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(08:49 AM) klonerdoug: any best users here?
(08:49 AM) Daniel X: yes y?
(08:49 AM) Daniel X: lol
(08:49 AM) klonerdoug: hey dan ... nay trouble connecting this am?
(08:49 AM) klonerdoug: any
(08:50 AM) klonerdoug: i'm in now
(08:50 AM) Daniel X: yes
(08:50 AM) klonerdoug: but wanted 1193 short and missed cus of connection issues
(08:50 AM) Daniel X: account  balance was wrong
(08:50 AM) klonerdoug: right now?
(08:51 AM) Daniel X: was on phone with them throughout the night
(08:51 AM) klonerdoug: yeah they blew up yd around 3 pm
(08:51 AM) Daniel X: was open short @ 1203
(08:51 AM) klonerdoug: whopss sorry for use of words
(08:52 AM) klonerdoug: very sorry there poor choice of words
(08:52 AM) Tom_B: Daniel, u flat now ?
(08:52 AM) Daniel X: np
(08:52 AM) Daniel X: yeah thank goodness
(08:52 AM) Tom_B: gift for u ?
(08:52 AM) klonerdoug: yeah i was open long from 67 
(08:52 AM) Daniel X: around 4 am iwanted to cover @ 1177
(08:52 AM) klonerdoug: got lucky
(08:53 AM) klonerdoug: i see it
(08:53 AM) Daniel X: but they bit the mistake
(08:53 AM) klonerdoug: couldn't?
(08:53 AM) Daniel X: no it was a double punch
(08:53 AM) klonerdoug: well so far executions have been good
(08:53 AM) Tom_B: their miistake, but they didn't bust the trade ?
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(08:54 AM) klonerdoug: but had to offset trade at ib
(08:54 AM) Tom_B: was it ur short or theirs ?
(08:54 AM) Tom_B: Daniel ?
(08:54 AM) Daniel X: was long 3 @ 1180 tried to cover 1185.50 rejected servers went down so i was given a gift when i covered @ 1203 but who ever did the order covered 6 contracts
(08:55 AM) Tom_B: then u cvrd short this am ?
(08:55 AM) Daniel X: no
(08:55 AM) Tom_B: ?
(08:55 AM) klonerdoug: u trade often overnight dan?
(08:55 AM) Tom_B: still shrt ?
(08:55 AM) Daniel X: this morning they took it and pocketed it in the error account
(08:56 AM) Tom_B: ah yes, th e"error" acct..only used whn it goes their way...
(08:56 AM) Daniel X: sexactly
(08:56 AM) klonerdoug: seems like they might need all they can getin that error account
(08:57 AM) Daniel X: when i saw 1177 @ 4 am ..i said  wow  another gift!!!
(08:57 AM) klonerdoug: well they cost me 20 points today 
(08:57 AM) klonerdoug: oh well
(08:57 AM) Daniel X: doug B server?
(08:57 AM) klonerdoug: yeah
(08:58 AM) Daniel X: they had to reset it thats y my account was showing previous days balance
(08:58 AM) Daniel X: so because of me u missed it!!LOL
(08:58 AM) klonerdoug: no no
(08:58 AM) klonerdoug: that's the way this biz is ... no prob what so ever
(08:59 AM) Daniel X: was a miss not a loss right?
(08:59 AM) klonerdoug: y
(08:59 AM) Daniel X: oh ok
(08:59 AM) klonerdoug: i just hope they have their act together today
(08:59 AM) Tom_B: funny , seem to miss the wins, get the losses whn this stuff happens..I had a buy rejected at 74.5
(08:59 AM) klonerdoug: so far i see this as gap down and fill ...
(09:00 AM) klonerdoug: any comments?
(09:00 AM) Daniel X: yeah Tom funny huh?!
(09:00 AM) Tom_B: grrr
(09:00 AM) klonerdoug: that was 74.5 this am tom?
(09:00 AM) Tom_B: yest
(09:00 AM) Daniel X: well Dow Futures are down again
(09:00 AM) klonerdoug: in that 3 pm push aye
(09:01 AM) Tom_B: y
(09:01 AM) klonerdoug: bummer
(09:01 AM) Tom_B: long
(09:01 AM) Tom_B: really
(09:01 AM) Tom_B: today is another oppy'y
(09:01 AM) klonerdoug: well i just report this stuff so we all know the deal
(09:02 AM) Tom_B: part of the business, never a "good" time for it though
(09:02 AM) klonerdoug: i still have ib and prob will use them today
(09:02 AM) dave_b_quik: doug, was that on IB or BEST?
(09:02 AM) Daniel X: Dow already -148
(09:02 AM) klonerdoug: best
(09:02 AM) Tom_B: Best
(09:02 AM) Daniel X: back in 15 mins everyone
(09:02 AM) david h_2: dave did you have a trading plan chat last night?
(09:02 AM) klonerdoug: used ib to offset the trade when i couldn't get flat when i wanted
(09:03 AM) klonerdoug: but missed good one today cus of their problems
(09:03 AM) dave_b_quik: buffy and orprepus had an impromptu session last night very late
(09:03 AM) GGriz: was IB having any fill problems last couple of days anyone??
(09:03 AM) Tom_B: David b Q, whn is the mmgt chat going to be..., any ideas yet ?
(09:04 AM) klonerdoug: not for me ... but i here quotes were shaky
(09:04 AM) dave_b_quik: i had a problem with my fill report at IB yesterday, but they had it right at their end 
(09:04 AM) klonerdoug: hear
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(09:04 AM) dave_b_quik: i think my problem was because i traded from 2 different computers because of a connection problem
(09:05 AM) dave_b_quik: for a while it looked like a 32 point trade got lost, but IB had it right in the end
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(09:07 AM) klonerdoug: good for u dbq
(09:07 AM) dave_b_quik: i gotta hand it to IB, i've done close to 500 round trips with them and they've never screwed up once
(09:08 AM) dave_b_quik: i've only had to call the 3 time for clarification
(09:09 AM) klonerdoug: sweet
(09:09 AM) tomsurf: dave- that is a good track record
(09:09 AM) klonerdoug: almost longed that 1180 for scalp
(09:09 AM) david h_2: dave is there a 430 chat today?
(09:09 AM) dave_b_quik: and I always get my statement the same day
(09:10 AM) klonerdoug: but trying to grab that bottom yd i blew somecash
(09:10 AM) dave_b_quik: not oficially, dave, unless you want to get something going
(09:10 AM) Tom_B: Prez spks tonite 9pm est, just fyi
(09:10 AM) david h_2: i think its on your web site mm today 430
(09:11 AM) Tom_B: Hve email frm Best this am saying keep track of ur positions..:(
(09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: mornign team
(09:12 AM) dave_b_quik: not a bad idea anyway, tom
(09:12 AM) david h_2: tom who is you broker?
(09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: so Daniel you all set now?
(09:12 AM) dave_b_quik: morning buffy, you guys were jamming 'til late last night!
(09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: yep and I am late this morning but it was worth it
(09:12 AM) GGriz: Buffy, is the crash ver fixed yet?
(09:12 AM) rich012: Does Mike Bruns no longer do the teaching routine with trendvue?
(09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: will be this after plus other good things
(09:13 AM) Tom_B: always do, but they are talking abt positin refernce might not be wrkng
(09:13 AM) tomsurf: rich- yes, this was his last week
(09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard brainstormed last night with us and I feel he came up with a very workable solution
(09:13 AM) GGriz: ok, cause I haven't been allowing the updates to run
(09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: If all goes well with Kimbal testing it today, it will be up this afternoon
(09:14 AM) GGriz: great thanks
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(09:16 AM) rich012: tomsurf, tx
(09:16 AM) klonerdoug: anyone have any downside targets for gap extension ?
(09:16 AM) Orprepus: yahoo!
(09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: charts are going to have their "private" file in addition the workspace remembering how the chart was their
(09:17 AM) Orprepus: double yahooo and a yepeee!!
(09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it was great he brainstormed
(09:17 AM) Orprepus: no more swimming head for me
(09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: just as I totally understood it too :-)
(09:18 AM) Orprepus: tired of trying to figure out why I have roger's and your settings
(09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: is daniel all set with his position this morning due to the error?
(09:18 AM) Orprepus: redid all my charts last  night
(09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: still might have to clean it up 
(09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: oh so they are all gone now
(09:19 AM) Orprepus: yes
(09:19 AM) Orprepus: only orp charts now
(09:19 AM) Orprepus: sorry
(09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: I posted one last night for Howard to look at - got to see the gremlin add template 1 to the prem chart when it wasn't even in focus
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: 30T was
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: glad only orp charts now
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: Roger still has me LOL
(09:20 AM) Orprepus: yes I saw that - that what was happening to me
(09:20 AM) Orprepus: during trading yesterday
(09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: but the comfusion is template 1 was resaved in this workspace so it should of known where it belonged
(09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: guess housing report wasn't good
(09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: and we have some report out at noon
(09:22 AM) Orprepus: template memory is independent of workspace - remember
(09:22 AM) Orprepus: I think??
(09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: true it is
(09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: will keep giving Howard more clues - at least he is thinking about it now
(09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: wonder if 1178 area going to hold
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(09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: held earlier this morning I see
(09:27 AM) klonerdoug: well i think it will test 1178 just not sure what lies underneath
(09:27 AM) ppusa: looks like they may spike the low and then ?
(09:28 AM) ppusa: who knows
(09:28 AM) tomsurf: Pivot trivia for today's NQ - s2=1310  s1=1259 Pvt is 1201 r1= 1150 r2= 1092
(09:29 AM) ppusa: Tom are those numbers right?
(09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: tom shouldn't the s and r be reversed?
(09:30 AM) tomsurf: pp- from Alaron
(09:30 AM) tomsurf: Buffy opps, right ;-)
(09:32 AM) Daniel X: Buffy ;-)
(09:34 AM) ppusa: I would like to see a low put in early and then start higher
(09:34 AM) Daniel X: thnx for those Tomsurf mine are way out of wack!
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(09:34 AM) ppusa: catch a retrp buy signal
(09:34 AM) ppusa: maybe inside day
(09:35 AM) dave_b_quik: must be due for a rest soon
(09:35 AM) tomsurf: ya- yesterdays ranges were 65ES and 125NQ, lol
(09:36 AM) ppusa: broke out yesterday from 61 area
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(09:37 AM) Daniel X: Dow - 170   long  hhmmmm
(09:39 AM) ppusa: broke 200 ma all charts up tp 5 minutes
(09:40 AM) ppusa: Dan are you long yet based on 9/3?
(09:40 AM) jimbo_320: good morning
(09:40 AM) Gorillatrader: we long on 9/3min
(09:41 AM) Daniel X: yes @95
(09:41 AM) jimbo_320: some sneaky overnight selling
(09:41 AM) Daniel X: out +2
(09:42 AM) Daniel X: fills are tsure taking long on best anyone else?
(09:42 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, IB too
(09:43 AM) Daniel X: hmmm Retro long looks interesting
(09:43 AM) jimbo_320: get the overnight low in before the rally
(09:43 AM) dave_b_quik: my trailing sell stop was hit about 5 times and didn't execute
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: ouch
(09:44 AM) dave_b_quik: might be GLOBEX problems if BEST and IB both
(09:44 AM) Daniel X: thinking about staying out
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(09:44 AM) klonerdoug: same here .. tried 1181 long when tick naz reveresed and no fill
(09:45 AM) klonerdoug: not happy 
(09:45 AM) dave_b_quik: OK, i moved it up and got out at a better price :-)  
(09:45 AM) Daniel X: ha good!
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: may that always be the case dave
(09:46 AM) klonerdoug: what was ur entry dbq?
(09:46 AM) jimbo_320: is there any news today?
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: plse keep posted on how it is going
(09:46 AM) dave_b_quik: bot 1m 2
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: hi jimbo
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: news on what
(09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: greenspan suggested waiting two weeks for market to settle before doing an economic pkg
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: or it came out of that meeting
(09:47 AM) dave_b_quik: bot NQ 1m 2B @1185.50, trailing stop was hit at 1194 and didn't execute, moved it up to 1197 and it worked there
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone do a market order yet to see how those are going?
(09:48 AM) Daniel X: took long
(09:48 AM) Daniel X: for fill
(09:48 AM) tomsurf: did one on ES thru IB...no prop
(09:48 AM) jimbo_320: is IB having problems?
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: k
(09:48 AM) tomsurf: IB fine here
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: some having probs with both ib and best
(09:48 AM) klonerdoug: best up
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: so might be with globex
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: yep
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: has to
(09:49 AM) dave_b_quik: IB didn't execute my trailing stop even tho it was hit real good, but it seems to be working now (and i got a couple extra points so i'm happy)
(09:49 AM) Daniel X: gotta keep an eye on the Dow
(09:51 AM) dave_b_quik: IB market orders quick
(09:51 AM) jimbo_320: they always are
(09:51 AM) Daniel X: hey all hasn't it bemna while since we've had a chop day?
(09:51 AM) klonerdoug: 91 s
(09:52 AM) klonerdoug: from last retrace
(09:52 AM) jimbo_320: Dan just what i was thinking
(09:52 AM) Daniel X: short against trend?
(09:52 AM) klonerdoug: watchin es for feel
(09:52 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo ;-)
(09:52 AM) Daniel X: oh ok
(09:53 AM) jimbo_320: 1200, 1000 is a nice round numbers for a consolidation
(09:53 AM) Daniel X: hey hey 
(09:54 AM) ppusa: broke up from 88 retraced to that point
(09:54 AM) Daniel X: here comes the Retro
(09:54 AM) klonerdoug: they r ... not happy with trade
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(09:54 AM) Daniel X: 1203.50
(09:55 AM) ppusa: went to buy and pats disconnected 
(09:56 AM) dave_b_quik: :-(
(09:56 AM) jimbo_320: sometimes i just dont get the the trin, rises and future price rises, would of expected it around the other way
(09:56 AM) Daniel X: took the Retro long we'll see
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: trying not to watch
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: -5 
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: next
(09:59 AM) Daniel X: too slow damn
(09:59 AM) ppusa: futures go positive a couple ticks higher
(09:59 AM) ppusa: new highs comp and ndx
(10:00 AM) Daniel X: guess i wasn't invited for the ride
(10:01 AM) Gorillatrader: still Long from 9/3 buy 1192.50 entry
(10:02 AM) tomsurf: PA looks like a bucking bronko
(10:02 AM) Gorillatrader: agree, tom
(10:02 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL tom 
(10:03 AM) Gorillatrader: wider stops required
(10:03 AM) tomsurf: ride em GT :-)
(10:03 AM) ppusa: tuesday's low 29.50...Get above that and could run
(10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: nice GT
(10:04 AM) Daniel X: too slow to reenter @ 1203.50
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(10:05 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA HOD?
(10:05 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:05 AM) Gorillatrader: bailed out 1212
(10:05 AM) ppusa: could be and if it is another down day
(10:05 AM) Daniel X: gap closed
(10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
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(10:07 AM) klonerdoug: i really misread that ... very poor trade .. gut was gap fills and i traded opposite my instincts
(10:07 AM) Daniel X: we all do it 
(10:07 AM) ppusa: dow down 160 points doesn't look well for today
(10:08 AM) ppusa: if rally was real, dow would be +
(10:08 AM) Daniel X: watching it like a hawk
(10:08 AM) Daniel X: not a deer
(10:08 AM) tomsurf: Dow's got no mojo so far
(10:10 AM) Tom_B: shrt
(10:11 AM) ppusa: sure due for a higher high daily either today ((inside day) or tomorrow
(10:12 AM) Daniel X: spike plz
(10:12 AM) Gorillatrader: well, my little red bars has me short
(10:12 AM) Daniel X: 98?
(10:12 AM) Gorillatrader: tomorrow light years away
(10:13 AM) ppusa: yea yea
(10:13 AM) jimbo_320: no strength here
(10:13 AM) Tom_B: be here now
(10:13 AM) Gorillatrader: lol,  my brain can't think past 3min
(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: well that was interesting
(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I was the ghost
(10:13 AM) ppusa: i sold too but covered
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: did anyone else lose data from esignal for a bit or is it my isp?
(10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: why cover?
(10:14 AM) Tom_B: ok hre
(10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: esignal ok
(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: k
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(10:14 AM) dave_b_quik: esignal OK here, but yesterday i had problems in the morning
(10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: no technical reason
(10:14 AM) jimbo_320: retracement on the ticks today -700 from -800 Oh dear
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: can't wait to get cable modem in here for backup
(10:15 AM) dave_b_quik: you're on DSL?
(10:15 AM) ppusa: poor entry
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: adsl
(10:16 AM) ppusa: what chart did you use for short signal GT?
(10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: 9min
(10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: 9/3
(10:16 AM) wayne_53: volatility in the ES bars is incredible.   Iffy taking a trade with close stops.
(10:16 AM) Gorillatrader: bar highs not violated
(10:17 AM) ppusa: what price did you enter GT?
(10:18 AM) Gorillatrader: volatility requires wider stops. if too much $ risk, don't play.  another setup will come soon
(10:18 AM) Daniel X: 94 coverd 90
(10:18 AM) wayne_53: Took long before and before my fill came up in a few seconds I was in the hole 2.25 pts.  Had to exit with market and got hit for 3.25 pts
(10:18 AM) Gorillatrader: 1201 on 9min, out on 3min bar high 1193
(10:19 AM) wayne_53: time to sit back and wait for things to settle down a bit
(10:19 AM) larrybf: guys- I amnot used to this volatility. When was the last time (date)  we had action like this?
(10:20 AM) Gorillatrader: before summer, most of the time
(10:20 AM) ppusa: guess i don't feel so bad. i wacked 1200 for 2. The bar was so long, n signal until down 20 from  high
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: had to use 10 point stops
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: then
(10:20 AM) larrybf: really? i must have a bad memory
(10:20 AM) Daniel X: even used 20 on occasion
(10:21 AM) wayne_53: Dow down 200
(10:21 AM) ppusa: held low (so far) Now see if dow comes back
(10:21 AM) larrybf: thanks gt for the info
(10:21 AM) Gorillatrader: larry, NQ ranges typical 80 to 160 pts daily, many days travelled 300+ points from swings
(10:22 AM) Daniel X: i miss the 60+ range days
(10:22 AM) wayne_53: large moves aren't the problem.  It's when they move up and down with wide swings within the bars
(10:22 AM) Gorillatrader: if you have access to historical intraday data, everyone should study them
(10:22 AM) Daniel X: have to readjust from the summer 40 ranges
(10:23 AM) Tom_B: shrt
(10:23 AM) Gorillatrader: agree wayne
(10:23 AM) larrybf: i know that but on my candles most of my tails are bigger than the bodies. i wasnt using candles until july so this all looks new to me
(10:23 AM) Gorillatrader: mice tom
(10:24 AM) Gorillatrader: yep, candles new vision...like getting new glasses
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(10:25 AM) larrybf: i am new to candles. it is like info overload but i am glad for "getting glasses". little scary to look at though?!?
(10:25 AM) wayne_53: I'm afraid the real move will come along and none of us will believe it
(10:26 AM) larrybf: gt- any good beginner books for candles?
(10:27 AM) Tom_B: if u trade ur setups you'll be there when it comes
(10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: no need to "believe or not believe", Wayne...play by rules and you will be aboard any trend
(10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: Tom, you beat me...lol, quicker
(10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: Steve Nison..all his books
(10:27 AM) Gorillatrader: ALL books
(10:28 AM) wayne_53: tnx gt
(10:28 AM) larrybf: thanks
(10:28 AM) rich012: wayne, whose your broker?
(10:29 AM) Gorillatrader: buy thru amazon,com  bundles might be available
(10:29 AM) wayne_53: Best
(10:29 AM) skyprince_1: These pullbacks are killer...
(10:30 AM) Gorillatrader: why, sky?
(10:30 AM) skyprince_1: Legs shorter than yesterday
(10:30 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA HOD?
(10:32 AM) klonerdoug: well i lucked out today ...another -1k tick reading at that 1180
(10:32 AM) klonerdoug: so instinctive covering right there
(10:32 AM) Tom_B: out b/e
(10:32 AM) skyprince_1: Plus it was LOD
(10:33 AM) Gorillatrader: klon, suggest don't trade by "instinct", trade by well formulated rules
(10:33 AM) Daniel X: instinct might save ur a** but it will keep u out of the runneres
(10:33 AM) klonerdoug: yeah ur right .. instinct was only on gap down fill that i traded against
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(10:34 AM) Gorillatrader: if one uses protective stops correctly, no need to outguess
(10:35 AM) klonerdoug: still rubbin my eyes as to why i shorted it but ok with stops and shorted it up higher
(10:35 AM) Daniel X: 5 min EMAs in missionary
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(10:36 AM) rich012: Wayne, I think everyone is having delays in Best fills.
(10:36 AM) tomsurf: Daniel- LOL
(10:36 AM) Daniel X: he he
(10:37 AM) rich012: I have traded Best and IB, sometimes on the same day.  I never found Best to be as timely as IB.
(10:37 AM) klonerdoug: dow 8500 so i'm careful shortside nowq
(10:37 AM) rich012: Now I just trade IB.  :-)
(10:37 AM) wayne_53: rich...That was probably the big part of my problem
(10:37 AM) jimbo_320: out for +2
(10:37 AM) skyprince_1: A bounce off 8500 again?
(10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: hi all maybe we can stay connected this time
(10:38 AM) rich012: After sendind an order, my market orders are filled by IB within 2 secs.
(10:38 AM) wayne_53: I've been happy with Best up til now.  Fast fills and no apparent problems
(10:38 AM) klonerdoug: i know it bounce yd
(10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: hate calling adsl guys - they always think it is my problem - even want to send someone to check the phone line  ugh
(10:38 AM) Daniel X: cant say the same for me about "Best"
(10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: so data all mess up
(10:38 AM) jimbo_320: rich same here, limits slower
(10:38 AM) tomsurf: ticks not giving any good down pushes (so far)with Dow down here
(10:39 AM) Daniel X: Buffy :-(
(10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: still not right - this room is putting 3 messages in at once
(10:40 AM) Tom_B: shrt
(10:40 AM) rich012: yep, everything was slower for me when using Best
(10:40 AM) rich012: you guys who shorted using the 9/3...u still short?
(10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: gee guess I missed  this one
(10:40 AM) Tom_B: just sold
(10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: would of been but called and covered with no data
(10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: -1000+on tick not good
(10:41 AM) ppusa: not good for what?
(10:41 AM) tomsurf: ya- ticks getting pushed down now
(10:42 AM) ppusa: you mean oversold?
(10:42 AM) Tom_B: chop guey
(10:42 AM) rich012: buffy, you use the 3 min for determining stops then?  I was short but covered for a little.  Tough to stay short, imo.  Wondering if others covered also.
(10:42 AM) tomsurf: 8480- yesterday low on Dow
(10:43 AM) Daniel X: very tough Rich
(10:43 AM) Daniel X: but i am!
(10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: I was using 3m for signs of trouble then shorter to get out
(10:44 AM) Tom_B: ema ota
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(10:44 AM) ppusa: nq looks good here
(10:45 AM) Daniel X: good for?
(10:45 AM) ppusa: not a buyer  just looking
(10:45 AM) ppusa: if gets above 82 swing high on tick chart
(10:45 AM) ppusa: just did
(10:46 AM) ppusa: nice observation huh
(10:46 AM) ppusa: 1190 200 ma
(10:47 AM) jimbo_320: has ib turned blue for anyone?
(10:47 AM) ppusa: I'll take a retro long if i get one
(10:47 AM) ppusa: dow double bottom
(10:47 AM) jimbo_320: Dan what are u using for es retro stops?
(10:48 AM) Daniel X: no ...moving into scalp mode now though
(10:48 AM) Daniel X: very choppy
(10:48 AM) skyprince_1: Dow...ouch
(10:48 AM) jimbo_320: what were u using
(10:49 AM) Daniel X: NQ 
(10:49 AM) Daniel X: Retro trading
(10:49 AM) Gorillatrader: DJZ01 dropped 100 pts from 10am, in 40 min
(10:49 AM) jimbo_320: yesterday for retro es stop?
(10:49 AM) Daniel X: yesterday was trading ES
(10:50 AM) jimbo_320: what were u using for your stop size when trading retro
(10:50 AM) Daniel X:  stopless wacthing NQ for feel
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: yesterday
(10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: going to test the connection for a bit before doing anything
(10:50 AM) Buffy_04364: bbl
(10:50 AM) rich012: jimbo, IB ok here
(10:50 AM) dave_b_quik: what does blue IB mean?  Mine turns pink if I get disconnected, but OK today.
(10:51 AM) skyprince_1: Blue = depressing?
(10:51 AM) dave_b_quik: maybe
(10:51 AM) Daniel X: Invesment Byuer
(10:51 AM) jimbo_320: offputting 4 sure, means i just f....... up
(10:51 AM) Tom_B: lng
(10:51 AM) tomsurf: blue= ocean :-)
(10:52 AM) dave_b_quik: IB orders turn light blue during transmission, dark blue when they're confirmed working 
(10:52 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo?
(10:52 AM) Gorillatrader: Blue means RELAX...all is okay
(10:52 AM) dave_b_quik: aaaah
(10:52 AM) jimbo_320: overtrading
(10:52 AM) Gorillatrader: trust us
(10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: IB turns blue when yr overtrading?
(10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: that's a great feature
(10:53 AM) ppusa: out for a scalp
(10:53 AM) rich012: MY IB turns a blueish pink
(10:53 AM) Gorillatrader: what's overtrading?
(10:53 AM) dave_b_quik: LOL, aren't you a recovering 1m trader?
(10:54 AM) rich012: When your broker makes more than you?
(10:54 AM) Gorillatrader: lol
(10:54 AM) tomsurf: rich- good definition, lol
(10:54 AM) klonerdoug: hehe
(10:54 AM) Gorillatrader: more than 4 rt per week...like the SEC says
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(10:55 AM) rich012: 4 rt per hour more like it
(10:56 AM) ppusa: i have 24 rt's this morning
(10:56 AM) ppusa: sorry 12
(10:56 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo...well chop it is
(10:56 AM) rich012: pp, who's making more?  U or your broker?  :-)
(10:57 AM) ppusa: who do you think
(10:57 AM) ppusa: had to cut his commissions
(10:57 AM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, SEC/NASD would say you need help to control your compulsive gambling impulses
(10:57 AM) jimbo_320: -2 on day so far
(10:57 AM) wayne_53: ppusa....are you at least profitable after all those trades
(10:57 AM) Tom_B: Nedd lower Comm's here...
(10:58 AM) ppusa: +470 after fees
(10:58 AM) wayne_53: vg
(10:58 AM) jimbo_320: - comms of course
(10:58 AM) ppusa: one loss in those
(10:58 AM) rich012: TomB, what's your commish now?
(10:58 AM) Tom_B: 10
(10:58 AM) ppusa: 470 AFTER fees
(10:58 AM) ppusa: broker made 120
(10:59 AM) Tom_B: 4.70 & wht fees ?
(10:59 AM) rich012: gj pp
(10:59 AM) ppusa: No wonder you guys are such good retro traders you all are brain dead
(10:59 AM) Tom_B: 190 for bkr yest
(11:00 AM) rich012: Very good chance of inside day today
(11:00 AM) Gorillatrader: scalping on small timeframes.  i used to do that
(11:00 AM) ppusa: +$600-120 fees including commissions = $470 lunch money
(11:00 AM) rich012: I gave my broker a pay cut....started trading larger TF's
(11:00 AM) ppusa: actually includes a nice trade from premarket
(11:01 AM) Gorillatrader: look at using 3min or higher TF
(11:01 AM) ppusa: fortunate enough to wake up 3 minutes after the low of 77 got hit and scalped for 6 ticks
(11:01 AM) Gorillatrader: Study Retro trades as posted....its an eye opener
(11:02 AM) dave_b_quik: i had 9 rt's yd, IB got $53.10 (no fees)
(11:02 AM) jimbo_320: back to black again, weird
(11:02 AM) ppusa: anyway enough...still plenty of time to give it back
(11:02 AM) Daniel X: looks like scalpers paradise out there
(11:02 AM) rich012: GT, you think the longer term TF's will be much more profitable over the long haul?
(11:03 AM) ppusa: depends on the market - trend or chop
(11:03 AM) Gorillatrader: Rich, suggest you study them with hard rules you can live with. Convince yourself
(11:04 AM) Gorillatrader: pp, does not depend..if you have good rules, you will do well
(11:04 AM) ppusa: what rules apply to chop?
(11:04 AM) ppusa: the only rule i have if chop trade chop
(11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: Study Retro results that are posted, then conclude for yourself if in choppy days are that bad that its unusable
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(11:05 AM) Gorillatrader: my rule is STAY OUT
(11:05 AM) ppusa: already proven it is
(11:05 AM) Daniel X: ;-) GT
(11:05 AM) Tom_B: out of olong +6
(11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: then, is Retro using 15/5min is very profitable, why can't that logical approach be used after modifying to suit your needs???
(11:06 AM) Daniel X: good Tom
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(11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: takes care of using "feelings", "Iguess", I think..."
(11:06 AM) klonerdoug: loved that -1200 tick long trigger bak a ways
(11:06 AM) Gorillatrader: just sit here and execute..place orders, period
(11:07 AM) ppusa: can't modify retro to trade chop...
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: well, looks like it stayed up so will get back to work
(11:07 AM) Gorillatrader: then don't
(11:07 AM) ppusa: executing chop rules this morning
(11:08 AM) Daniel X: well my feelings told me that my guess at what i think was the HOD was right.....so far!!!
(11:08 AM) ppusa: chop rule says if dow down 200+ don't count on nq going straight up
(11:08 AM) jimbo_320: dow bounced of yesterday LOD
(11:08 AM) Tom_B: The definition of choppy is not hard & fast for me...today this is "choppy" but the swings are tradable 5 trades  so far...1 loser 
(11:09 AM) tomsurf: GT- good points
(11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: i'd like to have a chop system to complement Retro and make the chop days more psychologically rewarding.  When are some of you chop experts gonna give a seminar?
(11:09 AM) Gorillatrader: each one has own style.  use whatever works for you. not trying to convince anybody.
(11:09 AM) dave_b_quik: Good job, Tom
(11:09 AM) Tom_B: tnx stilll in 1st grade
(11:10 AM) Gorillatrader: Tom_B, you in post graduate...lol
(11:10 AM) ppusa: Chop rule I have is sell buy signals and buy sell signals because they all reverse
(11:10 AM) ppusa: play only extremes
(11:10 AM) dave_b_quik: just have sticky labels to switch the buy/sell buton?
(11:10 AM) Gorillatrader: if it works for you, trade them.
(11:11 AM) Gorillatrader: Turn monitor upside down
(11:11 AM) Tom_B: Don't know if this is tradable now...shrt
(11:11 AM) dave_b_quik: aaah
(11:11 AM) Tom_B: confused , dah...
(11:12 AM) ppusa: Also you have to figure there would be some early bounces because of yesterday's big rally. I look at action and daily ranges a lot.
(11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: pp, you have a good logical way to trade.
(11:12 AM) ppusa: back to trading
(11:12 AM) Gorillatrader: yep
(11:13 AM) rich012: I just checked the stats posted on the retro for last 6 weeks.  + over $19,000 trading 1 NQ net commish!!
(11:13 AM) Daniel X: yep
(11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: pretty convincing isn't it
(11:13 AM) rich012: who posts the stats?
(11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: dave
(11:13 AM) dave_b_quik: yo
(11:13 AM) ppusa: good trends past weeks
(11:13 AM) Gorillatrader: Dave
(11:13 AM) Tom_B: i can't duplicate retro..:(
(11:13 AM) rich012: you da man dave
(11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: yes but many chop days in there too
(11:14 AM) rich012: Dave, I hope you are trading it!
(11:14 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, but not perfectly
(11:14 AM) Gorillatrader: don't have to duplicate Retro.  Adapt the logic, change the rules, timeframes, stops to suit your personality
(11:14 AM) rich012: If I make $19,000 trading for 5 weeks on 1 contract...I can accept the chop trades!
(11:14 AM) Daniel X: lol
(11:14 AM) Gorillatrader: HEY!  thanks Rich
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(11:15 AM) Daniel X: u have to be willing o get chopped..that and leaving $ on the table
(11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I know my data off but 3m posted shows the chop
(11:16 AM) dave_b_quik: most people fail at trading even a winning system because after a string of losses they lose faith in the system and miss the good trades, then their faith is restored just in time to catch the next string of losses
(11:16 AM) rich012: Yes, very tough for most people to do that.  They can look at stats and see results, but still take profits too soon.
(11:16 AM) Daniel X: ditto Dave
(11:16 AM) Gorillatrader: What counts is NET $$$ at end of week, not individual trades.  Always leave $ on table, Always will have losses
(11:16 AM) ppusa: i like that Dave
(11:17 AM) rich012: GT, yep trading can't be perfect
(11:17 AM) Tom_B: Retro looking for continuat trade ?
(11:17 AM) Gorillatrader: Rich...boils down to DISCIPLINE
(11:17 AM) david h_2: and logic
(11:19 AM) dave_b_quik: ya tom
(11:20 AM) Daniel X: Retro stopped looking @ 1205 
(11:20 AM) Gorillatrader: If you have a job at an assembly plant to bolt on a piece. You do it per written instructions. Day in , day out.  Some of those pieces and asssembly will be defective, but they should be a small percentage of failure...Same as trading
(11:20 AM) Gorillatrader: Most fail because they don't follow instruction and out guess own rules, early exits
(11:20 AM) Tom_B: tnx dave
(11:20 AM) ppusa: big run if break 4.5 or ?
(11:21 AM) Tom_B: Cost me $ 300 yest..if i added up all the $ I left on the table from exiting too soon it is staggering but i AM improving..
(11:21 AM) Daniel X: Tom Dave IB rule stop @ 94.50 was hit
(11:22 AM) dave_b_quik: no IB here, dan
(11:22 AM) Daniel X: what!!!?
(11:22 AM) dave_b_quik: but lwr hi stop was just hit
(11:23 AM) Daniel X: 1204.50/1196 ib bar 5 min..no? near 11 am
(11:24 AM) dave_b_quik: ya, same hi as previous bar?
(11:24 AM) Daniel X: yes
(11:24 AM) Tom_B: long 1200.g & stp out under 5m ib ?
(11:24 AM) dave_b_quik: there are 2 definitions of inside bar floating around
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(11:25 AM) Daniel X: 1191 long TOM
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: no?
(11:26 AM) Tom_B: y, but stp on ib then reenter on 5m rev bar ?
(11:26 AM) Daniel X: reentry on 5 min
(11:27 AM) Daniel X: ?
(11:27 AM) Daniel X:  no no no
(11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: those weren't inside bars on my chart, just equal bars
(11:27 AM) elly_34: dave, where do u have stop pls?
(11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: but the 2nd was a lwr hi
(11:27 AM) dave_b_quik: flat
(11:27 AM) elly_34: thought so, k
(11:29 AM) Tom_B: is retro shrt ?
(11:29 AM) Tom_B: now
(11:30 AM) dave_b_quik: y
(11:30 AM) Daniel X: 91.50
(11:31 AM) dave_b_quik: dan uses 2 tic stops, right?
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: 1.5
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: pts
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: oh entry u mean
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: ?
(11:32 AM) Gorillatrader: some texts define Inside bars to include equal highs or lows, <=
(11:32 AM) Daniel X: that's what i use GT
(11:33 AM) Tom_B: El Choppo Demente'
(11:33 AM) Daniel X: yep
(11:33 AM) Gorillatrader: lol, tom
(11:33 AM) Daniel X: called it this morn at the open
(11:33 AM) Tom_B: salad shooter day
(11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: my son just sent email saying no help from Greenspan
(11:34 AM) Daniel X: been a while since we've had one
(11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue what he means
(11:34 AM) Daniel X: Airlines i think
(11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok
(11:34 AM) Tom_B: said he'd wait a few wks before putting a pkge together
(11:34 AM) Buffy_04364: he leaves words out too like I do
(11:34 AM) Gorillatrader: Greenie won't join the Paratroopers
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(11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: how much lower than 3% can the FED rate go?  That's about it isn't it?
(11:35 AM) Tom_B: Int rate limbo
(11:35 AM) dave_b_quik: in '92 they got down to 3.5%
(11:36 AM) dave_b_quik: unless they start paying people to take money  LOL
(11:36 AM) Gorillatrader: 0 % plausible
(11:36 AM) jimbo_320: is greenie talking today?
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(11:36 AM) tomsurf: Greenie talking to Senate Banking Committee today
(11:36 AM) jimbo_320: what tine
(11:36 AM) jimbo_320: time
(11:37 AM) Tom_B: this mkt is punch drunk
(11:37 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- not sure but believe he has or is still speaking
(11:37 AM) jimbo_320: if greenie is talking later then thats probably why market sucks
(11:38 AM) Tom_B: retro, stped..now at lunch or looking for nxt ?
(11:38 AM) dave_b_quik: retro sidelined
(11:39 AM) Daniel X: yep
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: there is also a report coming out at 12 isn't there
(11:39 AM) Daniel X: on?
(11:39 AM) Tom_B: Beige bk
(11:39 AM) Tom_B: sry, Pila Fed
(11:39 AM) Tom_B: Philly
(11:39 AM) Buffy_04364: tks tom
(11:40 AM) Tom_B: This is not exactly a bullish formation to me ...imvho
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: hhhhmmmm Philiy steak sandwich ..baci in 10 mins
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: making me hungry
(11:41 AM) ppusa: agree Tom
(11:42 AM) Daniel X: BearlyBullish
(11:42 AM) ppusa: last time nq had this pattern sold off
(11:42 AM) jimbo_320: bbs
(11:42 AM) ppusa: needs to retest the low i guess
(11:42 AM) Tom_B: shrt
(11:43 AM) ppusa: could still hold low
(11:43 AM) ppusa: deer here
(11:44 AM) rich012: Who is trading the 9/3 NQ using retro type rules?  I was checking out dave's retro stuff.  Nice work, dave.
(11:45 AM) Tom_B: Daniel does
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(11:45 AM) Tom_B: , i'm working with it
(11:46 AM) rich012: GT using that?
(11:48 AM) Tom_B: I'm out...whrs the Philly steak sandwich ?
(11:49 AM) Tom_B: my bkr is ahead of me now :(
(11:49 AM) Gorillatrader: yes, rich..one of the methodologies, 
(11:49 AM) Daniel X: just slighty i hope
(11:50 AM) Tom_B: y
(11:50 AM) rich012: ok, I will watch for the trades you guys post using the 9/3
(11:51 AM) Daniel X: 9 min ADX in 45 degree slide..at least "its" trending!
(11:53 AM) Daniel X: volume lowest of the day
(11:54 AM) Daniel X: well being under the 5 min EMAs is a little more encouraging
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(11:55 AM) rich012: both nq and es testing up t/l's from yesterday pm
(11:56 AM) ppusa: have gut feeling nq will be down today and tomorrow 
(11:57 AM) ppusa: based on Dow
(11:58 AM) ppusa: never mind
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(12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: hi anyone here?
(12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: or did my paltalk stop again?
(12:06 PM) shimster_1: Im here
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: hi luv
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(12:06 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, so quiet today
(12:13 PM) ppusa: The last few times nq had this pattern on it's 15 minute chart, there was another down bar to come, then a blast to the upside. 1-2-3
(12:14 PM) klonerdoug: test
(12:14 PM) elly_34: was the 11:30 bar taken as a sh entry for retro?
(12:14 PM) ppusa: maybe this means it is to early for a rally
(12:15 PM) ppusa: or maybe this time will be different
(12:15 PM) tang: would the lunch time consider at central or eastern? pls
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(12:17 PM) Daniel X: both
(12:18 PM) Daniel X: hence 11:30 to 13:30
(12:18 PM) Daniel X: eastern
(12:18 PM) tang: thanx dan
(12:18 PM) Daniel X: roughly
(12:18 PM) Daniel X: wlcm
(12:18 PM) Tom_B: shrt
(12:19 PM) Daniel X: 83.50?
(12:19 PM) Tom_B: y
(12:19 PM) Daniel X: k
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: im hoping for the 1150 pivoy sup1
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: pivot
(12:21 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA did u sell the HOD?
(12:22 PM) dave_b_quik: what a spike on ES
(12:22 PM) Daniel X: watch 74  Tom
(12:23 PM) Daniel X: news?
(12:23 PM) Tom_B: was tht real ?
(12:23 PM) ppusa: phone
(12:23 PM) Daniel X: ok
(12:23 PM) klonerdoug: wow es spike
(12:23 PM) Tom_B: any one else get that spike not on esig /
(12:23 PM) klonerdoug: thought i might see one on nq but not es
(12:23 PM) dave_b_quik: sears tower scare?
(12:23 PM) klonerdoug: y
(12:24 PM) klonerdoug: ?
(12:24 PM) Daniel X: serious!?
(12:24 PM) dave_b_quik: just a rumor so far
(12:25 PM) Daniel X: anyone else in this
(12:25 PM) Tom_B: anyone not hve es spike ?'
(12:25 PM) Daniel X: ?
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(12:25 PM) Daniel X: i don't
(12:25 PM) dave_b_quik: what's yr ES LOD, dan?
(12:26 PM) tang: wtg tom
(12:26 PM) Daniel X: 997.500
(12:26 PM) Tom_B: i'm out
(12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto
(12:26 PM) Daniel X: +10 i hope
(12:26 PM) tomsurf: I have 979 ES with that spike down
(12:27 PM) MarkCA: 979
(12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: +14
(12:27 PM) dave_b_quik: 977.50 here
(12:27 PM) MarkCA: 977i mean
(12:27 PM) Daniel X: sorry 977.500
(12:27 PM) Orprepus: 977.5
(12:27 PM) tang: great buffy'
(12:28 PM) Daniel X: Buffy!good
(12:28 PM) Orprepus: thats why we don't buy this thing
(12:28 PM) Orprepus: great  buffy
(12:28 PM) Tom_B: can't understand y NQ didn't break ???
(12:28 PM) klonerdoug: nice buffy
(12:29 PM) jimbo_320: bk
(12:29 PM) Tom_B: got 8 pts 
(12:29 PM) Daniel X: Tom just pulled ahead of your broker ;-)
(12:29 PM) luv-to-trade: that's wonderful, Buffy!
(12:29 PM) luv-to-trade: great, TOm
(12:29 PM) Tom_B: $ 10 , lol
(12:30 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:30 PM) Daniel X: ur funny
(12:30 PM) dave_b_quik: maybe that spike was just an emini thing, anybody have the big SP?
(12:30 PM) Tom_B: really..it's me agnst bkr & mkt..
(12:30 PM) rich012: gotta be just an emini thing
(12:30 PM) Tom_B: UGLY
(12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 5M with TL
(12:31 PM) tomsurf: emini does that all the time when we've been in a tight range and all of a sudden it goes up/dn enuff to hit stops
(12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra had time line also
(12:32 PM) Tom_B: retro out looking for long side now ?
(12:32 PM) Daniel X: Underhanded Goons Leaching You...UGLY ...Tom?
(12:32 PM) tomsurf: presto- spikeola
(12:32 PM) Tom_B: u calling me UGLY ?
(12:32 PM) MarkCA: but there were no upspikes to hit the stops
(12:32 PM) Daniel X: no u said UGLY
(12:33 PM) bruce_lee_2: Hi room
(12:33 PM) Tom_B: spike...
(12:33 PM) bruce_lee_2: You me'o ke`m
(12:34 PM) bruce_lee_2: When will the War  stard ?
(12:34 PM) Daniel X: no War sorry
(12:34 PM) dave_b_quik: started a long time ago
(12:34 PM) jimbo_320: dan, you started shorting es again?
(12:35 PM) Daniel X: not today Jimbo
(12:35 PM) Daniel X: NQ only
(12:35 PM) dave_b_quik: bin laden declared war in '96
(12:35 PM) Tom_B: getting rdy to buy
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(12:35 PM) tang: at 93?
(12:36 PM) rich012: Anybody have the low on that last swing low for the big spoos?
(12:36 PM) Daniel X: he cannot declare war on behalf of the Muslim nation..he's not a religious leader
(12:36 PM) Tom_B: ask dbq...
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(12:37 PM) MarkCA: 977.5
(12:37 PM) jimbo_320: anyone make of that spike down?
(12:37 PM) tomsurf: that spike was why T says not to place your stops just below the high or low of the day
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: sears rumor
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: tower
(12:37 PM) jimbo_320: another bomb?
(12:37 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, that's why T uses stop/limit orders too
(12:37 PM) Daniel X: scare
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: u don't Dave?
(12:38 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, 1/2 the time
(12:38 PM) Daniel X: oh ok
(12:38 PM) rich012: the big spoos hit 977.50???
(12:39 PM) Daniel X: mini
(12:39 PM) tomsurf: rich- don't know...spikes have more to do with globex stops
(12:39 PM) tomsurf: minis
(12:39 PM) Daniel X: brb
(12:40 PM) Indycator: I am showing 986.00 low for spoos
(12:40 PM) rich012: right, but I want to know what the spoos low there was since that is what the floor will watch.  That ES low is useless.
(12:40 PM) rich012: tx, indy
(12:40 PM) klonerdoug: stop ripping spike it was i believe
(12:40 PM) rich012: I will adjust my EW charts 
(12:40 PM) Tom_B: path of least res, imvho is up
(12:41 PM) Daniel X: looks more of equal res
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: what are we at the open again?
(12:42 PM) dave_b_quik: singin the inside day blues
(12:42 PM) Daniel X: was due
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: the move will come overnight as usual
(12:43 PM) dave_b_quik: Buffy probably makin a killing
(12:43 PM) Daniel X: nightriders by invitation only
(12:43 PM) elly_34: i have a retro question dave
(12:44 PM) dave_b_quik: ok
(12:44 PM) elly_34: if you are in a trade and the stop becomes on the 5 min chart a pullback/up,,,,and time has gone by and it looks like 5 min is forming a reversal, do you ever stop and reverse at the same time?
(12:44 PM) elly_34: if it coincides with entry on 15 in the opposite dir
(12:45 PM) dave_b_quik: ya, if the 5m exit is also a 15m entry
(12:45 PM) Daniel X: often imo
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(12:45 PM) Daniel X: hard to catch them all
(12:46 PM) elly_34: is there a retro rule for having any particular point profit say +10 but there is still only a crash stop of -5
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: lol
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: n
(12:46 PM) elly_34: i mean if no higher stop is forming would retro let +10 turn into -5?
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: o
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: p
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: e
(12:46 PM) Daniel X: doesn't happen that often
(12:47 PM) elly_34: k
(12:47 PM) Daniel X: usually smaller loss or tighter stop comes 1rst
(12:48 PM) dave_b_quik: elly there's nothing written in the rules, but several people are using their own rule to hang onto those small gains
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: in anticipation of the reversal
(12:48 PM) luv-to-trade: so now retro is looking to buy 92.50 or sell 78?
(12:48 PM) dave_b_quik: y
(12:48 PM) Daniel X: yep
(12:48 PM) elly_34: but your results posted dave are per the written rules as of now?
(12:49 PM) Daniel X: is Dave answering the questions because i have him on ignor?
(12:49 PM) klonerdoug: todays trdes are posted at website?
(12:49 PM) rich012: another way to trade retro is when using more than 1 contract, tighten stops on 1 contract and keep wider stop on others.
(12:50 PM) elly_34: bar at 12:30 was short went for +10 then quickly back to -5
(12:50 PM) Daniel X: ditto Rich
(12:50 PM) jimbo_320: choppy but the trend is down
(12:50 PM) luv-to-trade: so if you are not presently in a trade, then the way to get in, is to buy or sell above or below the price of the previous 15 minute bar?
(12:50 PM) Daniel X: cut 1'2 position as a scalp hold the rest
(12:51 PM) Daniel X: yes Luv
(12:51 PM) Daniel X: in the direction of trend
(12:51 PM) luv-to-trade: I know it sounds crazy, but I actually think I am finally catching on.  I usually trade smaller time frames, and these bars take forever.....lol
(12:52 PM) rich012: right daniel.  More comfortable way of trading
(12:52 PM) Daniel X: lol yes they do
(12:52 PM) jimbo_320: 990 bottom of es lod trendline
(12:52 PM) rich012: luv, have patience  :-)
(12:52 PM) luv-to-trade: also, do you need to know pyro to do retro?
(12:53 PM) dave_b_quik: get a timer, luv
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: no
(12:53 PM) dave_b_quik: no, pyro is a whole 'nuther world
(12:53 PM) luv-to-trade: so say I sold 78.  would stop be 83, or would it be above top of bar?
(12:53 PM) Daniel X: Buffy having great success because thats he particular style
(12:53 PM) jimbo_320: poss down wedge forming
(12:54 PM) Daniel X: 83
(12:54 PM) luv-to-trade: I know!  I am amazed at how Buffy trades. Like a machine; so hard to do :)
(12:54 PM) dave_b_quik: luv, retro initial stop is never more than 5 pts
(12:54 PM) jimbo_320: is retro still sidelined
(12:55 PM) luv-to-trade: that's what I thought,. I was just wondering if you would use the bars for stops too
(12:55 PM) Daniel X: nope short 78
(12:55 PM) dave_b_quik: retro is short 1178
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(12:56 PM) elly_34: if retro takes 15 min in dir of trend,,,there is no trend today so wouldn't it be standing aside?
(12:56 PM) luv-to-trade: and when would stop be moved from 1183?
(12:57 PM) ppusa: Dan i sold 1200 only for a scalp. Got caught flat hooved at the HOD, Happened fast V top. 
(12:57 PM) Daniel X: oh ok thnx
(12:57 PM) ppusa: long now
(12:57 PM) ppusa: 83
(12:57 PM) dave_b_quik: elly, if retro was smarter, yes
(12:57 PM) Daniel X: rightlol
(12:57 PM) ppusa: hoping for another run to HOD
(12:58 PM) luv-to-trade: why long at 83 ppusa? is that a retro trade too?
(12:59 PM) ppusa: no
(12:59 PM) luv-to-trade: oh, sorry. trying to take everything in
(12:59 PM) dave_b_quik: lotta different styles in here
(12:59 PM) ppusa: I should have waited for a buy signal but didn't
(01:00 PM) Chris2811: imo targets 974...955
(01:00 PM) dave_b_quik: OK
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: Chris on what indicators
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: ?
(01:00 PM) ppusa: A long term trade by definition.
(01:00 PM) luv-to-trade: chop, chop
(01:01 PM) Daniel X: investor ;-)
(01:01 PM) Chris2811: chart and price patterns relative to fibnumbers
(01:01 PM) Daniel X: fibs ok thnx
(01:01 PM) jimbo_320: i am going add a retro rule for avoid chop into my auto-retro
(01:01 PM) dave_b_quik: that would be a big improvement, jimbo
(01:01 PM) Daniel X: i have that rule
(01:02 PM) Daniel X: stay out 11:30 to 13:00/13:30
(01:02 PM) Gorillatrader: with days like yestreday, makes up for many no trading, chop days
(01:02 PM) Daniel X: ditto
(01:02 PM) jimbo_320: started writing code yesterday :-) reckon about three weeks
(01:02 PM) luv-to-trade: was yesterday's trading more than 1 contract?
(01:02 PM) dave_b_quik: cool, jimbo, what platform?
(01:03 PM) Tom_B: Daniel express the rule in mathimatical terms, other than 2losses in a row=stand aside
(01:03 PM) Gorillatrader: jimbo, code in what program?
(01:03 PM) Daniel X: was almost tempted into that last 78 but just hoofing around
(01:04 PM) jimbo_320: C++ Java on NT, the feed uses TCIP
(01:04 PM) ppusa: higher low....suspense is building
(01:04 PM) Daniel X: Tom till a trend developes
(01:04 PM) Daniel X: on 5 min
(01:04 PM) elly_34: then retro would not have taken that last trade becuase 5 min has no trend either
(01:05 PM) jimbo_320: give me some ideas of chop rule, has to break out of last sw h sw l of 5 min chart?
(01:05 PM) Daniel X: trend was when swing low 83.50 was broken
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(01:05 PM) ppusa: u guys short flat or indiffernet?
(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: i'll have to give trading a miss to get it finished though
(01:06 PM) ppusa: indifferent
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(01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: flat, indifferent, hungry
(01:06 PM) Daniel X: fa la at
(01:06 PM) dave_b_quik: call me if something happens
(01:06 PM) elly_34: 83.50 is in the middle of todays range though, i don't see that as a trend break
(01:06 PM) ppusa: little triangle here
(01:07 PM) ppusa: going to kill the nas
(01:07 PM) luv-to-trade: I can't believe the dow has lost 300 and nas barely 30
(01:07 PM) Daniel X: rotation?
(01:08 PM) Daniel X: nas bargains
(01:08 PM) ppusa: percentage the same
(01:08 PM) klonerdoug: does seem kind of strange
(01:08 PM) klonerdoug: anyone think long here on mini breakout 1 min?
(01:08 PM) ppusa: already am
(01:09 PM) Gorillatrader: not very strange, look at the stocks/components of the DOW 30
(01:09 PM) Daniel X: this chop makes it so hard to get a feel of when we're going to pull out
(01:09 PM) klonerdoug: ur right g man on that too
(01:09 PM) rich012: kloner, not me
(01:09 PM) klonerdoug: ge pe was stupid too high
(01:09 PM) ppusa: maybe i will get out...there is still enough time to kill the markets one more tiime
(01:09 PM) Gorillatrader: "think" ???
(01:09 PM) elly_34: i have two -5's in a row if last two signals were taken
(01:10 PM) Daniel X: yes
(01:10 PM) Daniel X: gotta get spanked
(01:10 PM) klonerdoug: ok gorilla i'm having a tough day
(01:10 PM) Gorillatrader: no Gold Stars for that boy
(01:10 PM) Gorillatrader: relax
(01:10 PM) Indycator: Bass family had to sell 135m shares of Disney stock to meet margin call.....ouch
(01:11 PM) Daniel X: oohh i feel so sorry for them...horrible
(01:11 PM) Gorillatrader: klon, have rules that work. reduce stress
(01:11 PM) klonerdoug: i'm trying too ... been on edge since yd with all the planes flying overhead
(01:11 PM) klonerdoug: i should take a break for a while to chill out
(01:12 PM) Gorillatrader: my psychologist friend had great advice for me one time:  Don't worry or get razzled by things you can not control"
(01:12 PM) Daniel X: Doug when a plane flys out go short when it comes back cover
(01:12 PM) Gorillatrader: Then, what you can control, make a plan of attack to solve it
(01:12 PM) ppusa: come on GT, there are no rules that work in this chop other than a fast finger
(01:13 PM) Gorillatrader: yes there are rules that work in chop:  "STAY OUT".  Yesterday was a bonanza..makes up for whole month of trading, why give it back today
(01:13 PM) skyprince_1: Think a lot of this drop is margin call related from Monday?  As I recall, they would go out today from Monday's drop...
(01:14 PM) ppusa: i'm up today
(01:14 PM) ppusa: why stay out?
(01:14 PM) klonerdoug: no question there ur right gorilla
(01:14 PM) Daniel X: can't wait till the tax loss steps up to bat!
(01:14 PM) Gorillatrader: good for you, I am too this am trades
(01:14 PM) david h_2: GT what do you use to tell if it will be a chop or trend day?
(01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: you stay out when not sure to avoid giving it back
(01:15 PM) Gorillatrader: anyway, no more comments.
(01:15 PM) skyprince_1: david...look at the chart...pretty evident.
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(01:15 PM) Daniel X: thats how Bush was able to give those cheques out by going short went the Tax loss selling comes into play
(01:15 PM) ppusa: anyone read the comment i made awhile back about the down 15 minute bar that normally followed the up one we had an hour ago? Well went down didn't it!!!
(01:16 PM) david h_2: sky thats hindsight
(01:16 PM) ppusa: or how about we got enough time to kill the market again
(01:16 PM) ppusa: i'm making so much money today i will send u a check
(01:16 PM) Daniel X: for me?
(01:16 PM) skyprince_1: Well, pattern recognition is based on hindsight.  It's all we have, right?
(01:17 PM) Daniel X: well if you scroll up to the morning Jimbo and myself felt that a chop day was due
(01:17 PM) Daniel X: right at the open
(01:17 PM) skyprince_1: 40 pt range today.....and choppy...
(01:17 PM) dave_b_quik: good call
(01:18 PM) david h_2: yes - so its not till you have put on a trade or two and we see the  speed of the moves
(01:18 PM) rich012: Both ES and NQ have a down bias though.  Got a feeling they crack quite a bit lower this afternoon.
(01:18 PM) Daniel X: they could
(01:18 PM) skyprince_1: Daniel....crystal ball?  Gut feel? Or indicators?
(01:19 PM) ppusa: doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure the Nas isn't going limit up with the Dow down 300 points!
(01:19 PM) Daniel X: but the last few days news played a part in the moves
(01:19 PM) rich012: This doesn't look like typical sideways action after a big down.  There is still a lot of selling pressure.
(01:19 PM) ppusa: Besides, there is no up limit
(01:19 PM) Daniel X: Prince..experience
(01:20 PM) skyprince_1: Yes, no substitute for experience I guess....
(01:20 PM) Daniel X: just like the HOD but that one i'll leave for PPUSA
(01:20 PM) ppusa: I'm flat
(01:21 PM) dave_b_quik: we should start a HOD/LOD pool
(01:21 PM) Daniel X: ulent
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 3m with tl
(01:21 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:21 PM) Daniel X: ha
(01:21 PM) elly_34: so the code will be an autotrade system jimbo?
(01:21 PM) ppusa: missed the #$^&% HOD and whenever I do, I play extremes and look for scalps
(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: worst enemy is yourself  :-(
(01:22 PM) ppusa: much rather sell the HOD or buy the LOD and take a nap
(01:22 PM) elly_34: buffy have you posted your methods yet?
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: no got lost in the confussion of WTC
(01:22 PM) elly_34: understand
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: GT reminded me
(01:22 PM) dave_b_quik: lotta people been asking, buffy :-)
(01:22 PM) Daniel X: me too PP but ...........
(01:22 PM) ppusa: inside hour on hour chart and a triangle wound tighter than a slinky on the tick chart
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: so going to try to finish it this weekend
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: hard to get charts to show examples sometimes
(01:23 PM) elly_34: great
(01:24 PM) skyprince_1: ppusa....which way will it break?  Down?
(01:24 PM) ppusa: why the $#^$^%$& are you asking me?
(01:24 PM) ppusa: down
(01:24 PM) ppusa: actually i am 50.50 here
(01:25 PM) skyprince_1: That's safe
(01:25 PM) elly_34: up down or sideways
(01:25 PM) tomsurf: is this the train? LOL
(01:25 PM) ppusa: due for an up hour
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(01:25 PM) tomsurf: opps another hr
(01:25 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA last month i tried to get a feel to where we would go in 4 weeks when we at 1700 and i wanted to hold just one short to see i figured there was no way we were going up more than 1800 or so
(01:26 PM) tomsurf: this day is dragging
(01:26 PM) ppusa: agree Daniel
(01:26 PM) Daniel X: no cajones
(01:26 PM) dave_b_quik: no drawers?
(01:27 PM) skyprince_1: Volume a little low.....should pick up soon....
(01:27 PM) Daniel X: drawers too big..no cajones
(01:27 PM) ppusa: Orp and I had a conversation about where we would be and I figured a trading range 1350 to 1550 more likely than 1650 to 1850
(01:28 PM) skyprince_1: CNBC guy is nuts!  Mini capitulation??  An oymoron!
(01:28 PM) Daniel X: yes that coinsides with Mike's es estimate
(01:28 PM) skyprince_1: It is or it ain't.
(01:28 PM) Daniel X: lol
(01:29 PM) ppusa: yesterday's triangle broke to downside
(01:29 PM) ppusa: today's triangle break to upside?
(01:29 PM) Indycator: 2 inside bars on nq 15m
(01:29 PM) Daniel X: ha hoping now r we?
(01:29 PM) Indycator: sorry, ES
(01:29 PM) jimbo_320: nq is now above downtrend line of day on 5min
(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: drat doing to many different things and missed poke bar breakout of my tl I posted
(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well
(01:30 PM) ppusa: I will take the NEXT 15 minute bar signal
(01:30 PM) Daniel X: vol still crumy
(01:31 PM) elly_34: has anyone gone back and looked at the performance of retro on any daily inside bar range days?
(01:31 PM) jimbo_320: ema 20 is 83
(01:31 PM) jimbo_320: needs to take out 1190
(01:32 PM) dave_b_quik: generally pretty poor, elly
(01:32 PM) tomsurf: elly- no system works in all market conditions
(01:33 PM) Indycator: tom, dang
(01:33 PM) jimbo_320: go,go go
(01:34 PM) ppusa: day like today every trader looks at 7 days down and says i am a buyer. have to shake 'em all because they can't all make money
(01:34 PM) dave_b_quik: BREEEAAAKOOOUUUT
(01:34 PM) dave_b_quik: sorry, didn't mean to get so excited
(01:35 PM) ppusa: inside bar on  hour chart broke out up
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(01:36 PM) elly_34: i am not looking for retro to work in all market conditions tom
(01:36 PM) jimbo_320: locking in 7 :-)
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(01:37 PM) ppusa: yea now they will shake everyone that just bot by pulling back and hitting all the sell stops at the point of breakout
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(01:39 PM) skyprince_1: DOW heading down again
(01:40 PM) ppusa: i have a buy signal on 10 and 15 point PnF
(01:40 PM) ppusa: means nothing
(01:40 PM) Tom_B: es holding on, sOOO FARRR
(01:41 PM) Tom_B: cm'on Daddy needs to pay the mortgage...
(01:41 PM) jimbo_320: out +11 on 1/2 yeehaa
(01:41 PM) ppusa: what is 1/2?
(01:41 PM) jimbo_320: half my position
(01:42 PM) ppusa: yeehaa
(01:42 PM) dave_b_quik: nice going, jimbo
(01:42 PM) jimbo_320: its going higher
(01:42 PM) Tom_B: es is looking ovr the hedges
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: very nice jimbo
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: have buy stop over poke bar on 5M now since I missed the 3M
(01:44 PM) skyprince_1: Buffy....95?
(01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: 1195.50
(01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: 2 tics
(01:45 PM) skyprince_1: ty
(01:46 PM) jimbo_320: dow 8500, stumbling block so far
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: sad thing is big diff between entry on 3m and one on 5m
(01:46 PM) Daniel X: the trap is set
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(01:46 PM) dave_b_quik: buffy, yr 3m entry was 87?
(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: poke bar high of 1184.50 so would of been 1185.50
(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: want me to post?
(01:47 PM) ppusa: If nq goes up, in hind sight, i will say "nothing to this trade. 8 days down, all nq needed was a real LOD and then up"....If nq goes down, I will say....Dow down 300, obviously no rally today. They will save it for tomorrow.
(01:47 PM) dave_b_quik: that wud be great, buffy, thanks
(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: sound more like an analysts than ppusa  LOL
(01:48 PM) luv-to-trade: this keeps trying to go up
(01:48 PM) ppusa: i have a secret chart that I use...says 1204.5 is key to rally
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: called 3M3
(01:49 PM) dave_b_quik: tnx
(01:49 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, I'm buying ppusa, thank you :)
(01:49 PM) luv-to-trade: lol
(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: also posted 5m4
(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: that shows how it has been testing the TL
(01:50 PM) Mario73: Hello Traders! I have a very big request
(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: which is
(01:50 PM) dave_b_quik: yo, mario
(01:51 PM) Mario73: Does anybody of you have the last 3 contracts of the emini-Nasdaq future
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: if it goes back beneath TL then will cancel BS
(01:51 PM) Mario73: I need 3min and 5min Charts
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted both to the website mario
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: what software you have?
(01:51 PM) Mario73: of the H and M 
(01:51 PM) Mario73: ensign 
(01:51 PM) skyprince_1: Indecision reigns...
(01:51 PM) Mario73: which webpage
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: todays folder
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com
(01:52 PM) jimbo_320: last shakout before we bring in buyers
(01:52 PM) Mario73: there I will find the data for these contacts?
(01:52 PM) dave_b_quik: he needs back data, buffy
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: oh sorry
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: why can't ensign fill it in?
(01:52 PM) Mario73: yes historical data - 3min and 5min charts
(01:52 PM) dave_b_quik: i only have sept
(01:52 PM) Mario73: the refresh goes only back about 60days
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: dave handles that LOL
(01:52 PM) skyprince_1: Sell volume seems to have the edge here...
(01:53 PM) Mario73: wait a moment dave
(01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: BS cancelled
(01:53 PM) dave_b_quik: Mario, did you check the ensignsoftware website?
(01:54 PM) Mario73: no
(01:54 PM) Mario73: will I find historical data there
(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: watching now
(01:54 PM) Mario73: Dave, how long back do you have the U contract?
(01:54 PM) dave_b_quik: i'll look and see
(01:54 PM) jimbo_320: +2 stop on the other half
(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: put bs back in
(01:55 PM) ppusa: nice flag
(01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra says ok if triggered
(01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: long
(01:55 PM) ppusa: go you piece of #^$%%!!!
(01:56 PM) jimbo_320: gogo
(01:56 PM) Tom_B: got it
(01:56 PM) ppusa: bot the flag
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(01:56 PM) jimbo_320: should of filled up on the shaekout to 85
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: $%^#$*@@#%$
(01:56 PM) ppusa: GT are you in????
(01:56 PM) Daniel X: no fill
(01:57 PM) ppusa: come on GT, stop pouting and talk to us!!!!!!!
(01:57 PM) ppusa: please
(01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: he got it using the 3m unless looking elsewhere like I was
(01:57 PM) jimbo_320: tkae 1200 for HOD
(01:58 PM) ppusa: pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease
(01:58 PM) jimbo_320: 8500 on dow
(01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: do I see emotions ppusa?
(01:58 PM) jimbo_320: 1000 es
(01:58 PM) dave_b_quik: nice #
(01:58 PM) ppusa: home free nq!!!
(01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: first book I read said don't think about the money think about the trade - money will take care of itself
(01:59 PM) jimbo_320: big numbers here
(01:59 PM) Tom_B: retro ..L'Animal
(01:59 PM) tomsurf: Buffy- very true and I always have a hard time with that, lol
(01:59 PM) ppusa: "nothing to this trade. 8 days down, all nq needed was a real LOD and then up".
(02:00 PM) dave_b_quik: bonds really crashed
(02:01 PM) jimbo_320: out +17 on the other half , yeeha
(02:01 PM) Buffy_04364: great jimbo
(02:01 PM) dave_b_quik: kudos, jimbo
(02:01 PM) jimbo_320: that was a 5min trade, dont usually trade that
(02:02 PM) Mario73: Dave, did you find some data for me?
(02:03 PM) dave_b_quik: no, sorry, it only went back a month
(02:04 PM) Mario73: no problem  - I will send an email to the usergroup - maybe somebody there has some data for me - thanks for your help
(02:04 PM) jimbo_320: es retro 15min is 1002
(02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: ppusa, was eating lunch.  too much chatting is distracting to my trading
(02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: I also trade other markets
(02:04 PM) ppusa: glad you are back
(02:04 PM) Gorillatrader: besides the indexes
(02:05 PM) ppusa: or does that mean you were short?
(02:05 PM) Gorillatrader: me?  I have positions in other markets.
(02:06 PM) ppusa: kiddin' ya
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(02:06 PM) ppusa: i am going to wait now until the next hour and try to buy it's low
(02:08 PM) Daniel X: train no t far now
(02:08 PM) jimbo_320: can u set a buy stop limit at 1002 stop price 1001.5 limit price?
(02:09 PM) jimbo_320: or have the prices got to be the same?
(02:09 PM) rich012: can be different
(02:09 PM) jimbo_320: but you will not get filled unless the limit price is traded?
(02:10 PM) jimbo_320: dow 8500
(02:16 PM) ppusa: may have seen the HOD for nq
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(02:16 PM) Daniel X: can you spell M-A-N-I-P-U-L-A-T-I-O-N
(02:17 PM) ppusa: Dow down 300, obviously no rally today. They will save it for tomorrow. 
(02:18 PM) dave_b_quik: LOL
(02:18 PM) Daniel X: South train not boarding
(02:18 PM) jimbo_320: do we get a train? right on trendline
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: one way or another
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: yes
(02:19 PM) ppusa: 10 and 15 point PnF's needed this drop
(02:20 PM) jimbo_320: looking clunky
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: on purpose
(02:21 PM) Daniel X: very controlled moves
(02:21 PM) rich012: jimbo, a stop lof 1002 with a limit buy of 1001.50 means that when 1002 is traded, your order becomes a bid at 1001.50.  If price was moving up when stop is hit, your 1001.50 may never trade.
(02:22 PM) ppusa: the breakout was from 1182...do you suppose go back there?or this is a setup for the next hour low in 8 minutes and up again
(02:22 PM) rich012: That maybe be fine for entering, but not good for exiting a trade.
(02:22 PM) jimbo_320: thanks rich, i didnt want to try it, i guessed thats what happened
(02:22 PM) Tom_B: chink in the armor
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: Retro short @1193
(02:23 PM) ppusa: the high of the rally 1203.5 was right at overhead TL's and ma's
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: can he get a winner?
(02:24 PM) jimbo_320: tick sinking
(02:24 PM) Tom_B: cm'on retro 
(02:26 PM) ppusa: 1185.5 low of flag
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(02:26 PM) Daniel X: gonna call it quits here sickening to watch so intensly...have a great everyone!
(02:27 PM) ppusa: cya
(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: bye daniel
(02:27 PM) dave_b_quik: thanks, dan
(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: u 2
(02:27 PM) Tom_B: bye
(02:29 PM) jimbo_320: cu
(02:35 PM) rich012: Muhammed Ali on Fox News.  Tough to watch him.  Talking better than I last heard him though.
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(02:39 PM) jimbo_320: this is getting tedious !
(02:40 PM) ppusa: broke out from 82...had to hit the stops
(02:41 PM) Tom_B: torturous
(02:41 PM) elly_34: is that 9 min daniel?
(02:41 PM) ppusa: now what's next
(02:42 PM) Tom_B: I'm out of donations
(02:43 PM) ppusa: all a trader needed to do today was realize everyone wanted to buy and they weren't going to make it easy!!!
(02:45 PM) dave_b_quik: a random walk kinda day
(02:45 PM) Tom_B: walk on my face
(02:45 PM) ppusa: haha
(02:46 PM) ppusa: sorry to hear that Tom
(02:46 PM) Tom_B: I'm holding on to yesterdays thoughts
(02:46 PM) ppusa: but still funny
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(02:47 PM) ppusa: yea when i look at my tick chart, i get sick
(02:47 PM) Tom_B: unforunately i'm used to it but still haven't found a way to  "enjoy" it
(02:47 PM) ppusa: up down pullback, turn up
(02:47 PM) Tom_B: it 's like doing the hula..swivel hips
(02:47 PM) ppusa: chop day play the extremes
(02:48 PM) ppusa: nq all the way back to breakout point and now up
(02:48 PM) Tom_B: now wht ?
(02:49 PM) ppusa: stuck between LOD and HOD
(02:49 PM) larrybf: JIMMER- do you play bollinger band "ping pong" when the markets are trending like they were on tuesday and wednesday?
(02:51 PM) Tom_B: ma's are flatliner
(02:51 PM) Indycator: how was your vacation Jim?
(02:52 PM) jimmer49: larry - hard to answer since I wasn't here.  Just got back from vacation last nite.
(02:52 PM) Gorillatrader: ;
(02:52 PM) jimmer49: Was good vacation.  I was in a cabin on Orcas Island in Puget Sound when disaster hit on 9/11.  No tv, no radio.  Found out several hours after.
(02:53 PM) dave_b_quik: ah, the simple life
(02:53 PM) skyprince_1: jimmer...where on Orcas?
(02:54 PM) Gorillatrader: nice jimmer, just what we need
(02:54 PM) jimmer49: Beach Haven, about 2 miles from Eastsound.
(02:54 PM) skyprince_1: Oh yeah...no it...is Bilbo's still in Eastsound?
(02:55 PM) jimmer49: Don't recall Bilbo's
(02:56 PM) skyprince_1: Outside courtyard....Mexican faire....using fresh island herbs. spices...hope they didn't go belly up.
(02:56 PM) Tom_B: shrt
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(02:57 PM) ppusa: i just bot
(02:57 PM) ppusa: sold 84
(02:57 PM) tomsurf: jimmer- went on a sea kayaking trip years ago and camped on Orca island one night.....beautiful place
(02:58 PM) ppusa: possibility of big up here
(02:59 PM) ppusa: Tom i think a tick chart would help you in this mess
(02:59 PM) Tom_B: y, wht tframe ?
(02:59 PM) ppusa: you would see all these "V" pushes
(02:59 PM) yiayia_2: no ppusa I think they ran the stops
(02:59 PM) ppusa: compress the lines together very close
(03:00 PM) Tom_B: how many tics ?
(03:00 PM) ppusa: yes, i don't know about the final outcome but i do think a tick chart would help
(03:00 PM) ppusa: 30 ticks
(03:01 PM) Tom_B: y, 120, 60 ?
(03:01 PM) ppusa: i use 30
(03:01 PM) Tom_B: ok, tnx, i'll ck it out
(03:02 PM) ppusa: If you look at the tick chart you can see every retro style signal is close to a "V" bottom or top meaning they reverse
(03:02 PM) ppusa: but you have to compress the lines together
(03:03 PM) ppusa: i use bar spacing of one or two Ensign
(03:04 PM) ppusa: not all retro style signals but the retro SINGLE line signals
(03:04 PM) larrybf: thanks for the answer jimmer.Do you set  a minimum width that the bands have to be in order to use them as indicators?
(03:05 PM) jimmer49: larry - on 1 min must be 5 or better on NQ to be worth doing, On 3m 10 or more.
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(03:07 PM) larrybf: thanks jimmer. i use 3min charts. good to know so i avoid the bands when they are compressed in "squeeze" mode
(03:08 PM) jimbo_320: zzzz
(03:08 PM) ppusa: long
(03:09 PM) ppusa: out
(03:10 PM) jimbo_320: pp i blinked and missed that trade lol
(03:10 PM) ppusa: same here
(03:10 PM) ppusa: blind orders
(03:11 PM) ppusa: long
(03:12 PM) ppusa: //
(03:12 PM) ppusa: \\
(03:12 PM) jimbo_320: 10 pt range in 3 min on  that last candle
(03:13 PM) ppusa: You can draw a TL over the last 3 highs
(03:13 PM) ppusa: anyone wants to go long wait for it to break???
(03:13 PM) jimbo_320: not me
(03:14 PM) ppusa: oout
(03:14 PM) tomsurf: GT- not on buddy list so Paltalk not letting me respond
(03:15 PM) ppusa: Buffy u there?
(03:15 PM) ppusa: here
(03:16 PM) Gorillatrader: try now
(03:16 PM) ppusa: triangle nq
(03:16 PM) Gorillatrader: Buffy having connection problems
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(03:17 PM) jimbo_320: enough watching for me, bye, enjoy scapling !
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(03:20 PM) ppusa: tight triangle...last time ran to 1202 on break
(03:20 PM) ppusa: this time???
(03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: well guess the dsl decided to come back
(03:21 PM) ppusa: Buffy u c this triangle?
(03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: I haven't been able to see a thing since 2:50
(03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: booting charts now
(03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: at least I think I am back in here
(03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: typed a lot before I realized not really here LOL
(03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: gee I am here aren't I?
(03:24 PM) ppusa: y
(03:24 PM) GGriz: I just got back toooo
(03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: 73
(03:24 PM) GGriz: pretty choppy
(03:24 PM) GGriz: Hi
(03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: what TF ppusa?
(03:25 PM) GGriz: this looks like a box to me 
(03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: ticki data not all there!
(03:25 PM) ppusa: triangle turned into a box
(03:25 PM) GGriz: expiration thrashing on es 
(03:26 PM) GGriz: thrashing
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(03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: when I first saw charts said sell but didn't trust my instincts and wanted to check everything LOL
(03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well
(03:28 PM) ppusa: dow collapse
(03:32 PM) ppusa: had the triangle pole bar and reversed
(03:32 PM) ppusa: are the patriots going to come to the rescue today
(03:34 PM) Orprepus: we are already here
(03:34 PM) Gorillatrader: Patriots ran out of gun powder and horses tired from yesterday
(03:35 PM) Orprepus: cash protection team funds been diverted for war
(03:36 PM) beanman_1: and airlines bailout
(03:36 PM) GGriz: am I here yet?
(03:36 PM) ppusa: was a nice triangle break
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(03:37 PM) GGriz: hello?
(03:37 PM) ppusa: ggriz
(03:37 PM) GGriz: k
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(03:37 PM) GGriz: I was dumped off and missed it all
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: you are here
(03:37 PM) luv-to-trade: what in the world is holding up the nq?
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing on its way down
(03:37 PM) luv-to-trade: well, I guess nothing now.......
(03:38 PM) GGriz: can I sell the bottom of this bar?
(03:38 PM) ppusa: d o w 3 7 1 m i n u s 
(03:38 PM) ppusa: time to buy
(03:38 PM) ppusa: patriiots
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra so close to yesterdays reversal interesting watching
(03:39 PM) ppusa: i wish you had been watching that triangle with me
(03:39 PM) ppusa: you are good with those
(03:39 PM) luv-to-trade: didn't the reversal up start before this tho?
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry me too though
(03:39 PM) ppusa: on the triangle?
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: would of been ready for short
(03:40 PM) GGriz: mee too
(03:40 PM) ppusa: luv?
(03:40 PM) Gorillatrader: the support at 1181 broken, good short entry
(03:40 PM) luv-to-trade: didn't yesterday's reversal up start earlier than this?
(03:40 PM) ppusa: here comes the cavalry
(03:41 PM) skyprince_1: yes...
(03:42 PM) luv-to-trade: not calvary; bottom-fisshers
(03:42 PM) luv-to-trade: fishers
(03:43 PM) ppusa: grab a pole
(03:44 PM) ppusa: if nq breaks 1180 same pattern as yesterday
(03:44 PM) ppusa: ififififif
(03:45 PM) skyprince_1: Short covering coming in...
(03:47 PM) GGriz: guess I won't try nuttin
(03:47 PM) GGriz: worriec about getting dumped again
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(03:47 PM) GGriz: foooooey
(03:47 PM) skyprince_1: Yeah...lots of nervous traders....
(03:48 PM) GGriz: flame me somebody, feels like I am talking to myself
(03:48 PM) GGriz: Lol
(03:48 PM) Tom_B: Talking Heads, "Psycho Trader"
(03:48 PM) elly_34: bye all see u tomorrow
(03:48 PM) skyprince_1: :)
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: bye elly
(03:48 PM) GGriz: bye
(03:48 PM) Tom_B: bye
(03:51 PM) ppusa: here we go again
(03:52 PM) ppusa: tooo burnt out to trade agan today
(03:53 PM) ppusa: ?
(03:53 PM) ppusa: gap open
(03:53 PM) Tom_B: brble, brble
(03:53 PM) ppusa: Tom did you check out that tick chart?
(03:53 PM) Tom_B: got it on the screen
(03:54 PM) ppusa: Ensign?
(03:54 PM) luv-to-trade: looks like no calvary today; gonna close near lows
(03:54 PM) ppusa: 5 minutes to go luv
(03:55 PM) Tom_B: y, Ensign
(03:55 PM) ppusa: see all the V's?
(03:55 PM) luv-to-trade: even if it shoots up 100, it will still be closer to lows than highs for today
(03:55 PM) Tom_B: y
(03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: what TF on the tick chart ppusa and tom
(03:56 PM) ppusa: Dow i guess
(03:56 PM) ppusa: Not quite the same for nq
(03:56 PM) ppusa: 30 tick
(03:56 PM) ppusa: no time frame
(03:57 PM) Tom_B: 30 tic
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(04:00 PM) ppusa: over 27 rt's today no fun, too much work
(04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: only 13 here
(04:00 PM) Orprepus: pp you are the scalp king
(04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: that tells you how much I was down
(04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(04:01 PM) ppusa: Really hard to hit the highs and lows scalping
(04:02 PM) ppusa: make that 28
(04:02 PM) dave_b_quik: wow, i hope yr broker sends you a gold watch or something
(04:02 PM) Tom_B: I was thinking the same thing
(04:03 PM) Tom_B: i shd get a car
(04:03 PM) ppusa: to them i am a major pain in the 
(04:03 PM) ppusa: they don't care
(04:03 PM) ppusa: web orders no commission
(04:03 PM) ppusa: Man Futures should send me a jet
(04:03 PM) dave_b_quik: dancing girls
(04:03 PM) Gorillatrader: no commission?
(04:04 PM) ppusa: the company gets it
(04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: no broker
(04:04 PM) ppusa: who needs dancing girls when we have buffy
(04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: :-)
(04:04 PM) Orprepus: now now
(04:04 PM) barbarra: anyone trade with IB ?
(04:04 PM) dave_b_quik: y
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(04:05 PM) Tom_B: anyone use those ensign bands ?
(04:05 PM) luv-to-trade: brb
(04:05 PM) ppusa: when all this crap is through i will ask them to pick us all up and fly us to a beach.
(04:05 PM) dave_b_quik: the uniform channels?
(04:06 PM) Tom_B: they'll be at the beach..
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: the colored ones right tom
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: that can be at bottom or top of chart?
(04:06 PM) Tom_B: y, on top
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I have played with them some
(04:06 PM) Tom_B: red, grn
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: why?
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: RAZ posted charts uses them a lot but still don't know who RAZ is
(04:07 PM) ppusa: 50 cents says market opens higher and no one has a chance to get in who didn't get in today
(04:07 PM) Tom_B: do they change after the fact, like a disappearing signal ?
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(04:07 PM) Gene417: trying to find kingfish--anyone seen him
(04:07 PM) dave_b_quik: hasn't come around in a month or so
(04:08 PM) skyprince_1: Big
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know if they a work in progress until the close of bar or not tom
(04:08 PM) skyprince_1: Bib bettor ppusa!  I'll raise ya to $1
(04:08 PM) ppusa: goodbye all,   burnt here
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: bye ppusa
(04:08 PM) Tom_B: bye
(04:08 PM) Tom_B: tnx,i hve them on a tic chrt
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: howard not on right now
(04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: he disappeared while I was unable to connect
(04:14 PM) GGriz: when do we get the new ver?
(04:14 PM) GGriz: today still?
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: working with it now
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know GGriz
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: howard not around
(04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: what size tick 
(04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: he most probably didn't realize I wasn't connected and wondered why I did not answer
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(04:17 PM) skyprince_1: Thnks all...learn more each day...today was tough, but still profitable...room helps...
(04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: yes agree
(04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: great team
(04:19 PM) klonerdoug: well best performed today very well
(04:19 PM) klonerdoug: fwiw
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(04:34 PM) rambler_12: http://www.esquilax.com/baywatch/index.shtml
(04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: what is that rambler?
(04:36 PM) rambler_12: a cute diversion from the tedium of the day
(04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: k
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(04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: see the differences Orprepus?
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(05:31 PM) Ensign Software: buffy, I think I found the cross over where in a window in a layout would get different studies and properties.  I found a short sequence that would give me the problem by going to the chart properties window.  The cross over confusion has been resolved and a new beta will be posted shortly.
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(06:11 PM) Ensign Software: yes
(06:12 PM) Buffy_04364: great
(06:12 PM) Ensign Software: which name?
(06:12 PM) tommy_159: just post the whole link...
(06:12 PM) tommy_159: i am on another PC
(06:12 PM) tommy_159: I dont have the web site
(06:12 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2001-09-20/Buffy-4m%20pyra1.gif
(06:12 PM) tommy_159: thanks
(06:13 PM) Ensign Software: ok, 1 sub window with STO 45 label
(06:13 PM) Ensign Software: yes
(06:13 PM) Ensign Software: 80 and 20
(06:14 PM) Ensign Software: is this window also in December?
(06:14 PM) Ensign Software: let me open December and check myself
(06:15 PM) Ensign Software: 1 moment
(06:16 PM) Ensign Software: 4-min in Dec has the Sto grid lines, but no OBV   I think you said you added OBV after sending me the Dec workspace
(06:17 PM) Ensign Software: I will add OBV and resave and reopen  1 moment
(06:18 PM) Ensign Software: ok, resaved with OBV and changed to 2nd wkspace and back to Dec and all came back fine.  good.
(06:19 PM) Ensign Software: the EMA are on the chart
(06:19 PM) Ensign Software: is that correct?
(06:19 PM) Ensign Software: good
(06:19 PM) Ensign Software: ok,
(06:20 PM) Ensign Software: may have to clean up behind us from prior problem and expect not to happen again.
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(06:22 PM) Ensign Software: yes,
(06:22 PM) Ensign Software: OK, NICK>QUO file received and saved now I see your quote page too
(06:24 PM) Ensign Software: yep, same here
(06:24 PM) Ensign Software: think the property window visit was the gremlin we were looking for and I narrowed it down to that before you did.   So, it is fixed in the current beta and you should have smooth sailing tomorrow.
(06:25 PM) Ensign Software: need to run and watch a football game my son plays in.  be back after supper. bye
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(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: hi roger
(06:31 PM) Roger Schelling: hi
(06:32 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me?
(06:32 PM) Roger Schelling: can you here me?
(06:32 PM) Buffy_04364: no can't hear you brb
(06:32 PM) luv-to-trade: I hear both of you
(06:36 PM) luv-to-trade: Is there anyone in here that does the retro?  I was going thru yesterday's stats line-by-line, and had a question
(06:36 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me luv
(06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: I hear you
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(06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: did you understand?
(06:37 PM) luv-to-trade: 10:17 sold 1238
(06:38 PM) luv-to-trade: 11:42 got out because of higher low on 5 minute bar
(06:39 PM) luv-to-trade: ya
(06:40 PM) luv-to-trade: 10:35 higher low 
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(06:42 PM) ann_87: 10:35 start of bar time
(06:42 PM) ann_87: 10:40 end of time
(06:43 PM) ann_87: i think
(06:43 PM) luv-to-trade: 10:30 bar low was 1217; 10:35 bar low was 1220
(06:43 PM) ann_87: some data vendors show times different
(06:44 PM) luv-to-trade: your 10:35 bar doesn't show a higher low?
(06:45 PM) luv-to-trade: ohhhhhhh
(06:45 PM) luv-to-trade: new stop would have been 1226?
(06:47 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, so you want to wait for a few 5 minute bars to make sure
(06:47 PM) luv-to-trade: not just one bar
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(06:53 PM) luv-to-trade: lucky me
(06:53 PM) luv-to-trade: lol
(06:55 PM) luv-to-trade: I will see you later
(06:55 PM) luv-to-trade: thank you very much :))
(06:57 PM) Buffy_04364: use mic to get my attention if I don't answer keyboard
(06:57 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
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(07:19 PM) laniermasters: anybody there?  Peter Jennings on ABC is about to do a report on investigation of financial manipulation by terrorists.
(07:19 PM) laniermasters: now 7:19 edt
(07:22 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks lanier
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(08:46 PM) scott_24: anyone here familiar with the way fig retracements work in Qcharts?
(08:46 PM) Buffy_04364: I might remember
(08:46 PM) Buffy_04364: what is your ?
(08:47 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me?
(08:47 PM) scott_24: can yu hear me?
(08:47 PM) Buffy_04364: no brb
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(08:50 PM) laniermasters: I just walked in - what tool are you looking for?
(08:53 PM) laniermasters: I got TradeStation because of the fib tool
(08:54 PM) laniermasters: TS will do that. 
(08:54 PM) laniermasters: I'm going to switch to other computer w/ mic.
(08:54 PM) Buffy_04364: yes do you want me to post it
(08:54 PM) laniermasters: brb
(08:57 PM) Buffy_04364: I can do it in ensign
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(09:00 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted ensign which will not do all to my knowledge
(09:00 PM) Buffy_04364: but sure does one
(09:03 PM) Buffy_04364: when was this?
(09:03 PM) Buffy_04364: there is one now
(09:03 PM) Buffy_04364: espl
(09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: there has been many many upgrades just since april
(09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: no problems here
(09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: testing a beta right now with many changes
(09:04 PM) Buffy_04364: will be able to email workspaces like qcharts
(09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: much more user friendly since I left qcharts in april
(09:05 PM) laniermasters: pres. starting to speak
(09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember that
(09:05 PM) Buffy_04364: tks lanier
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(09:09 PM) Buffy_04364: ok np
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(09:37 PM) Buffy_04364: brb
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(09:41 PM) Buffy_04364: bk
(09:41 PM) Buffy_04364: well lanier
(09:41 PM) Buffy_04364: your thoughts on if it will affect the market tomorrow
(09:43 PM) laniermasters: I switched back to the desktop (no mic) so I can reload TradeStation on the laptop.  My judgment is faulty.  I thought we'd have a bounce this morning and went long the DOW before the open.  Mistake.  
(09:43 PM) Buffy_04364: yep
(09:44 PM) laniermasters: I think the person who put up the chart saying next change of Trend probably w/o 10/19 is correct.  I picked 3rd week of October some time back as significant several months ago.  I think the volitility will settle down then.
(09:44 PM) laniermasters: What that means the market will do, I don't know.
(09:44 PM) Buffy_04364: PA rules
(09:45 PM) laniermasters: I need to get into PA at some point.  Now am enjoying seeing your charts on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com.
(09:46 PM) Buffy_04364: glad you like them
(09:46 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(09:46 PM) laniermasters: you're welcome
(09:47 PM) Buffy_04364: we are trying to sort charts so easier to find stuff 
(09:48 PM) laniermasters: I can hear you on this machine, if you want to talk.  I just haven't figured out why the mic won't work on it.  TradeStation hates other programs, so I finally quit running anything else on the laptop with TradeStation.  
(09:48 PM) laniermasters: Sooner or later I'll get a new desktop.
(09:48 PM) laniermasters: Don't you have about 3 already?
(09:49 PM) trader_Cheri: is Hanksterr in here?
(09:49 PM) laniermasters: That makes sense.
(09:50 PM) laniermasters: That sounds ideal.  Why dual video cards?
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(09:50 PM) laniermasters: Do you ever worry about radiation from all the eqpt?
(09:51 PM) trader_Cheri: geez, I never thought about it, I think I'm a gonner
(09:51 PM) laniermasters: Are you surrounded also?
(09:53 PM) laniermasters: I have my 2 monitors with the tv in between.  I love my setup also.
(09:53 PM) laniermasters: I just wish everything worked all the time!
(09:54 PM) laniermasters: Did you trade today?
(09:55 PM) Buffy_04364: phone brb
(09:55 PM) laniermasters: I think I need to stop thinking and just trade retro, follow the rules, make no judgments.  I get too analytical.
(09:55 PM) laniermasters: And figure out something will probably happen that doesn't!
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(10:02 PM) Buffy_04364: here
(10:02 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what GT would say LOL
(10:03 PM) laniermasters: I need to talk to him about TradeStation sometime.
(10:03 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what he uses
(10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: he was suppose to be in here tonight to talk about my system but he got sidetracked
(10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: which is no problem here
(10:04 PM) Buffy_04364: for sure
(10:04 PM) laniermasters: another time
(10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: k
(10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: he wasnts to understnd it
(10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: to incorporate into retro I think or some of it
(10:05 PM) Buffy_04364: might be too thinking for him LOL
(10:08 PM) laniermasters: would be interesting to program something down the road.
(10:08 PM) Buffy_04364: that is his goal I think
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(10:09 PM) laniermasters: right now TradeStation won't open any of my save workspaces/charts, etc., so I'm not too happy with it at the moment.
(10:09 PM) Buffy_04364: I bet you aren't
(10:10 PM) laniermasters: I think it hates my laptop, but the desktop is too slow for it.
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(10:11 PM) Buffy_04364: mine is only a 450 and 500 mz
(10:13 PM) laniermasters: desktop is 400 w/ 256 memory; Laptop is 700 mhz and 512 memory.  It's great.  The display screen is even better than the 21" that goes with the desktop.
(10:13 PM) Buffy_04364: my 500 win9SE has the 256 and the win2k450 has the 512
(10:15 PM) laniermasters: more memory really helps.
(10:15 PM) Buffy_04364: sure does
(10:16 PM) laniermasters: do you have windows 98 on one machine?
(10:16 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(10:18 PM) Buffy_04364: the one that does this and the net etc
(10:18 PM) Buffy_04364: bridge on the zone etc
(10:19 PM) laniermasters: did you ever try  Ensign with Win 98?
(10:19 PM) Buffy_04364: no I haven't
(10:20 PM) laniermasters: any kinkly little problems with Window 98 and the program, besides the monitors?
(10:21 PM) laniermasters: I wondering if my problems aren't as much Win 98 as with TradeStation.  
(10:21 PM) laniermasters: great
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(10:22 PM) laniermasters: At this point I can't figure out how to reload the software.  - Sounds like it.
(10:22 PM) laniermasters: I'll switch to other machine. brb.
(10:24 PM) Buffy_04364: can u hear me?
(10:26 PM) Buffy_04364: brb
(10:29 PM) laniermasters: buffy didn't hear you
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(10:33 PM) Buffy_04364: bk
(10:33 PM) laniermasters: is your sound working?
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(10:48 PM) GGriz: Hi
(10:48 PM) GGriz: well thanks
(10:48 PM) GGriz: got it
(10:48 PM) GGriz: does it crash?
(10:49 PM) GGriz: way to go!!
(10:49 PM) GGriz: so how is Orp doing?
(10:49 PM) GGriz: no 
(10:49 PM) GGriz: yes 
(10:49 PM) GGriz:  sort of like Orp's
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(10:54 PM) GGriz:     shell= Explorer.exe
(10:55 PM) Gorillatrader: Nimda worm?
(10:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(10:56 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what we are talking about
(10:56 PM) Buffy_04364: it is bad
(10:57 PM) Gorillatrader: I have a friend that has it, can't get rid of it even with McAfee
(10:57 PM) Buffy_04364: oh great GT
(10:57 PM) Buffy_04364: not nice
(11:01 PM) Buffy_04364: I like that
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(11:04 PM) Gorillatrader: http://www.tradestation.com/tscom/TSupgrade.asp?Get=1
(11:04 PM) Buffy_04364: I am so glad it is raining here finally
(11:04 PM) Buffy_04364: hope it rains all day tomorrow
(11:05 PM) laniermasters: thanks!
(11:06 PM) GGriz:    help yourself, I need some sun to get the boat work done
(11:06 PM) laniermasters: switching computers
(11:07 PM) Gorillatrader: www.tradestationpro.com/tscom/firstlogon.asp
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(11:19 PM) laniermasters: just got back online (without the mic).  Do you have retro programmed in easy language?
(11:20 PM) Gorillatrader: nope