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Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk.Buffy_04364: that is badBuffy_04364: hate things like thatBuffy_04364: yes we hear youTom_B: saw itBuffy_04364: yes we canTom_B: they don't know if accident or terrorist..Buffy_04364: and a comercial plane tooTom_B: privateBuffy_04364: cnn said commercialBuffy_04364: interestingBuffy_04364: per one of their own eye witness reportersBuffy_04364: hmmBuffy_04364: hope not many hurtTom_B: now it's a 727 ????...confusing at the best..Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors.Buffy_04364: just happenedBuffy_04364: always that wayBuffy_04364: thanks ellyPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!Buffy_04364: what news you watchingTom_B: another just hit the other towerthoff: gm everyoneBuffy_04364: morningbeanman_1: Buffy,.. you watching the newsBuffy_04364: I turned it on when elly told us what happenedthoff: what happenedbeanman_1: looked at the daily pyra chart I posteddave_b_quick: was there some bad news this morning?beanman_1: 2 suicide planes apparently crashed into the world trade centerdave_b_quick: WOWGorillatrader: looking at newsBuffy_04364: this isn't going to go well at allBuffy_04364: Hi GTbeanman_1: at first they thougth it was an accident , then another hit while I was watchingppusa: cnn just showed a plane going inGorillatrader: terroristsBuffy_04364: ickBuffy_04364: why does it have to be like thatBuffy_04364: really upsets me no matter where it is Buffy_04364: but in the us......Gorillatrader: a 737Buffy_04364: more soCytrader: GeezumCytrader: A terrorist attack, I bet.dave_b_quick: 737 is big, 200 passengers or so?Cytrader: Did two planes hit it?beanman_1: yesppusa: smaller planestomsurf: oh my, looking at the pictures nowGorillatrader: be careful of any emini trades, if they halt NYSEDaniel X: oh my gosh lets all sell sell sellDaniel X: sillyppusa: cnn showing tape nowDaniel X: tomsurf..link plzppusa: plane going inGorillatrader: the tower could collapse from structural failuretomsurf: Daniel- I just turned on CNN, that's allDaniel X: oh okshimster_1: Gmorning allldave_b_quick: morning shimPaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!dave_b_quick: can you see the smoke from yr house, shim?tomsurf: beanman or Buffy- what is "COT" on the pyra charts?Buffy_04364: change of trendbeanman_1: change of trendBuffy_04364: :-)tomsurf: Oh, thanks ;-)Buffy_04364: firefighters must be wondering if there is going to be anymore planesDaniel X: all the news sites are busy..cannot get onBuffy_04364: lots of wallstreet have offices or headquarters in thereTom_B: Looks like 2 hijacked commercial planesGorillatrader: they saying American airline airplane hijacked and flown in purposeDaniel X: PPUSA did u bail last night?Buffy_04364: united 757 was highjackedBuffy_04364: for one of themppusa: yesDaniel X: phew!ppusa: good griefppusa: hijacked planesDaniel X: well we got thegap!Daniel X: both hijacked?Tom_B: yDaniel X: size?Cytrader: Wonder if the 757 was fully loaded.Daniel X: what? !!!757rich012: 737rich012: MSNBC says 737rich012: NO other detailsrich012: Oc course, the news is often wrong early on with the detailsbeanman_1: Maria. said "757" Airbus  she must not fly much..Daniel X: backin 10minsBuffy_04364: yes there were saying 737 but cnn said from united employeeBuffy_04364: as you said though they will sort it all out in timeBuffy_04364: everyone confused and shocked nowBuffy_04364: wondering if we should even trade with all the possibilities out thereGorillatrader: I'm not trading..they can make a halt on all exchanges at any timeBuffy_04364: like more attacks either there or elsewhereBuffy_04364: sounds good GT really doesrich012: Wall Street could be attacked, you never know.Buffy_04364: don't need the added stress of worrying about them doing thattomsurf: Gonna just hang for awhile hereBuffy_04364: it does look like they have made it the focal point richBuffy_04364: ]so we practice today Gorillatrader: They could fly into Wash DC...White House?rich012: Get into the mind of a terrorist...Wall Street could easily be a targettomsurf: GT, heck yappusa: delayed openingsTom_B: I'm in Chgo with Sears Tower & few others, hope someone is looking after them...rich012: I think that the WTC was attacked because of the past attackPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!rich012: Really show how vulnerable things really are if someone is crazy enoughGorillatrader: Price we pay for freedomTom_B: All NY commodities are closed per Best..don't know abt dx'sDaniel X: not freedom..oilTom_B: indx'srich012: That footage they are showing of the 2nd jet is really terrifyingrich012: NOw they are saying it was AA jet from BOS to LArich012: That means it had passengers if correctrich012: Tragicelly_34: what is BOS?rich012: BostonBuffy_04364: bottom of squareBuffy_04364: TOS is top of squareBuffy_04364: EOS is end of squareBuffy_04364: sorry teach me to read first  :-)jimbo_320: gday tradersDaniel X: mornin JimIndycator:    GT, you watching the bonds?  Daniel X: Jimbo heard the news over there?(09:32 AM) jimbo_320: whats up, notice a bit of a sell off(09:32 AM) Daniel X: planes crash into trade center(09:32 AM) Daniel X: world(09:32 AM) jimbo_320: what sort of planes, jumbo?(09:33 AM) cctraderx: hello all(09:33 AM) Daniel X: 737(09:33 AM) jimbo_320: serious?(09:33 AM) cctraderx: what a tradgedy(09:33 AM) Daniel X: you bet(09:33 AM) cctraderx: very serious(09:33 AM) rambler_12: i have the opening bell on my puter but no quotes(09:33 AM) jimbo_320: when did that happen(09:33 AM) dave_b_quick: NYBOT is in WTC, no?(09:33 AM) cctraderx: 9am est(09:33 AM) Daniel X: bout an 1 hour ago(09:33 AM) cctraderx: no NY trading - suspended(09:34 AM) tomsurf: Lind says the mini is trading but I have no quotes(09:34 AM) cocoa_23: bush called the terrorists these "folks"!!(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: well that answers that question(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: no trading(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: neither do I(09:34 AM) jimbo_320: terrorists ?(09:34 AM) cocoa_23: suspended indefinitely(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: yes they think so(09:34 AM) Buffy_04364: tks cocoa(09:34 AM) cctraderx: looks like it jimbo(09:35 AM) cocoa_23: right from a hollywood movie-what's fiction is now reality(09:35 AM) jimbo_320: lots of causalities ?(09:35 AM) Daniel X: Best said only the large nq and sp are halted(09:35 AM) cocoa_23: dont see any trading on the djPaltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups?Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELPon your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'.(09:36 AM) ppusa: everything is suspended(09:36 AM) ppusa: fytyres tooPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(09:36 AM) cocoa_23: jimbo-probably-one plane was 767 from boston(09:36 AM) ppusa: futures(09:37 AM) Indycator: t-bonds still trading(09:37 AM) cocoa_23: how's the government supposed to prevent things like this?(09:38 AM) jimbo_320: was it a bomb?(09:38 AM) dave_b_quick: if those were cross country flights they had a lot of fuel on board(09:38 AM) Cytrader: It can't. (09:39 AM) jimbo_320: so is the wto destroyed?(09:39 AM) marilyn_8: it is on fire  both towers (09:39 AM) cocoa_23: top part(09:39 AM) marilyn_8: two planes at the same time (09:39 AM) jimbo_320: wtc, thats the tall one with the two towers?(09:39 AM) marilyn_8: yes(09:39 AM) cocoa_23: hole in the building(09:39 AM) marilyn_8: two big holes(09:39 AM) Indycator: can't imagine being the pilot and forced to fly into a building with a plane full of passengers(09:39 AM) marilyn_8: with smoke rolling out(09:39 AM) dave_b_quick: when a 747 takes off fully loaded it has so much fuel that it's too heavy to land until a large part of the fuel is used.  For an emergency landing they have to jetison fuel first.(09:40 AM) ppusa: nasdaq is suppose to open at 10 EST(09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: I doubt it but we will seee(09:40 AM) marilyn_8: one was a american airline 767  from boston(09:40 AM) ppusa: the picture of the second plane looked like a 2 engine 737?(09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: scarey to be watching the first ones results and see the second one go into it(09:40 AM) ppusa: 767(09:40 AM) marilyn_8: I tell you   be thankful I have no say in any retaliation   I would not be kind(09:41 AM) jimbo_320: wow, just seen pictures on tv(09:41 AM) marilyn_8: terrible isnt it Jimbo(09:41 AM) Gorillatrader: explosion at the pentagon(09:41 AM) Daniel X: get out a here GT!!!(09:41 AM) marilyn_8: what (09:41 AM) ppusa: gt are you serious(09:41 AM) Tom_B: y(09:41 AM) marilyn_8: omg(09:41 AM) marilyn_8: you guys seen the news?(09:42 AM) cocoa_23: bush-we'll find those folks that committed this act-i wouldn't call them folks(09:42 AM) Indycator: white house being evacuated now too(09:42 AM) Gorillatrader: yes(09:42 AM) Gorillatrader: NBC(09:42 AM) cocoa_23: nothing on cnn about pentagon explosion(09:42 AM) rich012: NBC not too sure about that Pentagon report(09:42 AM) dave_b_quick: with our heavy handed policies abroad we have a lot of people gunning for us(09:42 AM) marilyn_8: oh they will brag soon(09:42 AM) ppusa: nasdaq 11:30 EST(09:43 AM) ppusa: now cnn fire at pentagon(09:43 AM) marilyn_8: dave  that isnt all   with our loose security here  it makes us an easy target     (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: we may not be trading for days(09:43 AM) marilyn_8: my heart is all the way up in my throat    (09:43 AM) cocoa_23: how can kamakasi hits be prevented? (09:44 AM) Gorillatrader: Big smoke at pentagon(09:44 AM) marilyn_8: no comment cocoa (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: victoria's father and mother in world tower 8th floor(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: no not mother sister(09:44 AM) marilyn_8: unreal GT(09:44 AM) marilyn_8: OMG   (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: T just told me(09:44 AM) jimbo_320: sounds like the hijacked and aa 737 and boeing 767 and crashed them into the wto. There is footage of the second one hitting the wtc(09:44 AM) marilyn_8: it looks higher Buffy(09:44 AM) cocoa_23: people you know?(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: so prayers are needed there guys(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it does(09:44 AM) rich012: NBC confirming bomb at pentagon detonated(09:44 AM) Daniel X: damn took B/E on theat first 1 limit in for 1336 long or short(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: Victoria works with T in her room now - they are not trading at all today(09:45 AM) Gorillatrader: We have no security in this country..we too easy, anybody come in and out(09:45 AM) marilyn_8: as long as they look ok   GT(09:45 AM) jimbo_320: third plane hijacked into the pentagon(09:45 AM) Indycator: showing footage of the pentagon now(09:45 AM) marilyn_8: like you can tell from how someone looks(09:45 AM) cocoa_23: hi shimster(09:45 AM) Tom_B: syaing...bomb(09:45 AM) dave_b_quick: to prevent stuff like this it would take large no-fly zones and big guns to enforce them, very messy(09:45 AM) Indycator: palestinian group claiming responsibility(09:46 AM) rich012: Crap, we are under attack by the SOB's(09:46 AM) cocoa_23: sounds like star warsPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(09:46 AM) Indycator: t bonds all over the place now(09:46 AM) marilyn_8: now what do you do    turn that other cheek   or do you flatten every city in their country(09:46 AM) tomsurf: Pentagon plane crash too(09:47 AM) dave_b_quick: smoke at white house too(09:47 AM) Indycator: wow(09:47 AM) tomsurf: per CNN(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: this has me so upset(09:48 AM) marilyn_8: me too Buffy (09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: I am so glad we have the room to talk about it(09:48 AM) jimbo_320: next time it will be a nuke, that is very worrying(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: tks all(09:48 AM) Gorillatrader: I want to see the Democrats block more funding for defense(09:48 AM) marilyn_8: going to throw up      such indicriminate murder of innocent souls (09:48 AM) dave_b_quick: somebody overseas was pretty upset to go to all this trouble to hurt us(09:49 AM) the man_23: hhhhhhhhhh(09:49 AM) ppusa: i called my brokerage firm in chicago and the guy was panicked because he is in a high rise(09:49 AM) tomsurf: White House and Capitol are being evacuated(09:49 AM) marilyn_8: OMG (09:49 AM) marilyn_8: Bush was in Florida right?(09:49 AM) ppusa: people jumping from towers(09:50 AM) Buffy_04364: going for a coffee brb(09:50 AM) Gorillatrader: yes(09:51 AM) Gorillatrader: Palestine group claiming credit..Tom Brokaw(09:51 AM) beanman_1: they just denied it..(09:51 AM) Buffy_04364: no more planes taking off anywhere per FAA(09:51 AM) tomsurf: all take offs suspended by FAA(09:51 AM) ppusa: all planes in us are ordered to land(09:52 AM) ppusa: anywhere(09:52 AM) rambler_12: i suspect class warfare-- havenots against haves(09:52 AM) marilyn_8: they probably think it is a holy war(09:53 AM) rich012: Bush was in Sarasota(09:53 AM) jimbo_320: was the wtc full at the time?(09:54 AM) rich012: Had to be(09:54 AM) rich012: was 9:00 am(09:54 AM) rich012: NBC and MSNBC seem to be first with the news so far(09:55 AM) rich012: They have so many bureaus(09:55 AM) dave_b_quick: don't see how anybody in the upper floors could survive(09:55 AM) tomsurf: geez, just saw the footage of the 2nd plane flying into the WTC(09:55 AM) dave_b_quick: looks like the explosion went all the way through the building and out the other side(09:56 AM) rich012: This is very upsetting to see our country attacked like this.Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(09:56 AM) Daniel X: Ben Laden?(09:56 AM) Tom_B: pentagon was a plane...floors collapsed, etc(09:56 AM) ppusa: interesting they used are planes too(09:56 AM) rich012: Oklahoma City was very bad, but this will be remember for decades....Hopefully it is over(09:57 AM) dave_b_quick: when you're big, you're also a big target(09:57 AM) rich012: I tried calling a relative in DC...circuits appear to be all busy.  No ring(09:57 AM) Gorillatrader: rich, this might be the beginning not the end(09:57 AM) Daniel X: ditto GT(09:57 AM) rich012: That is what I fear also, GT(09:57 AM) rich012: Imagine the security at airports after this(09:57 AM) jimbo_320: anybody who has a plane cound do this load it with explosives and fly into a high profile target.(09:58 AM) dave_b_quick: also pentagon and white house(09:58 AM) jimbo_320: there is no solution except to shoot them down(09:58 AM) rich012: jimbo, u are right.  Any nut could do that.(09:58 AM) dave_b_quick: not that easy, jimbo(09:59 AM) ppusa: how are they going to shoot down passenger planes(09:59 AM) Daniel X: problem is it's not done by "nuts"(09:59 AM) jimbo_320: they cant thats the problem(09:59 AM) cctraderx: nuts aren't this coordinated(09:59 AM) dave_b_quick: yes(09:59 AM) Daniel X: very symbolic(09:59 AM) rich012: They are nuts in our culture, but heroes in their culture(09:59 AM) rich012: Coordinated(09:59 AM) tomsurf: not acidents(10:00 AM) rich012: Hijacked(10:00 AM) jimbo_320: two bombs and three hijacked planes all together(10:00 AM) rich012: All exchanges should be shut down(10:00 AM) Daniel X: i don't think they're nuts rich not for a second(10:00 AM) ppusa: news said plane at pentagon(10:00 AM) marilyn_8: so two planes to the wtc    and one to the pentegon     was it a bomb in the white house and pentegon them Jimbo(10:01 AM) Gorillatrader: bulding collapsing(10:01 AM) rich012: Another explosion(10:01 AM) rich012: IN NYC(10:01 AM) marilyn_8: Well Daniel  they have a different way of thinking   that appears nuts to most of the world(10:01 AM) jimbo_320: another explosion just now(10:01 AM) ppusa: another plane hit(10:02 AM) marilyn_8: where (10:02 AM) Indycator: this is just escalating(10:02 AM) Daniel X: where?!!!(10:02 AM) ppusa: wtc(10:02 AM) Tom_B: looks like a piece of WTC fell(10:02 AM) Indycator: in the financial district daniel(10:02 AM) rich012: Geeze, NY is burning(10:02 AM) Gorillatrader: building collapsing due to structural failure, top part(10:02 AM) rich012: Check out NBC(10:02 AM) rich012: Smoke everywhere in Manhattan(10:02 AM) jimbo_320: unbelievable, another building just totally collapsed(10:02 AM) Ensign Software: bye, going to watch on TV.(10:02 AM) Indycator: part of the tower just collapsed on to the street(10:03 AM) Ensign Software: building just collapsed.(10:03 AM) Ensign Software: bye(10:03 AM) jimbo_320: like a war zone(10:03 AM) ppusa: third plane crashed into building and building collapsed(10:03 AM) Gorillatrader: don't thibk so(10:04 AM) jimbo_320: one of the towers totally collapsed(10:04 AM) Gorillatrader: at the Pentagon, 3rd plane confirmed(10:04 AM) jimbo_320: bomb(10:04 AM) ppusa: third plane went in lower(10:04 AM) Gorillatrader: structural failure(10:04 AM) rich012: Now I know how Americans felt at Pearl Harbor.  Helpless(10:04 AM) rich012: WTC collapsed(10:05 AM) gravestonedoggie: 1 of 2 towers collpasedPaltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(10:06 AM) rich012: Thousands must be dead.  God bless them.  Tragic(10:06 AM) ppusa: cnn just showed building collapsing(10:06 AM) Indycator: plane crashed next to the pentagon(10:07 AM) jimbo_320: market will be closed for a week after this(10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: bomb at base of building(10:07 AM) marilyn_8: God bless them   Rich(10:08 AM) Daniel X: very symbolic...political..financial...military(10:08 AM) Daniel X: the root of American way of life(10:09 AM) Buffy_04364: true daniel(10:10 AM) Daniel X: thats why i say their not nuts(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: no they are not(10:10 AM) marilyn_8: they are nuts    but with direction (10:10 AM) marilyn_8: purpose(10:10 AM) Buffy_04364: been keeping my boys updated they can't get news on the net - too many doing it(10:11 AM) Gorillatrader: since Civil War, the War is now at our shores(10:11 AM) Indycator: this could turn into a full scale war(10:11 AM) dodo_343: hey ave y seen thetv(10:11 AM) marilyn_8: it will Indy(10:11 AM) Gorillatrader: end of our open society(10:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: must first identify whom(10:11 AM) Buffy_04364: kind of has to to say we won't tollerate this stuff doesn't it(10:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: building collapsed on firefighters(10:12 AM) marilyn_8: this gets worse by the second(10:12 AM) dave_b_quick: lotta people could have done this, bin laden is just the most well-known name(10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it does marilyn(10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: so thankful for the room right now(10:13 AM) ppusa: i guess the tower just collapsed on it's own(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: cnn said a bomb(10:13 AM) ppusa: no 3rd plane(10:13 AM) Indycator: gosh, I hope Victoria's family made it out okay(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: they need to sort it out(10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: me too indy(10:13 AM) marilyn_8: some of the planning wasnt so good if you think about it  the Pres was in fla(10:14 AM) rs_5: lol marilyn(10:14 AM) Daniel X: the pres was not the target(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: that was an unknown when they planned (10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: ture(10:14 AM) rich012: They don't care about the pres.  It is the citizens they want to terrorize(10:14 AM) Indycator: 1der said she left to take a walk...can't imagine what she is goiing thru now(10:14 AM) dave_b_quick: my sister and brother in law work in lwr manhattan somewhere(10:14 AM) jimbo_320: so why not fly into the whitehouse?(10:14 AM) marilyn_8: omb Indy  that is terrible isnt it   I am sure they were getting out as fast and the best way they could(10:14 AM) rs_5: oh no dave(10:14 AM) dave_b_quick: whitehouse has a lot more attention to its no-fly zone(10:14 AM) marilyn_8: well the Pres would have been a bonus   if they are using point system(10:14 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks for the update indy(10:14 AM) gravestonedoggie: they just showed replay of collapse of 1 wtc(10:14 AM) Gorillatrader: Powell is in Colombia, FBI anti-terrorist in training in Monterey, Calif(10:15 AM) Gorillatrader: very well planned(10:15 AM) Indycator: welcome....(10:15 AM) Daniel X: they wanted to send a message to the 3 power structures of American society(10:15 AM) Daniel X: not the pres(10:15 AM) marilyn_8: I cannot make any phone calls at all(10:15 AM) dave_b_quick: where are you marilyn?(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: I have been able to call locally and my brother out west(10:15 AM) marilyn_8: every line must be tied up half way around the world(10:15 AM) marilyn_8: Florida(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: from?(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: or too(10:16 AM) jimbo_320: is anyone here in manhatten?(10:16 AM) marilyn_8: someone from Indiana called me(10:16 AM) dave_b_quick: everybody calling somebody ties up the system(10:16 AM) dave_b_quick: shimster is in brooklyn, right across the river(10:16 AM) marilyn_8: I know one guy that is on wall street   his name is 613Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(10:16 AM) jimbo_320: they reckon there are 50,000 people working it the twin towers(10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: although early for my brother he got up and turned tv on(10:16 AM) ppusa: really scary that any time someone wants to bomb something, they now know they can just grap a plane and go!(10:16 AM) marilyn_8: omg(10:16 AM) Ted_ga: per building i believe(10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: that is a lot jimbo(10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: :-((10:17 AM) dave_b_quick: lot more casualties in the buildings around there(10:17 AM) marilyn_8: 50k per building?(10:17 AM) wayne_53: they're saying the pentagon was rocked with another explosion(10:17 AM) Indycator: now saying explosion on capitol hill(10:17 AM) Daniel X: rumors of another plane hits capital building!!!!!!!(10:19 AM) Indycator: now saying no explosion(10:19 AM) Gorillatrader: Congress..Capitol Building(10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: all markets shut down now(10:19 AM) marilyn_8: what GT(10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: who knows for how long(10:19 AM) marilyn_8: did they miss Chicago(10:20 AM) Gorillatrader: CNN(10:20 AM) Buffy_04364: are they evacuating everying GT(10:20 AM) Daniel X: just saw footage on the collapse WOW(10:21 AM) Daniel X: all US airports shutdown(10:21 AM) BLu 1: all europian flights to USA suspened(10:21 AM) Daniel X: they've managed to close down the country(10:21 AM) Buffy_04364: so many lives have changed today(10:21 AM) marilyn_8: yes and that gets them in their pearly gates(10:21 AM) Daniel X: still think they're nuts marilyn(10:21 AM) Gorillatrader: hey, Germans blitzed London in 1940..it is a war(10:22 AM) marilyn_8: yes  I do  (10:22 AM) Daniel X: ok (10:22 AM) marilyn_8: all people that are nuts  dont go around with the tongue hanging out the side of their face(10:22 AM) Daniel X: huh?(10:22 AM) marilyn_8: and they are not all stupid (10:23 AM) marilyn_8: some are evil  very evil    especially if they do it in the name of their religion(10:23 AM) ppusa: eyewitness says commercial airliner hit pentagon(10:23 AM) marilyn_8: we have little understanding of their lives or thinking  (10:23 AM) Daniel X: i guess maybe you don't realize why youlive the way americans do(10:23 AM) marilyn_8: oh brother ppuse(10:24 AM) marilyn_8: and you do  so tell me(10:24 AM) jimbo_320: london ftse has crashed(10:24 AM) Daniel X: it's not about religion(10:24 AM) rs_5: amazing, paltalk still working(10:24 AM) ppusa: jimbo how bad?(10:25 AM) jimbo_320: i think stopped down 250(10:25 AM) jimbo_320: 4750(10:25 AM) marilyn_8: I am saying their belief system is not within us common Americans understanding(10:25 AM) ppusa: like dow 500 (10:25 AM) ppusa: percentage wise(10:25 AM) wayne_53: car bomb exploded outside state dept(10:26 AM) wayne_53: in Washington(10:26 AM) BLu 1: car bomb has exploded outside the state dept.(10:26 AM) Daniel X: why do u think they attacked?Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(10:26 AM) Daniel X: marilyn(10:26 AM) marilyn_8: if I were asked  to fly a plane into something   my answer would be not in this lifetime   no way     out of the question   (10:26 AM) marilyn_8: I dont care why DANIEL(10:26 AM) marilyn_8: there is no reason good enough (10:27 AM) Daniel X: thats the self centered American way of life(10:27 AM) marilyn_8: Daniel  would you get off of me (10:27 AM) Daniel X: just thank God you were born here(10:27 AM) Daniel X: i have no beef with you marilyn(10:28 AM) Tom_B: rept of another plane possibly hijacked(10:28 AM) marilyn_8: oh no(10:28 AM) marilyn_8: where Tom(10:28 AM) Tom_B: wash area, in air...(10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: yes and it is and it better not go down(10:28 AM) rs_5: take care all(10:29 AM) Daniel X: take care rs(10:29 AM) marilyn_8: well Buffy if it is full of people    this is horrendous(10:29 AM) ppusa: markets down 2-3 percent(10:29 AM) ppusa: foreign(10:29 AM) wayne_53: foreign market off 2.5 to 5%(10:29 AM) ppusa: FTSE down 128(10:29 AM) BLu 1: gold was limit up(10:30 AM) ppusa: capitulation day???(10:30 AM) Tom_B: Take cvr at Pentagon..(10:30 AM) jimbo_320: ftse latest 4840, off 193(10:30 AM) BLu 1: both towers gone(10:30 AM) Indycator: 2nd tower has gone down(10:30 AM) ppusa: there goes the other tower(10:31 AM) ppusa: guarantee there will be no more high rises built(10:32 AM) marilyn_8: I cant believe this    I cannot call out  but a solicitor from Sprint Phone company just got thru (10:33 AM) ppusa: i think the towers just collapsed into themselves(10:33 AM) Daniel X: there's is no reason that warrents killing...by" them" or" us" in the eyes of God ..but remember this everytime you stroll in freedom...we're way ahead of "them" and they'll never catch up..never(10:33 AM) Buffy_04364: I too am having trouble comprehending it all(10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: as I am sure the people dealing with it are too(10:34 AM) marilyn_8: it is hard to believe Buffy(10:34 AM) tomsurf: Buffy- yes, not sure we even can...especially now(10:34 AM) wayne_53: What's next(10:34 AM) rich012: Both towers have collapsed(10:34 AM) marilyn_8: wayne  that is a scarey question (10:35 AM) rich012: Reports that another plane that was bound to DC has been hijacked(10:35 AM) rich012: Not confirmed(10:35 AM) rich012: Tom Brokaw "This is War"(10:35 AM) Gorillatrader: car bomb exploded at State DeptPaltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW!Get your friends in on the fun!Invite them to join us on PalTalk today!Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(10:36 AM) rich012: Awful that so many rescue workers have perished(10:38 AM) timing 2: this crazy arabs going to destroy evry good thing in the world,we got this daily here in israel,primitives is the definition(10:38 AM) BLu 1: hijacked plane heading for wash dc(10:38 AM) dave_b_quick: it's been war "over there" for a long time, only now it's been brought home.(10:38 AM) Daniel X: ditto dave(10:39 AM) ppusa: timing 2 where are you?(10:39 AM) timing 2: israel been in us for25 yrs(10:39 AM) Gorillatrader: a 747 is down in Pennsylvania...CNN(10:40 AM) marilyn_8: down?  you mean crashed (10:40 AM) dave_b_quick: OK(10:40 AM) Gorillatrader: apparently(10:41 AM) BLu 1: crash near pittsburg(10:41 AM) marilyn_8: so they going for   a million of us today(10:41 AM) wayne_53: plane is currently hijacked and heading towards Washington(10:41 AM) Daniel X: the only way that peace will come to the middle east is if we become a part of it  directly....i cannot wait till my son no longer needs to buy gasoline for his car(10:42 AM) Gorillatrader: we will are being dragged in to war in the Middle East, join Israel?(10:42 AM) dave_b_quick: peace is a lot harder than conflict(10:42 AM) timing 2: dan x good idea(10:43 AM) marilyn_8: that isnt exactly peace ya know    (10:43 AM) timing 2: this is going to get nasty as time goes on(10:43 AM) dave_b_quick: it's already nasty(10:43 AM) jimbo_320: nobody will own up to this(10:43 AM) jimbo_320: too much at stake(10:43 AM) dave_b_quick: it's been nasty for a long time, except it's been far enough away that we could ignore it(10:43 AM) marilyn_8: I thought some organization did already(10:44 AM) Daniel X: 1 word marilyn "oil "(10:44 AM) Gorillatrader: that was denied, Marylin(10:44 AM) marilyn_8: 1 word back    solarcoalcornoil(10:44 AM) Daniel X:  i wish!!!!(10:45 AM) jimbo_320: arafat has denied responsibility(10:45 AM) timing 2: in the mideast they should have index future on buildings ,short, long(10:45 AM) Gorillatrader: wondering where are the AirForce interceptor fighters protecting the Wash DC area, gov't buildings?(10:45 AM) marilyn_8: it will have to come to something like that  or we could stomp them and buy their land and oil with our childrens lives (10:45 AM) marilyn_8: well   GT   our airlines arent usually what they are looking for(10:46 AM) jimbo_320: pentagon collapses(10:46 AM) marilyn_8: unreal(10:46 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, pretty tough to shoot down a passenger flightPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(10:47 AM) marilyn_8: yes it is Dave   I mean what do you do let them die running into pentegon   or shot them down   with friendly fire(10:47 AM) ppusa: Pittsburgh large plane crashed in Sommerset, PA 767(10:47 AM) Gorillatrader: marilyn, Air Force suppose to intercept any aircraft in near the restricted airspace...(10:47 AM) marilyn_8: wow   not far from old home stomping grounds(10:47 AM) Gorillatrader: this is WAR...(10:47 AM) marilyn_8: thats true    (10:47 AM) marilyn_8: yes it is War(10:47 AM) wayne_53: What in the world are they going to do with this hijacked plane heading toward Washington(10:47 AM) ppusa: If they shoot down plane, it will cause damage on ground anyway(10:48 AM) marilyn_8: well wayne pick a place with lots of people in it (10:48 AM) marilyn_8: that seems to be the mo(10:49 AM) wayne_53: I don't mean what the people on board are going to do but what is the gov't going to do, sit by and watch or shoot it down let's say in a wooded area(10:49 AM) rich012: Perhaps the juet that just crashed was the hijacked jet(10:49 AM) Daniel X: the people are secondary targets(10:49 AM) ppusa: no trading today(10:49 AM) marilyn_8: it makes a more noticed impact(10:49 AM) rich012: The pilot told them to go to hell and crashed it to save many other lives, perhaps.(10:49 AM) Gorillatrader: this is a deliberate attack same as Pearl Harbor and the Nazi attack on London in 1940(10:49 AM) Daniel X: rich good point!(10:49 AM) marilyn_8: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my God   now that is a self centered American   God bless him (10:49 AM) Gorillatrader: don't take it lightly(10:50 AM) Daniel X: yes God bless him!(10:50 AM) marilyn_8: it isnt light at all(10:50 AM) rich012: That is just a theory why there was the latest crash.(10:51 AM) marilyn_8: soon all people flying will be put to sleep   only the crew will be allowed to be awake for the flight   out of scifi movie (10:51 AM) ppusa: how long would it take to get everyone out of the WTC building? If everyone leaves at once the elevator will stop at every floor(10:51 AM) wayne_53: fighter jets are scrambling to intercept hijacked plane(10:52 AM) marilyn_8: ohhhhhhhh  too long PPusa(10:52 AM) marilyn_8: it would be a stampede   and the smoke was so black and thick  (10:52 AM) rich012: wayne, where did u here that(10:52 AM) wayne_53: on cnn(10:52 AM) rich012: tx(10:53 AM) Daniel X: marilyn..you seem detached from the actual going ons outside of the United States..not a criticism just an observation...(10:53 AM) Gorillatrader: intercept is high alert and standard procedure(10:53 AM) Gorillatrader: yep(10:54 AM) jimbo_320: canary wharf london, evacuated(10:54 AM) wayne_53: elections in NY postponed(10:54 AM) Daniel X: London!(10:54 AM) jimbo_320: this is an attack at the epicentre of capitilism in the west, doubt radicals would have the brains to do this(10:55 AM) Daniel X: wellif they close down the US for a day they've managed to close down the world(10:55 AM) Gorillatrader: that's how many thought over last 15 years in Congress and ignored this potential(10:55 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo ditto(10:55 AM) Gorillatrader: voted down all anti-terrorist funding and defense budgets/progrmas(10:56 AM) ppusa: cnn just showed the towers collapsingPaltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(10:56 AM) gravestonedoggie: the ny commodity exchanges are under the wtc(10:56 AM) Daniel X: saw it PP...horrible(10:56 AM) ppusa: good pictures, area above attack collapsed onto lower portion(10:56 AM) jimbo_320: middle east was blamed for mcveigh oaklahoma bombing initially(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: might be the best thing to close down all markets worldwide(10:57 AM) ppusa: would think Binladden(10:57 AM) Daniel X: could be(10:57 AM) ppusa: been quiet for awhile(10:57 AM) marilyn_8: well   they need to make sure  and I am sure they are doing just that(10:57 AM) ppusa: and he is an organizer(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: it is all sinking in ppusa(10:58 AM) Daniel X: oh no they're sending all planes up her!!!(10:58 AM) Daniel X: here(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: how does it go disbelief - shock - anger - acceptance(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: or something like that(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: to canada(10:58 AM) jimbo_320: i think some anti capitalist group(10:58 AM) Daniel X: yah(10:58 AM) Daniel X: to canada(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: yes the ones that were in flight from europe(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: and other countries(10:59 AM) Daniel X: wonder if were next!(10:59 AM) Daniel X: hijackers on board?11(10:59 AM) Daniel X: !!(10:59 AM) dave_b_quick: Canada doesn't make enemies the way we do, daniel(10:59 AM) Daniel X: no back bone(10:59 AM) Daniel X: lol(11:00 AM) Daniel X: like the swiss(11:01 AM) dave_b_quick: some of the hijackers must have been pilots: even with a gun to his head a US pilot wouldn't crash into the WTC(11:01 AM) Daniel X: we're taking precations up here anyways(11:01 AM) jimbo_320: isnt the cia supposed to detect stuff like this?(11:01 AM) dave_b_quick: jimbo, no way to detect everything(11:01 AM) Buffy_04364: I would imagine so(11:02 AM) ppusa: interesting i looked at the charts last night and thought that any pullback from what would have been the HOD, would have taken out yesterday's low(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: my thoughts exactly(11:02 AM) Daniel X: they had to be (11:02 AM) marilyn_8: that is true Dave(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: they have issued warnings before(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: why none for this(11:02 AM) marilyn_8: dead if you do   dead if you dont  so dont(11:02 AM) Daniel X: lol PP(11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: iron cross on pyra too(11:02 AM) dave_b_quick: bin laden gave a warning 3 wks ago of an "unprecedented attack" (11:03 AM) beanman_1: plus EOS from mar2k high(11:03 AM) marilyn_8: did he (11:03 AM) beanman_1: on SPX daily(11:03 AM) Daniel X: really!(11:03 AM) dave_b_quick: the PA crash must have been a pilot who knew what was coming and chose to die in a sparsely populated area(11:04 AM) ppusa: i was just going to say it is amazing that all this could get organized without intelligence knowing something(11:04 AM) beanman_1: I sent the chart posted this am to don and Howard this AM and said today would be interesting..(11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman posted for ES(11:04 AM) Gorillatrader: since 1993 or earlier, the US Intelligence knew the potential of this magnitude(11:04 AM) beanman_1: same chart that Don and Howard used in pyra training several months ago..(11:05 AM) Daniel X: Canada  US borders sealed(11:05 AM) marilyn_8: ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh  GT(11:05 AM) dave_b_quick: it's actually amazing when the CIA does find out about an attack beforehand, usually only because of a snitch in the terrorist ranks(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: charts aren't registering at all(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: brain numb reallyPaltalk: You DO have a choice! 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WOW!!!Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(11:10 AM) beanman_1: parents are picking up kids from school....(11:10 AM) Daniel X: to all(11:14 AM) dave_b_quick: my sister and bro-in-law are OK in manhattan(11:14 AM) Buffy_04364: from all of this(11:15 AM) ppusa: i wemnt to bed early last night because i wanted to be fresh for this morning/(11:15 AM) phlsti: wouldn't be surprised to hear PA pilot had visitors in the cockpit and chose to shutdown the engines.(11:15 AM) Gorillatrader: yep, its coming(11:15 AM) Daniel X: yes they did GT(11:15 AM) marilyn_8: isnt that the truth Buffy   (11:16 AM) jimbo_320: like something out of a stephan segal movie - Under Seige(11:16 AM) Gorillatrader: we have to loose some of our "freedom"..close borders. extreme security(11:16 AM) Gorillatrader: several planes un accounted for(11:16 AM) tomsurf: beanman- I'm not familar with the "iron cross" what does it signify? not in any of my book.(11:16 AM) Gorillatrader: FAA(11:16 AM) ppusa: the high in the futures last night was right on an uptrend line i had drawn(11:16 AM) jimbo_320: whole of lower manhatten evacuation orderedPaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(11:16 AM) ppusa: i shorted there(11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: life will never be the same(11:16 AM) rich012: Any more news on that crash near Pittsburgh?(11:16 AM) ppusa: unfortunately it was just a scalp(11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: lots of rules and restrictions now and the fear of happening again will always be there(11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: for a few genereations anyway(11:16 AM) ppusa: what is an iron cross?(11:16 AM) ppusa: open on high close on low?(11:19 AM) Daniel X: next thing would be to attack the Internet(11:19 AM) Daniel X: right now(11:21 AM) Daniel X: CNN down(11:22 AM) Gorillatrader: thanks, beanman(11:23 AM) dave_b_quick: interesting fact: the original idea of the internet was to provide a decentralized communications network that would function even if the major cities were knocked out in a nuclear strike.(11:24 AM) rich012: My sister near DC said authorities aren't sure how to handle the schools.  So many kids have parents working at the pentagon.(11:26 AM) Daniel X: Canada shuts down all air traffic(11:26 AM) Buffy_04364: 90 people on the pa crash plane - cnnPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners!(11:36 AM) Daniel X: i think since alot of the news networks out of NY are right there in lower Manhattan it's hard to get on the scene reports everyone in on th net right nowPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(11:40 AM) rich012: Car bombs now going off in NY(11:40 AM) Daniel X: they are treating this as an act of war..no ifs and or buts(11:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: new explosion downtown nmy(11:40 AM) tomsurf: beanman- I see your explaination on chart now(11:40 AM) jimbo_320: http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/binladen.htm  INFO on bin laden aquiring uranium(11:40 AM) rich012: dave, especially when this was/is so big.(11:40 AM) Gorillatrader: dave, the Bin Ladden comments were published 3 weeks ago where was the CIA, NSA and FBI?(11:40 AM) Daniel X: yep US close to all right now(11:40 AM) Daniel X: military medal of valor(11:40 AM) tomsurf: ppusa- beanman has an explanation on his chart(11:40 AM) Daniel X: ha(11:40 AM) rich012: Were there are lot of trading offices etc in the WTC's?(11:40 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA u actually want to trade?(11:40 AM) jimbo_320: AA 767 into tower 158 unconfirmed(11:40 AM) beanman_1: tomsurf-- Iron Cross is  a Gann term used in the pyra book.. look at the chart , you have the intersecton of the opposing 45's, plus the top or bottom of a square, and the end of a square-- (11:40 AM) Tom_B: 4 flights were hijacked(11:40 AM) rich012: The site?(11:40 AM) beanman_1: you have all of these opposing forces meeting.. time and price...(11:40 AM) Buffy_04364: look at beanmans chart - BOT EOS all together(11:40 AM) Gorillatrader: cnn ok here(11:40 AM) Tom_B: rept of bomb in Styvesant HS near WTC, maybe copycat..maybe not...(11:41 AM) beanman_1: Gann uses the analagy of a bridge, and the stongest points of support being where all these angles (or trusses in the case of a bridge ) come together to form the stronges point of support(11:41 AM) Daniel X: noo(11:41 AM) beanman_1: Or , in this case resistance..(11:41 AM) Daniel X: i feel sick(11:41 AM) Daniel X: was that the 1 on the way to WASH?(11:41 AM) Daniel X: must of been(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: tks Daniel(11:41 AM) Daniel X: have(11:41 AM) ppusa: financial markets down 5 to 8 percent(11:41 AM) ppusa: foreign(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: are the foreign markets closed now also?(11:41 AM) Daniel X: 150,000 people visit the WTC on an average day(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: cia has evacuted and moved their headquarters(11:41 AM) jimbo_320: 156 on both aa planes(11:41 AM) dave_b_quick: the CIA, FBI, etc, are regular people like you and me with a job to do, they can't work miracles(11:41 AM) Ensign Software: One thing I never thought about before is the comfort that having a chat with others in a room like this where we have become friends of sorts through prior conversation.   While we all may not know all the answers, it still feels good to be able to 'talk(11:41 AM) Ensign Software: with others who are part of a familiar community.(11:41 AM) Daniel X: Bin Laden will give a statement denyiny responsibility(11:41 AM) Ensign Software: Kimball just brought in a TV from home so we could watch the news.(11:42 AM) Daniel X: Camp David was a target(11:42 AM) jimbo_320: it stuck me when in the usa how poor is airport security, it must be improved(11:42 AM) dave_b_quick: factoid: the chechen rebels use the internet to keep in touch since Russia eliminated their infrastructure(11:44 AM) jimbo_320: i have been on 85th of  the wtc, it is .... big building(11:45 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, we were on the roof of the WTC last summer(11:45 AM) elly_34: i was on the top of the WTC a month ago(11:46 AM) Daniel X: still 1 plane in the air!!Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(11:47 AM) dave_b_quick: wonder how many terrorists it took to pull this off?  wonder what we did that ticked them off so much?(11:48 AM) Daniel X: in support of Israel(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: if there are 50,000 casualties that is catastrophic, and is of massive significance, that is more than killed in the gulf war ? It is war(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: and civilians(11:48 AM) Daniel X: they are treating it as act or war(11:48 AM) Daniel X: of(11:49 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i guess the NYBOT will be down for a long time(11:50 AM) Daniel X: makeshift setups going up right now i would imagine(11:50 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, jimbo, but war against an unseen enemy(11:50 AM) trader139: this is a crime of mass murder commited by sub humans on the order of hitler and stalin(11:51 AM) Daniel X: not the samw at all trader1339(11:51 AM) dave_b_quick: people overseas say that about some of the stuff we've been doing too, trader 139(11:51 AM) Daniel X: ditto Dave(11:51 AM) trader139: im referring to the deficient mental processes(11:51 AM) jimbo_320: is the WTO in the WTC?(11:52 AM) Daniel X: no deficiency(11:52 AM) dave_b_quick: our policies against Hussein have largely been directed at Iraqi children...  who knows how many have died there?(11:54 AM) dave_b_quick: i wonder how a palestinian boy feels while his home is being leveled by a US built bulldozer?
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dave_b_quick: hi, it's just us i guess everybody watching TVluv-to-trade: hiluv-to-trade: this is horribleispecjh: this is awfuldave_b_quick: ya, a real wake-up callispecjh: everyone's worst nightmareluv-to-trade: a wake up call ; exactly what I said!ispecjh: they say 13,000 in each buildingdave_b_quick: wow, i hope most got out?luv-to-trade: oh no!ispecjh: they are saying worse than Pearl Harbordave_b_quick: ya, but at pearl harbor at least we knew who it wasispecjh: as this is an attack on civiliansispecjh: well, i am sure they can find out which terrorist group this isispecjh: i would thinkluv-to-trade: Laden?dave_b_quick: they'll be going over the passenger lists etc.ispecjh: i would think soispecjh: Alot of powerful people in those buildingsdave_b_quick: and powerful institutionsPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!dave_b_quick: the world's coffe, sugar, cocoa & cotton futures are traded there at NYBOTdave_b_quick: weretrader139: dave, just before we were cut off you responded to my statement in a way that seemed to say that hese acts are in some way justifiable. I think you should take this opportunity to clarify what seems to me to be a completely outrageous  statement by you.dave_b_quick: the NYBOT website is still up, but the NYBOT exchange is gonedave_b_quick: not justifiable, t139, but expectedispecjh: our government needed to take better action prior to todayispecjh: i don't blame Bush, as he has been in office too brieflytrader139: it was Clinton who weakened America militarily, morally, and spiritualy.ldave_b_quick: we are the greatest power in the history of the world, but i don't think it's realistic to think that our government is capable of controlling every threat, no matter how strong the military is or how good the intelligence.  Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!ispecjh: I believe they can handle terrorists in a better fashionispecjh: obviously that is my personal opinionispecjh: Reagon took care of Khadafiispecjh: in a good fashiondave_b_quick: unless this was Khadafi's work?ispecjh: Bin Laden most likely,ispecjh: He publicly stated last week in paper that this would happen this weekdave_b_quick: he's a good candidate, but there are others who would have liked to do this toodave_b_quick: might have been a combination of groups in cahoots?ispecjh: sorry, but I think crazies need to be eliminateddave_b_quick: Iraq has been trying to buy nuclear material to do something like this for a long timeispecjh: There is nothing sane about what they just diddave_b_quick: need to be eliminated, yes, but unfortunately that's an impossible goaldave_b_quick: like trying to eliminate weedsispecjh: well, gotta startPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!dave_b_quick: we've been trying...  I couldn't believe that daddy bush stopped short of Baghdad.rich012: yes, it is impossible to stop terrorism due to its very naturerich012: Bin Laden is the only guy with the resources to pull this off they have reported.dave_b_quick: ya, maybe Hussein doesn't have enough supportdave_b_quick: and the palestinians aren't that organized jimbo_320: is it true markets are closed till mon?dave_b_quick: didn't hearluv-to-trade: that makes senseBuffy_04364: has it been back up long?Buffy_04364: really missed you allluv-to-trade: then they will crash(01:04 PM) luv-to-trade: Hi buffy(01:04 PM) jimbo_320: hope pp sold his long nqs(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: letting others know room back(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: has it been back up long?(01:05 PM) rich012: Just put the flag out on the front porch.  God Bless America!Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: dave should we create a backup room(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: what abou a yahoo club(01:06 PM) dave_b_quick: i thot about it(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Reserve said on Tuesday, in the wake of a series of devastating attacks on U.S. landmarks, that it is open and operating and that its discount window will provide liquidity to financial markets as needed. (01:07 PM) dave_b_quick: maybe an e-mail list so we could get back in touch if they bomb paltalk(01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: yes that email list we keep talking about dave is getting more important  :-)(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: they say pres will be talking - what can he say!(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: they should of knows(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: known(01:08 PM) dave_b_quick: i think i offended trader139 because i mentioned some of our foreign policies(01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: right before paltalk got shut down(01:09 PM) luv-to-trade: who is trader 139?(01:11 PM) dave_b_quick: i dono, gone now(01:12 PM) rich012: bush on msnbc now(01:12 PM) Ensign Software: are all loved ones of those in this room known to be safe?(01:12 PM) jimbo_320: is the 4th aircraft still flying?(01:13 PM) rich012: no(01:13 PM) rich012: All are down(01:13 PM) rich012: Crashed in Penn(01:13 PM) rich012: No details on what happened(01:13 PM) dave_b_quick: my sister was flying into LaGuardia during the attack, made it into Manhattan now, but the bridges are packed with pedestrians trying to leave(01:14 PM) rich012: She on a cell phone dave(01:14 PM) dave_b_quick: no, she called from uptown(01:14 PM) rich012: Those towers had lots of communication transmitters/reciveirs on them also.(01:15 PM) rich012: For cell phones,etc..(01:15 PM) dave_b_quick: the line to my daughter's house in Queens isn't workingPaltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups?Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELPon your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'.(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: victoria's father and sister safePaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: prayers are answered(01:16 PM) rich012: good(01:16 PM) rich012: IS that other room locked?(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: sad news is estmate of 10000 dead at trade center(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: far as I know it is(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: it was posted on si thread(01:17 PM) usa eye: hello(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16331798(01:17 PM) rich012: very sad...we thought OKC of 160-170 was bad(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: T also started an SI thread to talk about the attack(01:17 PM) usa eye: whats abou  always u r tolkiing here ?(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: yes we all did rich(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: we type(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: but I guess could talk some(01:18 PM) usa eye: about what?(01:18 PM) rich012: usa...where you from?(01:18 PM) usa eye: hell(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: usually about trading eminis but not for a while I guess(01:18 PM) rich012: ban him buffy(01:18 PM) dave_b_quick: you misbehaving, usaeye?(01:18 PM) usa eye: hey rich whats ur jub?(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: usa eye has been bounced from the group(01:18 PM) Ensign Software: thx(01:19 PM) rich012: my job is to alert buffy when aholes enter the room!!(01:19 PM) dave_b_quick: terrorist infiltration (01:19 PM) rs_: Bush making statement on abc(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: not the time for stuff like that(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: it is hard enough now(01:19 PM) rich012: agree(01:19 PM) rich012: keep your finger on the button buffy(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: everyone I know of Howard is safe(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: but who knows what will be discovered down the road(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: many travel(01:20 PM) rich012: Will be interesting to see what happened with that crashed flight in PA.  Wonder if the Air Force had to bring it down(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: CBC saying 35,000+ dead in nyc(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: hope that isn't right(01:20 PM) Daniel X: it is(01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: does it matter(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: 90+ on board(01:21 PM) Daniel X: as high as 50k(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: GT said 35 at pentagon(01:21 PM) Daniel X: 276 killed in 4 planes(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: roads out all gridlocked(01:21 PM) jimbo_320: 266 total dead on aircraft(01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: too many live changed forever(01:21 PM) rich012: They said that it was lucky that pentagon crash wasn't on the other side.(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I heard that(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: fire still burning out of control(01:22 PM) rich012: Guess the terrorist didn't know everything(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: last I knew(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: they knew enough(01:22 PM) Orprepus: they new enoguh(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: gee thinking alike and not a trading day :-)(01:22 PM) Daniel X: yes they did(01:22 PM) rich012: Glad Bush is staying out of DC.  Figured there was no way he was flying in there.(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well(01:22 PM) Orprepus: buffy - wow(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: me too(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: Bush made the tape and dropped it off to be aired(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: smart(01:24 PM) Daniel X: celebrations Middle East cities(01:24 PM) Ensign Software: I was thinking, this act of war we are watching that is shocking us, is probably no different in the shock and horror than what our parents watched a generation ago when Pearl Harbor was attacked.(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: remember how we all though OKC was terrorists at first.......(01:24 PM) Ensign Software: Difference this is the enemy was not faceless(01:24 PM) Ensign Software: this=then(01:24 PM) rich012: Exactlt howard...but we see it live(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: That is true Howard(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: hadn't realized that but you are right(01:24 PM) rich012: We are helpless to stop it as it happens(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: I now know how they felt when we talked about it(01:25 PM) Orprepus: They closed down my son's school here(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: so helpless(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: where?(01:25 PM) Orprepus: Sunnyvale CA(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: I know lots of chicago down(01:25 PM) Daniel X: This does not have the sane implications as Pearl Harbour(01:26 PM) dave_b_quick: that was an attack by a foreign power, this was by ????(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: no it doesn't - enemy unknown for sure - but emotions should bePaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: pretty close(01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: when room down tried to focus on something - picked filing - didn't work(01:27 PM) Orprepus: US has been so lucky over the years - time ran out today - remember News Year eve celebration in seattle this past year the caught a man with a lot of explosives in his car coming from canada(01:27 PM) Daniel X: Pearl Harbour was a military attack this is a attack on the American way of Life..much more to the bone(01:27 PM) Daniel X: writing(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I remmeber that Orprepus(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: just typing luv(01:27 PM) rich012: Makes you wonder what the terrorist have in mind. (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is daniel(01:27 PM) Orprepus: Bush - in tape message said (01:28 PM) Orprepus: "Freedom was Attacked"(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: they would be caught and would pay(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: yes that too(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't hear your question luv(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: you cut off(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: keep room in focus(01:28 PM) luv-to-trade: orprepus; did you say your child's school closed?(01:28 PM) Daniel X: luv wants to know where ORP lives/(01:28 PM) luv-to-trade: where do you live?(01:28 PM) Daniel X: ? i think(01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: yes he did (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: sunnyvalle CA(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: he said(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: when I asked(01:29 PM) dave_b_quick: how are they gonna pay if they killed themselves already???(01:29 PM) Orprepus: yes just got back from picking him up and his school buddy - (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: true Dave(01:29 PM) Ensign Software: Today is page ONE of a chapter about to be written.  Don't fool yourselft to think the score is even and that more will not yet die for a cause as the rest of the chapter is written.(01:29 PM) rich012: there are many others...the organizers(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: ture Howard(01:29 PM) luv-to-trade: sorry(01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: np btdt(01:29 PM) luv-to-trade: I can't talk(01:29 PM) rich012: Bin Laden is a coward...he hides out and sends others to kill themselves(01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I know Dan my son called when I couldn't(01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: *comfort*(01:30 PM) luv-to-trade: true of most terrorists rich(01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: <hug>(01:30 PM) luv-to-trade: on the news(01:30 PM) luv-to-trade: hardly any walking wounded(01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: so many people(01:30 PM) dave_b_quick: this probably wasn't chapter 1, maybe chapter 3 or 4 or 10, just the first chapter that was so close to home we have to read it...(01:30 PM) luv-to-trade: finding bodies and body parts all over..(01:30 PM) rich012: They say that the Palestinians have more than enough volunteers for suicide missions(01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I just hope it is over now so we can deal(01:31 PM) rich012: It will never be over(01:31 PM) rich012: Human nature....haves vs. the have nots(01:31 PM) luv-to-trade: I'm sorry - I don't know why I'm being so emotional; I am usually a rock(01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: yes luv not nice to listen too - and true does go on all the time(01:31 PM) rich012: Whether it be a riot or a "holy war"(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: all tradgedies with loss of live upset me - this one is so bad - like I feel their pain(01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: live=life(01:33 PM) rich012: This type of terrorism is especially vile....as their are no demands such as release some prisoners...it is simplt an attack against democracy and capitalism, etc....(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: this is hard for anyone to be a rock(01:33 PM) luv-to-trade: there is going to be some demand maybe(01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: even the mayor of NY was so angree(01:33 PM) luv-to-trade: there will be something(01:33 PM) dave_b_quick: if we go bomb somebody else's kids in response we'll feel better, but we'll plant a new generation of terrorists(01:33 PM) luv-to-trade: I am afraid this is not just a message, but a warning(01:33 PM) Gorillatrader: this is an ACT of WAR and in no small scale.  not a typical act of terrorism.  The scale is large(01:33 PM) luv-to-trade: of more to come(01:33 PM) rich012: Exactly dave....it is a no win situation(01:34 PM) Ensign Software: My family is without my wife because she was visiting my Son and wife who had my 1st grandchild born 10 days ago.   I think it will be awhile before she is able to return from Portland with transportation down and thousands stranded.(01:34 PM) luv-to-trade: It is a wake up call(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: it will all take time to play out - sometimes don't get the rest of the story for years(01:34 PM) luv-to-trade: that is sad Ensign(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is a wakeup call(01:34 PM) rich012: congrats on the grandchild Howard(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: yes Howard it is as I am sure you would like her around(01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: at least she is safe(01:35 PM) dave_b_quick: just heard from my daughter in Queens, she's OK(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: yahoo Dave!(01:35 PM) luv-to-trade: all over the world is fighting , killing, starving to death, slavery, disease, war. Here, our biggest worry is buying  a big screen tv(01:35 PM) rich012: good dave(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: that is good news(01:35 PM) Gorillatrader: good to hear, dave(01:35 PM) luv-to-trade: I think about it all the time(01:35 PM) luv-to-trade: good Dave :))(01:35 PM) Ensign Software: not sad, Luv, one counts it a blessing to know all may family members are safe and none were on the planes targeted by the terrorists, but it starts to hit closer to home in the thought of it.(01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: can't luv will drive you nuts(01:35 PM) rich012: luv, you nailed it.  I work with refugees.  We dont know how good we got it.(01:36 PM) Orprepus: In 1994 Tom Clancy released a new Jack Ryan  book titled "Debt of Honor" which plays out very much today - terriost attack against us captial buy flying jumbo jet into it - is where the idea came from I wonder?Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(01:36 PM) Daniel X: bomb scares up here at the Israeli and American embassies(01:36 PM) luv-to-trade: I always think about it, today is no surprise to me.  We think we are immune and invincible(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: many do rich(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: majority don't(01:36 PM) luv-to-trade: up here Daniel?(01:36 PM) Daniel X: Canada(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: good ? orprepus(01:37 PM) Daniel X: Ottawa so far(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows(01:37 PM) luv-to-trade: wow; Canada too!(01:37 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, rich, i used to volunteer at a refugee center here too, i've heard the stories from central america and eastern europe and bangladesh etc.(01:38 PM) luv-to-trade: When I see news of Israel, and Ireland, and Africa, etc, etc,  I think of all the people here watching, and changing the channel when it gets too boring(01:38 PM) Daniel X: 50planes coming in to the airport in Ottawa...canadians offering accomidations to americans(01:38 PM) jimbo_320: http://quote.yahoo.com/m2 take a look at world indicies(01:38 PM) rich012: I live in Virginia...I got to laugh at our stupid governor.  He said that there was no threat that he knw of regrarding attacks on Virgina.  Hello....where do you think the pentagon is.  Who do you think works at the pentagon?  (01:38 PM) Daniel X: lol(01:39 PM) Orprepus: CA earthquake search and rescue teams on their  way to NY - military transport(01:39 PM) luv-to-trade: I know you think I'm nuts;  but this has been in the works and perceived as deserved by many for a long time(01:39 PM) rich012: Tjose were fellow Virginians running from that building.   What an idiot!(01:39 PM) Daniel X: agreed LUV(01:39 PM) dave_b_quick: typical, rich(01:40 PM) luv-to-trade: In the spring, Bush isolated us by being the only nation out of 200 not going in on the global warming problem, and 5 other big issues he kept us out of (01:40 PM) Daniel X: although Bin Laden denys responsibility(01:40 PM) Daniel X: back in 10 mins(01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: not so sure that had anything to do with it luv(01:41 PM) luv-to-trade: earlier, Palestine claimed responsibility, but I haven't seen any more (01:41 PM) luv-to-trade: I don't think that necessarily had anything to do with this, but it is yet another statement that the US is invincible and doesn't need to be a part of world issues and problems(01:42 PM) dave_b_quick: must have been at least 2 terrorists on each plane ready to die for their cause: that's gotta be a big organization.  Lotta preparation went into this.(01:42 PM) luv-to-trade: and lots of money(01:42 PM) luv-to-trade: both things mean lots of conviction; so this isn't over yet(01:42 PM) rich012: Could have been more than two.  Makes you wonder about security at airports.(01:43 PM) DevilWoman: am i only one not hearing?(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: from my son(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: Our world has fundamentally changed today.  There is no going back to before this, there is only a road ahead.  Now that the genie is out of the bottle we cannot put it back(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: A message has been sent to every group with an axe to grind, America is more vulnerable then every one thought and has a very soft under belly(01:43 PM) luv-to-trade: have all the airplanes been located yet?(01:44 PM) DevilWoman: whats the normal every guy to do today?(01:44 PM) luv-to-trade: No kidding, Buffy!  (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: he has a great way with words(01:44 PM) luv-to-trade: Horrible; ANd here we were with our rich, fat heads in the sand(01:44 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, Luv, we're pretty arrogant.  I remember when we went into Panama to arrest Noriega:  We announced afterward that we had pulled it off with "no casualties," evidently because 300 Panamian dead didn't count.(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: always though he would be a writer(01:45 PM) Ensign Software: For every new 'reality' good people will rise to the occasion and find an equal backbone for the challenge.(01:45 PM) luv-to-trade: Good point, Dave. There are other instances like that over the years tooPaltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(01:46 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, punishing Sadaam by denying medicine to a million iraqui children....  (01:46 PM) rich012: dave, yep.  Taht is why it is tough to combat terrorists.(01:46 PM) Daniel X: here's a comparison...Hiroshima...Cambodia...Iraq....just as symbolic(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: Buffy, I just added you to my paltalk list in case I lose paltalk again(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: you can add me if you want(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: k(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: My other name in paltalk is Hank500(01:47 PM) dave_b_quick: they didn't just decide to hate us one day, we've earned it(01:47 PM) rich012: daniel, what about Grenada!(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: true, Dave(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: icq worked all alone if anyone has that too(01:47 PM) jimbo_320: Hiroshima, the next terrorist attack will be nuclear.(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: too true(01:47 PM) DevilWoman: i have a question plz?(01:47 PM) dave_b_quick: ?(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: go ahead(01:47 PM) luv-to-trade: I have icq(01:47 PM) DevilWoman: my hubbie is on a panic(01:47 PM) Daniel X: a buddy of mine was in grenada at the time(01:47 PM) rich012: goat head(01:47 PM) DevilWoman: wants me to remove stock(01:48 PM) DevilWoman: im more concerned about young men over 18(01:48 PM) rich012: boot(01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: don't think you can do anything anyway with the stock exchanges closed(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: can't sell stock at all now(01:48 PM) DevilWoman: ok banking, i say leave all alone(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: you and many others are stuck with holding it(01:48 PM) luv-to-trade: I am in Tennessee, and we have a big, major, nuclear plant in Oak Ridge, TN, and all kinds of things are going on there today. And of course, lots of extra security(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: yep I bet luv(01:49 PM) rich012: whew, what it they crashed a plane into one of those plants!(01:49 PM) DevilWoman: wondering why pic on civilians?(01:49 PM) luv-to-trade: I know!(01:49 PM) dave_b_quick: i bet this particular terrorist group has used all their bullets for a while.(01:49 PM) Daniel X: going to pick up something up the street..back in a bit(01:49 PM) DevilWoman: and not power plants, good thing tho(01:49 PM) Ensign Software: And I live in Idaho Falls, and have more nuclear facilities 40 miles west of town than Oak Ridge has(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: coward and to instill fear(01:50 PM) DevilWoman: it sure got mine(01:50 PM) luv-to-trade: I am afraid they have many bullets left, Dave(01:50 PM) luv-to-trade: especially if it is Laden(01:50 PM) luv-to-trade: geez, Ensign(01:51 PM) luv-to-trade: I hope they are really beefing up their security(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: bet you can't concentrate on much today either Howard(01:51 PM) kiki_135: they well kept doing it, until the usa poeple start getting strong..(01:51 PM) Ensign Software: I thought today would be a day of programming, but alas, not so.  Can't concentrate.(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: all the private military groups are most probably saying see we told you so(01:51 PM) luv-to-trade: brb, I am coming back as Hank500, so I can see if my other friends are here(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: k(01:52 PM) jimbo_320: london fse closed down 300 points 6%(01:52 PM) rich012: I think I wouyld like my tax cut to be taken back and spent on defense...or maybe offense.(01:52 PM) DevilWoman: is this a group that pools in stock?(01:52 PM) dave_b_quick: no, index futures traders(01:53 PM) kiki_135: no sp 500 trader (01:53 PM) DevilWoman: how would the lowley blue collar get into a group like this?(01:53 PM) Hank500: back(01:53 PM) Hank500: I was luv-to-trade(01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: k(01:54 PM) dave_b_quick: lot of us are blue collar gackground, DW(01:54 PM) rich012: congrats on the successful surgery Hank!!(01:54 PM) DevilWoman: im not into casion gambling, just a few bucks to play around with(01:54 PM) dave_b_quick: hey, hank, you look a lot more macho now(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: someone on T's thread is suggesting we all dig out the american flag and  fly it(01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)(01:55 PM) rich012: buffy, done that.  Didn't have to dig it out either.(01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: a quote from TPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: A big wake up call for all of us, to examine what kind of life, nation and world that we want to shape in the future(01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: we have to make some good come out of this whole thing somehow(01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: teresa has a way with words also(01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: the ramifications of this are going to be unreal(01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: is anyone here?(01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: scarey to look at window and just see my typing(02:00 PM) Hollie_: just heard on news that Mogan Stanley-Dean Whitter had 50 floors at trade center(02:00 PM) jimbo_320: somebody - Tony Blair(02:00 PM) Hank500: Britain prime minister speaking of measures they are taking(02:01 PM) Hank500: Some strong statements against terrorism(02:01 PM) Hank500: very strong(02:02 PM) dave_b_quick: politicians are good at statementsPaltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I am not really thinking before I type - ---(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: in a fog here(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: as I am sure many others are(02:06 PM) Hank500: me too(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: guess the room having someproblems(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: hope it hangs on(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: tks guys/gals for staying in here(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: doubt if consumer spending much today(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: all at tv(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: no idea where that thought came from(02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: guess not all can type to the room(02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: hang on room!!!(02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)(02:09 PM) Hank500: I can type, Buffy, but can hardly think(02:09 PM) Hank500: Or maybe thinking too hard(02:09 PM) jimbo_320: we can say we had a capitulative day, things cannot get any worse than today(02:10 PM) dave_b_quick: hope not(02:10 PM) Hank500: what was site someone posted about stock indexes in yahoo? I lost paltalk before(02:10 PM) Hank500: things can get worse!(02:10 PM) dave_b_quick: http://quote.yahoo.com/m2(02:10 PM) Hank500: That is the great horrible truth(02:11 PM) Hank500: thank you Dave(02:11 PM) Ensign Software: Chapters of history are never written in a day.  Often written over a life-time, unfortunately.(02:12 PM) rs_: bbl(02:12 PM) jimbo_320: i had a call today asking if i would like to do some work in the canary wharf tower today hmmmmm(02:12 PM) Hank500: I wonder if our president is alive?(02:13 PM) dave_b_quick: people have wondered that for a long time(02:13 PM) Hank500: they just keep showing that tapePaltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW!Get your friends in on the fun!Invite them to join us on PalTalk today!Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(02:16 PM) Hank500: I am sorry(02:16 PM) Hank500: I am alone here(02:16 PM) Hank500: lol(02:16 PM) Ensign Software: broken gas lines a worry now.(02:17 PM) Hank500: I guess I am going a little crazy over this(02:17 PM) Hank500: like everyone(02:17 PM) Ensign Software: lack of operational fire hydrants also a problem.(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I just talked to a neighbot(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: even here in maine(02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: all schools closed(02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: all state and federal offices sent home until further notice(02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: many business closed too(02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: makes sense they would be howard(02:19 PM) Hank500: schools open here(02:19 PM) dave_b_quick: Buffalo schools open.  they closed the bridges to Canada for a while, but back in operation now(02:19 PM) Hank500: in Tennessee(02:19 PM) tali_5: wold the mkts open tomorrow?(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: if they will be(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: we will have to wait and see(02:20 PM) tali_5: if they do, u think we crash?(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: I think the federal reserve is providing liquidity(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: dollar was diving after second plane crashed(02:20 PM) dave_b_quick: CME site says closed for rest of day along with other markets and exchanges(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: gold limit up(02:21 PM) tali_5: i have hundreds of call options expiring next friday(02:21 PM) Hollie_: schools opened in southern califoria,santa barbara, people should be home with families today(02:21 PM) Ensign Software: Personally, I think all positions should be declared liquidated across the board, and then let people reenter long or short as desired when trading does resume.(02:21 PM) dave_b_quick: shoulda had puts, tali, or strangles(02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: yes hollie sure wish someone else was here (02:21 PM) tali_5: if mkts dont open, my options go to ZERO(02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: now that is a good idea Howard but we won't see it happen(02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: som just told me to get away from it(02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: go down to lake and feed the ducks  LOL(02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: drive on some back roads(02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: etc(02:22 PM) Ensign Software: don't know what will happen.  Business cannot operate as 'usual' when thousands of accounting records are lost, damaged, or 'frozen' until things can be restored.(02:22 PM) dave_b_quick: take care, buffy(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: thousands - millions maybe(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: thousands sounds too low howard(02:23 PM) Ensign Software: i agree, but I do not want to cause a panic(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: oh he said it but not yet sometime maybe(02:23 PM) tali_5: is it possible they extend the option expiration, if mkt doesnt open this week?(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: at least not hot here(02:23 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, a whole commodity exchange was obliterated and one of the bigger brokerages(02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: tali - no one knows the answer to those ?(02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: it isn't going to be easy to even begin to put things back together(02:24 PM) Hollie_: yes buffy we are all so very much connected, no where to go, the pain is still there for those people.(02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: most probably go down and visit with hhim tonight - he gives good hugs :-)(02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: grandchildren help too - reminds you life goes on(02:26 PM) Hollie_: yes, kids are wonderful that way(02:26 PM) Buffy_04364: so much dust in manhattan looked like it had snowed(02:26 PM) Buffy_04364: they are HolliePaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(02:26 PM) Buffy_04364: great reason for hanging in there(02:26 PM) Daniel X: cell phone call was placed from from the bathroom of 1 of the planes..the passenger kept repeating this is not a joke and the plane crashed in PA as the phone call was termitnated(02:27 PM) Hollie_: wow(02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: wow is right(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: you know Dave did have a good idea(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: going to feed the ducks(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: will be back(02:30 PM) Daniel X: they're transporting victims fromWTC up here to Toronto(02:31 PM) Daniel X: looks like were going to have a canadian media feeding frenzy(02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: red cross appeal for blood on tv now(02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: heard that daniel(02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: stabilizing in nyc and send out to other hospitals(02:32 PM) Daniel X: oh ok(02:32 PM) Ensign Software: giving blood is a way to personally contribute more than just lip service.   Let's all go give!!(02:33 PM) jimbo_320: LONDON -(Dow Jones)- New York Board of Trade Chairman Charles H. Falk Tuesday said the exchange's backup facility in Long Island City, New York, isn't expected to reopen until Monday at the earliest(02:33 PM) jimbo_320: In a release distributed to Dow Jones Newswires through the London International Financial Futures and Options Exchange, Falk said: "Until the banking system and our clearing members are capable of functioning NYBOT will remain closed. Our best estimate of the earliest opening of our markets will be Monday(02:33 PM) Daniel X: wow!!!(02:34 PM) Gorillatrader: Morgan Stanlet DeanWitter leased about 50 floors in the WTC(02:34 PM) dave_b_quick: i wonder how many NYBOT floor traders are left?(02:34 PM) dave_b_quick: only the ones who were late to work, i guess(02:34 PM) Daniel X: gosh whast thought(02:35 PM) Daniel X: what a(02:35 PM) Gorillatrader: news had said, any offices above Floor # 50 were not accessible(02:35 PM) dave_b_quick: i think NYBOT was above 50(02:35 PM) Gorillatrader: 60 floors in each tower(02:35 PM) tali_5: will the mkts open tomorrow?(02:35 PM) jimbo_320: people were seen jumping from windows(02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: get we all get a week off?(02:36 PM) Daniel X: there had to be hundreds standing on the roof while it colasped(02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: shouldn't of read screen before leaving(02:36 PM) jimbo_320: buffy at the leastPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(02:36 PM) Gorillatrader: hundreds on the ground got squashed as both towers tumbled down(02:36 PM) tali_5: boy, i have hundreds of call options that expire next friday(02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: hope the world markets do the same then or chaos will be it(02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry tali - hope it works out for you(02:37 PM) Orprepus: good idea howard on giving blood (02:37 PM) tali_5: when will mkts open?(02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: when they do I guess(02:37 PM) tali_5: how likely is it they extend the option expiration week, if the mkts dont open soon(02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing we can do about it anyway(02:37 PM) Gorillatrader: my rule not to hold any positions overnight proves itself again(02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: so accept and deal(02:38 PM) Daniel X: read an article this morning before all of this that said to be expecting a market crash by October 10th(02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: I have always felt that way GT this just reinforces it(02:38 PM) Daniel X: well looks possible now(02:38 PM) Daniel X: brb(02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: don't think we will have to wait that long(02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: now(02:39 PM) tali_5: i was planning to sell my calls today.(02:39 PM) dave_b_quick: NYBOT webmaster's office was at 4 WTC #5580(02:39 PM) tali_5: so unlucky(02:40 PM) Gorillatrader: 55th floor(02:40 PM) tali_5: how many people assumed dead?(02:41 PM) Daniel X: more and more stories as the day progresses(02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: 35000(02:41 PM) tali_5: r u serious?(02:41 PM) Gorillatrader: well, tali, at least you were not one of the 10,000+ who lost their life..that's more important than your calls(02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what was on si from some news service(02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: hope not true(02:41 PM) Daniel X: as much as 50 k i heard(02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: around 270 in the planes alone(02:42 PM) jimbo_320: Director of WTC said 10,000 in each tower(02:42 PM) Buffy_04364: firefighters crushed when tower collapsed(02:42 PM) Orprepus: looking at impact to us stocks in foreign markets - unreal - FSTE has dow down over 800 - MSFT down 10 in Germany -oil over 31 - Exxon up 4(02:42 PM) Buffy_04364: much more that that Ithink jimbo(02:42 PM) tali_5: if my calls go to zero, i wish i was in the plane(02:42 PM) Gorillatrader: then so be it(02:42 PM) Daniel X: plz tali(02:42 PM) Daniel X: do trivialize this(02:42 PM) Gorillatrader: tali, get out, you make me sick(02:42 PM) Daniel X: dont(02:43 PM) Gorillatrader: Buffy, kick that sob out(02:43 PM) tali_5: r u serious msft down 10?(02:43 PM) kc123: is there any sound?(02:44 PM) Daniel X: no one speaking KC(02:44 PM) jimbo_320: where did you get those quotes from Orp(02:44 PM) Orprepus: bloomberg(02:44 PM) Orprepus: online(02:44 PM) Orprepus: under markets(02:44 PM) Orprepus: here's the head line of the article:  (02:45 PM) Orprepus: U.S. Stocks Decline in Europe After Terrorists Attack New York, Washington(02:45 PM) tali_5: give me the site(02:45 PM) Orprepus: FTSE largest one day drop since crash of 1987(02:45 PM) Orprepus: www.bloomberg.comPaltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end yourpopup blues today! Click OPTIONS on your Pal Listthen click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year!That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!!(02:46 PM) jimbo_320: why softee ? They in the WTC?Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(02:48 PM) jimbo_320: Bin Laden buys oil, gold and blows up WTC. A new Soros?(02:48 PM) tali_5: i dont see the MSFT down 10 on bloomberg(02:48 PM) dave_b_quick: that's a scary thot, jimbo(02:48 PM) Hank500: are all the world stock markets closed ?(02:49 PM) Orprepus: read the article - (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: Microsoft, the world's biggest software maker, tumbled $10.08 to $47.50 in Germany with more than 63,000 shares changing hands. Alcoa, the biggest aluminum maker, dropped $1.26 to $32.54 in Germany.(02:49 PM) tali_5: yes i saw it.(02:49 PM) tali_5: wow(02:49 PM) Orprepus: thanks Jimbo(02:50 PM) jimbo_320: Exxon Mobil Corp., the world's biggest publicly traded oil company, climbed $4.40, or 11 percent, to $45.64 in Germany.(02:50 PM) Orprepus: here' the latest - at  14:30 off bloomber(02:50 PM) Orprepus: U.S. stocks traded in Europe fell. International Business Machines Corp. dropped $6.83 to $89.64 in Germany; Procter & Gamble Co. shed $7.42 to $66.78, and Microsoft Corp. fell $5.44 to $52.14. General Electric Co. slid $2.81 to $36.54. (02:51 PM) Gorillatrader: Daniel, PM says not accepting messages(02:51 PM) Orprepus: this is name of the article(02:51 PM) jimbo_320: is germany still open(02:51 PM) Gorillatrader: can't answer you(02:52 PM) Daniel X: oh sorry says feature to add pal not availible(02:52 PM) Gorillatrader: ok(02:53 PM) Gorillatrader: next time(02:53 PM) Daniel X: 4 sure(02:53 PM) Buffy_04364: TV gave the impression no trading going on anywhere guess they wrong(02:53 PM) Gorillatrader: I agree with you and ..(02:53 PM) Daniel X: ;-)(02:54 PM) dave_b_quick: European exchanges must be in evening session now(02:55 PM) jimbo_320: i have dax closed at 4273 off 8.49%(02:55 PM) Buffy_04364: germany and denver even evacuating high rises(02:56 PM) Gorillatrader: many cities did that(02:56 PM) Ensign Software: This national tragedy sure puts my personal worries and concerns from yesterday in the category of 'trivial'.  (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: sure does Howard(02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: sure does(02:56 PM) cctraderx: hi everyone, wishing you the best - going to take a couple of weeks off Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: enjoy cc(02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: take care(02:56 PM) Daniel X: take care CC(02:56 PM) cctraderx: no - heart surgery(02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: going somewhere special I hop(02:56 PM) Ensign Software: great idea.   Let's all go do something else for a while(02:57 PM) Daniel X: God bless(02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: our prayers will be with you cc(02:57 PM) cctraderx: just found out last Thursday(02:57 PM) cctraderx: but should be ok(02:57 PM) cctraderx: thanks(02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: bypass(02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: ?(02:57 PM) Orprepus: another day(02:57 PM) cctraderx: yep - at age 37(02:57 PM) Daniel X: what 37!!(02:57 PM) Daniel X: sorry(02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: tks mario(02:58 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, mario(02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: tks howard(02:58 PM) cctraderx: no problem, should come out ok(02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: we will miss you(02:58 PM) jimbo_320: mario what time did dax close?(02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: hurry back(02:58 PM) Gorillatrader: thanks Mario(02:58 PM) Mario73: earlier today - wait a moment(02:58 PM) cctraderx: I'll miss all of you and I will be back soon(02:58 PM) Gorillatrader: get well, cc(02:59 PM) cctraderx: thanks(02:59 PM) Orprepus: blessing to you cc(02:59 PM) StefanSiara: jimbo there was  boming threat in  frankfurt and they closed faster (02:59 PM) Daniel X: the world as you knew it when you went to bed yesterday is gone(02:59 PM) Mario73: DAX closed 19:16 our time today - normally 20:00(02:59 PM) cctraderx: thanks(03:00 PM) Orprepus: FTSE was close early due to selloff(03:00 PM) jimbo_320: thanks mario Stefan, i was unsure how long open(03:02 PM) Daniel X: Bloomberg has a guy on hoping this is not a biological attck with Anthrax!!??(03:03 PM) Daniel X: oderless and effects would not be known for 36 hours(03:03 PM) tali_5: FTSE was closed early?(03:04 PM) jimbo_320: The market -- the biggest stock exchange trading when planes crashed into the New York World Trade Center and near the Pentagon in Washington -(03:04 PM) Daniel X: Asia about to open(03:04 PM) jimbo_320: fell 5.7 percent, wiping 67 billion pounds ($98 billion) off the value of shares(03:05 PM) Gorillatrader: Asia opens when? around 8pm ET?(03:05 PM) jimbo_320: did that come though, i kept getting messages saying not posted(03:05 PM) jimbo_320: there goes my pension(03:05 PM) Daniel X: Bloomberg says about to open(03:05 PM) Daniel X: ?Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(03:07 PM) jimbo_320: With (U.S.) futures closed, there is no indication of where the market will open but the fall is more likely to be in double digits than single figures,'' the broker added(03:08 PM) tali_5: will the mkts open tomorrow>?(03:09 PM) Daniel X: doubt it(03:09 PM) Orprepus: in different countries but not us(03:11 PM) Daniel X: they're reporting a total of 500 flights diverted(03:11 PM) Daniel X: !!(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: that is a lot of lights and peoplePaltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners!Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: well, guess I will go feed the ducks now for sure(03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: back in about 30 min(03:18 PM) Daniel X: k(03:22 PM) ppusa: anyone here?(03:23 PM) jimbo_320: y(03:23 PM) Daniel X: yah watching tv(03:23 PM) jimbo_320: http://www.bearforum.com/cgi-bin/bbs30.pl?read=177984 for vix info(03:23 PM) Daniel X: getting eye witnes accounts(03:24 PM) ppusa: i think it is over. From what I have seen, 4 planes, 3 hits 1 miss and a car bomb(03:25 PM) ppusa: anything else?(03:25 PM) Daniel X: yes possible biological (03:25 PM) Daniel X: reports of Anthrax fears(03:25 PM) ppusa: where?(03:26 PM) Daniel X: from the planes that hit the towers(03:26 PM) jimbo_320: ur kidding?(03:26 PM) Daniel X: effects won't be known for 36 hours if there was (03:26 PM) Daniel X: nope not today no kiddingPaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(03:26 PM) Daniel X: they had a guy on Bloomberg(03:27 PM) Daniel X: oderless and tasteless so i hope he's not just a quack trying to get attention(03:27 PM) jimbo_320: they got anthrax on a commercial airliner !(03:28 PM) ppusa: is anthrax a gas?(03:28 PM) Daniel X: yes(03:29 PM) ppusa: i heard the building next to the WTC was on fire(03:29 PM) Daniel X: theyre suggesting anyone in the WTC area to see a physician(03:30 PM) ppusa: how long was pal talk down?(03:30 PM) jimbo_320: Before the mass hijacking, no-one had anticipated a scenario where extremists would turn not just themselves, but whole planes, into suicide bombs(03:30 PM) jimbo_320: Not even Hollywood scriptwriters had dreamt up such a horrific chain of events(03:30 PM) Daniel X: sure they did(03:31 PM) jimbo_320: die hard the closest so far(03:31 PM) ppusa: jim,. not to contradict but some guy did...yes some guy wrote a scenario several years ago(03:31 PM) ppusa: Ceash a plane into the congress during as sessin(03:31 PM) ppusa: session(03:32 PM) ppusa: I hate to sound like a weirdo but....(03:32 PM) ppusa: what if(03:32 PM) ppusa: the republicans(03:32 PM) Daniel X: lol(03:32 PM) ppusa: wanted to take the focus off the economy and (03:33 PM) ppusa: ignored the warnings on purpose(03:33 PM) Gorillatrader: come on(03:33 PM) ppusa: where?(03:34 PM) ppusa: Somewhat doubtful but something to think about(03:35 PM) ppusa: Afterall, I would assume our intelligence should be able to do a better job than this.(03:35 PM) Gorillatrader: why did democrats for last 10 years, voted and succeeding blocking anti-terrorist programs, funding or increased intelligence, against increased defense prpgrams/funding? on purpose?(03:35 PM) ppusa: One of the news channels said the muslum chat rooms were buzzing this week(03:36 PM) Daniel X: i was in one just beforePaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(03:37 PM) Gorillatrader: did you see on TV the Palestine people celebrating on the streets this am?(03:37 PM) GGriz: ppusa: those are fighting words: you trying to start a fight???(03:37 PM) Daniel X: yes(03:38 PM) ppusa: Increased defense is one subject, increased intelligence another. But isn't that part of what i am saying. In order to get the approval, something like this has to happen.(03:38 PM) ppusa: GGriz no what do you want to fight about(03:38 PM) GGriz: OR: something like this happened as a result of slack defense?(03:38 PM) Daniel X: need is not seen until after it arises(03:38 PM) Daniel X: it is written(03:39 PM) Gorillatrader: the Democrat controlled congress since Ronald Reagan has played politics defeating in sub committee any effort for increased counter intelligence(03:39 PM) GGriz: maybe earth first and rainbow warriors did it, it 's the same agenda(03:40 PM) GGriz: anti global capitalism(03:40 PM) Gorillatrader: When Gen. Scwarkoff and Newt Ginrich brought it up this morning, the liberal TV of NBC cut them off(03:40 PM) Orprepus: check this - http://www.nandotimes.com/world/story/77161p-1082409c.html(03:42 PM) ppusa: I would like to keep the issues separate, defense vs intelligence. (03:42 PM) GGriz: that's like trying to seperate the economy and money(03:42 PM) Gorillatrader: you might, but one and the same, if you were on active duty at any time(03:43 PM) Gorillatrader: I was close to a war room as any in the AirForce(03:43 PM) ppusa: Probably far fetched...all i am saying is thnk about it. There was the nas futures on the top of the channel and I am looking at that thinnking time to sell.(03:43 PM) ppusa: Next thing ya know...(03:45 PM) ppusa: I don't have enough knowledge to debate repubs vs demos but I believe they have a different approach and I don't think Bush is very well liked in the MEast(03:45 PM) ppusa: Then there were the warnings(03:45 PM) Gorillatrader: this attack was too well coordinated not to be sonsored by a nation(03:45 PM) Daniel X: ditto Gt(03:46 PM) Daniel X: alot of $(03:46 PM) Gorillatrader: yepPaltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today!Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELPon your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'.(03:46 PM) ppusa: Afghanistan?(03:46 PM) Daniel X: no PP they're poor(03:46 PM) Gorillatrader: they are harboring bin ladenPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(03:47 PM) ppusa: Listening to the news, the news is tying Afghan Gov to bin Laden(03:47 PM) ppusa: My brother is a pilot for UAL(03:47 PM) ppusa: he says 757 and 767 same to fly(03:47 PM) ppusa: simulator time(03:48 PM) ppusa: or access to plane and your set (03:48 PM) Gorillatrader: no trading tomorrow, cnbc(03:48 PM) ppusa: so only need 4 guys and some training(03:48 PM) Gorillatrader: that's shortsighted(03:49 PM) Daniel X: thats what theyre saying on Bloomberg 4 per plane (03:49 PM) Daniel X: terrorist(03:49 PM) Daniel X: per plane(03:49 PM) ppusa: wonder why four?(03:49 PM) ppusa: i meant four separate guys(03:49 PM) Gorillatrader: the coordination, planning, they had to reheaser the whole plan(03:49 PM) ppusa: four guys, four planes(03:49 PM) Daniel X: pilots and the rest to subdue the passengers(03:51 PM) Gorillatrader: the pilots who flew them accurately into the buildings had to be experienced pilots(03:51 PM) ppusa: If no one thought they were going to do something this dramatic, they might have given the guy enough time  (03:51 PM) Daniel X: no confirmation yet but looks like the last plane was shot down(03:51 PM) ppusa: GT, i could do it.(03:51 PM) ppusa: been flying since 13(03:52 PM) Gorillatrader: great, you a pilot, ppusa?(03:52 PM) ppusa: y(03:52 PM) ppusa: expired license, want a ride?(03:52 PM) Gorillatrader: then, you are experienced(03:52 PM) ppusa: My mommy was a flight intructor(03:52 PM) Daniel X: expired or revokd?(03:52 PM) Gorillatrader: I have over 1,000 hrs also..and i could do it also(03:52 PM) Daniel X: revoked(03:52 PM) ppusa: X(03:52 PM) Daniel X: lol(03:53 PM) ppusa: Yes, but i soloed in 10 hours(03:53 PM) ppusa: And that included landing instructions which these people didn't need(03:54 PM) ppusa: Dan which channel indicated shot down(03:54 PM) Daniel X: bloomberg(03:55 PM) Daniel X: they won't say ..i beleive they'll want to keep it quiet for a while(03:56 PM) ppusa: anyway, obviously i don't have the answers. Watching those buildings come down very emotional kinda thing.(03:56 PM) ppusa: so i am out of herePaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(03:57 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA wait Market can still open!!(03:58 PM) Daniel X: for 20 mins(03:58 PM) ppusa: anyone know when nas futures opens? CME hotline 312 930-2324. (03:58 PM) jimbo_320: poor airport security is the problem(03:58 PM) ppusa: I hope the CME has enough sense and a little less greed to keep the market shut until things settle down(03:59 PM) Daniel X: they are(03:59 PM) Daniel X: pp(03:59 PM) Gorillatrader: no market tomorrow, CNBC(03:59 PM) jimbo_320: usa is a big target for terrorism yet has the worst airport security, why because the airlines thought it would be too expensive to implement(03:59 PM) ppusa: I still don't have a definitive answer for tonight's session(03:59 PM) tali_5: when then?(03:59 PM) jimbo_320: usa the biggest target for terrorism(04:00 PM) Gorillatrader: Who is in charge for airport security? airlines?(04:00 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo..they could have been living in the US for a while legally(04:00 PM) tali_5: when do u guys think mkt opens?(04:00 PM) Daniel X: eports will come out that they were neighbours(04:00 PM) ppusa: CME officials said there will be a recording with information with respect to after-hours GLOBEX trading today and open outcry and electronic trading for tomorrow through 312/930-2324. The recording will be updated as there are new developments (04:01 PM) Gorillatrader: MOnday, Tali, MONDAY(04:01 PM) Ensign Software: Ensign Software will NOT have a trainging classs on Wed.  Just not mentally ready to do something like that.  Need more time to recover and heal the pain of today.(04:02 PM) jimbo_320: 2 hijackers cant take a plane unless they have weapons, the public would help fight the terrorists(04:02 PM) Daniel X: reports are at least 4 of them per plane(04:03 PM) Ensign Software: one thing to remember for the NYSE, while they still have a trading floor, there may be no way for staff to get to work, and they may not want to come to work anyway.   So, keep it closed for a while for things to restore some normalicy.(04:03 PM) jimbo_320: 4 vs 80 ?(04:03 PM) jimbo_320: ok 40 guys maybe(04:03 PM) Daniel X: weapons could have come through baggage handlers(04:04 PM) ppusa: might chill if they had a gun and wait until the jack makes his wishes known.(04:04 PM) Daniel X: tell me would you rush a hijacker with a gun in his hand(04:04 PM) Daniel X: no way(04:05 PM) ppusa: love to but if i knew i would lose and possibly get someone shot(04:05 PM) Ensign Software: until today, most hijacking was to fly to some neutral location and negotiate their demands.(04:05 PM) jimbo_320: no if they had a weapon, however if some guys stands up and says i'm taking the plane, we'd rush him(04:05 PM) Daniel X: ditto howard(04:05 PM) ppusa: my point too(04:05 PM) jimbo_320: so i'm saying aiport security is too blame for letting weapons on the flight(04:05 PM) Daniel X: doubt it Jimbo...(04:05 PM) ppusa: what if you were going to LA and they wanted to take the plane to Tahiti(04:05 PM) tali_5: i hope they dont open the mkts for 2 weeks(04:06 PM) tali_5: let things calm down(04:06 PM) ispecjh: They just said that Barbara Olsen diedPaltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(04:07 PM) ispecjh: This is really going to start becoming more real as we hear who died.... I mean for me I am still in shock, and it still does not seem real(04:08 PM) Daniel X: i second that is(04:08 PM) Daniel X: pecjh(04:08 PM) ispecjh: i just cannot believe this(04:08 PM) Ensign Software: As I wrote a few hours ago, this is just page One of a new chapter of history yet to be written.(04:08 PM) jimbo_320: time to get a beer i think, bye all(04:09 PM) ppusa: bye Jim(04:09 PM) Daniel X: take care JIM(04:09 PM) ispecjh: but now knowing the face of someone that died, and thinking how Ken Olsen must feel...(04:09 PM) jimbo_320: hope you all recover from this disaster(04:09 PM) ispecjh: This is so different to attack civilians(04:09 PM) ppusa: ignorant here...who is Barbara Olsen?(04:09 PM) Daniel X: thats right ispecjh(04:10 PM) Daniel X: just like when we bombed Iraq(04:10 PM) ispecjh: She is an attorney in New York(04:10 PM) Daniel X: for 1(04:10 PM) ispecjh: Daniel maybe you can help me here on who she is(04:10 PM) Daniel X: i duuno either!!(04:10 PM) ispecjh: Ken Olsen is a specialist with Constutional law(04:10 PM) Daniel X: do a web search(04:10 PM) ispecjh: you saw him alot on tv(04:10 PM) Daniel X: hold on(04:11 PM) ispecjh: during the elections (04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: bk(04:11 PM) ppusa: Does anyone have a definate answer for Globex futures tonight?(04:11 PM) ppusa: all  i see is a to be announced(04:16 PM) Daniel X: when you cannot manage risk and they knew it was coming you have to mange the consequencesPaltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(04:18 PM) Daniel X: they had better not find out it was carried out by americans(04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't think we will be having a money manaement discussion either Howard(04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: your thoughts Dave?(04:19 PM) Daniel X: this is what they were trying to do...upset our daily lives(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: true daniel but if you can't think you can't think(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: we won't even have the market to make us think(04:20 PM) ppusa: for what it's worth good night all(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: night ppusa(04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: take care(04:20 PM) Daniel X: g night pp(04:20 PM) ppusa: u2(04:21 PM) Daniel X: kinda be littles market discusions(04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: yes daniel it does(04:21 PM) Ensign Software: ABC showing news clusive footage of video right at ground zero(04:21 PM) Ensign Software: exclusive footage(04:21 PM) Buffy_04364: looks like a war zone Howard(04:22 PM) Orprepus: don't want to see(04:23 PM) Buffy_04364: no flying in usa until at least noon tomorrow(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: they also cancelled the ferry to nova scotia out of Portland ME which surprised me(04:24 PM) Daniel X: they also had to have civil engineers in the organization..they knew exactly where to hit the buildings(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: also bus travel getting canceled inplaces(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: high security recommended at nuke plants(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: makes me wonder what report they finally read and(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: what they know that we don't(04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: Akamai founder CTO killed in one of the plane crashes(04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.siliconinvestor.com/stocktalk/msg.gsp?msgid=16332993(04:29 PM) Daniel X: wow(04:31 PM) Ensign Software: announced on ABC not trading at NYSE and at AMEX tomorrow(04:31 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks Howard(04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: globex is another creature though right?(04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: never paid attention to that stuff :-((04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: should of(04:33 PM) Buffy_04364: fallout over them knowing those planes were not on their recorded paths(04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: once the first one hit - air force should of stopped others is what I am reading(04:35 PM) Daniel X: tough call(04:35 PM) Daniel X: imagine the pilot that had to carry that order out(04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: I would not wwant to make it for surePaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: suggested on thread that all hijacked planes have fighter escort from now on(04:37 PM) Daniel X: come on(04:37 PM) Daniel X: really(04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what I am reading(04:37 PM) Daniel X: thats ridiculos(04:37 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows what will be the end result(04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: why if plane not on flight path their suppose to be assume hijacked(04:38 PM) rich012: Did you her that Barbara Olsen, lawyer and TV commentator, was on the plane that they ran into the pentagon?(04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: how else you going to stop this happening again if not right there (04:38 PM) Daniel X: all they need is a self distuction switch(04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: not being difficult but just wondering(04:38 PM) Daniel X: controled by those on the ground(04:38 PM) Buffy_04364: that is their arguement(04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: yes rich we did(04:39 PM) rich012: Another building expected to fall soon(04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: then we will have idots trying to get to those switches(04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: which one rich(04:39 PM) Buffy_04364: near the WTC?(04:40 PM) Daniel X: lol Buffy(04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)(04:40 PM) Daniel X: us dollar falling against swiss frank(04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: yep should fall a lot(04:41 PM) Daniel X: 3% wow(04:41 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't know that much!(04:42 PM) Daniel X: swiss frank up 3%(04:42 PM) Buffy_04364: no trading should be going on now(04:42 PM) Buffy_04364: people making money off this tradgy stinks(04:42 PM) Daniel X: no they're running to safe havens(04:42 PM) Daniel X: oil gold and the swissPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away!Press the invite button NOW!(04:47 PM) rich012: buffy, several other buildings have fallen or will fall in the area of the WTC.(04:49 PM) Daniel X: buildings 1,2,5,6,7 destroyed(04:50 PM) rich012: How many floors did the 2 towers have?(04:51 PM) Daniel X: 70?(04:53 PM) rich012: MOre than 70, since I heard one guy say he was on the 81st floor.(04:54 PM) Daniel X: not sure(04:54 PM) Daniel X: thats why i said ?(04:54 PM) rich012: I was asking since I am amazed the Morgan Stanly had 50 floors there.(04:55 PM) Daniel X: wow(04:55 PM) rich012: Seems like a lot of floors, so not sure that is right.(04:56 PM) Daniel X: well im leaving ...g night everyonePaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(04:57 PM) Ensign Software: answer is each tower had 110 floors(04:57 PM) rich012: tx howardWelcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni.  Today's charts at www.DaCharts.comWARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk.Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(05:09 PM) Ensign Software: just saw the most dramatic video yet of the plane entering the 2nd tower and the explosion that followed shooting out the sides and ahead.(05:09 PM) rich012: MOrgan Stanley site says 3500 employees worked at the WTC(05:11 PM) Hank500: anyone heard about the gas situation?(05:12 PM) laniermasters: Not me -(05:12 PM) Hank500: supposedly they are going to stop the gas tankers from moving(05:12 PM) Hank500: here all across the country(05:13 PM) Hank500: In some areas of Kansas, gas is going up fast(05:13 PM) Hank500: and there are rumors of them running out everywhere(05:14 PM) Hank500: these are things I saw on some email someone sent me(05:15 PM) Hank500: anyone else hear anything?(05:15 PM) GGriz: my son said there is a run on gas in oklahoma(05:15 PM) rich012: Not me...but by the time it hits the news, it might be too latePaltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk!Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year!Click HELP on your Pal List thenclick 'Bannerless PalTalk'.(05:17 PM) Hank500: everyone at my husband's work has gone to fill up their gas tanks(05:18 PM) Hank500: some people are going to get lots of bottled water!(05:21 PM) rich012: The NYBOT is located in 4 WTC, so all employees were evacuated(05:23 PM) Buffy_04364: been on phone(05:23 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry to miss saying night to many and thanks for being here today(05:24 PM) rich012: WTC just collapsed(05:24 PM) rich012: # 7(05:24 PM) Buffy_04364: tks rich(05:24 PM) dreams_rider: The hole US Economy is near to be collapsed!!!!!(05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: yep this sure isn't going to help it at all(05:25 PM) dreams_rider: All the shares are being sold now???(05:25 PM) Buffy_04364: at least greenspan on a trip in europe(05:26 PM) dreams_rider: The situation here is a complete state of mess???(05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't know anything was open now rider(05:26 PM) Buffy_04364: that is an understantementPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(05:27 PM) dreams_rider: Buffy the holw world is in confusion now!!!1(05:27 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: going to take a while to sort it all out I am sure(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: gold limit up on closing(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: kind of says it all(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: don't you think?(05:28 PM) dreams_rider: The petrol prices went up!!(05:28 PM) GGriz: the world has weathered worst times, this too shall pass(05:29 PM) GGriz: worse(05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: Hi GGriz(05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: true(05:29 PM) GGriz: You doing OK Buffy?(05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: just need to get past the shock of it and start dealing with it all(05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah at the numb stage now(05:29 PM) Buffy_04364: getting to talk to a few people live has helped(05:29 PM) dreams_rider: Who do u think made that terror attack?(05:30 PM) GGriz: yes it's really terrible(05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: went down to the lake and sat by the water for a while too(05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: lindan(05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: it has all the characteristics of one of his(05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: don't you think?(05:30 PM) Buffy_04364: highly organized etc(05:31 PM) dreams_rider: Who is lindan!!!(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I might of spelled it wrong(05:31 PM) GGriz: yes, but north korea, china, iraq , iran japan all have the ability to do this(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: same guy who bombed the WTC in 93(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I think that is the year(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: that is true too ggriz(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: just giving an opinion(05:31 PM) GGriz: sure(05:31 PM) Buffy_04364: but realize it could be wrong(05:32 PM) dreams_rider: I think they are the Isralians!!!(05:32 PM) GGriz: some of the questions may never be answered(05:32 PM) Buffy_04364: ture too many missing news reports(05:32 PM) dreams_rider: They want to use that case against Arabs, dont u think???(05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: the one about the guy on the phone and then explosions which would indicate it was shot down was only heard once - the PA plane(05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: he said the terroists were stabbing everyone(05:33 PM) GGriz: I didn't hear that one(05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: nope it disappeared(05:33 PM) Buffy_04364: just like the ones that said that a bomb went off before the first tower imploded(05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: we will never know the truth as usual(05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: why are they telling nuke plants to go on high security(05:34 PM) GGriz: probably sounded like it when it fell](05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: why are buslines stopping cross county trips(05:34 PM) Buffy_04364: it was heard before it fell(05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: guy said something like "was that a bomb and then it imploded(05:35 PM) GGriz: trying to isolate areas in case there are more killers loose(05:35 PM) Buffy_04364: could of been the thing falling who knows for sure though(05:36 PM) GGriz: gotta go will be back later(05:36 PM) Buffy_04364: you can really get your mind racing with all of this stuff(05:36 PM) Buffy_04364: ok ggriz(05:36 PM) Buffy_04364: 73(05:36 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe see you later(05:36 PM) GGriz: 73Paltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(05:38 PM) rich012: OK, so 20,000 to 50,000 Americans are killed.  This is a war.  We must take swift decisive action or this will be only worse the next time.  My kids and grandkids will have to live with even a worse threat as technology and weapons change.(05:40 PM) rich012: IN other words, if the PLO is the cause, we must wipe them out like in a war.  They started it.  No different than the Japanese at Pearl Harbor. If we don't wipe them out, the next generation will be worse.  Sorry, but thems the facts.  It is a sad time.(05:41 PM) rich012: Sroty about Ted Olsen being called by his wife after hijacking started.(05:41 PM) rich012: end of rant.  Good night all.(05:44 PM) laniermasters: night(05:44 PM) Buffy_04364: night (05:44 PM) Buffy_04364: take care(05:45 PM) laniermasters: I was saying night to Rich, a little too late.  I'll probably hang around for while.(05:45 PM) Buffy_04364: good glad to have the company lanier(05:46 PM) laniermasters: yes, it's nice to be able to be connected to this little group.Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners.Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(05:47 PM) Buffy_04364: helped alot especially in the beginning when it was all happening(05:48 PM) laniermasters: do you think it ends here?(05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: with the security going into place it should(05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: shutting down all air traffic was a good thing(05:49 PM) laniermasters: I hope so!(05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: will it happen again?  depends on how we handle this(05:49 PM) Buffy_04364: fine line between security good enough to stop this type of thing and the freedom we value so much I think(05:50 PM) laniermasters: good point(05:50 PM) Buffy_04364: but I am just a nobody way up in Maine  :-)(05:50 PM) Buffy_04364: with my own thoughts(05:51 PM) Buffy_04364: now know my Mom was right when she talked about Pearl Harbor and said no one could understand how it felt to hear the news unless they were there(05:51 PM) Buffy_04364: well now I do(05:52 PM) laniermasters: Maine's probably a good place to be.  I'm in a city with 4 million people.  And until a couple of months ago, I worked at Merrill in a building I thought of as Little Wall Street, full of brokers.(05:53 PM) Buffy_04364: scarey thought now isn't it(05:53 PM) Buffy_04364: I came here from Boston so know how you must feel(05:54 PM) Buffy_04364: two of those flights came out of boston I believe(05:54 PM) laniermasters: yup. I called one friend there this morning to suggest getting out of the building, but he just said, let me call you back. (05:54 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't understand the rush on gas with opec saying they will not withhold oil(05:55 PM) Buffy_04364: but I am simple minded when it comes to stuff like that(05:55 PM) Buffy_04364: going for a coffee lanier brb(05:57 PM) laniermasters: it may be the retailers who either don' t want to risk supply problems or simply want to take advantage of the excuse to raise price.  I'm not sophisiticated about that sort of issue either.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: that is a thought(06:02 PM) Buffy_04364: not a nice one but a thought(06:03 PM) laniermasters: why afghanistaN?(06:03 PM) Buffy_04364: they are saying with that bilding down now they can do more cause not a danger to recuers(06:03 PM) Buffy_04364: ?(06:04 PM) Buffy_04364: don't understand "why afghanistan?"(06:04 PM) Buffy_04364: the consumer sure isn't spending today (06:04 PM) Buffy_04364: going to make a mess of reports too for a bit(06:07 PM) laniermasters: cnn tvPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(06:07 PM) laniermasters: live now bombs(06:07 PM) Buffy_04364: where(06:07 PM) laniermasters: Kabul(06:07 PM) Hank500: live now?(06:07 PM) Buffy_04364: great  :-((06:07 PM) Hank500: what do you mean?(06:08 PM) Buffy_04364: who is doing the bombing?(06:08 PM) laniermasters: Kabul, Afghanistan(06:08 PM) laniermasters: who knows?(06:08 PM) laniermasters: did you switch to cnn tv?(06:08 PM) Buffy_04364: hope this is not going to turn out to be world wide thing(06:08 PM) Buffy_04364: no I don't think I could take any more(06:09 PM) Buffy_04364: seeing and reading are two different things(06:09 PM) Hank500: Is Kabul doing the bombing or getting bombed?(06:09 PM) laniermasters: getting bombed, apparently(06:10 PM) laniermasters: Hank, you don't have accesss to cable tv?(06:10 PM) Hank500: no(06:10 PM) Hank500: just regular tv(06:10 PM) Hank500: There is a lot of news on here(06:10 PM) Buffy_04364: would be nice to know who doing the bombing and why(06:11 PM) Buffy_04364: silly me for thinking we might find out(06:11 PM) laniermasters: that, explains, someone with a videophone was showing live explosions and several tracers flying over screen.(06:11 PM) laniermasters: it's 2:30 a.m. there. (06:12 PM) laniermasters: I think there're a lot of things we've never found out for sure.(06:12 PM) Buffy_04364: so true lanier(06:13 PM) laniermasters: CNN now saying Bin Laden suspected to live in Afghanistan(06:13 PM) Buffy_04364: that would explain it but why kill inocent people there(06:14 PM) laniermasters: Buffy, you have CNN don't you?(06:14 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I do(06:14 PM) laniermasters: okay(06:15 PM) Buffy_04364: usually just have music on all day(06:15 PM) Buffy_04364: Neil Diamond or oldies radio(06:16 PM) Buffy_04364: well as T says make lemonade from lemons so will try to do filing tomorrow and other stuff(06:16 PM) Buffy_04364: still leave room on thoughPaltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain?Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year!Click HELP on your Pal List then selectBannerless PalTalk to subscribe now!No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups!Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(06:17 PM) laniermasters: good - I have a ton of things to file - mostly toss.(06:19 PM) Buffy_04364: did the tossing a while back now need to file(06:20 PM) Hank500: there was just a bulletin from some "high ranking Official" that it is believed that bombing in Afghan. is not from  us(06:21 PM) laniermasters: Do you think we - the USA - is responsible for the bombs in Afghanistan?(06:21 PM) Buffy_04364: would they tell us?(06:21 PM) Hank500: I don't know(06:21 PM) laniermasters: I have no idea!(06:22 PM) Hank500: who knows anything anymore?(06:22 PM) Buffy_04364: for sure(06:22 PM) Hank500: The world (and USA) as we've always comfortably known it is not the same from this morning forward(06:22 PM) Buffy_04364: so true hank(06:23 PM) laniermasters: Hank, where do you live?  (I'm in Atlanta.)(06:23 PM) dave_b_quick: they said on the news a while ago that Khaddafi has been training terrorists to pilot large aircraft for 10 years(06:24 PM) Hank500: I am in the Nashville, Tennessee area(06:24 PM) Buffy_04364: oh really dave (06:24 PM) Buffy_04364: tks(06:24 PM) laniermasters: I don't think this is over today.  I hope I'm wrong.(06:24 PM) Hank500: do you have cable Buffy?(06:24 PM) Hank500: I am afraid also that this is not over lanier(06:24 PM) laniermasters: Really, I went to Vanderbilt.(06:24 PM) Hank500: I hope we are wrong(06:24 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I do(06:25 PM) Buffy_04364: me too hank(06:25 PM) Hank500: Vandy is going to take some New York burn victims pretty soon(06:25 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows what we will wake up to in the morning(06:25 PM) Hank500: or if we will.....(06:25 PM) Hank500: I am sorry for that morbid remark; (06:25 PM) laniermasters: Don't worry about it.  Buffy, does (06:26 PM) laniermasters: "me too" mean you also went to Vanderbilt?(06:26 PM) Hank500: I am sure it is on everyone's mind too much already(06:27 PM) Buffy_04364: true it isPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(06:27 PM) Hank500: brb - I am going to get gas(06:27 PM) Buffy_04364: ok(06:27 PM) Buffy_04364: hi mike(06:28 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave are you around?(06:28 PM) dave_b_quick: ya(06:29 PM) Buffy_04364: how u doing?(06:29 PM) Buffy_04364: quick ?(06:30 PM) dave_b_quick: hangin in(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: once you add my folder, I can put the chart directly in there  by changing path on snagit(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: we are all hanging in I think(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: or trying to(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: going to lake was a good thing(06:30 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, i'll put the folder in the charts area?(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: to avoid work for you(06:30 PM) dave_b_quick: the ducks were good for you?(06:30 PM) Buffy_04364: no ducks but gave bread to 2and 3 yrs old and got to talk to real people(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: kids remind you life goes on(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: beautiful down there anyway(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: lucky to live close to it(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I guess in the charts area along with ensign and others(06:31 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, kids remind how fragile life it too(06:31 PM) dave_b_quick: is(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: but is that how I would put it in  there(06:31 PM) Buffy_04364: great thereapy(06:32 PM) Buffy_04364: yes they do(06:34 PM) ophelia_14: hi every one(06:35 PM) laniermasters: CNN now saying USA not responsible for explosions in Afghanistan(06:35 PM) laniermasters: part of civil war there(06:35 PM) dave_b_quick: probly some kinda coup, if it was us it would have been alot bigger(06:35 PM) Buffy_04364: well that is good news(06:35 PM) laniermasters: good point, Dave!Paltalk: Credit report online. 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Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(06:58 PM) Buffy_04364: brb(07:06 PM) Buffy_04364: my son thinks right I gues(07:06 PM) Buffy_04364: where are all those offices going to move to(07:07 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, where they gonna get a whole new generation of wiz kids to run 'em tooPaltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(07:08 PM) Buffy_04364: good point(07:08 PM) dave_b_quick: will be interesting to see if the big brokerages were prepared for a disaster of this magnitude(07:09 PM) Buffy_04364: only if they ran a backup last night and got it off premise(07:09 PM) Buffy_04364: either way accounts are going to be tied up for a while(07:09 PM) dave_b_quick: or if they maintained a mirror of their data offsite(07:09 PM) Buffy_04364: true dave that would work too(07:09 PM) dave_b_quick: markets closed tomorrow(07:09 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: my son just said he heard monday (07:10 PM) dave_b_quick: wow(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: that would not be nice(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: MM is world trade center I guess have to be set up again(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: are computer companies ready for the demand(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: ?(07:10 PM) Buffy_04364: who knows(07:11 PM) dave_b_quick: will take quite a price discovery whenever it does open(07:11 PM) Buffy_04364: yep most proably just watch it(07:11 PM) Buffy_04364: we will see(07:11 PM) dave_b_quick: yup(07:11 PM) Buffy_04364: for us(07:11 PM) Buffy_04364: if rest of world keeps trading it could be real messy(07:12 PM) Buffy_04364: another nail in the economy for many(07:12 PM) dave_b_quick: could be, depends how people react(07:12 PM) Buffy_04364: true(07:12 PM) Buffy_04364: it would make sense they aren't going to spend like they were(07:12 PM) dave_b_quick: if this won't take it down too far, that would be a sign of strength(07:12 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it would(07:13 PM) dave_b_quick: "we shall see" as t would say(07:13 PM) Buffy_04364: but foreign exchanges dive not good(07:13 PM) Buffy_04364: alone with gold limit up(07:13 PM) Buffy_04364: and dollar diving before market shut down(07:13 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, we'll see if it was an over reaction and bounces back or if it keeps going (07:14 PM) Buffy_04364: well if our brains ever clear we can do the interview and throw around ideas for website(07:14 PM) dave_b_quick: i heard singapore opened stronger(07:14 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm kinda fried right now, you?(07:15 PM) Buffy_04364: for sure thinking more thurs or fri if markets closed still(07:15 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, whenever you feel ready(07:15 PM) Buffy_04364: do you have current stats on singapore?(07:15 PM) Buffy_04364: yahoo just says 0.0%(07:16 PM) Buffy_04364: and news all yesterday(07:16 PM) dave_b_quick: maybe it was at bloomberg.com(07:17 PM) Buffy_04364: nikkei and hang mildly up too(07:17 PM) Buffy_04364: tks(07:17 PM) dave_b_quick: Nikkei is upPaltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors.Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(07:17 PM) dave_b_quick: so maybe they figure we can handle it(07:18 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe(07:19 PM) Buffy_04364: so many still angry and they need to get past that to handle itt (07:19 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i'm angry, i just don't know who i'm angry at(07:19 PM) Buffy_04364: did you see a chart from the new software Howard posted in the ensign folder(07:20 PM) Buffy_04364: I am past that part for now(07:20 PM) Buffy_04364: sent howard email when I found it last night(07:20 PM) Buffy_04364: and said good job(07:20 PM) dave_b_quick: chart 39?(07:20 PM) Buffy_04364: yep(07:21 PM) dave_b_quick: nice(07:21 PM) Buffy_04364: yes - hmmm pokebar chart not in folder you still working on it?(07:22 PM) dave_b_quick: Oh, i'll move it(07:22 PM) Buffy_04364: you must have it in transit(07:22 PM) Buffy_04364: should have 3 pokebars marked(07:22 PM) dave_b_quick: done(07:23 PM) dave_b_quick: just 2 marked(07:23 PM) Buffy_04364: don't know how to handle it but setup we have now is not working well for finding charts(07:23 PM) Buffy_04364: someone wanted to see ticki with prem and I knew someone had posted one but.........(07:23 PM) Buffy_04364: coudn't find it(07:23 PM) dave_b_quick: would be nice to be able to sort them by time as well as by filename too(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: ok so other one is gone now maybe because it didn't have an extention?(07:24 PM) dave_b_quick: that's the one you told me to delete(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: then my fault(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: one without extention was one to save(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry dave(07:24 PM) dave_b_quick: wasn't it the same?(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: will see if still in snag it(07:24 PM) Buffy_04364: no it had 3 bars marked(07:25 PM) dave_b_quick: some people can't view the ones with no extension, depends on what browser version(07:25 PM) Buffy_04364: was trying to replace one with only two bars marked but didn't put in extention(07:25 PM) Buffy_04364: and snag it didn't add it(07:25 PM) Buffy_04364: ok lets see if snag it still has it then(07:25 PM) dave_b_quick: the blue one isn't really a poke bar, because the line hadn't been defined yet(07:26 PM) dave_b_quick: oh, ya i see the other green poke bar(07:27 PM) Hank500: badk(07:27 PM) Hank500: back(07:27 PM) Buffy_04364: hi hankPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(07:28 PM) Buffy_04364: ok I have it lets see if I can do this(07:28 PM) Hank500: took longer than I thought(07:28 PM) Hank500: long lines at all gas stations(07:29 PM) Buffy_04364: I sent it lets see if it goes to right place(07:29 PM) Buffy_04364: I bet there is hank(07:29 PM) Buffy_04364: what was the reason for the gas run?(07:29 PM) Hank500: they are stopping gas tankers(07:29 PM) Buffy_04364: I did it dave!  now you can delete the 14 one please(07:29 PM) Hank500: so soon gas stations will run out of supplies (gas)(07:30 PM) Buffy_04364: oh the trucks on the road (07:30 PM) Buffy_04364: now why would they do that for too long(07:30 PM) Hank500: because they are dangerous(07:30 PM) Hank500: like moving bombs(07:30 PM) Buffy_04364: think of all those people stuck at the airports too(07:30 PM) Buffy_04364: true but at some point we have to get back to normal here(07:30 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of things are dangerous(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: is this nation wide or what?(07:31 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, people seeing terrorists on every corner right now(07:31 PM) Hank500: yes, nationwide(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what happens when all scared(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: tks hank(07:31 PM) Hank500: gas $3 a gallon in Arkansas(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: wow(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: no way(07:31 PM) Buffy_04364: that is rediculous(07:31 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, when you set your trash out somebody will call the bombsquad this week(07:32 PM) Buffy_04364: true dave(07:32 PM) Hank500: and the person in my gas station said $4 a gallon in Louisville; I don't know if I believe that(07:32 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing would surprise me at all(07:32 PM) Buffy_04364: but making money off of this is not nice at all(07:32 PM) dave_b_quick: the politicians are taking real good care of the chicken coop now after the fox already ate the hens(07:32 PM) Hank500: tell me about it!(07:33 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL(07:33 PM) Buffy_04364: good one dave(07:35 PM) Buffy_04364: for anyone who remembers the old day I can't recommend a better writers than Cory Ford and Patrick McManus(07:36 PM) Buffy_04364: many laughs in each(07:36 PM) Buffy_04364: your chicken coop made me think of it(07:36 PM) Buffy_04364: the people that go to work and need that gas to do so won't be too happy(07:36 PM) Buffy_04364: more anger(07:37 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks Dave(07:37 PM) Buffy_04364: for taking care of the chart mess I madePaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(07:38 PM) Buffy_04364: guess the other thing contributing to the gas situation is ports were closed down today too(07:38 PM) Hank500: soon darkness will come(07:38 PM) Hank500: and with it, looting(07:38 PM) GGriz: remember Boy's First Ax? by McManus???(07:40 PM) GGriz: gas only up 7 cents in Tulsa(07:40 PM) GGriz: might be worth a drive(07:41 PM) Hank500: gas up 20c by me, they said will go up again at 8:00 pm(07:41 PM) Hank500: and another 40 cents tomorrow(07:42 PM) GGriz: America survives this and grows stronger(07:43 PM) Buffy_04364: You have read him too GGriz(07:43 PM) Buffy_04364: great isn't he(07:44 PM) Buffy_04364: I hope we do(07:44 PM) GGriz: yes, laughed so hard I thought I broke my gizzard(07:44 PM) GGriz: whatever that is LOL(07:44 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL(07:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I love his and Cory Ford so much(07:44 PM) Buffy_04364: my kids do too as we read most of them out loud(07:45 PM) Buffy_04364: I am going to go down to my son's house and collect some much needed hugs(07:45 PM) RUvoid: hello All! 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Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(09:57 PM) gf127: hi all(09:57 PM) gf127: when do the markets open?(09:59 PM) gf127: n/m(09:59 PM) Dá: laterPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(10:04 PM) tidewater_2: hi all it is buffy(10:04 PM) tidewater_2: anyone still around(10:05 PM) tidewater_2: can anyone hear me?Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(10:10 PM) tidewater_2: this is buffy(10:10 PM) tidewater_2: anyone still around(10:11 PM) tidewater_2: my son let me install paltalk(10:16 PM) tidewater_2: hi rod(10:16 PM) tidewater_2: this is really buffy(10:16 PM) tidewater_2: machine is still on at home and at sons house(10:17 PM) tidewater_2: is anyone around??(10:17 PM) tidewater_2: lanier are you around?Paltalk: Subscribe to Paltalk Plus to stop the popups today!Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELPon your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'.Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(10:20 PM) laniermasters: I'm back.  I was away for a while.(10:20 PM) tidewater_2: could you hear me?(10:20 PM) laniermasters: over speaker? no.(10:21 PM) tidewater_2: ok well my sons computer so not going to play with it too much(10:21 PM) tidewater_2: how are you doing now?(10:21 PM) tidewater_2: seems funny to see buffy on there and to be buffy here  LOL(10:23 PM) laniermasters: I'm fine.  It's disgusting that the TV stations keep running the most violent videos repeatedly all day.  Everybody in the world has seen them countless times.(10:24 PM) tidewater_2: that is true it is(10:24 PM) laniermasters: mainly CNN, which usually has such great coverage, but overdoing the violence.(10:24 PM) tidewater_2: they all are now I think(10:24 PM) tidewater_2: hi vic(10:24 PM) Vic_925: hi (10:24 PM) tidewater_2: hi polo(10:25 PM) tidewater_2: the speculation going on is also unreal lanier(10:25 PM) Vic_925: kind of ende up here by accident (10:25 PM) laniermasters: the whole thing is unreal(10:25 PM) tidewater_2: oh ok np(10:25 PM) tidewater_2: true(10:26 PM) laniermasters: hi, vic, are you a trader?(10:26 PM) Vic_925:  but I'Ll stay and see what you guys do (10:26 PM) tidewater_2: they said people afraid to go to work in foreign trading places in case worldwide attack on financial(10:26 PM) Vic_925:  yup (10:26 PM) Vic_925:  NQ (10:26 PM) tidewater_2: we usually discuss the market and trade the eminis(10:26 PM) Vic_925:  go over to SE (10:26 PM) tidewater_2: but with the markets closed for a while.......(10:26 PM) Vic_925:   except in the summer (10:26 PM) tidewater_2: nq and es(10:27 PM) laniermasters: I don't blame them.  I'd stay home.  (10:27 PM) tidewater_2: looks like everyone needs a few days of nothing happening to even begin to believe it won't(10:28 PM) tidewater_2: and 36 hrs to pass for anthrax threat to be negated(10:28 PM) laniermasters: I don't have/know pyra.  I know you posted a chart, which I haven't looked at.  Can you tell me a little about the interpretation of the time line that ends today?(10:28 PM) tidewater_2: it was significant because also going on in multiple tf(10:28 PM) Vic_925:  interesting to see you guys up and kicking at thius hour of the day (10:28 PM) tidewater_2: I still have to drive back to the house where buffy is logged on lol(10:29 PM) tidewater_2: down to my sons(10:29 PM) laniermasters: What was the earliest starting date?(10:29 PM) tidewater_2: the fact that eos and diagonals and top of square all coming together in more than one time frame was what gave it most significancePaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: starting date of what lanier?(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: missing something(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: boy am I gettting reminded why I paid to get rid of the ads(10:30 PM) laniermasters: your pyra chart is what I was talking about(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: \pyra?(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: his keyboard feels funny to(10:30 PM) tidewater_2: I started watching it back in july(10:31 PM) tidewater_2: don hall said to adjust the 4M to swing highs and lows where confirmed  b y indicators(10:31 PM) tidewater_2: guess I don't understand what you are asking lanier(10:31 PM) tidewater_2: sorry(10:32 PM) tidewater_2: I feel like my mind is just coming out of the numb stage from today(10:32 PM) tidewater_2: daily is anchored on significant H/L just like weekly and monthly(10:32 PM) tidewater_2: 4M and 16m is what I usually look at(10:33 PM) tidewater_2: beanman has some great charts posted yesterday and today(10:33 PM) laniermasters: interesting.  The trader who taught me TA said (last week) that this week was going to be a  really "sisgnificant" point - talking about the markets.(10:33 PM) tidewater_2: also a pyra folder under links(10:33 PM) tidewater_2: it is interesting how many different systems said that(10:33 PM) tidewater_2: you are right(10:34 PM) laniermasters: I'll look at the charts tomorrow - my brain's not up to it tonight.(10:34 PM) tidewater_2: I don't think anyones is really(10:34 PM) tidewater_2: vic - www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com is where charts are posted during the day  and other links are(10:35 PM) tidewater_2: upgraded version of paltalk is different for sure(10:35 PM) tidewater_2: don't know if I like it or not ....(10:36 PM) laniermasters: I've only had it a couple of weeks.  What's different?(10:36 PM) tidewater_2: most are saying market won't open until monday(10:36 PM) tidewater_2: the colors(10:36 PM) tidewater_2: the ads which I paid to get rid of in the old version a long time ago(10:36 PM) laniermasters: yes, probably Monday, same TA teacher also said that earlier today.(10:37 PM) tidewater_2: I like your TA teacher :-)(10:37 PM) tidewater_2: Dave this is buffy at my son's house(10:38 PM) laniermasters: He's terrific.  Lost many friends today.(10:38 PM) tidewater_2: there were some great TA teachers back when I started on SI(10:38 PM) tidewater_2: that is sad(10:38 PM) laniermasters: It's still not quite real to me.(10:39 PM) tidewater_2: no it will take a while - is finally sinking in here now we are past the numb stage(10:39 PM) tidewater_2: dave and his friends have a way of conversation that doesn't let you stay there long(10:39 PM) tidewater_2: and had to think to drive and get down herePaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(10:40 PM) tidewater_2: so doing better here but most probably up most of the night ow(10:40 PM) tidewater_2: feels like I slept all day(10:40 PM) tidewater_2: so numb over this(10:40 PM) laniermasters: how far did you drive to get to your son's house?(10:42 PM) tidewater_2: about 30 minutes(10:42 PM) tidewater_2: not bad(10:42 PM) tidewater_2: but still have to think(10:44 PM) tidewater_2: well guess time to head home(10:44 PM) tidewater_2: see you maybe when I get back there(10:44 PM) tidewater_2: take care(10:44 PM) tidewater_2: room will be open tomorrow if paltalk is up(10:45 PM) laniermasters: I might be asleep - but tomorrow - drive carefullyPaltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners.Paltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(10:50 PM) rick_147: anyone here?(10:50 PM) Daniel X: me!(10:50 PM) Vic_925: e too (10:51 PM) hill_23: war is bullish(10:51 PM) laniermasters: probably no trading until next week(10:52 PM) Vic_925: got to go   bye (10:52 PM) rick_147: does anyone here trade? i imagine so.  how r they going to trade?(10:52 PM) laniermasters: bye(10:52 PM) Daniel X: Bush said markets open but i dont think so(10:54 PM) laniermasters: war's bullish?(10:54 PM) Daniel X: supposed to be a boost to the economy(10:55 PM) rick_147: do u guys trade?(10:55 PM) Daniel X: horrible but true(10:55 PM) Daniel X: yes(10:55 PM) laniermasters: yes, we trade.(10:55 PM) rick_147: ok so do i and just trying to find out when it's back....so next week we think?..(10:55 PM) laniermasters: don't you think the immediate reaction would be a continuation of the dramatic downtrend this morning?  (10:55 PM) hill_23: http://www.cam.org/~jacad/charts/DJ2950.gif(10:56 PM) Daniel X: looks like Monday(10:56 PM) hill_23: thats a dow quarterly chart(10:56 PM) laniermasters: And maybe a boost later.(10:56 PM) hill_23: look at the attack on pearl in 41 and korean war in 50(10:57 PM) hill_23: in 3 months we will be higher(10:57 PM) rick_147: thanks for the info.  (10:57 PM) hill_23: even tho we should be a lot lower(10:58 PM) rick_147: does anyone know how gene norwoods does?..(10:59 PM) rick_147: or have any comments on it.Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(11:00 PM) rick_147: another question, sorry.  isn't the trading done in the world trade centers??(11:00 PM) laniermasters: who's Gene Norwoods?(11:01 PM) tom_1038: NY Merc, $ index, oil?, few more.(11:03 PM) rick_147: he's an emini sp daytrader that does fairly well everyday.(11:03 PM) tom_1038: GS occupied 50 floors in #1, no third party to guartee transaction, or act as clearinghouse, that'll be the problem. Kantor, Fitagerald another 20 floors.(11:04 PM) rick_147: are gas prices at $5 per gal on the east coast really? and expected to goto $15?(11:04 PM) rick_147: who's gs tom?(11:04 PM) laniermasters: you're serious(11:05 PM) rick_147: hearsay lanier if u know anyone there, better call em.(11:05 PM) laniermasters: I thought MSDW was largest tenant with 22 floors in bldg 2 and 3 in bldg 1.(11:06 PM) tom_1038: -I paid +.07 bout an hour ago, $1.41/gal, girl at counter said they went up first thing this morning, unrelated and before any of this stuff.(11:06 PM) laniermasters: we'll see what happens about the gas.  One small advantage to working at home.-:)(11:06 PM) rick_147: thanks tom thats relieving!(11:07 PM) rick_147: tom you're in ny?(11:08 PM) rick_147: Tom u in NY?...(11:08 PM) tom_1038: Not so fast,  been in contact with lady, said neibhor paid $4.00 in Indiana, in Tronoto lady waited  1 hour in line, price went +.45 while she waited in line.Paltalk: Get your FREE credit report @ ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(11:10 PM) rick_147: im short natural gas! great..(11:10 PM) tom_1038: I might be wrong bout Goldman Sach, it might be MSDW that had 50 floors in #1, didn't mean to rumor monger.(11:11 PM) laniermasters: yes, msdw, 3500 employees, hope most out of bldg(11:11 PM) tom_1038: I'm in NC, just been talking , posting all day.(11:12 PM) rick_147: thanks take care all(11:12 PM) laniermasters: anything else to report that we missed on the news?(11:12 PM) rick_147: not here(11:12 PM) rick_147: bye(11:12 PM) laniermasters: nightPaltalk: Your friends are just a click away!Press the invite button NOW!Paltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(11:27 PM) Buffy_04364: Davey, made it home - almost hit a big dog(11:29 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone still around?(11:32 PM) snake_eye_2: hello (11:32 PM) Buffy_04364: hi snake eye(11:32 PM) snake_eye_2: hi buffy(11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: isn't it horrible what happened today?Paltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: finally getting over being numb by it all(11:33 PM) snake_eye_2: oh yes (11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: going to be lost without the market to trade (11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: they are saying won't open until monday in all probability(11:33 PM) snake_eye_2: i know (11:33 PM) snake_eye_2: it seem like a movie (11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: are u a trader?(11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it does doesn't it(11:33 PM) snake_eye_2: yes iam sp 500(11:33 PM) Buffy_04364: a never ending one(11:34 PM) Buffy_04364: nq emini mostly here(11:34 PM) Buffy_04364: this room of traders was great support today(11:35 PM) snake_eye_2: nice (11:35 PM) snake_eye_2: buffy how long you been trading (11:37 PM) Buffy_04364: just started learning about them in January(11:37 PM) Buffy_04364: used to do naz stocks before that mostly(11:37 PM) Buffy_04364: some options(11:37 PM) snake_eye_2: i see (11:37 PM) Buffy_04364: so great to find the eminis(11:37 PM) Buffy_04364: not so many charts to look at at night :-)(11:38 PM) Buffy_04364: love the leverage also(11:38 PM) snake_eye_2: i see alot of stock trader is turning to the futures (11:38 PM) Buffy_04364: how long you been doing it(11:38 PM) Buffy_04364: yes with the new rules(11:38 PM) snake_eye_2: 20 yrs (11:38 PM) Buffy_04364: many have stopped in(11:38 PM) Buffy_04364: long time - you must be good by now(11:39 PM) snake_eye_2: i was ex-floor-trader for 12-yrs (11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: I still occasionally do something stupid but use short TF so never much at risk(11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: bet you were glad it was ex today(11:39 PM) snake_eye_2: now i trade in my house for a living (11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: where you live now(11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: I am in Maine(11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto here(11:39 PM) snake_eye_2: miami, fl.(11:39 PM) Buffy_04364: love it(11:40 PM) snake_eye_2: is maine est time (11:40 PM) Buffy_04364: dave and I even posted info on eminis and what they were on the website to have a place to direct people(11:40 PM) Buffy_04364: yes(11:40 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com is the site(11:41 PM) Buffy_04364: have it set up so anyone can post charts to show something or talk about something(11:41 PM) Buffy_04364: what software you use(11:41 PM) Buffy_04364: can't get much more north south than us(11:41 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)(11:41 PM) snake_eye_2: pro (11:41 PM) Buffy_04364: esignal w/ensign here(11:41 PM) snake_eye_2: tradestation-proPaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(11:43 PM) Buffy_04364: some here use that and post charts with it(11:43 PM) Buffy_04364: have you visited us before ?(11:44 PM) snake_eye_2: no(11:44 PM) Buffy_04364: well welcome (11:44 PM) snake_eye_2: thank(11:44 PM) Buffy_04364: usually 35-50 traders in here (11:44 PM) Buffy_04364: during market hours(11:44 PM) Buffy_04364: many interesting charts at the website(11:44 PM) tom_1038: Nationwide all point bullrtin, 2 men in white van, thought to have dropped off hijackers at Logan, fat chance of findinf them alive, it'll be open season on any foreigner in white vans.(11:44 PM) Buffy_04364: going to use this down time to finish going through them(11:45 PM) Buffy_04364: yep sad(11:45 PM) Buffy_04364: I heard ont he radio they have search warrents being issued for someplace in florida(11:46 PM) Buffy_04364: room was great support for all of this today(11:46 PM) Buffy_04364: gee tom anyother news (11:46 PM) Buffy_04364: tks for info(11:47 PM) snake_eye_2: thank buffy, for the info, cya later.. 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Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk.(12:21 AM) Buffy_04364: said will maintain market stability(12:21 AM) luv-to-trade: wow!(12:21 AM) luv-to-trade: I wonder what will happen in our markets?(12:21 AM) Buffy_04364: most say we won't open until monday(12:22 AM) luv-to-trade: I just looked at Nikkei - down -619.08 if I am reading this right(12:23 AM) Buffy_04364: they say london should be how our market will go when openedPaltalk: Britney,Dido,Outkast,+ MORE! 12 CDs Free + s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(12:23 AM) Buffy_04364: I hope you aren't(12:23 AM) Buffy_04364: hang on(12:23 AM) Buffy_04364: hi yukoner(12:23 AM) Yukoner: Howdy...(12:24 AM) Yukoner: quite the day(12:24 AM) Buffy_04364: too much history written today(12:24 AM) Yukoner: Anyone have any clue what the s&p index closed at today overseas?(12:24 AM) luv-to-trade: http://quote.yahoo.com/q?s=^n225&d=c&k=c4&t=1d(12:24 AM) Yukoner: wayyy too much(12:25 AM) Buffy_04364: your not reading it wrong(12:26 AM) luv-to-trade: :-((12:26 AM) Yukoner: up here we are shocked at what has taken place (12:27 AM) Yukoner: Any of you in positions in the markets?(12:27 AM) Yukoner: Oil is going to skyrocket....(12:28 AM) Buffy_04364: we all are yukoner(12:28 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it probably will(12:28 AM) Buffy_04364: I myself do not have any positions(12:28 AM) luv-to-trade: What is going to happen next?(12:29 AM) Buffy_04364: I hope nothing(12:30 AM) Buffy_04364: couldn't handle it really(12:30 AM) Buffy_04364: also I think we need a few days of nothing for people to accept it all(12:31 AM) Yukoner: shock and grief are next.... even more so(12:31 AM) luv-to-trade: My one son said he can't believe that someone with the resources to do what they did will stop at this(12:31 AM) Buffy_04364: true most still at the angry stage(12:31 AM) Buffy_04364: I was so numb until went down and talked to son tonight(12:32 AM) Buffy_04364: feel like I just woke up in some respects(12:32 AM) luv-to-trade: me too when I talked to my son(12:32 AM) Yukoner: were any of you close to what happened?(12:32 AM) Buffy_04364: some said they were afraid to go to work at other financial centers in case it wasn't just the usa that was going to get it(12:33 AM) Buffy_04364: not me in Maine(12:33 AM) luv-to-trade: It is starting to sink in nowPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plus s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(12:33 AM) luv-to-trade: not me in Tennessee(12:33 AM) luv-to-trade: now down 645(12:33 AM) Buffy_04364: said they had a search warrant for someplace in florida(12:33 AM) Yukoner: we had a scare up here in the Yukon Territory when some Korean Jets were divereted from the Anchorage, AK airport(12:34 AM) Buffy_04364: not good luv(12:34 AM) luv-to-trade: sorry - bad habit of watching market - lol(12:34 AM) Buffy_04364: where is the protection they promised(12:34 AM) Yukoner: they had a signal saying there was terrorists aboard(12:34 AM) Buffy_04364: I be you did(12:34 AM) Yukoner: at least that is what the Alaskans told us...(12:34 AM) Buffy_04364: be = bet(12:34 AM) Yukoner: fighter jets escorted them in and they evacuted all the schools, etc(12:35 AM) Yukoner: turned out to be a Korean miscommunication error, but everyone was real tense up here in the north(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: as they should be(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: paltalk not letting me copy and paste and couldn't do that address lub(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: another description of someone jumping from a building(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: luv(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: holding hands(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: what is it down now(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: oh sorry(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: np(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: -653(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: I just must be typing or reading it wrong and not catching it(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: at 9639.70(12:36 AM) Buffy_04364: tks(12:36 AM) luv-to-trade: It is in that yahoo site from earlier(12:37 AM) luv-to-trade: do you still have it?(12:37 AM) Buffy_04364: yeah the one I couldn't get to work(12:37 AM) Buffy_04364: hmmm lets see(12:37 AM) Yukoner: i guess survivors are calling from cell phones in the builidng, that must be tough(12:37 AM) Buffy_04364: yes and they are sending the docs in to do amputations(12:37 AM) Buffy_04364: only way to get them out(12:38 AM) luv-to-trade: I don't think I will ever stop crying(12:38 AM) Yukoner: shesh(12:39 AM) Buffy_04364: some little phone company in alaska rented att and verizon satellite(12:39 AM) Buffy_04364: that is why phones started working finally(12:39 AM) luv-to-trade: no matter how much you see the same footage over and over, it is still a shock each time(12:39 AM) Buffy_04364: I quit watching it(12:39 AM) Yukoner: yep(12:39 AM) luv-to-trade: good for them(12:39 AM) Yukoner: i quit too(12:39 AM) luv-to-trade: in ALaska for helping(12:39 AM) luv-to-trade: I want to quit, but can't (12:40 AM) Yukoner: Alaska shut down the oil pipeline because they were afraid of attack(12:40 AM) luv-to-trade: I went to give blood locally, but it was so crowded, they sent us home and said to come back in a few days when this supply might run out and they would need more(12:40 AM) Buffy_04364: yes luv same here in maine(12:41 AM) luv-to-trade: a lot of people are pulling together all over the country(12:42 AM) Yukoner: it will pull a country together that remained divided over its presidential choice, etc.(12:42 AM) Yukoner: America, the giant will awaken and rally(12:43 AM) Buffy_04364: yes everyone is "get the @!# that did this no matter what it costs"(12:43 AM) Yukoner: I am Canadian and I have to say I loved Bush's speechPaltalk: Credit report online. Always private, always secure,get yours FREE from ConsumerInfo.Com!CLICK HERE NOW FOR YOUR FREE CREDIT REPORT!(12:43 AM) Buffy_04364: used - United   American   planes (12:43 AM) Buffy_04364: did it on    9-11(12:43 AM) Buffy_04364: on purpose?(12:44 AM) Buffy_04364: it was good I agree(12:44 AM) Buffy_04364: can you hear me(12:44 AM) Yukoner: yep, i can hear(12:45 AM) Yukoner: i need to go, nite all(12:45 AM) luv-to-trade: wow - that was abrupt(12:46 AM) luv-to-trade: who you thinK? Still Bin Laden?(12:46 AM) luv-to-trade: me too(12:46 AM) luv-to-trade: my son thinks today was the first of a week's worth of sh--(12:47 AM) luv-to-trade: did you hear me?(12:48 AM) luv-to-trade: hear me?Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain?Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year!Click HELP on your Pal List then selectBannerless PalTalk to subscribe now!No banners! No Popups! Fast video in all groups!(12:49 AM) tidewater_2: it would have been incinerated in the fire(12:49 AM) Buffy_04364: can u hear david(12:49 AM) tidewater_2: yep(12:50 AM) luv-to-trade: even the stuff that might have gotten airborne?(12:50 AM) tidewater_2: the planes exploded on impact - fully loaded with fuel as they were the fireball would have incinerated *anything* inside the plane(12:51 AM) tidewater_2: also biological weapons would have drawn attention from the intelligence community(12:51 AM) tidewater_2: making it more likely that this never would have happened(12:52 AM) tidewater_2: possible but not likely.  it is hard to keep a secret with a large number of people.  with 2 or 3 terrorists per plane and liekly 4-5 mor eon the gound they were *really8 pushing the envelope for the number of people that can keep a secret(12:53 AM) tidewater_2: florida - one of the passangers had a link to bin laden and they are going after that guys apartment in broword county(12:53 AM) tidewater_2: very very not likely it was diversionaryPaltalk: Get 12 FREE CDs! Click for Details,CLICK HERE NOW FOR 12 FREE CD's!(12:53 AM) luv-to-trade: 25, 24, and 12(12:54 AM) tidewater_2: something like that(12:54 AM) luv-to-trade: you think?  lol(12:54 AM) tidewater_2: hahahaha(12:55 AM) tidewater_2: hmmm...if I say how I know how old darlene is then everyone will know how old you are(12:55 AM) luv-to-trade: awwww(12:58 AM) tidewater_2: no clue - reading one of my clan mates accounts of the events - he was 4 blocks away whent he second plane hit the WTC(12:59 AM) luv-to-trade: lolololol(01:00 AM) luv-to-trade: nice meeting you Dave(01:00 AM) tidewater_2: he's ut.  (01:00 AM) luv-to-trade: you have a great mom(01:00 AM) tidewater_2: yes, nice meeting you too luv(01:00 AM) luv-to-trade: and smart!(01:00 AM) luv-to-trade: Good night al(01:00 AM) luv-to-trade: all(01:00 AM) tidewater_2: :) I raised a good parent(01:00 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL(01:01 AM) tidewater_2: night(01:02 AM) tidewater_2: no he doesn;t know - he's a doped up kid who likes computer games(01:02 AM) tidewater_2: crap it is late(01:02 AM) tidewater_2: it's cool(01:02 AM) tidewater_2: no problem(01:03 AM) tidewater_2: *hugs*  talk to ya tomorrow.....I'm set up better than youPaltalk: Get 4 DVDs for 49˘ each plush s&h.CLICK HERE NOW FOR 4 DVD's @ 49 ˘ EACH!(01:03 AM) tidewater_2: that's too bad(01:04 AM) tidewater_2: update your media player(01:04 AM) tidewater_2: or switch to windows media player(01:04 AM) tidewater_2: is windows media player your default?(01:04 AM) tidewater_2: this is true(01:05 AM) tidewater_2: get the media player update.  anyway I do have to go to bed(01:05 AM) tidewater_2: and your cats(01:05 AM) tidewater_2: night(01:05 AM) Buffy_04364: hugs