Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. tomsurf: good morning dave dave_b_quick: hi tom tomsurf: unbelievable events, really sad tomsurf: you doing ok? dave_b_quick: ya, still kinda numb tomsurf: I hear that tomsurf: I'm just on reading tidbits here and there dave_b_quick: ya, everybody has something to say dave_b_quick: hope we can pull 'em out by the roots without making new enemies tomsurf: agree Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! tomsurf: I also really hope that something good can come out of all this. dave_b_quick: ya, hard to imagine, but i hope so tomsurf: have you read anything of value about what may happen when our markets do finally open? dave_b_quick: no, bonds are open and they say futures will open today dave_b_quick: bonds are pretty steady after the first 45 min tomsurf: really, didn't know that the futures were gonna open today dave_b_quick: i just heard on the news this morning dave_b_quick: CME site says equity index products not before Friday dave_b_quick: other products today tomsurf: boy the net is slow with info.........yes that's what I've read too dave_b_quick: interest rate, foreign exchange and commodity markets and its Nikkei 225 equity index futures open today tomsurf: so no idex futeres then today dave_b_quick: just nikkei tomsurf: index Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: morning all (08:59 AM) Buffy_04364: Hi Vegas (09:00 AM) tomsurf: hi Buffy, good morning (09:00 AM) VegasTrader: hi .. looks like another flat day. (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: m tom (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: yep doubt if this "back to normal" for us until Monday (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: but then normal isn't normal anymore either (09:01 AM) Buffy_04364: especially if those other two buidings collapse (09:01 AM) tomsurf: yes, it's going to be strange Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (09:01 AM) tomsurf: just hard to believe (09:02 AM) VegasTrader: it is encouraging that there is limited cme trading (09:03 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, nice to see that bonds are steady (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it is (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: and the great manipulation going on to prevent the "dive" (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: love it (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: such unity (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: traders are doing a great job (09:04 AM) Buffy_04364: America will prevail (09:04 AM) tomsurf: It sure will! (09:05 AM) marilyn_8: morning (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: morning marilyn (09:05 AM) dave_b_quick: "don't fight evil with evil, but overcome evil with good" (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:06 AM) dave_b_quick: we shall overcome (09:06 AM) marilyn_8: I dont want to see what is coming it wont be pretty (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: I went to Howard's room yesterday and got to see the new software of which he posted screen shots under yesterday's date. Sure helped to make me think of something else (09:06 AM) marilyn_8: did it Buffy (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: Iwas surprised to see so many people involved in the attack - 50 I think (09:07 AM) tomsurf: Buffy, great (09:07 AM) dave_b_quick: what is the new software, buffy? (09:07 AM) marilyn_8: I havent upgraded since let me see ohhhhhhhh dear Feb 24th what month is this (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard is doing a total revamp in many respects for ensign (09:07 AM) marilyn_8: wow (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: we will be able to email workspaces to each other (09:07 AM) tomsurf: Howard amazes me (09:07 AM) tomsurf: cool (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: you will be able to have like a 4M charts set up many different ways and it will remember it (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: not just the settings for one (09:08 AM) dave_b_quick: it had to be a big outfit: they had intelligence research, engineers, pilots, commandos, ground support... (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: templates are nothing more than applying group studies and draw tools now - so much cleaner and faster (09:08 AM) marilyn_8: well Dave they have found 50 so how many more you think 10x that many maybe (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: What amazes me Dave is they all kept it quiet (09:09 AM) marilyn_8: Buffy that sound really good (09:09 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe some governments involved too (09:09 AM) tomsurf: Buffy, any word on when it's going to be released? (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it will be marily (09:09 AM) marilyn_8: yes well in as much as they harbor known madmen/criminals (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: you have missed much by not updating more often (09:10 AM) VegasTrader: well since it is only 6am and there is no trading i'm taking advantage of a rare opportunity to do some "trading" in zzzzzz's (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: it needs to be beta tested first because of such a big change (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: night vegas :-) (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe see you later (09:10 AM) thoff: gm (09:10 AM) marilyn_8: yes and that is why I dont always upgrade (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: m thoff (09:11 AM) marilyn_8: I wait til they get it right always little annoying bugs in there (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: changes are all for the good with howard marily (09:11 AM) tomsurf: vegas, yes that is something we rarly get ;-) (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: added much more Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: gee feb wwas before the influx of qchart users (09:11 AM) marilyn_8: well it takes a little debugging Buffy (09:11 AM) marilyn_8: and I wait for that to be weeded out Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plush s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: the new one but not the ones up until now (09:12 AM) marilyn_8: yes (09:12 AM) marilyn_8: the up to now should be perfected (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it sure is - use it all the time (09:12 AM) marilyn_8: what is the qcharts you referred to (09:12 AM) dave_b_quick: whenever index futures open, we'll be in the december contract (09:12 AM) dave_b_quick: right? (09:12 AM) Buffy_04364: no (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't think so dave (09:13 AM) marilyn_8: I use Pmbe they change it so I hardly remember the letters anymore Dave (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: I received something that said the rollover will be 1 day after the markets open (09:13 AM) tomsurf: think it's the 3rd Thursday of the month dave (09:13 AM) marilyn_8: ohhhhhhhhh (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: this is the time for exceptions tom (09:13 AM) tomsurf: true (09:14 AM) marilyn_8: it is usually before the middle of the month I thought Tomsurf (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: what I received from a fellow trader says (09:14 AM) marilyn_8: someone always tells me they know me lol (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: Both the CME and the CBOT have deferred rollover from Sept to Dec until 1 day AFTER equities ave re-opened (09:15 AM) tomsurf: yes, volume comes in then marilyn, just that the offical rollover date is always the 3rd Thursday (09:15 AM) marilyn_8: well maybe may be stuck in it hadnt thought of that (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: now not saying it is so just sayng we have to be aware it maybe so (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: and call brokers (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: things change so fast still (09:15 AM) tomsurf: yes, it'll be confusing at first Buffy (09:16 AM) tomsurf: rollover is a choppy thing (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: not everything decided on stays decided (09:16 AM) marilyn_8: the bonds are suppose to be trading and other commodities (09:16 AM) marilyn_8: anyone watch any of them (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: yes they are (09:16 AM) marilyn_8: I dont think I have any of those charts setup (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: the bond traders are dong a great job letting no one control the market (09:16 AM) Buffy_04364: I don't either (09:16 AM) marilyn_8: wondered how they are doing I mean are traders participating in numbers yet (09:17 AM) marilyn_8: Great (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: no very low volume (09:17 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, bonds are within the range of last few trading days (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: many I know took the rest of the week off if they were flat (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: gentleman's agreement dave (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: working so far (09:17 AM) marilyn_8: you know I am ashamed to say this but before Tues I didnt know the name Bin Laden (09:18 AM) dave_b_quick: you don't have a TV, marilyn? (09:18 AM) marilyn_8: I do not like politics in any shape or form never have (09:18 AM) marilyn_8: I dont watch the news as a rule Dave (09:18 AM) marilyn_8: I ususally touch on Good Morning America until Joe leaves (09:19 AM) marilyn_8: then it is off for the day (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: don't blame you marily (09:19 AM) marilyn_8: Dave you might be surprised at the amount of people that just prefer not to see the news honest (09:19 AM) marilyn_8: I always thought it was misnamed should be BADS (09:19 AM) dave_b_quick: i don't usually have time to turn on the TV at all (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: that is true marilyn (09:20 AM) marilyn_8: I forgot why I dont watch it I am too darn sensitive (09:20 AM) tomsurf: marilyn- I'm with you (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: there are some beautiful stories out there for this tragedy though (09:20 AM) marilyn_8: I dont want to see people murdered or politicians lie (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: and at least they are reporting it (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: them (09:20 AM) marilyn_8: Oh yes that 93 flight (09:21 AM) marilyn_8: that was tear jerking heros (09:21 AM) tomsurf: those people were heros on flight 93 (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: yes and from people who escaped WTC too (09:21 AM) marilyn_8: to choose to take a chance and die rather than to injure others (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: yes they did (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: and I for one am very grateful to them (09:21 AM) marilyn_8: yes Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (09:21 AM) jeff_meek: every set of passengers would have done the same thing if they had known (09:22 AM) tdee_2: have they found any black boxes from the airplanes yet? (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: now Dave how do you fight evil with good (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: not yet Tdee (09:22 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, the first planes probably would have mobbed the hijackers too if they had an idea what their plan was (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: not that I heard (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: well they were told there was a bomb onboard (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: and they the were complying (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: and that they were returning to the airport (09:22 AM) marilyn_8: so they sat there (09:23 AM) marilyn_8: and died (09:23 AM) marilyn_8: oh how sad (09:23 AM) jeff_meek: yes. this had never happened before. no reason to fight the terrorists. Best thing in a hijacking *was* to go along (09:23 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, they still were hoping to survive (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: they figure heat too intense for black boxes (09:23 AM) marilyn_8: my grandkids flew here a couple weeks ago and I did not want them to fly alone first time 7 and 10 years old (09:24 AM) jeff_meek: wtc black boxes will never be found (09:24 AM) marilyn_8: maybe not on the Pa plane Buffy (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: one thousand to two thousand degrees (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: that is hot (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: true marilyn (09:24 AM) marilyn_8: it was hotter Buffy (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: oh that is what I saw (09:24 AM) marilyn_8: tv said 2 to 4 k (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: see, can't trust these reports LOL (09:25 AM) marilyn_8: well they report what they hear (09:26 AM) marilyn_8: I told my husband when our grandkids came here to Florida from Indiana what if something happened would you want them to be terrorized and die alone that is how women think sorry guys (09:26 AM) marilyn_8: he flys all the time and said NOTHING will happen (09:26 AM) marilyn_8: and thank God nothing did (09:26 AM) dave_b_quick: my 9yo flew from NYC to Buffalo alone last month (09:27 AM) marilyn_8: now it is scarey isnt it Dave (09:27 AM) marilyn_8: would you allow your child to do it again (09:27 AM) dave_b_quick: ya (09:27 AM) marilyn_8: security would have to be a lot better for me to even think of it (09:28 AM) dave_b_quick: he's probably in more danger riding with me on the highway (09:28 AM) marilyn_8: I dont need a coke and nuts I need a kungfu expert armed (09:28 AM) marilyn_8: you drive crazy lol (09:28 AM) marilyn_8: I am a woman driver what do I know (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: i'm a much more conservative driver at 50 than i was at 25, but driving is still the most dangerous thing we do (09:29 AM) marilyn_8: Dave as for the TV I have been sadly glued to it since Tuesday like in shock or something (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: i know the feeling (09:29 AM) marilyn_8: Oh yes I know that one Dave (09:29 AM) Daniel X: no trading? (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: just bonds (09:30 AM) Daniel X: thnx (09:30 AM) marilyn_8: And what do you know the President was a target (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: yes, that is why air force one did those weird things we all wondered about (09:31 AM) marilyn_8: yes Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (09:32 AM) dave_b_quick: they musta had SAM's somewhere if they were targeting AF1 (09:32 AM) marilyn_8: seeing people joyous in the streets hit a real sour note too (09:32 AM) marilyn_8: you would think so Dave (09:32 AM) marilyn_8: I mean finding it and running into it is a long shot two long shots actually (09:33 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, we have a lot of Arab stores in Buffalo, and a friend was in one and caught them cheering. He straightened them out. (09:33 AM) marilyn_8: OMG (09:33 AM) marilyn_8: I tell you they best be careful we are not doves (09:33 AM) Daniel X: no were not (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: and never will be (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: hi GGriz (09:34 AM) Daniel X: now u know why they did what they did (09:34 AM) marilyn_8: good bye (09:34 AM) GGriz: Hi Buffy (09:34 AM) dave_b_quick: still, i hope people don't take it out on Arab Americans (09:34 AM) GGriz: Hi team (09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:34 AM) dave_b_quick: yo, griz (09:34 AM) GGriz: Hi Dave (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks again for giving me the "shove" to go to howards session (09:35 AM) tomsurf: moring Griz :-) (09:35 AM) GGriz: hope you saved the transcript (09:35 AM) marilyn_8: I need a reminder too Buffy (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: can u believe I didn't I was not that with it (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: most of it was talking anyway (09:36 AM) GGriz: we had power problems, huge storm here, and had to shut off computers (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: I look at the posts he did and think of what he said (09:36 AM) marilyn_8: where is here Griz (09:36 AM) GGriz: maybe Howard saves 'em?? (09:36 AM) GGriz: Alaska (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: there really wasn't something to save with all his talking GGriz (09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: he didn't type anything (09:37 AM) marilyn_8: ohhhhhhhhh darn (09:37 AM) tomsurf: Alaska, cool...beautiful place (09:37 AM) GGriz: how do I get esignal tick charts to fill in ? (09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: I am sure he will release it a couple of days before he can do a class on it (09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: I am going to be a beta tester as you know so will be able to help (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: for when GGriz (09:38 AM) Daniel X: so you'll become a beta trader (09:38 AM) tomsurf: Griz, have to turn on the tick server (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: there is no data for so long you would have to change your tick server (09:38 AM) Daniel X: you know ebonics?!! (09:38 AM) Daniel X: lol (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: I doubt if it will be anywhere near as bad as beta testing QCharts! (09:39 AM) GGriz: I had incomplete data on my tick chart ans I deleted the bars thinking the server would restore the charyt (09:39 AM) GGriz: chart (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: and fixes will be a lot fater (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: oh I have some infor on tick charts from Howard (09:39 AM) GGriz: I set ticd server to 2 hours, is that correct? (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: but ggriz your server has to be set back far enough to pick it up (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: no days back (09:39 AM) GGriz: K tnx (09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: the only way to maintain an accurate tick chart is to leave it on all the time and not change it (09:40 AM) marilyn_8: well off and running see you later bye :) (09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: bye marilyn (09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: take care (09:41 AM) GGriz: hmmm still not restoring (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue GGriz (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: on line rep maybe Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: that feature is pretty cool (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: esignal (09:41 AM) Indycator: griz, try closing the window and reopening (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: yes indy that has worked for many Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49¢ each plus s&h. CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ¢ EACH! (09:42 AM) Indycator: I had to do that this morning to get a refresh (09:42 AM) GGriz: got it, thanks Indy (09:43 AM) GGriz: did sp roll today (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: I have something that says rollover delayed until 1 day after equities start trading (09:44 AM) GGriz: tnx (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: with things changing so much we need to call and make sure (09:44 AM) GGriz: don't see any trading going on today? (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: bonds and commodities (09:44 AM) Indycator: no prob, griz....bonds trading (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: only (09:44 AM) Indycator: CME, CBOT (09:44 AM) GGriz: what is symbol for 30s? (09:44 AM) GGriz: ES isn't trading (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: no clue here (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: no it isn't (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: that is why I said bonds and commodities (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:45 AM) Indycator: :) (09:45 AM) GGriz: Buffy, you must stop saying you are clueless, I insist! (09:45 AM) dave_b_quick: Griz, electronic bonds are ZB, pit is US (09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:45 AM) GGriz: thanks Dave (09:46 AM) Buffy_04364: well ggriz if I don't know the answer I am clueless :-) (09:46 AM) dave_b_quick: you have to subscribe to CBOT to get bonds data tho (09:47 AM) GGriz: right, I forgot, I have the thrifty nickle package (09:47 AM) GGriz: what about interest rate symbols (09:47 AM) dave_b_quick: i could post a picture of it if you want (09:47 AM) dave_b_quick: so far an inside day on bonds (09:47 AM) GGriz: not necessary Dave (09:48 AM) GGriz: wind is trying to rip my roof off (09:48 AM) timing 2: dave or any one that own t.s 2000i i am trying to hook e signal need help thanks?? (09:48 AM) dave_b_quick: sorry, i don't use TS (09:48 AM) timing 2: ok thanks (09:50 AM) timing 2: c.m.e promised to send u all unemployment benefits lol (09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: lol Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure, get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com! CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT! (09:52 AM) timing 2: buffy or we saved $$ ,e-mini benefits (09:53 AM) dave_b_quick: I posted a 130m bonds chart (09:53 AM) timing 2: buffy u use e signal whats the e mini symbol can get it going (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: there was just an unconfirmed report that Afghanistan - being so afraid of our retaliation - has Laden under house arrest (09:54 AM) dave_b_quick: i thot he lived in a tent? (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: NQ u1 for sep and z1 for dec (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: ES same (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: just relaying the news story dave (09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: I thought so too (09:55 AM) timing 2: thanks (09:55 AM) tomsurf: interesting news Buffy. (09:56 AM) Buffy_04364: yeah but is it true (09:56 AM) timing 2: all the geniuses forgot to tell me to use a space (09:56 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: "Taliban have arrested Osama bin Laden before placing him under surveillance with several of his assistants," (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: including the head of the Egyptian branch of Al-Jihad Ayman Al-Zawahri and bin Laden's military commander, Muhammad Atef Al-Makni (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: "A number of Afghan fighters are under house arrest along with bin Laden," said the report late Wednesday (09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: also states it is unconfirmed (09:58 AM) GGriz: good only need one cruise missle (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: they do do that timing (09:58 AM) timing 2: think us need to take over middle east+afganistan and get the nonsese over with (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: decimals get forgotten too :-) (09:58 AM) tomsurf: Those people are scared cause they know they pushed us too far. (09:58 AM) GGriz: russia tried that, it doesn't work (09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: true tom (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: and we have most behind us (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: on whatever we do (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: United Nations ruling helps also (09:59 AM) dave_b_quick: still, we have to be smart and not just strong (09:59 AM) GGriz: I always wanted to go there, it looks like beautiful country (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: yep we do dave (09:59 AM) Buffy_04364: so far we are dong just that (10:00 AM) Buffy_04364: but who knows what is being discussed (10:00 AM) dave_b_quick: the most natural reaction is usually the wrong reaction (10:00 AM) timing 2: g.g nice woman too (10:00 AM) dave_b_quick: how can you tell? (10:01 AM) dave_b_quick: (with Purdah) (10:01 AM) tomsurf: dave- yes usually emotional and a mistake (10:01 AM) GGriz: DAVE !!!! (10:01 AM) GGriz: Remember the G rating (10:01 AM) GGriz: LOL Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details, CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's! (10:03 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (10:03 AM) rich012: buffy, where did you get the info on bin Laden? The networks don't seem to be reporting that. (10:04 AM) dave_b_quick: buffy is connected (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: yahoo austrailia (10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: top new (10:05 AM) dave_b_quick: they just reported it on NPR, too (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: see your connected too Dave (10:05 AM) Indycator: definitely not clueless (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: only clueless guys when I don't know the answer LOL (10:05 AM) tomsurf: Buffy, how in the heck do I get Yahoo Oz? (10:06 AM) dave_b_quick: au.yahoo.com (10:06 AM) tomsurf: ok, thanks ;-) (10:09 AM) dave_b_quick: i guess paltalk is going down...