Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. Daniel X: i would think to move the stop to the top of the 15 min lod bar ppusa: yes and then reenter Daniel X: 1385 ppusa: if need be Buffy_04364: I know but when I tried to do that one time was told retro stops could be higher than last bar and well just couldn't do it Buffy_04364: LOL Buffy_04364: maybe I was told wrong ppusa: because get stopped anyway jimbo_320: dow 9900 saves the day again Daniel X: no i meant to cover the retro short ppusa: retro dan would take 85 Daniel X: definitely Buffy_04364: so wouldn't I Daniel X: ? Buffy_04364: just don't want to confuse anyone trying to stick with retro Daniel X: would u mean Buffy_04364: Hi Dave Buffy_04364: glad to see you here and things are alright jimbo_320: es 22 holding as resitance jimbo_320: 4 now... Daniel X: pushed thru the 20 ema ..looks good here folks Daniel X: 1400 trend reversal i would think dave_b_quick: hi, how long has paltalk been back up? Buffy_04364: long time dave Buffy_04364: need a folder for today when you have a chance Daniel X: if this is the record short month and they decide to over now...WOW!!!!!! dave_b_quick: oops Daniel X: sarite Buffy_04364: that could be something daniel Buffy_04364: thanks for the reminder Daniel X: gosh i'd still deer it though! Daniel X: hope not Buffy_04364: hasn't confirmed yet on larger TF tang: do we have 123 tang: ? Daniel X: looks like it tang: ok Daniel X: 1400 would have to go though before i touch this tang: any possible long singal tang: ok Daniel X: 2 mins thsi 15 min bar will finish ..then we'll see Daniel X: 1 min ppusa: high of last hour 1403. Due for an up hour Daniel X: good ppusa: 1400 ppusa: repeat slower? Daniel X: g Daniel X: o Daniel X: o Daniel X: d Mario73: @LFUTURE ppusa: 3-13 tang: any long at 140150? ppusa: 13-3 ppusa: CST Daniel X: i would think Tang tang: got u ppusa: mario u get that? Daniel X: 1393.50 was an entry i think ppusa: repeat? ppusa: 8:00 ppusa: on my machine ppusa: no luv-to-trade: covered 1402 ppusa: i do not have real time LFuture. That is what i show as default Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. ppusa: been to 2.5 looking for over 3 Mario73: thank you very much, ppusa ppusa: sure ppusa: very knowledgeable EW people here ppusa: look at that Mario73: I am struggling with the Lfutures - I don't get the whole day data Daniel X: 200 ema @ 1415 Daniel X: and the train at the same tome..this could be huge ppusa: who is your data provider and whgere are you located? Mario73: esignal - Austria/Europe Mario73: but I use CST on my machine Daniel X: come on come on ppusa: bailed Daniel X: i can't bail jimbo_320: NOTE a down wedge never goes the right way the first time... :-) wayne_53: On the last short did Retro pretty much give back ALL those gains? ppusa: buying pb's Buffy_04364: dave can you answer wayne? jimbo_320: Mario r u in Europe? Mario73: talking to me? Mario73: yes, I am ppusa: no they moved the continent jimbo_320: y me too, uk dave_b_quick: ya, wayne, sorry wayne_53: thnx Mario73: Jimbo - where exactly - spent 6month in Enniskillen/Northern Ireland Mario73: @jimbo - are your trading European futures as well? jimbo_320: S. Coast UK, u in austria? Mario73: yes Mario73: are you using EW chartsoftware? jimbo_320: trading spoos? Mario73: not yet - QQQ via nq jimbo_320: no, i trade spoos and nqoos (sometimes) jimbo_320: and us stocks Buffy_04364: many of us use it here mario Mario73: allright jimbo_320: England 1 Germany 5 , remember that? Mario73: like I said, I am still fighting with the @Lfuture adjustments - can't get data for the whole day - some solutions? Mario73: no - what do u mean? tang: ib on 5 min Buffy_04364: it isn't time to switch contracts yet is it? ppusa: no jimbo_320: it was the highlight of last week in the uk when we thrashed them at footy, playing albania tonight for a place in the world cup finals Daniel X: stop goes to 1400.50 Mario73: sorry, I am not really up to date with this tang: you are long dan Daniel X: was Daniel X: -1 Mario73: does anyone know what's up with the ensign support people (and with their chat room)? Buffy_04364: no haven't seen Howard all day jimbo_320: another one of those clunks into the close setups? tang: ok dan Daniel X: had +9.5 left it for somone else!! Buffy_04364: no answer to emails either - hope everything all right Daniel X: ouch Mario73: I know - maybe on holiday? beanman_1: I recall Howard mentioning he had a new Grandson... beanman_1: last week I think Buffy_04364: yes he does but unlike him not to leave room covered jimbo_320: 1400 is the pivot here? dave_b_quick: Hey, Jimbo, I liked yr ES chart from yesterday! Buffy_04364: 8lbs11oz21" Buffy_04364: Howard Ethan Arrington to be called Ethan Buffy_04364: 8/31/01 Daniel X: 1392 Daniel X: pivot Buffy_04364: his first one too wayne_53: Dave...If we've just exited a trade, do we wait for this 15m bar to close and then trade off it or if this takes out the prior low on the previous bar do we go short ppusa: looking kinda toppy inspite (spelling?) of? jimbo_320: dave i cant complain at +37 can I jimbo_320: i guess i got lucky Daniel X: yah Jim i saw that ..congrats! Buffy_04364: don't think so Jimbo jimbo_320: Buffy didnt like my doubling up though... Daniel X: Retro's next entry? Daniel X: 10.50 Buffy_04364: I didnt' say that Buffy_04364: :-) jimbo_320: it worked for me because it was pure selling and i never had a chance to bail too early as usual LOL Buffy_04364: lol dave_b_quick: nice entries too jimbo, you'll have to give retro some lessons Daniel X: SPetro Daniel X: alot of traders were asking for a way to apply it to ES ppusa: the 15 minute chart looks like that run to 1408 area was a top jimbo_320: i think buffy said retro was up 138 on something obscene like that Buffy_04364: 132 yesterday Buffy_04364: according to dave's charts dave_b_quick: all in the afternoon, same trade as jimbo's but not as good an entry jimbo_320: i was going to buy 1130 but played golf instead for a bit, so missed the upside dave_b_quick: LOL kinda choppy on the way up ppusa: i bot this pb to 93...now what? jimbo_320: yeah i'd probably of made a couple of points if lucky on the way up with my exit strategy ppusa: out Daniel X: PPUSA i don't like the 5 min flat lining EMAs Daniel X: i shmell break out jimbo_320: the es trade was on the 60min but entered on the 1min, 56-58 heavy resistance, bigger timeframes bigger reward ppusa: i got back 97.5 ppusa: riding Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. ppusa: dow only down 8 Daniel X: damn too slow Daniel X: short cover luv-to-trade: did greenspan step in? luv-to-trade: lol ppusa: out Daniel X: 6.50 was Retro re entry Daniel X: 200 ema res ppusa: 50 and higher point PnF's saying reversal soon. 30 point and below already have. Daniel X: PP says reversale ...time to go long!!lol ppusa: dow positive ppusa: i can't call the larger point PnF's ppusa: but i am long 2 nq and have been buying pb's and selling rally's since the low Daniel X: lol jimbo_320: dow 10000 ppusa: last one was buy 2 at 8.5 sell at 13.5 ppusa: looking good. jimbo_320: trin 1.76 jimbo_320: es 5 points of HOD Daniel X: +12 2 trades ppusa: 1425 reversed one 50 point PnF depending on whether parameteers are by 5 points or 10 points. ppusa: ters Daniel X: if we go + here boom!!! Daniel X: damn jimbo_320: another amazing day.. Daniel X: BUFFY ;-) Daniel X: i guess we can say the low is in dave_b_quick: LOL Daniel X: i was long from 9 Daniel X: damn ppusa: i am sitting on my 2 longs and hands now so this is the last you will hear see of me! Daniel X: lol jimbo_320: out es +7.5 Daniel X: i just couldn't hold Daniel X: after leaving some 20+ points on the table today Buffy_04364: bk Daniel X: Buffy! Buffy_04364: yes Daniel X: remember what i said earlier Daniel X: this is not all of it Buffy_04364: k Buffy_04364: GSD candle on 3M Daniel X: well i guess the charts are all messed up now Buffy_04364: no my 50t Buffy_04364: not Daniel X: 40 is a PnF breakout # Daniel X: 5 min Buffy_04364: gravestone candle stricks again Daniel X: after that 70 with a few bumps and bruises along the way dave_b_quick: that bottom today was support from the march low on the NDX, then we go to zero i guess Buffy_04364: 1414 might catch this ppusa: PnF said 15 point reversal due from 40 (25) but I was too slow to take advantage of it. Now what? Daniel X: wild price action ...alot of market orders going thru ppusa: good for us Buffy_04364: interesting dave_b_quick: hammer doji on daily to suck in some longs, then the great abyss? ppusa: 75 point PnF reverses at 1450 Daniel X: i guess there's alot of flashers in the pit today ppusa: from where thou? ppusa: 200 point PnF reversal up, then the abyss? ppusa: or here Daniel X: i should say right now Daniel X: i don't think ...abyss PP jimbo_320: heres hoping we hit the lows for another crazy day Daniel X: ha Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! jimbo_320: out es for +2.25 Daniel X: this type of action is expected at market extremes jimbo_320: dont like that 1228 bounce Daniel X: jimbo are you applying Retro to es Daniel X: ? jimbo_320: n selling flags jimbo_320: or buying ppusa: abyss Buffy_04364: ditto love those flags! Daniel X: Buffy got her 14..... Buffy got her 14..yippy ki yaaaa ppusa: one positive is the 25 point PnF has a double top Daniel X: PP would tthat be = to 5 min Daniel X: ? jimbo_320: buffy they are the best Buffy_04364: sure are jimbo_320: you need to know the key support and resitance for the flags to work though Buffy_04364: just posted 50T so you guys can see why worth watching even if not tradingit Daniel X: wow what action..treacherous Daniel X: ok thnx jimbo_320: trap the shorts on the way up, diabolical Daniel X: there's T's "D" word Buffy_04364: easy to see the flags on it jimbo_320: where are we posting today? Buffy_04364: dave gave us a folder Buffy_04364: for today's charts jimbo_320: this trading day is better than the England football match so far :-) cctraderx: LOL Daniel X: News Flash"Nudity in the Pits" Daniel X: Traders taking off their shorts ppusa: you know this tradiing with the trend is a lot more fun than the alternative Daniel X: lol cctraderx: yep, LOL Buffy_04364: lol ppusa: i'm not ppusa: i have done some way stupid buy and hold! luv-to-trade: what is the trend? I don't see one luv-to-trade: it is going back and forth both ways luv-to-trade: too hard to read for me :( Daniel X: trending up but hard to stay in ppusa: kinda neutral i think but i can buy oversold and sell overbot here Daniel X: huge swing lows jimbo_320: i am going and watch the rest of the footy, i'll take my 10 es put it towards my 25,000$ fund, i might be back trading stocks soon enough LOL all we need now is a 5-1 win and we're happy Buffy_04364: great Jimbo Buffy_04364: thanks for joining us Daniel X: good..enjoy! Daniel X: the match jimbo_320: thanks dan, buffy see you tommorow for some more chaos..... in the market..... ppusa: Dan i went back and that question you asked about 25 point PnF happens to be on 30 minute because my 30 minute chart has a lot of price history so i get a nicer chart than just a few rows from a shorter term chart. dave_b_quick: thanks, jimbo Daniel X: lol yes will do Daniel X: thnx PPUSA Daniel X: to the moon now? ppusa: the next time my PnF's tell me to buy or sell, I am going to wait until the 15 minute bar reverses. and load up. ppusa: 1385 today Daniel X: ;-) Daniel X: with the NAPM # yesterday and this test of April.. if we hold of course should bode well in the minds of alot of investors,especially those that felt they missed te April buying opp. Buffy_04364: true Daniel X: earnings just around the corner and we know what usually happens Daniel X: sept oct Buffy_04364: yep sure do Daniel X: history ...oct being the worst month Daniel X: brb dave_b_quick: earnings again already? should be worse than last earnings, no? Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Buffy_04364: yes Daniel X: i don't think so Dave Daniel X: but what do i know Buffy_04364: after this quarter the analyists should be alright for next qtr Buffy_04364: IMO Daniel X: exactly Daniel X: the good news is things couldn't possibly be worst! Daniel X: worse Buffy_04364: I don't think they are for this quarter though - but who knows haven't really been watching their adjustments like I used to Daniel X: u know what's weird Buffy...when i make $ shorting for some reason it doesn't feel as good when i'm making it on the long side...it's like dirty $ or something.lol Buffy_04364: that is a common emotion to overcome according to the books too dave_b_quick: i guess i'm backwards, i feel better on the short side Buffy_04364: lol Buffy_04364: how is retro doing today Dave? must be good now no chop? Daniel X: lol don't give me that BearishBull**** Dave !!! Daniel X: lol beanman_1: Bear pie is served up much hotter and faster..... dave_b_quick: retro has been stopped out a lot today Daniel X: true Orprepus: back Buffy_04364: yes I know but hope he made most back luv-to-trade: I am just the opposite - for some reason it is easier for me to sell than buy; it's hard for me to buy Buffy_04364: anytime we have 20+pts to a bar retro doesn't like it dave_b_quick: ya, 5 points stops get hit pretty easy Daniel X: Luv bet you weren't saying that in 1999 luv-to-trade: dang! every time I think it is going up, it drops, and every time I think it is going down, it shoots up luv-to-trade: no, Daniel, it's always been easier for me to be a seller Daniel X: this action is consistant with market extremes luv-to-trade: I end up having my biggest losing days on very up days dave_b_quick: are you a lefty, luv? luv-to-trade: lol - no Daniel X: Retro might take a lot of volitility losses in the next few days dave_b_quick: so much for that theory Daniel X: what theory is that Dave? dave_b_quick: about lefties favoring the short side Daniel X: oh ok luv-to-trade: is that true? dave_b_quick: proably not luv-to-trade: my grown son is a lefty, and he has big hope for this market coming back luv-to-trade: up luv-to-trade: he is also very conservative; thinks I am nuts for daytradeing luv-to-trade: and thinks commodoties are way too risky Daniel X: "hope" is a dirty word for us traders luv-to-trade: he is not a trader luv-to-trade: he is an investor luv-to-trade: lol cctraderx: us traders sometimes become investors - lol luv-to-trade: I agree about 'hope' being a dirty 4-letter-word luv-to-trade: I do hope for one thing tho....... luv-to-trade: that I am never again whipsawed as bad as I was today :( Daniel X: Hope Only Proves Erroneous John 4242: luv, were you trading retro today? luv-to-trade: no, I like it, but I don't quite understand it well enough to trade luv-to-trade: did you? John 4242: yes, John 4242: second day John 4242: did better yesterday! luv-to-trade: how did it do today? John 4242: well, i made a couple of mistakes on it John 4242: I'll retrade it now to see what the system did traded correctly Daniel X: John like what? luv-to-trade: I think this would be a rough day for it; true? John 4242: I would have made money without the errors. Daniel X: what errors? John 4242: Actually, I made a few pts, but yesterday was much better John 4242: missed some areas of resistance John 4242: so I didn't adjust my stop luv-to-trade: how was yesterday? paltalk was down John 4242: also bailed early on one trade luv-to-trade: I bet it did good with the big move yesterday John 4242: see the website . . . retro traded correctly made +65 pts yesterday Buffy_04364: yes it did John 4242: even without "adding" positions Buffy_04364: even had adds luv-to-trade: how did it do on a choppy day like today? Gorillatrader: how is Mr. Retro doing today? John 4242: but I am getting more comfortable at trading it. John 4242: Dave has helped me a lot -- Buffy_04364: stopped out a lot GT idare_1: hi Buffy_04364: he doesn't like those 20+bars Buffy_04364: bet you did well today Gorillatrader: yep John 4242: Like Dave said earlier, it got stopped out a lot today. Gorillatrader: not easy trading John 4242: Gorilla, are you using retro or a hybird or something else? Buffy_04364: thre were a few easy pieces today Buffy_04364: thing is to wait for them Gorillatrader: Key to stay out many times luv-to-trade: I think a lot of us got stopped out several times today, regardless of the system we might use Buffy_04364: agreed gravestonedoggie: a few easy pieces... hmmm John 4242: Gorilla, how do you determine when to say out, or what trades not to take on retro John 4242: stay Gorillatrader: John, don't know yet...but on wide range bars, stay out...don't take the trde John 4242: ok Gorillatrader: the next trade John 4242: today, how wide would have been wide? Buffy_04364: they only way to play those wide range bars is to drop down to lower TF wayne_53: John4242......On the ES if I'm up 6pts I look to lock in 4. Today it was up 7 on one trade and gave it all back. Good thing for the stop at 4. Had another that was up over 10. Once over 10 I look to close it out . Morning was hell. Today +11.75 pts on ES Gorillatrader: John, only the individual trader can say. Buffy_04364: we started out with a 19 pt one first bar Buffy_04364: this is true GT John 4242: nice job, Wayne -- wayne_53: thnx Gorillatrader: like Wayne says, take profits, partial profits and get to at least breakeven Buffy_04364: then a 22 Gorillatrader: quickly Buffy_04364: then a 20.50 Buffy_04364: retro just doesn't do well with that Buffy_04364: those are big bars Gorillatrader: the technique in Retro is to ADD contracts, I tend to take off contracts, take partial profits Buffy_04364: howard is on wayne_53: I'm sure it can be tuned in the future Buffy Buffy_04364: oh the one looking for him isn't here John 4242: wayne53, what do you use as your stop on the es? Gorillatrader: Retro excellent approach, just need to individualize it for yourself Buffy_04364: even if it is just to stand aside Buffy_04364: agree gt ppusa: The morning pattern on the 15 minute chart has repeaated itself often. Traders have to get sucked in wrong because that is the nature of trading. wayne_53: Like I said, I'm looking for 4 pts on the trade so once it's up 6 I lock it in with a stop. Just my own preference. +10 and I fold the cards Gorillatrader: what is Ensign topic for today? Buffy_04364: constantly adjusting TL at end of today which is a warning of hard trading Buffy_04364: don't know GT cheetah55: Was anyone in Mike's room today? Buffy_04364: haven' t heard Gorillatrader: great technique, Wayne wayne_53: tnx Gorilla Gorillatrader: Know when to hold them, know when to fold them wayne_53: Find the weaknesses in a method and look to improve on it Buffy_04364: have asked howard wayne_53: right Buffy_04364: the class is going to be on studies Buffy_04364: per howard wayne_53: The chop is the biggest problem but that goes with the game. Everyone has trouble with that Gorillatrader: thx Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Buffy_04364: yes the qucker you can identify it the better wayne_53: You have to get wacked a couple of times before you know you're in it dave_b_quick: I tried to get in mike's room, but didn't have the right password cheetah55: ok dave Buffy_04364: I do know that when my tick chart has 1.5-2.5 pt give or take it is in a trend cheetah55: I thought it was going to be open Buffy_04364: larger says to be careful Buffy_04364: per bar for the pts dave_b_quick: buffy, you mean the 50t chart? Buffy_04364: yes Buffy_04364: haven't yet looked at others to see if same applied dave_b_quick: very interesting observation Buffy_04364: looks like it might to 3M wayne_53: what charting program are you using Buffy Buffy_04364: esignal with ew wayne_53: what's ew Buffy_04364: ensign wayne_53: tnx Buffy_04364: ensign windows Buffy_04364: their charts now have the EW in the upper left corner elly_34: hello elly_34: anyone follow retro today? Buffy_04364: hi elly how did it go today dave_b_quick: retro took a beating today, elly, tail between legs elly_34: i could not get on paltalk after i saw u wayne_53: does that program include the pyrapoints I see you talking about cctraderx: how many points dave? Buffy_04364: yes it does wayne elly_34: but i spent a little time with teresa on yahoo chat dave_b_quick: -7.5 wayne_53: how do you like them. cctraderx: taint bad elly_34: not bad after a day like yesterday dave Buffy_04364: considering what he can make that isn't a beating dave cctraderx: how was yesterday? dave_b_quick: +132 Buffy_04364: I love them - great support for ew and esignal elly_34: i wonder how many days after large range days, end up - with retro Buffy_04364: former qcharts user cctraderx: and you call -7.5 a beating elly_34: ever looked at that dave? wayne_53: do you use the pyrapoints for your primary trading Buffy dave_b_quick: not scientifically, but i have noticed that after the big days expect a little day Buffy_04364: no not yet wayne but it sure contributes elly_34: yes Buffy_04364: we are ending on nrb Buffy_04364: interesting wayne_53: what do you primarily use for trading with ensign Buffy_04364: 9/20 EMA along with 50/200 EMA and TL wayne_53: thnx Buffy_04364: watch a bunch of other stuff just to keep busy LOL John 4242: Buffy, how does retro fit into your trading (if at all)? Buffy_04364: I check to see if he agrees with me sometimes John 4242: ok Buffy_04364: :-) Buffy_04364: on real bad chop days have used retro bars for entry also dave_b_quick: buffy is usually miles ahead of retro wayne_53: Buffy....With the 9/20 what are you looking for in order to take a trade, and what time frame do you primarily trade off Buffy_04364: with the big range bars, I went to small TF Buffy_04364: the 9/20 determine for me what side I want to be on for the trade Buffy_04364: do not like to countertrend trade Buffy_04364: I get beat up too much and it hurts LOL wayne_53: what time frame do you primarily use Buffy_04364: today was small the 4M 3M 75T and 50T Buffy_04364: not common combination ppusa: Buffy did you get long after the low? Buffy_04364: no but went short when it tagged the 200ema on the 50T Buffy_04364: there are many ways to skin the cat LOL Buffy_04364: and they all work for the people using them ppusa: remember what i said about the PnF one more leg down then up? Buffy_04364: yep Buffy_04364: and daniel smelled a breakout Buffy_04364: if I trusted pyra would of done it ppusa: i am hoping that one day i willl have the patience to wait for the turn signal. Buffy_04364: that has to be my nemisis too - thinking I know what it is going to do before it confirms ppusa: It just involves waiting until the next time the PnF's get like that, ppusa: and that catching the signal ppusa: then Buffy_04364: yep ditto here ppusa: and i think the best signal is the 15 minute Buffy_04364: usually is just hard on these wide range bars whenever they happen ppusa: yes, the 15 would have given the signal 14 or so points off the low Buffy_04364: that 50T I posted had such nice neat bars - that is when easy to trade Buffy_04364: like everyone agrees with what the market is doing Buffy_04364: bulls and bears not fighting it out Buffy_04364: compare that to late afternoon and you can see the difference ppusa: yes the late afternoon was rough. ppusa: i sensed something was wrong because the chart was too steep. Da Dappa Don: hello traders! ppusa: also the 10 and 15 point PnF's were acrophobic cheetah55: buffy, are u saying u primarily use the 9m 20ema to determine the trend and then don't trade against it? Buffy_04364: yes Buffy_04364: that is right cheetah Buffy_04364: hardest time for me is when next tf up doesn't agree with one I am trading with Buffy_04364: usually wait them or scalp Da Dappa Don: who's filthy rich with so much money they can help me and doesn;t mined anyone else hering either? dave_b_quick: posted the retro stuff, nothing to crow about today Buffy_04364: thanks dave ppusa: da dappa what do you wabt? cheetah55: buffy, so on today's 9 min chart, at what time are u looking to get long based on the 9m trend? ppusa: want Da Dappa Don: i want to know how to make a lot of money fast ppusa! Da Dappa Don: can u help? ppusa: are u a trader? Da Dappa Don: no ppusa: rob a bank Da Dappa Don: is that how u get yours? Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! ppusa: "we" are futures traders and that's all we can help you with Buffy_04364: just posted the 9M taking out that TL would be the first time for a long Buffy_04364: if I was watching that cheetah55: :-) Buffy_04364: does that help cheetah? ppusa: buffy your downtrend line? that tl? Da Dappa Don: your a lot of help, is there anyone out there with alot of money and would know how to help and hasn't got there noses stuck up there arse? Buffy_04364: that would be a bull flag Buffy_04364: Da Dappa Don has been bounced from the group Buffy_04364: after the 9x20 Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Don't take the trades unless you understand them and can take the risk. ppusa: I have had this exact conveersation before with you over same subject. Buffy_04364: might be why I am so quick to draw the lines now Buffy_04364: :-) Buffy_04364: yep we have Buffy_04364: I still won't take a countertrend trade though Buffy_04364: did yesterday without the room but too much to do with it and I get bit more often than not so just as well ppusa: anyway i am holding two little longs waiting for the 75 and 125 PnF's to reverse. So this means tomorrow should have a higher high. Buffy_04364: great Buffy_04364: 9 didn't cross the 20 on the 15 until completion of bar 1530 Buffy_04364: whoops better get over to howard class Buffy_04364: see you on Buffy_04364: it is on studies tonight ppusa: The counter trend thing, sometimes the trend switches so fast it's hard to tell what it is. But usually if you go opposite fa enough outside the previous days range, you are ok. ppusa: bye cheetah55: Buffy, at Buffy_04364: will come back in here later cheetah Bob77713: What paltak group is Howards?