Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a (08:39 AM) gravestonedoggie: dave? (08:39 AM) dave_b_quick: hi (08:39 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks a lot for all the retro work (08:39 AM) dave_b_quick: that will help a lot with updating the stats (08:39 AM) gravestonedoggie: welcome back.. and you'rre welcome (08:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: when i try to post right now, i get msg, "unable to post temporary file to ftp server" and an error code (08:40 AM) dave_b_quick: hmmm, let me try (08:40 AM) Daniel X: since last night! (08:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes (08:41 AM) Buffy_04364: dave, it still doesn't work for me to post (08:41 AM) Buffy_04364: morning all (08:41 AM) Daniel X: btw good morning (08:41 AM) Daniel X: back in 10 (08:41 AM) Buffy_04364: or should say morning Team (08:42 AM) Buffy_04364: everything I try to post shows up as a tmp file (08:42 AM) Tom_B: GM (08:42 AM) dave_b_quick: hmm, snagit makes the tmp files and then deletes them right away normally (08:43 AM) Buffy_04364: it says unable to put temporary file on ftp server (08:43 AM) Buffy_04364: for error (08:43 AM) Buffy_04364: 2EFE is the error message (08:43 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe we hit the 50Mb limit. I'll try archiving some old charts (08:44 AM) dave_b_quick: some of the .JPG charts are pretty big files (08:44 AM) Buffy_04364: it happened to Jim a couple of times yesterday but then he was able to post (08:44 AM) Buffy_04364: got a conversion program LOL (08:46 AM) Buffy_04364: do they charge you for more space? (08:46 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, probably not much, the first 50Mb was only $5/month (08:46 AM) Buffy_04364: I am sure many would contribute including Howard (08:46 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (08:47 AM) Buffy_04364: well, I see nothing but the site growing :-) (08:47 AM) Buffy_04364: those chat files aren't that small either (08:48 AM) Buffy_04364: you figure everyday we are adding charts, chat and retro info at a minimum (08:48 AM) dave_b_quick: the biggest chat transcripts are about 100k, but most of the JPG's are >250k (08:49 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (08:49 AM) Buffy_04364: will we still be able to access days folder for reference if needed (08:49 AM) dave_b_quick: compare to the GIF's that are mostly under 40k (08:49 AM) Buffy_04364: understand (08:50 AM) dave_b_quick: maybe I'll have to compress the older charts or something (08:50 AM) Buffy_04364: 10 jpg yesterday Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a (08:52 AM) Buffy_04364: said 2 rules (08:52 AM) Buffy_04364: but we are to figure it out (08:52 AM) cheetah55: so he is just posting for fun to see how it works out (08:52 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (08:52 AM) Buffy_04364: and to give us a challenge (08:52 AM) Buffy_04364: welc back cheetah (08:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: key charts are the ones that show the retro trades... the charts that the group posts daily seem like they have mostly temporary value.. maybe could be removed periodically? (08:52 AM) cheetah55: hi ya buffy (08:53 AM) cheetah55: hey gsd (08:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: wlcm back cheetah (08:53 AM) Buffy_04364: there are a few teaching things in their that I don't have (08:53 AM) cheetah55: So howard not giving clues for signals? (08:53 AM) Buffy_04364: like the setup windows for tactrade (08:53 AM) Buffy_04364: no he isn't (08:54 AM) cheetah55: How many types of setups is he using, or are they all based on the same setup? (08:54 AM) cheetah55: Doesn't look like all one setup Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (08:54 AM) Buffy_04364: all one (08:54 AM) cheetah55: I would guess two different setups (08:54 AM) Buffy_04364: 2 rules (08:54 AM) Buffy_04364: is all he will say (08:55 AM) cheetah55: 2 rules....hmmmm (08:55 AM) Buffy_04364: he wouldn't even answer if all info need was on the chart but I really think it is (08:55 AM) Buffy_04364: so most probably based on pyrapoint (08:55 AM) Buffy_04364: and I haven't read that far into the book yet (08:55 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (08:56 AM) cheetah55: I think I see what he is doing (08:56 AM) cheetah55: Not reallty based on pyrapoint from what I can tell (08:57 AM) cheetah55: Might be partially, but the real signal is based on something else (08:57 AM) cheetah55: At least from the 8/28 charts (08:58 AM) cheetah55: I will check the other charts again and see if my hypothesis still works (08:59 AM) Daniel X: i saw adjacent channel swings (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: ready for me to try again or is there no bailout for today Dave? (09:00 AM) Buffy_04364: can anyone post or is it me? (09:01 AM) cheetah55: I think I have howard's system figured out 90%. (09:02 AM) Buffy_04364: and......... (09:02 AM) cheetah55: There are a couple of signsls that don't quite work because I think there is a factor of flexibility built in (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: only 2 rules (09:03 AM) cheetah55: But I got a good idea of what he is doing (09:03 AM) cheetah55: I am not 100% sure, but close (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: I have come up with a few of those but they don't work for all of his SAR signals (09:03 AM) Buffy_04364: ditto cheetah (09:03 AM) cheetah55: For fun, I will post what bar I think his signals are occurring (09:04 AM) cheetah55: As they occur (09:04 AM) Buffy_04364: yahoo it posted (09:05 AM) cheetah55: If I am right, it is too simple to use all the time, but is great in trends. (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: Good job Dave (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: Daniel the chart is up that I was trying to post last night (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: it is the 5M and 15M wiht TL (09:06 AM) cheetah55: buffy, do u think he is using the pyrapoint in the signals? (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: yes (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: and the square within a square (09:06 AM) cheetah55: hmmm, I dont....interesting! (09:06 AM) cheetah55: I think the pyra is involved but not the real signal (09:07 AM) rs_5: good trading all :) (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: it surprises me because pyra is anchored per the individual (09:07 AM) Daniel X: Thnx Buffy (09:07 AM) Buffy_04364: seriously let us know how much it would cost to get more room (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard uses the posting ability to solve problems in his support room also (09:08 AM) Gorillatrader: good morning everbody (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: morning GT (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard should be stopping in sometime today to let us know what the class is going to be on tonight (09:10 AM) Daniel X: Buffy which chart? (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: the only one I have up there (09:11 AM) tomsurf: good morning all (09:11 AM) Daniel X: thnx (09:11 AM) Buffy_04364: it says 5M but 15M is also there (09:11 AM) tomsurf: welcome back dave- hope you had a great vacation! (09:12 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, tom, ya still recovering (09:12 AM) Daniel X: sorry wrong day! (09:13 AM) Tom_B: nothing like recovering frm a "vacation", lol (09:13 AM) tomsurf: no, all is fine...taking this week off though...sorta, lol (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: just like Mike (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:13 AM) Buffy_04364: it is a good thing once in a while (09:13 AM) tomsurf: :-) (09:14 AM) tomsurf: ya I tend to never do it and I need to more often. (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: we all do tom (09:14 AM) tomsurf: learning that ;-) (09:14 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, it's good to go to the mountain once in a while (09:14 AM) Buffy_04364: open still not going to be above the triangle TL yet (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: so are we using the 9/3 for the open? (09:15 AM) Buffy_04364: for retro (09:16 AM) Daniel X: i am (09:17 AM) dave_b_quick: trend off 3, entry off 9? (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: k (09:17 AM) Daniel X: book early profit (09:17 AM) Daniel X: prime the pump (09:17 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL (09:17 AM) Buffy_04364: entry off 9 and use the 3 like the 5 for retro (09:18 AM) jimbo_320: morning group :-) (09:18 AM) Buffy_04364: morning Jimbo (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: Dave - Jimbo plays a cool guitar (09:19 AM) Buffy_04364: when are the GDP figures out? (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: he entertained us fed day (09:20 AM) Tom_B: out (09:20 AM) jimbo_320: dave have a good trip? (09:21 AM) Tom_B: Buff, mkt went frm appx -12 to +10... (09:21 AM) dave_b_quick: ya jimbo, still licking my wounds (09:22 AM) jimbo_320: whats up? run into a grizzly bear (09:23 AM) tomsurf: Buffy- GDP is out and not the negative the market priced in so that's why futures rebounded I guess (09:24 AM) thoff: Good Morning everyone :) (09:24 AM) tomsurf: revised from .7 to .2 (09:24 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL, no, just the usual mountain climbing, canoeing, rollerblading that i don't get around to except once a year (09:24 AM) elly_34: good mornig (09:24 AM) tomsurf: dave- LOL Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (09:24 AM) dave_b_quick: GM elly (09:25 AM) jimbo_320: looks like todays high is in already (09:25 AM) Orprepus: Good Morning & Welcome back dave (09:25 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, good to be back (09:25 AM) Gorillatrader: hi dave (09:26 AM) dave_b_quick: GT, long time no see (09:26 AM) Gorillatrader: you did nice job on Retro (09:26 AM) jimbo_320: tomsurf 0.2% growth the figures? (09:26 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, lotta catching up to do after a week off (09:26 AM) tomsurf: jimbo- yes that was the revision (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks tom (09:26 AM) ispecjh_1: hi Dave, good to have you back! (09:27 AM) Gorillatrader: good discussions here, questions and suggestions to research (09:27 AM) elly_34: dave! nice to see you (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: I think that is the biggest change Dave will see - retro discussion is now in the room (09:28 AM) dave_b_quick: likewise, elly (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: Morning elly (09:29 AM) cctraderx: morning all, welcome back DAVE!!! (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: GSD noticed you took the short off the 1145 bar too (09:29 AM) elly_34: hi buffy (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: Hi CC (09:29 AM) jimbo_320: dave, got +15.5 thanks to retro yesterday.... (09:29 AM) cctraderx: hi Buffy (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: nice jimbo (09:30 AM) dave_b_quick: i'm glad Retro has provoked discussion, and i hope it will help somebody besides just me (09:30 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo really!!! (09:30 AM) Daniel X: great on NQ? (09:30 AM) tomsurf: rumor is, business week wants to put retro trader on the cover...what does that dude look like, ;-) (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: it is Dave (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: it is (09:30 AM) Daniel X: go to the link (09:30 AM) Tom_B: there's a photo (09:31 AM) Daniel X: Tomsurf (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: that was a great picture that was posted (09:31 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL, somewhere between Alfred E. Newman, Howdy Doody, and Chuck Norris (09:31 AM) tomsurf: Daniel- just kidding ;-) (09:31 AM) Daniel X: GSD what day was it? (09:31 AM) Daniel X: no im serious (09:31 AM) Daniel X: dave check it out (09:31 AM) Daniel X: seriously (09:32 AM) dave_b_quick: Ya, i like the RET dude GSD (09:32 AM) tomsurf: ok (09:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: http://www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/charts/2001-08-27/GSDRETPIC11.gif (09:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: retro's pic is here: (09:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: thought it was about right (09:32 AM) Daniel X: is to me! (09:32 AM) Buffy_04364: I love it (09:33 AM) tomsurf: great pic. of Retro! lol (09:33 AM) Buffy_04364: should be the icon for retro? (09:33 AM) dave_b_quick: did you make it yrself, GSD? (09:34 AM) gravestonedoggie: no.. given to me by a now defunct software company 12 or 13 years ago (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra (09:35 AM) joeblue: Good morning. (09:35 AM) dave_b_quick: gm (09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: Oh read last night those time lines cause change of trend 85% of the time (09:35 AM) jimbo_320: wasnt netscape was it? (09:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: no.. hehe (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: everyone - joeblue found the room last night and Daniel and I talked with him and tang for quite a while (09:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: advanced computer techniques was company (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: welcome joeblue (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: You found us looking for an ensign user group right Joeblue? (09:37 AM) tomsurf: welcome joe (09:38 AM) joeblue: Yes (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: glad to have you join us and hope you enjoy the room (09:39 AM) joeblue: Thx (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: feel free to ask any questions (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: someone should be able to answer you Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a (09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: great! (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: I know it was late when we all broke up (09:41 AM) joeblue: I'm an hour behind you though. (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok that helped (09:41 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:41 AM) jimbo_320: looks like the market think 0.2% is about as close to zero as you can get (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: so retro short at 1535 off 9M right? (09:42 AM) cheetah55: buffy, please post when u get a "Howard" signal. (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: ok will do (09:42 AM) cheetah55: will do same (09:42 AM) cheetah55: shuld be flat now (09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: he wont be on for a while though (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: Daniel how are you handling the stop for retro (09:43 AM) Daniel X: damn....i missed!!!ggrr (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: me too if it makes you feel better (09:43 AM) cheetah55: buffy, that's ok, we can still see if either of us really has a clue as to his method (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: 75% of long bar should work (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: R1 is at 50% (09:44 AM) Gorillatrader: 7min has one short 1540 low of the0933 bar (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: R2 at top (09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: tks GT *I got kicked off paltalk and lost some transcript* Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a Buffy_04364: no chart yet Howard? :-( ppusa: will the nas ever bottom? gravestonedoggie: bkx breakin down big dave_b_quick: i hear ya now Buffy_04364: failed test of last swing high rambler_12: thx T Ensign Software: Teresa, tell your room my training class is today at 3:30 tomsurf: Thank you T!!! dave_b_quick: thanks, Teresa Buffy_04364: did T talk and I can't hear? Buffy_04364: what are all the thanks about Tom_B: next retro sell ? Ensign Software: we heard, you didn't Buffy Tom_B: y, free day nxt Tues rambler_12: u cant hear buffy Buffy_04364: ok great you can hear me but I can't hear you Buffy_04364: love it Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! Tom_B: Retro sell 1503 ? Ensign Software: pop out and back and restore sound jimmer49: Just chit chat Buffy, you didn't miss anything Buffy_04364: ok Buffy_04364: well glad T dropped in for sure jimbo_320: 1504 i think Buffy_04364: you are welcome to do so anytime Teresa Buffy_04364: oh she is gone Buffy_04364: oh well tomsurf: T&V, free open next Tues. and Mike the same on Weds. Buffy_04364: she knows it anyway I hope Buffy_04364: and she gave the password tang: any one speak on the mic.? Tom_B: David does 1-2-3 on 5m need confirm ?, which entry price plse.. tomsurf: she said thx for the invite over hear and for keeping it all going. Buffy_04364: yes many did tang jimbo_320: 3rd es low test Buffy_04364: :-) tang: i lost voice. Buffy_04364: have you done your settings in paltalk tang Tom_B: close & restart Buffy_04364: although you could hear last night right? gravestonedoggie: dow nearing 10k tang: where is the traing class take place tang: yes buffy Buffy_04364: in the ensign windows users group Buffy_04364: room Buffy_04364: you will see it listed tang: ok. at 330 Daniel X: i think we have almost all of T-Lo's and Mike's customers in here!!lol Ensign Software: Ensign's class in the Ensign Windows Users room at 3:30 Buffy_04364: so we both need to reboot Daniel X: sssshhhh tang: eastern time? Buffy_04364: no Buffy_04364: 4:30 EST Tom_B: i didn't hear so I closed & reopnd PTlk, was ok then tang: ok 1:30 of my time Buffy_04364: yep silly paltalk Ensign Software: central, right after S&P close tang: hi ensign Ensign Software: hi Buffy_04364: is it on the ticki? Buffy_04364: tang might be your next customer Howard Ensign Software: but need to go bye and get back to my own room Ensign Software: if tang needs help, I will be in the Ensign room Buffy_04364: and do a chart? LOL Ensign Software: just dropped in for a quick listen to T-Lo tang: ok thanx howard donsuelo: I missed the password......Can anyone provide it? (She did give it over audio)? Buffy_04364: no sign up for it Buffy_04364: ispec ppusa: Howard, I have a question. Can I save differenttemplates to different windows Buffy_04364: is the pass word donsuelo: Thanks tang: now tang: ok brb jimbo_320: coiling up rambler_12: shhh Buffy_04364: tks Buffy_04364: it works dave_b_quick: where? coyote_4: coyote_4 = Jr Steggy coyote_4: proptrader demo tomorrow 3:45 central room proptrader dave_b_quick: here on paltalk, right? coyote_4: to down load demo go to www.proedgeonline.com gravestonedoggie: why not jsut turn the room into a promotioamnl center to go along with the paltak banners??? hill_23: stock or futures Daniel X: tocks? Daniel X: stocks? coyote_4: broker Jr Stegmueller coyote_4: futures Daniel X: ok dave_b_quick: has anybody tried the proptrader platform? coyote_4: trading platform pats system jimbo_320: is this move ever going to happen... tang: what is trader coffee shop gravestonedoggie: i can round up some more vendors to come and pitch.. what do you think??? we could ahve pitches all day long Buffy_04364: more graduates of Teresa and Mike I thik Buffy_04364: LOL GSD Tom_B: does retro sell move up to 1507 ? tang: ok Buffy_04364: somone just might be interested - never know gravestonedoggie: wouldn't that be great??? isn't that what we created the room for? to have vendors comes and advertise to su?? Buffy_04364: at least it isn't pills, rugs and some other weird things people dropping in have promoted gravestonedoggie: what's the difference?? tang: would 1514 break out qualify a 123 on 5 min Tom_B: need a rug gravestonedoggie: come on Buffy_04364: take it easy GSD Buffy_04364: not something we would let happen all the time Buffy_04364: :-) gravestonedoggie: why encourage it? Buffy_04364: :-( hill_23: im looking cause IB screwed themselves upgrading..the original platform was the best. they must have hired some goofball sunw people that convinced em to go java :( gravestonedoggie: :_) :-) :-) :-) qclaire: Buffy: what is retro wrt. to emini trading gravestonedoggie: agree hill Buffy_04364: many agree with you hill ppusa: hey coyote. Is proptrader different than pats? gravestonedoggie: but you can find the vendors elsewhere Buffy_04364: plse type coyote gravestonedoggie: once you encourage them, they will flock here tang: thanx dan for the advise coyote_4: its a pats system Buffy_04364: no they won't larrybf: you need 256 mg of ram for patsystem. system sounds like a dud coyote_4: they have difrent platforms this is one of them Buffy_04364: and you get to hear others opinions that may have tried it Buffy_04364: not just the sales pitch ppusa: a breakk of this 15 min bar gave good signals the last time nq had this pattern. 1st break was a dud last time and this tiime tang: dan, i can't sent msg on the private chattt gravestonedoggie: have a separate room for it then Daniel X: really why Daniel X: type in bottom Tom_B: retro take sbkout of this bar either way ? gravestonedoggie: if that is how want to spend the dday tang: you need to add me on buddy list dave_b_quick: ya, Tom Tom_B: tnx coyote_4: what i will do with the demo is show you our system proptrader and go over everything it has to offer if you have an option of it the floor is yours i am here on paltalk everyday and have nothing to hide ppusa: Dan you asking me? dave_b_quick: it's a triangle breakout, so could be a fake Daniel X: clic here >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on my name TANG cheetah55: coyote_4 has been bounced from the group Buffy_04364: ok so interested ones can go if they want Daniel X: PPUSA ? tang: dan u on my buddy list Buffy_04364: might be a good idea for a discussion after market closes? jimbo_320: retro buys 14? gravestonedoggie: thanks cheetah for injecting some sense Daniel X: type in bottom and send cheetah55: hammer time dave_b_quick: daniel, i think you have paltalk set to only accept PM's from people on yr buddy list tang: ok dan gravestonedoggie: ty cheetah!! tang: what is possible long here Daniel X: ok will try ppusa: I was wondering if you had asked me a question? cheetah55: don't @#^% with me !! gravestonedoggie: nice! Buffy_04364: gee, I don't see many retro questions with dave back ppusa: what is a retracement bar? dave_b_quick: LOL everybody musta figured something out LB20: go gett'um tiger oops I mean cheetah! LOL gravestonedoggie: questions are logged on site, dave dave_b_quick: ppusa, upbar in downtrend or downbar in uptrend Buffy_04364: must of ppusa: thanks, that's what i thought donsuelo: What is an upbar? ...downbar? ppusa: up bar higher high higher low dave_b_quick: upbar = higher hi, higher lo than previous bar donsuelo: Thanks for the clarify cheetah55: howard, your experimental system long on NQ now? ppusa: this could be the highest nq will go before another leg down. ppusa: anybody have an opinion? Tom_B: y, poss 2B ? ppusa: my PnF says be careful ppusa: i guess the thing to do is wait for the confirmation Buffy_04364: yes tough to have opinion here hill_23: gravestone what was your handle at ispec Ensign Software: hi, if tactrade shows up, tell him I am looking for him. thanks Daniel X: PPUSA imo long with DOW in the toilet....hhmmmmm gravestonedoggie: tyger ppusa: dan explain? Daniel X: DOW is in terrible shape longs against it usually are asking for trouble no? Buffy_04364: tks Buffy_04364: will do howard hill_23: ok.thought you were someone else gravestonedoggie: hill.. have you made ib aware of your issues with java tws and the fact that they will lose you as a customer? gravestonedoggie: ib management, that is Buffy_04364: time line again Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Tom_B: retro shrt 1508 gravestonedoggie: thnx tom Tom_B: i hope :9 Tom_B: :( Daniel X: waitng for swing low to go @1503.50 Buffy_04364: that is my target about Daniel X: aaahhh good cheetah55: what was hill's prob with IB? ppusa: although my 25 PnF said be careful, I don't think nq has satisfactorily retested the lod. So i sold Daniel X: ditto PPUSA gravestonedoggie: dislikes tws 4 vs tws 3 ppusa: sit down folks but i actually have a profitable position and can run a stop Daniel X: im after the whole middle not so much the top or bottom cheetah55: gsd, ok. Wonder why Buffy_04364: LOL ppusa Buffy_04364: BTDT Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M hill_23: you mean you can get IB management to talk too...seems the more they upgrade the worse their performance. help chat is useless Tom_B: this is the critical momennt cheetah55: My interpretation (guess) at Howard's system is now short. dave_b_quick: is it based on a PP rule? cheetah55: + 16 or 17 on the day Tom_B: let the selling commence cheetah55: Not my interpretation ppusa: that 15 minute chart bs was a 123 Tom_B: ?, me gravestonedoggie: hill... i think you can email ib management.. i have in the past and have gottne responses cheetah55: You gotta figure though that even when choppy it dosn't seem to lose much Tom_B: ppusa, was that to me / gravestonedoggie: personally, i agree with you on tws4 vs tws3, but what specifically do you ahve a problem with on tws 4? Buffy_04364: 1493-1494? Daniel X: i wanted 03 Buffy_04364: we got that Buffy_04364: next is Buffy_04364: ? ppusa: covered hill_23: thx i'll try that jimbo_320: selling started at 1pm exactly ppusa: no Tom, not to you if you meant my 15 minute remark. Meant for GPublic Buffy_04364: tagged the diagonal on pyra Buffy_04364: love it Daniel X: 93.50 Daniel X: i guess hill_23: seems my order gets stuck in limbo....cant cancel and dont have confirmation its executed ppusa: now this is a retest mike_bruns: hill is that with IB? hill_23: yes mike_bruns: I had that problem too. mike_bruns: finally upgraded t olatest version and so far, OK. hill_23: im done upgrading lol...just going to leave them mike_bruns: I was there too. mike_bruns: They are still the least reliable for me. gravestonedoggie: i still using v3, hill, so interested in hearing gravestonedoggie: why least reliable, mike? mike_bruns: They kept logging me in and out this AM. gravestonedoggie: really mike_bruns: ANd then the logs just failed after like 25 attempts. mike_bruns: So I shut them off. gravestonedoggie: geez cheetah55: I had problems getting on with IB also until I put in a new NIC card they recommended jimmer49: i had that trouble yesterday with IB, but it was @home's fault not IB cheetah55: NIC card is redundant I guess mike_bruns: Some days, no problem. Buffy_04364: no problems with best :-) cheetah55: More likely an internet problem since many have no problems at all I would have to think. cheetah55: I have had no problems with IB in many months Buffy_04364: you still have best Mike Buffy_04364: sounds like Qcharts LOL mike_bruns: Yes. mike_bruns: Kicker is I have another broker on line and the ystay on. Buffy_04364: what a week this has been! mike_bruns: So, technology. mike_bruns: HAs been a great week. Buffy_04364: yes look at my sound card problems for one Buffy_04364: hopefully tonight it will be working but the router going in anyway Tom_B: retro stp ? Buffy_04364: following rules better now Mike Buffy_04364: sure makes a difference Buffy_04364: LOL mike_bruns: I actually do better myself too. Buffy_04364: your comments about lower TF helped Buffy_04364: gotta stay away from it Buffy_04364: and keep drawing my TL jimbo_320: nice looking 2B if it holds Buffy_04364: 123 didn't poke through right? Buffy_04364: 2B needs to take out previous high/low then reverse Buffy_04364: If I get the card working tonight Mike will see you next week Buffy_04364: Teresa too Buffy_04364: Dave - where retro stop tom is asking Buffy_04364: Daniel??? mike_bruns: T and V are a good combination. dave_b_quick: oh, retro SL 1511 Buffy_04364: not sure with 123 tom Buffy_04364: sorry Buffy_04364: thanks mike_bruns: V is excellent teacher. Buffy_04364: now is it a 13 or 2B according to retro ppusa: we held low on retest which means only one thing Buffy_04364: 13=123 mike_bruns: Her 20 years experience shows. Buffy_04364: I bet it does Buffy_04364: looking forward to getting over there Buffy_04364: her final price isn't bad for all day 5 days either mike_bruns: What is the final price? dave_b_quick: Actually if i wasn't on the phone retro probably should have read the 1310 bar as a higher low and been out at 1504 Buffy_04364: now we are on same wavelength dave LOL jimbo_320: es bounced right of 1152 Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Tom_B: don't get it, how do u evr get a retrace for a swing ? Buffy_04364: anyone looking for a short? ppusa: i am looking for a long confirm if we break 10.5 Daniel X: 10.50 dave_b_quick: Tom, since we're trading inside a triangle, retro uses any excuse to get out (tight stops), when a trend develops, i'm gonna add a rule for wider stops Daniel X: ? Daniel X: PPUSA 15 looks like the # Daniel X: to me ppusa: retested and held Daniel X: on PnF ppusa: cross fingers Daniel X: ha ha h a ppusa: (trading term) ppusa: break 15 area is a break of ma's Buffy_04364: tks all for opinions ppusa: flat...maybe next bar or? donsuelo: ppusa ...besides 20, what ma's are you using/ ppusa: some shorter, some longer inc 50 and 200 but the 20 is the one to go on the 15 minute if we go through 15 area ppusa: this is painful i am still undecided on long or short donsuelo: Thanks, I'm learning Buffy_04364: we all learn something in here - love it tang: same here, ppusa ppusa: whip whip today Buffy_04364: yep but not getting me today! :-) Daniel X: PPUSA turn your monitors upside down and follow the direction after it happens! Buffy_04364: LOL Buffy_04364: lower high here ppusa: better to stand on head Daniel X: yah yes cables Buffy_04364: :-) Buffy_04364: and you get your stress reduction laughs to boot! jimbo_320: none of that kinky stuff here thankyou ppusa: sitting on top of some ma's. flip a coin. i thnk up donsuelo: Viewing monitor in mirror seems simplest ppusa: break above 15 looks pretty good here as a good signal. anyone differ? tang: bullish engulf on 15 min jimbo_320: tick +462 Buffy_04364: tks jimbo jimbo_320: in a uptrend at mo Daniel X: any long takers? Daniel X: 17.50 mike_bruns: 1154. ppusa: here jimbo_320: 1156 is es 100 ema ppusa: am Tom_B: retro @ 1511 mike_bruns: take one off at upper BB and move stop loss to b/e and let other run. Buffy_04364: time line coming up in pyra ppusa: all charts look good to me if we go Buffy_04364: tks ppusa jimbo_320: 1530? ppusa: think it will run the rail on 5 min BB because 15 min BB much higher mike_bruns: Sorry 300tick chart and 56.25 was first one off. Buffy_04364: np Mike mike_bruns: BB Pinball in play now Buffy_04364: LOL Buffy_04364: I remember those fondly Ensign Software: Hi, Today's training class will be a bit different. We have a guest speaker today. Barry Lutz will share his expertice in setting up $TICKI on charts, how TICKI is used in trading, comparision with PREM and other indicators, etc. Please join us and Barry in the Ensign Windows Users room at 3:30 Central today for some great training and insight on understanding $TICKI Buffy_04364: thanks howard Gorillatrader: Mike, look at Dec Beans Buffy_04364: he sure posted some nice charts today mike_bruns: GT I did mike_bruns: I should have been there too. The daily chart said to go long. mike_bruns: November tang: sure howard Gorillatrader: yes, nov "SX" mike_bruns: I do it all the time. Only contract not December Gorillatrader: yep, I know better, just experienced a "Senior Moment" Ensign Software: Buffy, can you make the announcement and invitation in T-Lo's room? Thanks if you can, and would you invite this room again near market close to follow you on over to Ensign's room. mike_bruns: Not you! Young duffer. Gorillatrader: lol Gorillatrader: LCZ bouncing off support, not in it Buffy_04364: sure Howard Buffy_04364: now we get a chart? LOL jimbo_320: nq out long be Buffy_04364: Mike you want your room announced too? mike_bruns: ? jimbo_320: still stuck in this damn chop tang: hi mike mike_bruns: My room is nonexistent as I am on vacation. Buffy_04364: Howard just asked me to announce T's free room on tues tang: be jointing you thur mike_bruns: Oh, OK. Buffy_04364: you want your room announce for Weds? mike_bruns: WE are doing freedays next week. Buffy_04364: ok will do Buffy_04364: yes you are LOL mike_bruns: The 5th is full. mike_bruns: the 6th is not. Buffy_04364: is that a free day also for you? Ensign Software: no, buffy, I asked you to announce my training class today on $TICKI in the T-Lo room so they feel welcome to get the training. I do not have access to the room to make the announcement myself. Buffy_04364: oh ok mike_bruns: Each of my days next week are free. mike_bruns: SHort week. Buffy_04364: will take care of it howard Buffy_04364: ok Mike Ensign Software: ok, thanks. Ensign Software: bye mike_bruns: GT LHV1 was a buy today at 5720 mike_bruns: I missed it as I was in the SP short all the way down. mike_bruns: Rather, most of the way. mike_bruns: Hogs would have been worth $350 per contract today. Gorillatrader: nice Mike, wasn't folowing. Usually light volume Tom_B: is retro sell 1496.5 ? mike_bruns: Hog vol is fine. Gorillatrader: LH/LC all bouncing off Daily/Weekly support Gorillatrader: ok, have never traded it Gorillatrader: LC yes Buffy_04364: love that time line mike_bruns: Volume is light in Feeder Cattle nad Pork Bellies. mike_bruns: Never fear Live Cattle and Lean Hogs. Gorillatrader: yes, thx Gorillatrader: LC is fine...agree Buffy_04364: just posted 4M pyra Buffy_04364: tactrade has some nice charts up to talk about tonight mike_bruns: Second ES 300T buy setup in 3 hrs just now. Buffy_04364: Mike have you looked at them? tactrade.com-3 mike_bruns: No mike_bruns: Do not surf the web Buffy_04364: they are posted at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com Buffy_04364: where the whole room looks at them mike_bruns: Oh. Buffy_04364: he is the guest speaker tonight Howard was talking about mike_bruns: Those arevery good. Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! mike_bruns: fvery very good. Buffy_04364: yes he has been posting charts on and off - looking forward to hearing him Buffy_04364: tonight mike_bruns: I can't go to class tonight as I take Leia to tap/ballet right afterthe markets close on Wed. Buffy_04364: has his own chatroom too I think Buffy_04364: can send you script if you want from the class mike_bruns: That would be great. Thank you. Daniel X: hihger low here Daniel X: 5 min Buffy_04364: will do mike_bruns: ES 300T just entering the buy zone now. mike_bruns: MArginal setup so caution Buffy_04364: what he does works when a really looked at it a couple of weeks ago Buffy_04364: walking down the diagonal in pyra mike_bruns: looks like he keeps it simple too. So importamt. ppusa: nq didn't make a new high somarginal there too. Buffy_04364: yes it is ppusa Buffy_04364: stop is tight ppusa: however Buffy_04364: yes....... Daniel X: has to move now ppusa: maybe tomorrow's high on nq will be 1525 area then sell off. that would satisfy my charts jimbo_320: 1152 has had 3 high volume bounces today ppusa: then this whole pattern would be one bigger flag Buffy_04364: out Tom_B: hit some selling ppusa: hit overhead ma's again and fell like a Tom_B: whr is retro sell now ? dave_b_quick: retro flat 'til 5m breakout Tom_B: 1500 ? ppusa: i could hit any button blindfolded and if i waited until the right moment to cover i would have a profit cheetah55: has anyone here checked out the tactrade.com site? Buffy_04364: just posted 15M Buffy_04364: yes dave_b_quick: ya, cheetah, looks interesting Buffy_04364: I have cheetah cheetah55: What a riot...he had me thinking he was one of those scammers at first ! Buffy_04364: tactrade? Buffy_04364: we do emails cheetah55: I was thinking..."I can't believe Howard wants this guy at his chat". Buffy_04364: trust me you can learn a lot from him tang: buffy i check out the tactrade cheetah55: I am sure...I am just referring to the first part of his web page about making millions trading ...... Buffy_04364: he will be at the ensign class tonight Buffy_04364: oh ok cheetah55: then he pretty much says all those clains from others are B/S. Buffy_04364: he got my stamp of approval when Howard posted his website Buffy_04364: Howard is very careful about that Buffy_04364: but also checked out his website Buffy_04364: and as I said we did emails cheetah55: Right, that is why I though it was weird when I read the first part of his site. Buffy_04364: yep agree Buffy_04364: I was surprised by it also Buffy_04364: that is when I dug into the charts he had posted though mike_bruns: But it got your attention didn't it!? Buffy_04364: true Mike Buffy_04364: made me go look at what he had been postign for sure mike_bruns: Mission accomplished! Buffy_04364: I can follow his logic too Tom_B: es likes 1152.5 gravestonedoggie: tactrade.. barry.. no? gravestonedoggie: yes, is barry Buffy_04364: yes tomsurf: Tom_B- have you tried retro w/the ES? Tom_B: no Tom_B: i think elly has gravestonedoggie: has some proprietary thing he uses for day trades.. forget how it goes gravestonedoggie: think it is coded in TS ppusa: oh look, another bounce...right at ma's again tomsurf: Oh, ok. Just wondering if anyone has and what they think. Daniel X: Train ride anyone? donsuelo: I know this is not the rooms focus,but is there any indication that the retro rules of entry and exit can be applied to longer time frames, possibly using daily for entry, and 2 hour for exit?(perhaps on ETF's) Tom_B: retro buy 1514 ? Buffy_04364: we haven't tried it to my knowledge donsuelo Buffy_04364: if you do let us know how it works out ppusa: retro jacked on every break. mike_bruns: I think I may take off every eight weeks and vacation in here for a week. ppusa: does that mean the next one will be good? gravestonedoggie: used to a system marketed by babcock for dailies on commodities... used swing low/high entry.. much like rero.. but no inside bar stuff Buffy_04364: we would love that Mike ppusa: let's all take our notebooks to the beach with wireless modems and do this right Buffy_04364: LOL Gorillatrader: second that Buffy_04364: SRL - stress reduction laugh ppusa: day like today i am embarrassed to say i even watched this Buffy_04364: why watching is what most of the day is for me anyway Buffy_04364: waiting for setups Buffy_04364: that is what makes this room so great - waiting is easier ppusa: yes but every setup i've seen turned into a flop Buffy_04364: tactrade just posted the setup windows for ensign Buffy_04364: there are days like that ppusa ppusa: to many retro traders today Tom_B: is retro sell 1500 or lower ? Tom_B: 96.5 ? Daniel X: both Daniel X: lol Daniel X: chop chop Tom_B: retro doesn't like chop but out of chop comes trend, imho Daniel X: pick a # ppusa: inside bar break sell 1.5? dave_b_quick: tom, retro has to wait for 5m breakout, then see what the 15m trigger will be Buffy_04364: break of inside bar yes amer_68: Paltalk keeps coming down onto my charts. Any way to stop that? Tom_B: es ggoing south Buffy_04364: tks dave Tom_B: rush to the stage .. Tom_B: gsd...:) mike_bruns: Reading TACTRADE website, I like his philosophy. Buffy_04364: yes I did too Mike mike_bruns: Some trades re called but his purpose in there is to teach one how he trades. Buffy_04364: uncheck always on top amer? gravestonedoggie: barry smart guy, down to earth, no bs amer_68: Tks, Buffy. Buffy_04364: yep and then you can do what you want with it Buffy_04364: always will to answer ?'s too Buffy_04364: will=willing Daniel X: chop chop chop paths: 300T, is that a 5 minute time frame mike? amer_68: Just arrived for the day. Has there been any further talk about Howards system? Buffy_04364: no and we can't get a chart from him either Daniel X: save the big boys Buffy_04364: I have been trying mike_bruns: Right now, the 300T is running 6-9M on my chart. Daniel X: artificially keeping this up amer_68: Except for a little chop yesterday it looked prety good. Daniel X: Train right on time Daniel X: lets see mike_bruns: The ES 300T buy setup has yet to trigger until maybe this bar under construction now. mike_bruns: Long wait so far. paths: ok, what is a 300T setup, is it a pattern? Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. mike_bruns: can you hear me? rambler_12: hear u fine Buffy_04364: drat I can't paths: just put my headphones on now, tick charts paths: ok tang: are u in speak mike? mike_bruns: I am done now. tang: ok. mike_bruns: Just explaining Acronym 300T tang: refresh. tang: i can't hear. brb mike_bruns: Like 15M = 15 minutes jimbo_320: anyone think up? mike_bruns: 300T = 300 Tick chart. rambler_12: thx mike_bruns: Nq has achieved 112 of the expected 140 points this week. mike_bruns: Es 38 of the 41 mike_bruns: So..... rambler_12: i predict 2000 nas by the year 2025 dave_b_quick: a true seer mike_bruns: Here comes you up! ppusa: yea so now what? ppusa: i am passed being bored Daniel X: Train ride Buffy_04364: voice check please Buffy_04364: sound check jimbo_320: its my psychic side... :-) Buffy_04364: tks Buffy_04364: heard you fine now Buffy_04364: guess Howard is not doing the charts anymore tang: i hear you Buffy_04364: Mike hope you are here someday when Jimbo plays his guitar Daniel X: 1512 pivot points1 Daniel X: support 1 Daniel X: so..res... Buffy_04364: we can't figure out how he does it and still holds down the ctrl key LOL Buffy_04364: tks jimbo GGriz: hey hey long fingers mike_bruns: I have read that is the hardest instrument to learn. gravestonedoggie: (roar from the crowd) jimbo_320: buffy sorry but couldnt resist amer_68: Buffy: He might have been on to a good thing and people like me were trying to reverse engineer it. Kinda don't blame him. Daniel X: Buffy there's a hands free mic option on Platalk mike_bruns: That's applause jimbo_320: keeps me off the buy sell buttons :-) gravestonedoggie: (one hand clapping) ppusa: nq broke ma's on 5 and 15 ppusa: and 30 Buffy_04364: he felt he was taking time away from retro and it isn't ready yet GGriz: Jimbo I showed up for the audition, but the drummer got locked in the van jimbo_320: sorry but theres some guy called larry booked for the gig, next time maybe Buffy_04364: :-) amer_68: Think he needed a screen for the chop periods. Buffy_04364: maybe amer Daniel X: be careful of a one hand clapping sound.....what is he clapping against! Buffy_04364: I know he didn't like the number of trades yesterday Buffy_04364: 13 was too high in his book gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: larry is in charge of drums and stochastics Buffy_04364: :-) Buffy_04364: and I still don't know what setting he is using for them :-) jimbo_320: hehe amer_68: I put a stoch screen on his trades and instead of staying in just being out would have been a better option for some of his longs. gravestonedoggie: is that another non g rated thing? Daniel X: maybe gravestonedoggie: hehe jimbo_320: trading could be REALLY boring if it wasnt for this room Buffy_04364: agree!!! mike_bruns: Trding partner(s) are important. Tom_B: will the real trnd plse stnd up.. gravestonedoggie: hehe mike_bruns: It is only it fell down. Buffy_04364: LOL mike_bruns: i.e. flat Tom_B: body surfing donsuelo: I've played both stochastics and drums and some days drums were more profitable gravestonedoggie: hehe Buffy_04364: :-) Daniel X: piercing gravestonedoggie: not too many groupies in the stochastics business Buffy_04364: poke bar fake out Tom_B: this cud be the big Cahuna :) amer_68: Mike: you prefer constant tick over constant time, reason, please? mike_bruns: this is brutal in here. Glad I am sitting this out at the moment. gravestonedoggie: amer, consider overnight Daniel X: GSD not true...Stuck ass ticks gravestonedoggie: a minute bassed chart is meaningless gravestonedoggie: a tick chart shows you what happeing mike_bruns: true orde flow gravestonedoggie: lol, daniel mike_bruns: I use both and there are pros and cons with both. gravestonedoggie: montreal a great city Daniel X: still lol ppusa: no one cares what time they bot or sold, just at what price amer_68: gsd: howard's argument for 4 min = 1 degree of earth spin apeals to my mystic nature. gravestonedoggie: ok... Daniel X: yah it is GSD gravestonedoggie: never thought of it like that mike_bruns: 4M has been a good TF for as long as I have trades. gravestonedoggie: my head spinning now mike_bruns: I used to use 4, 8 12 a lot. gravestonedoggie: maybe a degree or tow amer_68: But could easily be convinced of constant # tradeds. gravestonedoggie: two gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: juz kidding Tom_B: spitting pea soup here gravestonedoggie: ew mike_bruns: Example, if you can hear this. gravestonedoggie: thnx for sharing that, tom Tom_B: sry gravestonedoggie: hehe Tom_B: got carried away gravestonedoggie: trading heavy at the bars Tom_B: back in triangle Daniel X: yes and in chop zone gravestonedoggie: ticks me of that i dont have that kind of chart gravestonedoggie: off Tom_B: i've got a sell order in , just in case... somebody is left in the pit rambler_12: thx mike Daniel X: what kind? gravestonedoggie: tick gravestonedoggie: ticked off gravestonedoggie: oh boy paths: thanks, you posted an example Mike, is that at ottographs, I'll look. Daniel X: oh i have them but....... mike_bruns: ALst week, called the floor and asked if it was just the locals playing? Tom_B: false bkout to upside...path shd be south ? jimbo_320: is that the nyse tick mike mike_bruns: The answer was (true)," it's less than the locals" mike_bruns: More volume this week but still off. Daniel X: so the train today gave a max of 15 points not bad mike_bruns: tick charts are not the NYSE tick charts jimbo_320: es lod Tom_B: es...ouch mike_bruns: those are different. mike_bruns: these are number of transactions per bar. Buffy_04364: you can get them in ensign by setting up a -300 gravestonedoggie: i had them, then got trend lyme disease Tom_B: c'mon nq Buffy_04364: qcharts doesn't have them mike_bruns: Like in tactrades charts posted, his 120 tick charts are 120 transactions per bar, no matterhow long it takes to complete it. gravestonedoggie: 5m es some kind of falling wedge thing Buffy_04364: dave - what is the capacity of this room? gravestonedoggie: not sure what it implies.. but maybe some volatility soon Buffy_04364: Howard is afraid not enough will be able to get into his room tonight Daniel X: to trade well Buffy Buffy_04364: how many people tops amer_68: pyrapoint and tick charts would be inconsistent. Daniel X: thats the capacity Buffy_04364: :-) Daniel X: 100 i think Buffy_04364: Mike do you know if for unpaid room Buffy_04364: tks tomsurf: ES still just range chop amer_68: Unless one argues that time is flexible??? Buffy_04364: ok will see jimbo_320: tom, painful Buffy_04364: if Howard pd for his but his classes are bigger than that so much have tomsurf: jimbo- amen gravestonedoggie: yes, everone here haspaid the retor fee.. $75 a week beanman_1: With Tick charts in pyra,,,you would some of the EOS time correlation However.. they do work.. and pyra also work in PNF.. many examples in the manual of PNF Gorillatrader: lol gravestonedoggie: juz kidding, mike tomsurf: mike- don't believe GSD tomsurf: LOL Gorillatrader: we cheapstakes here jimbo_320: no, i collect fees on behalf of dave and gsd amer_68: beanman: EOS? Please. jimbo_320: this chop has done wonders for my yahoo chess rating ! beanman_1: End of Square.. where price and time meet in pyra amer_68: Tks. tomsurf: jimbo- that makes up for trades in the chop, lol jimbo_320: tom, i've got that feeling that as soon as i put in the 51 buy it is guarateed to clunk Tom_B: to cliff dive or not, tht is the ques.. gravestonedoggie: we've certainly paid our dues in herer gravestonedoggie: afterall, everyone had to listen to me tomsurf: ;-) jimbo_320: but you never use the mic gsd Daniel X: gravely stoned doggie...yes but $ well spent gravestonedoggie: sp either gonna break, or shorts will ahve to cover Tom_B: y, "Time Has Come Today" gravestonedoggie: count what blessings you ahve, jimbo Gorillatrader: so, what are the fees? Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. jimbo_320: :-) is you typing or your cat? gravestonedoggie: mike been paying? gravestonedoggie: maybe have to pay if password gravestonedoggie: y Tom_B: does retro hve a sell / jimbo_320: we like having the riff raf in here gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: mike, what tf? mike_bruns: The riff raff that first showed when T started was unbelievable. Flat out nasty, they were. mike_bruns: 5M or 300T gravestonedoggie: yep.. they all here Daniel X: Tom not in this gravestonedoggie: thnx mike_bruns: No they aren't! Buffy_04364: I remember gravestonedoggie: true, 1der not ehre tomsurf: we had a real winner in here yesterday mike- but da hammer got him gravestonedoggie: juz joking mike_bruns: I know riff raff, I have been associated with riff raff. This is not riff raff. jimbo_320: yeah, since the password protection, this room has got a lot rougher :-) gsd's cat for one gravestonedoggie: no more 1der to pick on mike_bruns: That's al ine f rom a former presidential candidate gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: cat sleeping on keyboard again mike_bruns: who couldn't tell the truth / gravestonedoggie: funny they all went there mike mike_bruns: Not me, normal typos. Why I talk. mike_bruns: And I still turn it around. lol gravestonedoggie: maybe some disgruntled web desinger sent them or something Gorillatrader: short working so far Daniel X: if u don't know the truth,,, how can u share it! Buffy_04364: yep Buffy_04364: so far gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: billionth es low test of the day mike_bruns: NQ 81 M says 1480 target Gorillatrader: yep, maybe won't work Gorillatrader: hope so, Mike mike_bruns: eventually, not necessarily today. Buffy_04364: dropped to the down channel in pyra mike_bruns: I fihure 1300 and lower before long. Buffy_04364: needs to go through 1497 mike_bruns: The week is young. Gorillatrader: next hour good for me...lol gravestonedoggie: love a young week Gorillatrader: why wait mike_bruns: Me too! Tom_B: let's go gravestonedoggie: dow wants 10k so bad Daniel X: im young weak and on love Daniel X: in love gravestonedoggie: hehe Buffy_04364: fighting to stay above it gravestonedoggie: o mon dieu Tom_B: are u shrt ? mike_bruns: DOW daily will just leave the overbought zone today. Buffy_04364: me yes mike_bruns: Much room left gravestonedoggie: you must be on something daniel gravestonedoggie: whether love or not, i dont know Daniel X: limit short in @ 96.50 Tom_B: hypo glycemic gravestonedoggie: hehe Daniel X: DOW 10088 gravestonedoggie: 1150 sp gravestonedoggie: 1500 nq Tom_B: let the games begin Gorillatrader: 4 digit Dow coming up soon ppusa: there, nq got the low. r u happy now mike_bruns: Alwasys amazing how prices jerk around then key support and resistance are hit. Gorillatrader: SOX lod Tom_B: if es can get thru here, 1145 next gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: strange it just sites there on new low gravestonedoggie: sits Tom_B: pondering its future Daniel X: hit pivot support 2 gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: sp has not been here in a while Tom_B: nq 1475 - 80 nxt if we get going.. gravestonedoggie: feel like they asking, "everybody short now???" ppusa: nq hasn't got going all day. Daniel X: hope so will help ppusa: i feel same way ppusa: based on the action, there will be no follow through ppusa: nq 1525 to get everyone leaning lng then 1450, get everyone short, then... jimbo_320: es is at bottom of downtrend line on daily oversold 1145 ppusa: the best idea of the day has got to be the beach thing Gorillatrader: bouncing mike_bruns: WEll, the ES is a t 110% range for the day, NQ 98% mike_bruns: So. statistic wise, we habe been there, done that. Gorillatrader: 10 day Ave Range? ppusa: averaged over how many days Buffy_04364: yep but we all know what the market can do to stat :-) Gorillatrader: let's break the Stats mike_bruns: True, yet this closely follows a +- 15% on a day to day basis. Buffy_04364: :-) Buffy_04364: tks Gorillatrader: +/- 15% fudge factor Gorillatrader: lol Buffy_04364: lol Buffy_04364: inside bar on 5m mike_bruns: I use it everyday to decide how aggressive I want tobe at what time of day. jimbo_320: bottom of downtrend line on nq is - no prizes - 1440 Gorillatrader: very useful mike_bruns: 3 day average. Buffy_04364: out + i don't owe the broker LOL gravestonedoggie: smells of 2b Gorillatrader: I use Ave True Range mike_bruns: Ever hear of the running 3 mean in statistical analysis. mike_bruns: Very powerful. Buffy_04364: no ppusa: low of today on trend line posted tomsurf: does IB have an online help desk? mike_bruns: Soert of. (03:15 PM) mike_bruns: Yes , they will eventually talk to you. (03:15 PM) tomsurf: humm, cause my orders didn't go through...first time (03:15 PM) ppusa: jim check the trendline i just posted (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: flag in dt? (03:15 PM) Daniel X: ow.....my neck hurts (03:15 PM) ppusa: close right here is my down trend line (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: time ine (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: looks good to me ppusa (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: ine = line (03:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: lol daniel (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra leans toward down I think (03:17 PM) Daniel X: come on DOW do da dirty (03:17 PM) Gorillatrader: SOX keeps falling (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: buthaven't finished reading the book (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:18 PM) mike_bruns: tom I just placed and orde and it canceled (color) quickly but 11 seconds to clear the screen. (03:18 PM) Daniel X: shorts going up sox falling ..hhmmmm (03:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: stick with tws3 (03:18 PM) dave_b_quick: Mike, the manual says it's supposed to stay on the screen for 30 seconds after the cancel is confirmed by turning red (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: tell ib management you will leave if they dont extend tws 3 (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: lol daniel (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: test of low ? (03:20 PM) mike_bruns: OK dave, did not recall theat info. (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: that (03:21 PM) dave_b_quick: i guess if it dropped off the screen right away you might not have time to see that it was confirmed cancelled (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: tagged EOS (03:21 PM) jimbo_320: eos? (03:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: makes sense dave (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: end of square (03:21 PM) mike_bruns: I figured it was supposed to depart as soon as the color changed (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: but should of said low of square (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: eos is the time line (03:22 PM) jimbo_320: pp, i think limited down after am selloff (03:22 PM) scottybythelake: tws 3 = ? (03:22 PM) mike_bruns: If it puts me long at 1151, I know it didn't cancel LOL (03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: version 3 of trader workstation.. the old thing... runs flawlessly (03:22 PM) mike_bruns: Trader Work Station (03:22 PM) scottybythelake: thx (03:22 PM) mike_bruns: INteractive Broker's trading platform. (03:22 PM) scottybythelake: gotch'ya (03:22 PM) jimbo_320: maybe 10,000 dow tomorrow and we can rally next week (03:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: they are end support for 3 on 9/15... unless you have futures/options account (03:24 PM) Gorillatrader: prefer market drops thru mid Oct then very oversold for a susteained rally (03:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: 9which i now do) (03:24 PM) ppusa: The only thing i can see that i haven't mentioned is my 1 hour chart ma's look sick. Do not look like they are in a position to turn up and today's raly stopped right at them. (03:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: you can still download 3 from the site (03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: successful test of low (03:24 PM) Buffy_04364: so far (03:24 PM) ppusa: jimbo the reverse would be limited up followed by a big sell off Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (03:26 PM) ppusa: boss the train, the train (03:27 PM) Daniel X: lol (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: drat higher rei on the last tag (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: missed it (03:27 PM) ppusa: oh sorry i am an houroff (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:27 PM) Daniel X: ys u r (03:27 PM) Daniel X: Train had 15 point today (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: shorts covering? (03:28 PM) Gorillatrader: if it can't go down, must go up...maybe (03:28 PM) Tom_B: that was an enthralling experience (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: yep GT (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: looks it (03:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes.. was no mustard on last push down (03:28 PM) jimbo_320: posted chart 'The Train To 1440' :-) (03:29 PM) ppusa: if nq took out today's rally high, that would be the potential flag pattern to new lows. (03:30 PM) ppusa: i have an order sitting here to sell at 05. been in for at least an hour. So nq goes to 4.5 and dies. go figure (03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: don't see it yet jimbo (03:31 PM) tang: do we have 123 Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.com WARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a (03:33 PM) Tom_B: i think so..? (03:33 PM) ppusa: no (03:33 PM) tang: thans tom (03:33 PM) tang: no ppusa (03:33 PM) Tom_B: but u must exit in 1/2 hr, by 3 cst (03:33 PM) tang: ok (03:33 PM) Tom_B: y/n? (03:33 PM) Gorillatrader: 3:15cst end of day (03:33 PM) ppusa: well yes and no (03:34 PM) ppusa: what's the point of going long here? (03:34 PM) Tom_B: retro out by 3cst (03:34 PM) tang: 123 on 5 min (03:34 PM) ppusa: i would rather by a dip than go long high on a stop (03:34 PM) Tom_B: this is retro (03:34 PM) Gorillatrader: oops, ok (03:35 PM) ppusa: oh never mind (03:35 PM) Gorillatrader: Retro Jr. more aggresive here (03:35 PM) mike_bruns: Jr ? (03:35 PM) mike_bruns: I have t oback and reread the site. (03:35 PM) Gorillatrader: lol (03:35 PM) dave_b_quick: not there yet, mike (03:35 PM) Gorillatrader: my retro version (03:36 PM) ppusa: sorry tang i thought you were referring to my sell order. I am half asleep (03:36 PM) ppusa: the other half is incoherent (03:36 PM) tang: ok ppusa (03:36 PM) Tom_B: i'm drooling at this point.. (03:37 PM) Daniel X: for? (03:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:40 PM) Tom_B: retro vision...trading with a mirrir (03:40 PM) ppusa: does anyone show that nq just hit 1505.5? (03:40 PM) Tom_B: y (03:40 PM) dave_b_quick: y (03:40 PM) mike_bruns: yes (03:40 PM) jimbo_320: y (03:40 PM) tomsurf: IB help is worthless (03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: y (03:40 PM) ppusa: where is my #%# fill? (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: ppusa needs a SRL (03:41 PM) Tom_B: who do u use ? (03:41 PM) tomsurf: " don't know" is the only answer they do know, lol (03:41 PM) tomsurf: Tom- IB (03:41 PM) mike_bruns: Only touched, not passed through. (03:42 PM) Tom_B: scary (03:42 PM) mike_bruns: Need not be filled. (03:42 PM) ppusa: got it (03:42 PM) jimbo_320: buffy you need to publish a list of your abbrevi.. (03:42 PM) ppusa: that sell 1505 (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: srl - stress reduction laugh (03:42 PM) ppusa: pats didn't come thru logged in again and it was done (03:42 PM) ppusa: thanks for the help everyone (03:43 PM) Tom_B: I like GSD's rushing the stage, I almost fell out of my chair first time I heard it (03:43 PM) Tom_B: pats is new sys / (03:43 PM) Tom_B: ? (03:44 PM) dave_b_quick: i got those sideways blues again (03:45 PM) tomsurf: thx jimbo (03:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: (hands waving together in crowd) (03:45 PM) rambler_12: good lyrics (03:45 PM) jimbo_320: SRB - stress reduction blues 4 ppusa (03:45 PM) Gorillatrader: let's see if this Long works out (03:45 PM) Tom_B: couldn't keep up with retro, Dave u hve such a nimble touch...how did it do ? (03:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice gt (03:45 PM) jimbo_320: at least you got your fill now ppusa (03:45 PM) Gorillatrader: feels like a dice roll, thou (03:45 PM) mike_bruns: a conservative 9/20 buy too. (03:45 PM) ppusa: bite me (03:46 PM) mike_bruns: 1513 target here (03:46 PM) mike_bruns: atresistance now. on 15M (03:47 PM) GGriz: don't know how that works Jimbo, but you started a short covering rally (03:47 PM) mike_bruns: needs to clear 10 quick (03:47 PM) jimbo_320: Griz, those SRB's working again (03:47 PM) Gorillatrader: clear 16, then runs (03:47 PM) GGriz: yowser (03:47 PM) mike_bruns: Agree on 16 (03:47 PM) mike_bruns: but the clock is ticking..... (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: tagging top of square (03:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: market just does not seem to put together a real good give up dumping of stock (03:48 PM) mike_bruns: 06 stops me out (03:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: so jsut kkeps oozing down (03:49 PM) mike_bruns: Like a bear market will and it will do it for months. (03:50 PM) mike_bruns: Needs to bleed the public dry so no one will invest for another 15 years. (03:50 PM) dave_b_quick: tom: 3+, 5-, 1BE, net 12.5 (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: posting pyra (03:50 PM) mike_bruns: A panic sell off won't do that. (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: your train chart never showed up (03:50 PM) Tom_B: tnx David (03:50 PM) mike_bruns: I need to install Snagit to a different folder and set it up. (03:51 PM) rambler_12: a panic at the very end (03:51 PM) mike_bruns: At the very end. (03:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah.. people jsut dont want to give while prices slowly erode... need something more violent to shake em out... instead hopes not fully dashed (03:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: give up (03:52 PM) amer_68: Buffy: A suggestion? (03:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: seems like endless process (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: yes? (03:52 PM) Gorillatrader: we need a World Crisis (03:52 PM) mike_bruns: The haves want what the "want tohaves" have got. The killing of a generation of investment. (03:52 PM) amer_68: A less flourescent green and blue would be easier to see. (03:52 PM) rambler_12: i panic at the very end daily (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: ok amer (03:53 PM) mike_bruns: lol (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: I keep trying to come up with colors I can live with on the white so charts can be printed (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: will play with it more (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: I did increase the bar width on this last one (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: did that help? (03:53 PM) mike_bruns: Want excitement, trade pork bellies. 490 contracts a day traded. (03:53 PM) Gorillatrader: RED, BLUE, BLACK any dark color (03:54 PM) Gorillatrader: hehe, Mike (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: to replace what GT (03:54 PM) amer_68: I didn't get a your new chart yet. (03:54 PM) Gorillatrader: your indicators, bars work with white background (03:54 PM) ppusa: i'm on the phone (03:55 PM) ppusa: okay back (03:55 PM) jimbo_320: Griz how u doing today? (03:55 PM) amer_68: Oh, the bat width, yes, better, (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: good amer (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: the green on the indicators GT (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (03:55 PM) amer_68: bat = bar (03:55 PM) Gorillatrader: could be (03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: or the numbers withthe charts? Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (03:55 PM) Gorillatrader: use black for numbers (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: ok I will lose the ability to switch it to black background but just posted it (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: will live with pyra being white all the time (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:58 PM) Gorillatrader: black numbers on black background improves your trading..trade the chart not the numbers...lol (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: is that ok now? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:58 PM) Gorillatrader: :-) (03:58 PM) elly_34: how is everyone? (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra7 (03:58 PM) Gorillatrader: thx (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: doing fine elly and you? (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: u welc (03:59 PM) elly_34: great (03:59 PM) amer_68: Buffy: yah, # look goood. (03:59 PM) elly_34: and retro? (03:59 PM) Tom_B: Hi elly, tomsurf was looking for info on retro & es.. (03:59 PM) ppusa: hTom you were asking about Pats. It is realitively new. It fallls asleep on me and I have to exit and re-enter (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: +12.5 I think (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: dave? Tom? Daniel? (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:59 PM) elly_34: nice (03:59 PM) elly_34: i didn't follow today (04:00 PM) dave_b_quick: retro 9 trades, +12.5 (04:00 PM) Tom_B: i've heard that from a friend ..it was crashing & he cudn't reconnect...maybe just a software glitch ?? (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (04:00 PM) Gorillatrader: it might depend on the specific broker (04:01 PM) jimbo_320: when is the next big economic news due and what? (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: very unusual for pyra to stay in same horizontal block most of the day (04:01 PM) Buffy_04364: from what I have seen anyway (04:01 PM) ppusa: sometimes i have to ask them to reset it and then it's fine. Today was just exit and enter. (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike hope you do get snagit set up soon (04:03 PM) Gorillatrader: does it work with HyperSnap as well as with Snagit to post? (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: no (04:03 PM) dave_b_quick: no? (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: I used to use hypersanp (04:03 PM) jimbo_320: i am done for the day, should of taken the afternoon off. Bye all (04:04 PM) dave_b_quick: hypersnap is for Mac? (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: Teresa kept saying it should do it but she couldn't find a way (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: no it isn't Dave (04:04 PM) leont_2_1: ecnb meeting tomorrow could spur the euro and drop the dollar (04:04 PM) Daniel X: by jim (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: great for emails and stuff which used to be all I was doing (04:04 PM) jimmer49: elly - what was it like in privatedaytrades? (04:05 PM) elly_34: well very impressive gains the first part of the day but then a lot of failed scalp type intraday trades during that chop chop chop although altogether i think a few gains offset the few losses of that period (04:05 PM) Gorillatrader: I use hypersnap with Win98 and Win2k (04:05 PM) elly_34: i didn't write down how many points from early on but lots (04:06 PM) elly_34: and i will get an email tonite saying (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: yes for that great but couldn't find way to post to web (04:06 PM) jimmer49: Any interesting approaches? (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I had to send charts to mike and he posted them (04:06 PM) dave_b_quick: GT, you can download f (04:06 PM) elly_34: i don't understand there approaches and i was not able to hear, lots of talk but i couldn't hear (04:06 PM) dave_b_quick: snagit for free (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: is that a paltalk room, elly? (04:07 PM) elly_34: will take longer to evaluate but they look quite good (04:07 PM) elly_34: yes (04:07 PM) elly_34: www.privatedaytrades.com (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: free? (04:07 PM) dave_b_quick: (my cheapskate stripe is showing) (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (04:08 PM) elly_34: just a free trial,,,, (04:08 PM) Buffy_04364: www.techsmith.com for snagit GT (04:09 PM) Buffy_04364: and anyone else interested (04:10 PM) elly_34: not sure what u are talking about (04:10 PM) tang: is any using tactrade service (04:10 PM) tang: anyone (04:11 PM) Gorillatrader: elly, what is their approach? methodology? (04:11 PM) elly_34: i wish i knew (04:11 PM) leont_2_1: blsh (04:12 PM) elly_34: i will forward some mail from them for whoever likes (04:12 PM) elly_34: they are not talking about signals at all other thanelliott waves (04:13 PM) elly_34: and timing but i have no idea what tf and i was busy with some option trades so not time to ask (04:13 PM) elly_34: but they trade 2 contract of es or nq normally sometimes 3 (04:13 PM) Gorillatrader: they can keep elliot waves for intraday trading, as far I am concerned..not interested (04:13 PM) elly_34: scaling out (04:13 PM) elly_34: i don't know if the elliott were intraday,,,,not sure (04:13 PM) Gorillatrader: ok, thx for the info..will look at their site (04:14 PM) paths: what is the url for ensign session? (04:14 PM) elly_34: their are much more into giving the signals than the how though which is good for a new person, not so good for one wanting to learn (04:15 PM) Gorillatrader: we must all learn, to be independent (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: in a room just like this one (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: ensign windows users (04:15 PM) paths: at yahoo? ok (04:15 PM) tang: it is training time (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: true very true GT (04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: learn to fish (04:16 PM) elly_34: i agree GT (04:16 PM) elly_34: completely (04:16 PM) elly_34: nq a little pop before the close (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: now it takes off (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: lol (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: ok am going to the ensign room shortly for the guest speaker on ticki and prem from www.tactrade.com (04:16 PM) Gorillatrader: just closed my Long (04:16 PM) elly_34: going to the ensign room? (04:16 PM) elly_34: everyone? (04:16 PM) Gorillatrader: at 4:14 (04:17 PM) elly_34: very nice GT (04:17 PM) paths: is that on paltalk? (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: yes same section as this room (04:17 PM) elly_34: i will be back on ensign next week,,,,yipppppe, done with this dog forever qcharts (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: I know how you feel elly (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: will be back in this room after Howard's lesson (04:18 PM) leont_2_1: buffy are they going over program trading today? (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: ? (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: retro? (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't have the figures (04:18 PM) Orprepus: yes - tactrade.com will be there (04:18 PM) Orprepus: see ya (04:18 PM) leont_2_1: tiki and prem are program signals (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: they are going over the ticki and prem charts tactrade has been posting (04:19 PM) elly_34: k great, going there too (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: to dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: see you all over there! (04:19 PM) Buffy_04364: bye for now Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! 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