought would be nice
(12:50 PM) ppusa: pick one
(12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: then we have to think diabolically like T too  :-)
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(12:51 PM) ppusa: remember T said bottom for nq awhile back
(12:51 PM) jimbo_320: 34 was a trenline retracement on the 15min
(12:51 PM) ppusa: when she visited
(12:51 PM) jimbo_320: NQ looks pants imo
(12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember her asking why hadn't it sold off more
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: sell the news has been the reaction...this time again?
(12:52 PM) ppusa: yea whatever it was, here we are 200 lower
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo ..still holding that 29 long from yesterday?
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:52 PM) ppusa: going for 3?
(12:53 PM) jimbo_320: y 10 contracts you beaut
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: ha
(12:53 PM) ppusa: this hour 78 to 81.5 nq
(12:53 PM) ppusa: going for the 78
(12:53 PM) jimbo_320: will dump it on the spike up today at 2.05 
(12:54 PM) ppusa: HEY QSUZY, YOU HERE!!!!
(12:54 PM) jimbo_320: looking for 50 points
(12:54 PM) Daniel X: 80?
(12:54 PM) ppusa: HEY QSUZY, YOU HERE!!!! 
(12:54 PM) ppusa: YOU GUYS GETTING THIS ON pALtALK 3.5 IN LARGE FONT?
(12:55 PM) Daniel X: yes
(12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: just caps ppusa
(12:55 PM) ppusa: HEY QSUZY, YOU HERE!!!! 
(12:55 PM) ppusa: how about that
(12:55 PM) Daniel X: caps
(12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: need 4 to see diff
(12:55 PM) jimbo_320: ppusa you have discovered the caps lock key, well done...
(12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: does script still disappear in 4?
(12:55 PM) ppusa: oh well
(12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why I didn't upgrade
(12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: if fixed will do it
(12:56 PM) ppusa: 200ma 1 min
(12:56 PM) ppusa: broken
(12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: soisn't BOS  
(12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: needs to close below it
(12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: to be valid as far as pyra concerned
(12:56 PM) ppusa: who 's your daddy
(12:56 PM) ppusa: lower low i hour
(12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(12:57 PM) ppusa: 10 point reversal
(12:57 PM) ppusa: going for 15?
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: BOS at 1170
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: not enough volume for me 
(12:57 PM) elly_34: buffy could u tell me where your pyra is anchored pls?
(12:58 PM) ppusa: don't necessarily have to get 15 right now
(12:58 PM) elly_34: date, bar time?
(12:58 PM) ppusa: holding out for it here but could bounce
(12:58 PM) ppusa: everyone in room should have sold 81 area
(12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: 10:26 bar on 9/28
(12:58 PM) elly_34: k tu
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: you guys get alll that
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: ?
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: not with this low volume I didn't pp
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: guess not
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: that was my poke bar pp
(01:00 PM) ppusa: what script PalTalk Buffy
(01:00 PM) ppusa: mine fine
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: the room text used to disappear when people first used version 4
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: so it wasn't there to save
(01:00 PM) QSuzy: HI PPUSA.....yep I'm here but just barely......I'm logged in to PalTalk but am really trying to complete long overdue taxes..... 
(01:01 PM) ppusa: Hi Suzy
(01:01 PM) ppusa: You trader?
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(01:02 PM) ppusa: Buffy i had trouble saving and emailing to you but that may have been with 3.5
(01:03 PM) Daniel X: brb
(01:03 PM) ppusa: sp doing face plant
(01:03 PM) QSuzy: ppusa....Hi....yes, I trade NQ but not this week.....got lots of paperwork and travel later in the week......I'll be around starting next week more than I have been....
(01:04 PM) ppusa: ok, wake you again next week
(01:04 PM) ppusa: i'll go after someone else
(01:04 PM) QSuzy: ppusa....now wake up sunny!   :-)
(01:05 PM) ppusa: what happened to Loomis?
(01:05 PM) ppusa: YO!!!   sunny_850
(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: bk for the fed later
(01:06 PM) ppusa: HELLO!!!   sunny_850 
(01:09 PM) ppusa: looks like nq top of trading channel
(01:09 PM) ppusa: nasty sell off coming?
(01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: no guitar while we are waiting jimbo?
(01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra thinks so
(01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: still no volume
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(01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: don't trust a thing right now
(01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: sitting on hands
(01:10 PM) ppusa: i have buy to cover in at 71.5...shold probably stay out
(01:11 PM) ppusa: haven't really tested today's low
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(01:12 PM) ppusa: 15 min bar lows of 72.5, 73 and now 73.5
(01:12 PM) ppusa: support ma's around 60 and change
(01:14 PM) ppusa: music please
(01:16 PM) latkinso: Buffy, could I get your setting for the info at the bottom of the charts you are posting?
(01:17 PM) latkinso: Mine looks very different
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: asi is an espl script 
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: if you don't have version of ensign from last night
(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: stoch is 45/3/5 with any blocked out
(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: rsiis 3
(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: rsi
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: obv is 1 on h=l/2
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: (H+L)/2
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: does that help?
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: oh the new version of ensign also lets you watch what happens to like the stoch when you are still in properties windows changing the parameters
(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: kind of cool
(01:20 PM) fcb37uk: $tick breaking downward
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: I have had no problems with it so might want to download after market
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: also has log scale
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is fcb
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
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(01:21 PM) ppusa: i keep forgetting to ask Howard to add a study where you could "capture" any number of bars and ask for average range. Anyone interested?
(01:22 PM) ppusa: predict average daily range, hourly, etc
(01:22 PM) ppusa: noone interested?
(01:23 PM) ppusa: someone?
(01:23 PM) ppusa: anyone?
(01:23 PM) Roger Schelling: You can do that now ?
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: thinking
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought you could do something like that now with atr
(01:24 PM) ppusa: atr???
(01:24 PM) Roger Schelling: atr=Average True Range
(01:24 PM) ppusa: Roger, you know how?
(01:24 PM) Roger Schelling: Whihc version you have ?
(01:24 PM) ppusa: 8/15
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: you are way behind there guy
(01:25 PM) ppusa: didn't want beta
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: atr = average true range
(01:25 PM) Roger Schelling: I think you unselect Keltner, or at least select ATR, then you have a AVE selection on the left of properties screen ?
(01:25 PM) ppusa: you had problems
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: yes but seem to be all gone now
(01:26 PM) ppusa: look in minute...abiout to get filled
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: it has been realeased to the public now too
(01:26 PM) ppusa: maybe
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: no longer a beta
(01:26 PM) Roger Schelling: I just posted the ATR window, but it is version 10/1/01
(01:26 PM) ppusa: finally filled 71.5
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: so roger how would you set the parameters for ATR of 10 bars?
(01:26 PM) ppusa: took long enough
(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: or whatever #
(01:27 PM) Roger Schelling: The "ave" selection on the elft
(01:27 PM) ppusa: should have waited for high 60's
(01:27 PM) Roger Schelling: lef
(01:27 PM) Roger Schelling: t
(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: I see so the multiple is on 1 not zero like I tried
(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(01:27 PM) ppusa: ok, checking...give me a minute
(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: ok and then you hide it but it still shows in study window right?
(01:29 PM) ppusa: Roger chart name?
(01:29 PM) Roger Schelling: Posted ES daily, ATR =26.48 for ten day ave as of today
(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: latkinso - did you figure out the pyra?
(01:29 PM) Roger Schelling: pp
(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: rogerS3
(01:29 PM) Roger Schelling: RogerS2.gif
(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: for window
(01:30 PM) Roger Schelling: then RogerS3.gif is daily
(01:30 PM) Roger Schelling: oh
(01:30 PM) Roger Schelling: ur right Buffy
(01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: rogerS3 is properties window
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(01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: so the ATR of 2648 on RogerS4 says what roger
(01:31 PM) ppusa: so ATR is a new study?
(01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: don't think so ppusa
(01:32 PM) Roger Schelling: The avererage daily range is just 26.48 points
(01:32 PM) Roger Schelling: 10 day average
(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: ok thanks that is what I thought
(01:32 PM) Roger Schelling: When you move the cursor back it will give the previous 10 days etc.
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: so if you wanted daily on 5 min you would multiply
(01:33 PM) Roger Schelling: no
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: but then it would be changing
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: ok
(01:33 PM) Roger Schelling: just put ATR on the 5min, it will ave last 10 bars
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: best used on daily only then
(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: ?
(01:33 PM) Roger Schelling: I like like it on intraday too
(01:34 PM) Roger Schelling: so I get a clue on how much a 3-4 bar sclp could be worth
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: but if did 43 bar avg that would be close to daily right
(01:34 PM) ppusa: so roger 4 has ATR at bottom of chart as a study?   AND ATR must be a study that i don't have on my version
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: it is in the study window on the left pp
(01:34 PM) Roger Schelling: Study window on left reads out ATR
(01:34 PM) Roger Schelling: Yes you have it PP
(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: so you still run 10 on the 5M roger?
(01:35 PM) Roger Schelling: It is called Keltner/ ?(something) under studies
(01:35 PM) Roger Schelling: Yes I do Buffy
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: the studies are listed out in the latest version
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: no more hidden ones
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: k
(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: tks roger
(01:36 PM) Roger Schelling: Right, ATR was hidden or shared with Keltner
(01:36 PM) Roger Schelling: Only 10/01 version separates them
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: did you get the version after he fixed asi roger?
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: the first one inverted it for me
(01:37 PM) Roger Schelling: ATR on 1 Min ES is .6 points :) Not much to work with there right now, for 3 bar moves 
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: although I don't think he knows why yet
(01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: ok see how you do it
(01:38 PM) Roger Schelling: dunno have not looked at ASI let me try
(01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: the espl writes accum and ensign write accumulation
(01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: under studies
(01:39 PM) MarkCA: fed still heavily support this decline
(01:40 PM) Roger Schelling: Posted ASI on 1 minute, does that look right ?
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(01:40 PM) ppusa: okay i see it as a line. Your post shows it as a bar currently descending (or was at timie of post)
(01:41 PM) Roger Schelling: Finally a 1 minute bar with 500 contracts on ES
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(01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: asi follows price roger
(01:41 PM) ppusa: little confused here because parameters shows it as H+L divided by 2
(01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: not that familiar with it on 1 M
(01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: smallest I use is 4 and I have posted a few of those today for you to compare
(01:42 PM) Roger Schelling: ok
(01:42 PM) ppusa: and i want H+L of last say 10 bars divided by 10
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: don't think that is the way calculated pp
(01:43 PM) ppusa: actually i want H-Lx10 bara divided by 10
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: takes average of h l and divides by 10
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm wonder what the math difference is on each
(01:44 PM) jam_27: is any body short the es now
(01:44 PM) Daniel X: not me
(01:44 PM) ppusa: anyway would help to predict daily range
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: setting should be one on that asi window roger
(01:44 PM) ppusa: remind me whether it was in or not
(01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: if you want to match the espl
(01:45 PM) Roger Schelling: ok
(01:45 PM) Daniel X: average daily range is 40
(01:45 PM) Daniel X: NQ
(01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: the second download last night matched espl pixel for pixel
(01:45 PM) ppusa: based on?
(01:46 PM) Daniel X: average
(01:46 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:46 PM) ppusa: your numbers or?
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: figured how 
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: like atr in ensign
(01:46 PM) ppusa: you computed or???
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: or way pp wants to do it
(01:46 PM) Daniel X: low high in past months
(01:47 PM) ppusa: who says
(01:47 PM) ppusa: source
(01:47 PM) Daniel X: charts
(01:47 PM) ppusa: who did math?
(01:47 PM) Daniel X: before 9/11 started to expand to 60
(01:47 PM) ppusa: you or a study
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: me..so don't buy it!
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: 5.80 for atr on daily nq here with 10 as setting
(01:48 PM) ppusa: have you been gone from chat for awhile?
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: 2 rooms
(01:49 PM) ppusa: Buffy 5.8 doesn't match 40
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: but he said months 
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: I am doing days
(01:49 PM) ppusa: we were discussing this while you were gone
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: guess I missed something as been here all the time
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry
(01:49 PM) ppusa: well i know range on nq bigger than 5.8 daily
(01:50 PM) ppusa: not you buf, Dan
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe decimal wrong and is 58.02
(01:51 PM) ppusa: I didn't follow you and Roger very well but if you do ATR and come up with a number close to 40, I'll buy your settings
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: that makes more sense
(01:51 PM) Roger Schelling: RogerS7.gif, NQ daily 10 day ave = 58.02 ?
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what I just got roger
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(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: had decimal wrong
(01:51 PM) Daniel X: yes 58 would be right
(01:51 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:52 PM) Daniel X: 40 was prior 9/11
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: hate it when they aren't there
(01:52 PM) Daniel X: we were expanding to 60
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: different programs want them different places and who is me to remember them all LOL
(01:52 PM) ppusa: Roger, is that from the bars at the bottom of your chart?
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: on the left in studies window ppusa
(01:53 PM) ppusa: thank you all
(01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: is the bars on bottom visual of it roger
(01:53 PM) ppusa: i will check it out
(01:53 PM) ppusa: In the meantine....
(01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: or just volume like it looks
(01:53 PM) ppusa: if 58 today's range is not in
(01:54 PM) ppusa: so if spike after Fed, short it
(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: doing it on volume might help also
(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: tick climbing again
(01:55 PM) Roger Schelling: Just Volume on the bottom.
(01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: also went back above BOS
(01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: walking up the diagonal now
(01:55 PM) ppusa: not only that but intraday low is 1152 so plus 58=1200
(01:55 PM) Roger Schelling: PP move the cursor along the the bars from today backwards, and watch ATR
(01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: ever try it on volume roger to see when picking up?
(01:55 PM) ppusa: yes Roger, thank you VERY much. I will check itout after the close
(01:56 PM) Roger Schelling: no but i have a line on the 1 min chart at 500
(01:56 PM) latkinso: Buffy: do you know how to change times or contracts and it will put the same studies on as the one you are currently working on
(01:57 PM) jam_27: Roger, does that mean that you wait for he vol to hit 500 before you trade
(01:57 PM) Roger Schelling: RogerS8.gif show the 500 line in volume on 1 min ES
(01:57 PM) Roger Schelling: jam
(01:57 PM) jam_27: thx
(01:58 PM) Roger Schelling: when less than 500 very manipulated IMHO. patterns don't work well
(01:58 PM) jam_27: none of my patterns work well anyway
(01:58 PM) ppusa: so i placed an order to sell 1 nq at 1201.5
(01:59 PM) Roger Schelling: You can trade. But THMAR(Take the money and run ) :)
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: make them a template
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: click the save first
(02:00 PM) jimbo_320: bk any news?
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: the only thing you will have to add is the pyra draw tool
(02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: studies will go on with one template now
(02:01 PM) ppusa: 1170 area is 200 ma on hour chart. If nq closes above this today, would be bullish
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(02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: no news jimbo and no guitar either like last time :-(
(02:02 PM) jimbo_320: been a dull day has it ?
(02:05 PM) elly_34: when is the announcement pls?
(02:05 PM) jimbo_320: very low vol day
(02:05 PM) Roger Schelling: 2:15 EDT
(02:06 PM) jimbo_320: roger what was the num of contracts per min you reckoned es needed to get patterns to work reliably?
(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone have news or should I turn on cnnbc
(02:06 PM) ppusa: i have cnbc 
(02:06 PM) Roger Schelling: Buffy you or anyone else ever use the OCA in IB ?
(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: k
(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't have ib
(02:07 PM) Roger Schelling: oh
(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: use pfgbest
(02:07 PM) Roger Schelling: forgot
(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: np
(02:07 PM) jimbo_320: setting up a potential h+s on es
(02:08 PM) Roger Schelling: Tempting on days like this. OCA = One Cancels ALL, could but in a short and long order. When one is filled the others are cancelled :)
(02:08 PM) Roger Schelling: could put in
(02:09 PM) jimbo_320: roger
(02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: why other acts as quick stop or there to change easily
(02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: is my thoughts
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(02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: I box in ranges all the time and whichever one is filled move the other to where I want stop
(02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: works
(02:11 PM) Roger Schelling: yea ok, i remember you telling some about that
(02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: I think we talked about it on that chart that had the 3 poke bars on the triangle - 2 up and 1 down
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(02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: had stops off of both
(02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: up and down
(02:12 PM) ppusa: 2 minutes
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: hate waiting like this
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: but fun to watch the price gyrate
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(02:13 PM) ppusa: spike down and rally
(02:13 PM) jam_27: Buffy , will you trade the news
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: is that what your crystal ball is saying pp
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: no
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I saw one time little over a year ago
(02:14 PM) jimbo_320: yeehaa
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: up a lot then quickly turned and went down
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: no way
(02:14 PM) ppusa: prespike
(02:14 PM) dave_b_quik: somebody gettin jumpy 
(02:14 PM) skyprince_1: Nervous nellies....
(02:14 PM) MarkCA: it would have been pretty hard to catch that with a stop 
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: lol
(02:14 PM) ppusa: announcement is out but i haven't heard
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: with anything
(02:14 PM) ppusa: soneone knows
(02:14 PM) skyprince_1: Screws up indicators...
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: so shouldn't the first 5 or 10 minutes
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: what is T's rule wait 15min?
(02:15 PM) jimbo_320: people will put stop orders in just before announcement
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: yep and get taken out
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: lol
(02:15 PM) ppusa: saw spike down and rally
(02:15 PM) ppusa: 50 point
(02:15 PM) dave_b_quik: i haven't heard the news, but looking at the chart i'll guess 1/4 point?
(02:15 PM) ppusa: cut
(02:15 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks, ppusa
(02:15 PM) MarkCA: 50 pts
(02:15 PM) ppusa: 50 point
(02:15 PM) elly_34: .50
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: we needed it
(02:15 PM) ppusa: 50 point discount too
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: now to get his stimulus package out of the way
(02:15 PM) rich012: now it will come right back down
(02:16 PM) ppusa: up
(02:16 PM) jimbo_320: 10 point doji on es 1
(02:16 PM) skyprince_1: Comments not good...
(02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: gee on time line too
(02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: this always messes up the charts
(02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: always
(02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra leaning toward down still
(02:17 PM) Daniel X: like i said 25 for economy 25 for war effort
(02:17 PM) ppusa: rich got it
(02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: where is orp when you need him
(02:18 PM) jimbo_320: is retro short 61?
(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: have a big ? about the prem now
(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: 30 T tested low
(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: or did he go long LOL
(02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: selling showing up on ticki
(02:20 PM) jimbo_320: 38.8 is es pivot
(02:20 PM) skyprince_1: I assume retro stays out during these gyrations?
(02:20 PM) Daniel X: very positive imo
(02:21 PM) ppusa: no big deal
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: markets holding so far
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: yep now right back to earnings i guess
(02:21 PM) ppusa: yes, sold off every time lately
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(02:22 PM) ppusa: expected
(02:22 PM) ppusa: now see if can recover
(02:23 PM) ppusa: dow +22
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: yes it has but like i tried to point out this time might be a different case
(02:23 PM) dave_b_quik: still right in the middle of the days small range
(02:23 PM) jimbo_320: at we have some volume
(02:23 PM) ppusa: no trades here
(02:23 PM) Orprepus: morning all
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: thats the top?
(02:24 PM) Daniel X: sorry wrong window
(02:24 PM) ppusa: speaking of Orp...
(02:24 PM) Orprepus: hey - @home service has been effective by the going chap 11
(02:25 PM) elly_34: well that was a non event
(02:26 PM) skyprince_1: (yawn)
(02:26 PM) Orprepus: thak you Mr. Greenspan
(02:26 PM) ppusa: @home went 11?
(02:26 PM) Buffy_04364: hi orp!
(02:26 PM) Orprepus: delete the past three bars(4M) and what has changed?
(02:26 PM) skyprince_1: How about the Fed paying us to borrow $$$$?  
(02:26 PM) Orprepus: hi buffy
(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: do you do the same with the prem?
(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: just forget about that wild bar
(02:27 PM) Orprepus: oh yeah
(02:27 PM) skyprince_1: (pulls out eraser)
(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: lol
(02:28 PM) Orprepus: LOL
(02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: ticki is nuts too
(02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: arrows on both ends of bars 
(02:28 PM) Orprepus: need .75 to get an effect
(02:28 PM) jam_27: at least it did't mess up the daily range
(02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: testing low
(02:29 PM) Orprepus: look at tick - unreal
(02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: it is all nuts
(02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: held
(02:30 PM) Orprepus: dow and tran diverg
(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: what does that usually mean orp?
(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: look for a move
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(02:32 PM) Orprepus: means not in synch usually tran wins
(02:32 PM) ppusa: retested low and so far have held
(02:32 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks
(02:34 PM) jimbo_320: triangle on 1min closing
(02:35 PM) jimbo_320: is ib working?
(02:36 PM) MarkCA: yes
(02:36 PM) skyprince_1: My IB works
(02:36 PM) MarkCA: you all have the new version i hope
(02:37 PM) jimbo_320: mine packed up
(02:38 PM) jimbo_320: dow lod
(02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: wonder if greeny ever wishes he could take back that last rate increase
(02:39 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL, he makes money at both ends
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(02:41 PM) Daniel X: excess redemtion $ will come onto play in the coming months
(02:41 PM) jimbo_320: bloody fine time for a new version download
(02:41 PM) jimbo_320: can u turn off the auto download?
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(02:47 PM) Daniel X: anybody in this?
(02:48 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo Buffy PP?
(02:48 PM) jimbo_320: n
(02:48 PM) Daniel X: thats 1
(02:48 PM) jimbo_320: downloading new version
(02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: tied one for -2
(02:49 PM) Daniel X: oh ok PP must be long
(02:49 PM) Buffy_04364: flat now
(02:49 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(02:50 PM) Daniel X: PP must be long from 50 and trying to keep his finger off the scalp buttom
(02:51 PM) ppusa: napping
(02:52 PM) Daniel X: markets holding up well
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(02:52 PM) Daniel X: yah right!
(02:52 PM) Daniel X: no way
(02:52 PM) Daniel X: when we hit 1200 ur gonna tell me that ur a good liar
(02:52 PM) Daniel X: and bought the 50
(02:53 PM) ppusa: had to close them for a minute
(02:53 PM) Daniel X: it's ok don't answer me!
(02:54 PM) ppusa: in
(02:55 PM) ppusa: trouble
(02:55 PM) ppusa: 878 minus 58 is?
(02:55 PM) ppusa: 87 minus 58 is
(02:55 PM) Daniel X: ha
(02:56 PM) ppusa: 200 ma on 30 tick steep decline
(02:57 PM) rich012: take a hike
(02:57 PM) rich012: see ya
(02:57 PM) rich012: adios
(02:57 PM) rich012: hit the hiway
(02:57 PM) Daniel X: bye ybe
(02:57 PM) Daniel X: bye bye
(02:57 PM) rich012: don't let the door hit your )*&*&^& on the way out
(02:58 PM) dave_b_quik: wow, wait 'til you guys all have hammers...
(02:58 PM) jimbo_320: this 38 still holding 4 now?
(02:58 PM) Orprepus: no paintball for you two this afternoon
(02:59 PM) laniermasters: 200 ema on 30 tick looks like a sliding board.
(03:02 PM) ppusa: can't get past 53 on nq
(03:02 PM) ppusa: yet
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(03:03 PM) Daniel X: 35.50 ES PnF breakdown #
(03:03 PM) German Girla: hi everyone
(03:04 PM) ppusa: here we go
(03:04 PM) ppusa: higher low
(03:04 PM) Daniel X: ;-)
(03:04 PM) Oscar5: hi room
(03:04 PM) ppusa: nope failed again
(03:05 PM) skyprince_1: Hi
(03:05 PM) Daniel X: Buffy has a leaf turned yet?!
(03:05 PM) Oscar5: whereabout have u
(03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: lol almost
(03:05 PM) Oscar5: skypr
(03:05 PM) Daniel X: green to red  or red to green?!!LOL
(03:05 PM) Oscar5: what is subject
(03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: oh some yellow has shown up
(03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: we trade the eminis
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: ha 
(03:06 PM) German Girla: any germans around here?
(03:07 PM) wayne_53: has anyone else's charts stopped?
(03:07 PM) Daniel X: Enema time!?
(03:07 PM) dloomis: shhhh
(03:07 PM) Oscar5: what's enema?
(03:07 PM) wayne_53: there they go
(03:07 PM) jimbo_320: anyone used that interactive analytics on ib?
(03:08 PM) ppusa: hegogogog
(03:08 PM) ppusa: got it haha
(03:08 PM) Daniel X: good
(03:08 PM) ppusa: +2
(03:08 PM) dave_b_quik: you guys don't need a hammer
(03:08 PM) ppusa: just to say i could
(03:09 PM) dave_b_quik: i don't think i have that version yet, jimbo
(03:10 PM) jimbo_320: delta vega gamma theta  position risk, not sure i want to know...
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(03:11 PM) dave_b_quik: oh, options stuff
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: We've all been looking for some kind of signal to bet back in on retro after two consecutive losses.  The answer becomes somewhat objective and subject to interpretation.  Try this.
(03:11 PM) dave_b_quik: OK
(03:11 PM) wayne_53: Whenever you stand aside bring up a 3min. chart with the ADX(14) on it.
(03:12 PM) dave_b_quik: OK, got one
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(03:12 PM) wayne_53: Don't go back in til the ADX turns up.  Many times keeps you out of losing trades
(03:12 PM) Daniel X: interesrting
(03:13 PM) wayne_53: In fact I would even consider after one loss stepping aside if ADX(14) is headed down.  Don't go back til it turns up.  Check it out for yourself.  The best answer I've seen for this common problem
(03:14 PM) dave_b_quik: interesting, i'll watch that
(03:14 PM) abbey_11: Hello group
(03:14 PM) wayne_53: Occasionally it will delay your entry on a good signal but the rewards far outway that occasional problem
(03:14 PM) abbey_11: Abbey Joseph Cohen here
(03:14 PM) Orprepus: good input wayne
(03:14 PM) wayne_53: your welcome
(03:14 PM) abbey_11: i believe stocks are an attractive value
(03:14 PM) Orprepus: lol
(03:15 PM) abbey_11: Have all of you been buying
(03:15 PM) elly_34: hahahahaah
(03:15 PM) elly_34: yes abbey we've  been following u
(03:15 PM) abbey_11: what is lol?
(03:15 PM) abbey_11: Oh good to hear
(03:15 PM) Orprepus: roflol
(03:15 PM) elly_34: secret code abbey
(03:15 PM) elly_34: only known by us
(03:15 PM) wayne_53: On the ES it's been headed down since 14:21 and still headed south.  Don't think I'd really want to be trading during that period and the ADX confirms it
(03:15 PM) Orprepus: lol is a buy signal
(03:15 PM) abbey_11: Maybe someday I will be accepted into your group...I have may things to share
(03:15 PM) dbphoenix: Wayne, why 3m in particular?  Have you tracked it with 5 or 10?
(03:16 PM) dave_b_quik: when's the best time to short, abbey?
(03:16 PM) abbey_11: Must go now...Nice chatting with you
(03:16 PM) wayne_53: I've been experimenting with different times.  5m will delay your entry too long in some cases
(03:16 PM) abbey_11: Soon, when the Nas is at 1050
(03:16 PM) abbey_11: bye bye
(03:16 PM) dbphoenix: At the top, Dave.  I thought you knew.
(03:16 PM) dave_b_quik: i think abbey meant i should short the bottom
(03:17 PM) dbphoenix: Thx, Wayne.
(03:17 PM) Orprepus: lol
(03:17 PM) elly_34: yes
(03:17 PM) elly_34: and buy the top
(03:17 PM) wayne_53: Anthing longer will really dealy your entry and you'll miss some good opportunities
(03:17 PM) wayne_53: your welcome
(03:17 PM) Daniel X: 43.50 ES volume peak all day long
(03:17 PM) dbphoenix: Say it isn't true, Dave.
(03:17 PM) ppusa: was bumped...did i miss anything
(03:17 PM) dbphoenix: Abby came to visit.
(03:17 PM) BrainStorm: did I miss all the excitement ?
(03:18 PM) ppusa: who?
(03:18 PM) jimbo_320: yeha gogogo
(03:18 PM) dave_b_quik: we were waiting for you to announce LOD, ppusa
(03:18 PM) dbphoenix: Abby Joseph Cohen.  And you missed it all.
(03:18 PM) ppusa: really, and I missed her. Shucks
(03:18 PM) jimbo_320: 38 strikes again
(03:18 PM) ppusa: Sorry Dave, bot 53
(03:19 PM) ppusa: thought you all figured that out
(03:19 PM) ppusa: key was watching 200 tick ma
(03:19 PM) ppusa: turns first
(03:19 PM) ppusa: don't kniow about LOD though
(03:19 PM) ppusa: dow +28
(03:21 PM) ppusa: was going to say watch the 15 min for retro buy 'cos 10 and 15 PNF osold but was bumped
(03:22 PM) ppusa: Still can't believe i missed Abbey
(03:22 PM) ppusa: oh well
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(03:22 PM) ppusa: am i talkng to myself
(03:22 PM) ppusa: No how are you ppusa?
(03:23 PM) ppusa: i am fine thanks, and you
(03:23 PM) ppusa: doing good
(03:23 PM) ppusa: what are your stats for today?
(03:23 PM) ppusa: let me check...brb
(03:23 PM) ppusa: 11/0 ppusa
(03:24 PM) ppusa: oh, that's great
(03:24 PM) ppusa: did you buy this last dip?
(03:24 PM) ppusa: sure did!!!
(03:24 PM) ppusa: still in?
(03:24 PM) ppusa: no i am not
(03:24 PM) ppusa: Why did you get out?
(03:24 PM) ppusa: don't know
(03:24 PM) laniermasters: ppusa, your buy signal was when price crossed over 200 ema on 30 tick chart and stayed there for a few bars?
(03:25 PM) ppusa: maybe next time
(03:25 PM) jimbo_320: gap close on es?
(03:25 PM) ppusa: excuse me ppusa, i have to answer a question. Seems someone else is in the room
(03:26 PM) jimbo_320: 900 ticks
(03:27 PM) ppusa: I buy when i see overextended PnF's along with "V's" on 30 tick chart. Confirmation is the break of the 200 ma
(03:27 PM) laniermasters: thx
(03:27 PM) ppusa: all the while trying to keep in mind where we are on a daily chart
(03:28 PM) ispe_bc: ema or sma?
(03:28 PM) ppusa: because if inside day, good idea to ignore some charts and wait ...simple although i never looked at ema
(03:29 PM) ppusa: simple has worked so whatever
(03:29 PM) jam_27: was10 50 resitance on es
(03:29 PM) ppusa: gee dow +54
(03:29 PM) jimbo_320: dow hod
(03:30 PM) ppusa: nasdaq is not even dead cat
(03:30 PM) ispe_bc: thanks. I like simple for longer ma usually
(03:30 PM) ppusa: now can i get baqck to talking to myself
(03:32 PM) ppusa: 10 and 15 point reversed
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(03:33 PM) ppusa: charts work well....hopefully everyone has seen that as i have gone through some of the trades
(03:34 PM) ppusa: also anyone looking at tick chart would have seen the obot at the high of this last rally
(03:34 PM) ppusa: i was to busy talking to myself, but the point is again, the chart works
(03:35 PM) ppusa: 50/50 here imo
(03:35 PM) jimbo_320: out half for +5
(03:37 PM) Ensign Software: hi buffy, and others.  I gather Oct 1st version worked well for you today and the built in ASI is approved of?
(03:37 PM) Ensign Software: I see lots of great charts continue to be posted on the dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart web site.
(03:39 PM) ppusa: Howard I don't know what people are doing here but they are very quiet. I think everyone was long and got smoked on the last sell off.
(03:40 PM) Ensign Software: k, thanks, does seem too quiet in here
(03:40 PM) jimbo_320: tank
(03:40 PM) ppusa: i have tried to assure them if they hold their positions long enough, they will come out ahead
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(03:41 PM) jimbo_320: good to make quids on the long side instead of short
(03:41 PM) ppusa: Any suggestions...I threw out the year 3000 as a nice round number
(03:41 PM) Ensign Software: are you talking about today's sell off in NQ or the crash following Sept 11th?
(03:41 PM) Orprepus: still waiting for 1600 and 1800
(03:42 PM) ppusa: today
(03:42 PM) ppusa: see finally got a rise out of Orp
(03:42 PM) ppusa: Funny Orp, so am I
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(03:42 PM) jimbo_320: quiet here is noone trading?
(03:42 PM) ppusa: Dow +95
(03:43 PM) Orprepus: Howard thanks for the new release with ASI as a study - it is great!!
(03:43 PM) jimbo_320: out +10 on the rest  :-)
(03:43 PM) Ensign Software: do you also like the dynamic update of the study as you adjust parameters using the spinner arrows on the parameter form?
(03:43 PM) jimbo_320: ripper
(03:44 PM) ppusa: you buy down there JImbo?
(03:44 PM) Orprepus: oh that is new also - will try on PP
(03:44 PM) Ensign Software: works on PP too
(03:44 PM) Orprepus: very cool
(03:45 PM) Orprepus: oh I really like this
(03:45 PM) Buffy_04364: hi howard
Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni.  Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com
WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk.
(03:46 PM) Daniel X: i cancelled my 42 9 min got in 48.50 out 52.75
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: really a good job howard
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: no problems here at all
(03:47 PM) ppusa: was napping...got caught unaware
(03:47 PM) Orprepus: Howard have you shown that to T - the log feature?
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: we had quite a discussion on ATR today too
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: I mentioned it to T
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: along with symbol for combined contracts
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: no answer yet 
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: much easier to use than last time she tried it too
(03:48 PM) Orprepus: buffy would you send me todays emini anom text file - please
(03:48 PM) Orprepus: if you have it all
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't have it all orp
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: dave do you to post to the website?
(03:49 PM) Orprepus: would really like to go over the new features
(03:49 PM) ppusa: the Dow and S&P are starting to look darn good longer term
(03:49 PM) Orprepus: ATR - wow
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: oh really not in here
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: you will find no more hidden studies though
(03:49 PM) Ensign Software: not yet, orp.  I know she wanted Log and THAT was the big motivation to implement Log in Ensign Windows.  Finally got it done over the weekend while at my mountain retreat.   Now I hope she will join the Ensign gang and use EW instead of ts.  Her following should use EW at $30 a month instead of caughing and choking up $3000 for ts.
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: they all show up under studies now
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: it has always been there but hidden with keltner channels I think
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: so now don't have to remember where everything is hiding
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(03:50 PM) Orprepus: and the $3000 does not include bug fixes or new features
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: 58.02 for today is ATR
(03:50 PM) Ensign Software: reason to show them on list now is we decided to abondon keeping panels to fit on a 640 by 480 resolution screen.
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: based on last ten days
(03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: well glad you did howard
(03:51 PM) Ensign Software: our new minimum for design puposes will be 800x600 and just tell 640x480 folks to upgrade their hardware to support higher resolution.
(03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: makes it so much easier to find everything
(03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: or just change their settings
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: not all know they can LOL
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: very true orprepus
(03:52 PM) Orprepus: or get a bigger monitor
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: or sending missed data back and forth
(03:52 PM) rich012: what's ASI?
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(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: accumulated swing index
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: used with pyra
(03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: mainly here anyway
(03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: we were using espl
(03:53 PM) Ensign Software: as announced to the user goup, oct 2nd version will support the new esignal continuation contract symbols.   oct 2nd will be posted shortly
(03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: much easier with it in the software
(03:53 PM) rich012: tx, buffy
(03:53 PM) jimbo_320: posted es trade :-)
(03:53 PM) Orprepus: yeah yahooo
(03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: ok howard
(03:53 PM) Orprepus: alright Howard
(03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: agree orprepus
(03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: totally!!
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: thnx Jimbo will follow you for awhile till i get the hang of ES
(03:54 PM) Daniel X: looking over ur shoulder from now on...
(03:54 PM) jimbo_320: on 20 period ema
(03:54 PM) ppusa: is that jimbo 5
(03:54 PM) jimbo_320: y
(03:55 PM) ppusa: what was your trigger to buy?
(03:56 PM) jimbo_320: flag breakout
(03:57 PM) ppusa: at 43
(03:57 PM) jimbo_320: y
(03:57 PM) jimbo_320: cant believe you guys missed it
(03:58 PM) ppusa: i like to get the break of your trendline...Especially if I see PnF as extended
(03:58 PM) laniermasters: Jimbo the Jimbo5 chart didn't work - at least I not on my computer.  Can other folks see it correctly?
(03:59 PM) ppusa: i see it
(03:59 PM) Orprepus: hey dave-b-quick
(03:59 PM) ppusa: Dow +100
(03:59 PM) laniermasters: okay, problem must be with my computer.
(04:00 PM) ppusa: or your isp
(04:00 PM) ppusa: another day done
(04:00 PM) ppusa: hope everyone going away happy
(04:00 PM) wayne_53: laniermaster...you should use internet explorer.  Many times netscape doesn't work
(04:00 PM) laniermasters: I'll try that - thx
(04:01 PM) jimbo_320: all tfs had big green candles good tick
(04:01 PM) Ensign Software: does any one here use a pager with some sort of notification from their computer, and if so, can you give me details about the application used to make the pager call??
(04:01 PM) jimbo_320: in big moves like that i look for continuing up bar then enter on the 1min usually
(04:01 PM) Daniel X: looks like ES is the trdae from now on look at NQ just die
(04:02 PM) Daniel X: u re enter JImbo where?
(04:02 PM) jimbo_320: thats why u guys missed it you were looking at the nqoos :-(
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(04:02 PM) Daniel X: nah i was chatting
(04:03 PM) ppusa: don't forget Dow maybe too
(04:03 PM) Daniel X: 56 is ES target
(04:03 PM) ppusa: fidon't hink Dow is electronic though
(04:03 PM) ppusa: bad fills
(04:03 PM) Daniel X: anybody here trade he DOW futures yet?
(04:03 PM) jimbo_320: probably at 52 if i had been was watching it, was 20ema
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(04:05 PM) Daniel X: wsa thinking 53 ..5 min  down bar
(04:05 PM) Daniel X: top of
(04:05 PM) jimbo_320: still long?
(04:05 PM) Daniel X: nah out 52.75