Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.comWARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a Buffy_04364: morning all gravestonedoggie: gm buffy Buffy_04364: how am I doing on the retro charts? Daniel X: hold on go back a ec gravestonedoggie: did not get to look yet, buffy.. but do you ahve yest transcript Buffy_04364: can I ask where you are on the chart? Buffy_04364: yes I do gsd Buffy_04364: suppose to send to dave all at ones when he gets back Orprepus: good morning all gravestonedoggie: gm hanksterr: Buffy, I was in T class yesterday. Can I get a copy of the transcript? Buffy_04364: Retro stop ever go below the 15M bar? Buffy_04364: what your email hanksterr beanman_1: fyi, Since Howard displayed Tiki on his NQ chart yesterday... (Tiki is like tick but only for Dow 30) I went back to do some reading and found old article in stocks and comm. April 2k issue hanksterr: hanksterr@home.com thanks KCS_111: my system, NQ, is a buy at open and if profit or stop loss is not reached by 2pm, exit. gravestonedoggie: iif this system works, should it not work for es, or any other market.? NQoos: k dont get mine until 9:20 gravestonedoggie: if this system works, should it not work for es, or any other market.? gravestonedoggie: but once you do that, you are jsut trading a mike approach or whaatever, not retro gravestonedoggie: right NQ! gravestonedoggie: yes KCS_111: my other one, J, that comes out around 9:45, has no trades for today (that one trades US, DJ, and SP) gravestonedoggie: or you might get a 20, a -10 and a 15 gravestonedoggie: if you are a good discretionary trader, dont use retro gravestonedoggie: if not, use retro for system approach hanksterr: Buffy, have to go to class, did you get my email Buffy_04364: I sent it if that is what you mean hanksterr: ty buffy see you later Buffy_04364: u welc hanksterr: buffy, keep up the retro charts please, it all helps gravestonedoggie: i think this sytem depneds on a volatile contract like nq.. wont work on es, i suspect, at least not on 15 mion.... so on nq, will probably only work while nq still keeps current volatility levels, no? Buffy_04364: much better gravestonedoggie: right.. mike basically has one approach that combines inside bars and rei gravestonedoggie: so rei is a filter Buffy_04364: I don't know GSD hadn't thought about it but with so much of it based on TA, it should at least be tried on others Buffy_04364: garbled Daniel gravestonedoggie: yes.. i think mike doing the same thing, but adding more sophisticated filers of TA gravestonedoggie: perhaps the reason so many excited about retro is because it is much more simplistic and systematized... gravestonedoggie: no discretion involved 9or not much) Buffy_04364: hmmm 6 says If in a position that's already profitable and another entry opportunity occurs, such as a 15M retracement bar or inside bar, add an additional contract by STOP order on bar breakout Buffy_04364: so with that in mind he is not exiting on an inside bar he is adding a position Tom_B: 15m ? Buffy_04364: my rules were printed on friday gravestonedoggie: he adss if inside bar breakouts in same direction of first contract gravestonedoggie: i think Buffy_04364: so he ads on break of inside bar on 15M Tom_B: y Tom_B: y gravestonedoggie: y.. if in same direction Buffy_04364: read rule six I just typed Buffy_04364: inside bar is there Buffy_04364: so he can't be getting out on it Tom_B: retrace or insde 15m bar Buffy_04364: if a possible add might take place gravestonedoggie: he gets out if in opposite direction of orignal trade Tom_B: if profitable...how much ? Daniel X: yes on pulback or inside Buffy_04364: yes he tightens the stop Buffy_04364: he doesn't exit gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: ok, you are right buffy Buffy_04364: no clue tom Tom_B: k Daniel X: Tom if in a winning trade he adds Tom_B: no mmgt rule yet.. Buffy_04364: now folks, I am going to have to leave you for about 30 min Daniel X: nope just strist stops Buffy_04364: sorry I overslept but I still have to run an errand Daniel X: ok Buffy Buffy_04364: bridge match went to extra hands Buffy_04364: late night Daniel X: Tom mmgt strict stops gravestonedoggie: what time, tom? Daniel X: price? Daniel X: only if a pullback or inside bar NQoos: KC buying 1176 gravestonedoggie: no, the technique is for adding a 2nd contract KCS_111: thanks, gonna go now...see you later all..good trading. gravestonedoggie: ok gravestonedoggie: why does he get long at 2350? gravestonedoggie: should be breakout above 1st bar at 29 whatever gravestonedoggie: is 1st long, no? gravestonedoggie: oh, i c it is on low swing setup Daniel X: lets look gravestonedoggie: so the 2250 long early yesterday is on a 2b setup, right? gravestonedoggie: 2350 gravestonedoggie: hehe Daniel X: lol gravestonedoggie: sorry, a 123, not a 2b Daniel X: ur welcome Daniel X: GSD 23.50 is rihgt Daniel X: right Daniel X: top of 3rd 15 min GGriz: good morning team cctraderx: morning all gravestonedoggie: cc gravestonedoggie: gg Daniel X: mornin Daniel X: back in 10 GGriz: back for close :) Gorillatrader: good morning cctraderx: morning GT cctraderx: how are the bonds this morning GT Gorillatrader: flat Tom_B: be bk in 10m Daniel X: Retro in @ 39 Gorillatrader: SOX dropping bigrexxx: was close to an 'off the blocks' sell on opening 5min bar nq bigrexxx: can't gap up is the rule though Daniel X: Retro .5 from getting stopped on prior 5 min bar Daniel X: I think Retro needs a Fed day rule ..no trading till after decision Daniel X: 5 min inside bar time to tighten stops ppusa: PnF 14, 16 and 22.5 are or will be looking for reversals. Daniel X: what i'm not sure about is when to tighten..after 5 min is complete or as it ia being formed? Gorillatrader: PnF on what symbol? ppusa: nq Gorillatrader: thx, what are the 14,16, 22.5? Daniel X: Pivot point 1532 Daniel X: 1554 1rst res Daniel X: Retro still short @ 39 ppusa: High is 1550 minus 22.5 = 1527.5 cctraderx: daniel - we finally agree on pivot numbers, 1st time in weeks cctraderx: usu within a point or 2 Daniel X: glad "you" got it right! Daniel X: lol Daniel X: u use Pyra? Daniel X: Retro out Daniel X: long 44.50 larrybf: dan how did retro do yesterday? cctraderx: dont use pyra, but watch you, buffy and howard and your charts Daniel X: i lost track Larry larrybf: ok Daniel X: ok CC Daniel X: too choppy yesterday Larry i lost track aroung noon Daniel X: Retro filled 44.50 Tom_B: Danial reto -5 first trade, long now 154450 ? Daniel X: yes Tom_B: tnx Tom_B: no vol .. Daniel X: That's why Retro needs us to adjust his criteria Daniel X: nut he still out does everyone! Orprepus: agree maybe exit on the 3m instead of 5m Daniel X: chop days i agree Tom_B: need a way to "define" Tframe shift Tom_B: ADX...? Daniel X: well how about 2 losses in a row? Orprepus: will you sideline until a trend Daniel X: if Retro gets stopped on this one ,yes Tom_B: today wi Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders and TrendVUE.com alumni. Today's charts at www.DaCharts.comWARNING: Any trades posted here are for educational purposes only. Do not trade other traders' calls unless you understand the trade and are prepared to take the a Buffy_04364: I just got booted can someone please send me this chat when we are through? gravestonedoggie: yes, buffy... though i have been botted couple times, os just have bits Gorillatrader: i have all afternoon, will send buffy Buffy_04364: thanks GT Buffy_04364: now does anyone know why someone requesting a reciept when you read their mail would lock a system up? Buffy_04364: were there any comments on the lines I drew on the 15M and the validity of them? Ensign Software: The Aug 21st version of Ensign Windows is now available for download. Buffy_04364: thanks Howard Ensign Software: any questions before I leave? Gorillatrader: Buffy, what name of that chart? Buffy_04364: one - are you still considering programing retro? Ensign Software: how did retro do today? Buffy_04364: very very well Buffy_04364: 15m with 123 Buffy_04364: is the name Ensign Software: give + points for retro today, please. Buffy_04364: Daniel did you add them up finally elly_34: the last two trades without add ons were 45.5 i believe Ensign Software: notice how PP did well today for when and where the ES, JNPR, and NQ charts broke from on the news of the rate cut. See my posted charts. elly_34: first three not sure elly_34: first three + down a bit i think Ensign Software: ok, retro still on wish list. ppusa: Stockcharts.com elly_34: Buffy if you know what first three are subtract from 45.5 Ensign Software: working to smooth off existing items before adding more. Buffy_04364: thanks howard Buffy_04364: -10 stopped out twice and one even Buffy_04364: is that with or without adding a contract elly Roger Schelling: yea ok Roger Schelling: yup c ya elly_34: one contract Daniel X: good night elly_34: not sure with the add ons Gorillatrader: thx ppusa Buffy_04364: ok 35 without the adding of contracts howard elly_34: i am trying to just keep it simple while i learn themethod so one contract Buffy_04364: I understand elly np Buffy_04364: lots of new charts to look at Buffy_04364: beanman has some too elly_34: nice daniel Gorillatrader: even with no addition of cts, 35 pts on a daily range of about 70pts, that's 50% capture..it is very good Gorillatrader: bye Dan Buffy_04364: aren't they great Howard Roger Schelling: k thnks......... Daniel X: bye ur wlcm ispec_cj: Hi all.. Buffy_04364: you asked it first LOL Buffy_04364: hi CJ!!!!!! Buffy_04364: bet you had fun this afternoon ispec_cj: Buffy, I think today was exceptional! LOL Buffy_04364: rogers1 Buffy_04364: continue tomorrow?? :-) ispec_cj: Buffy, I have a question when you get a chance...don't wanna interrupt here.. Buffy_04364: k Gorillatrader: yes hanksterr: that makes sense ty Hollie_: go over 1 more time guys Hollie_: gals Gorillatrader: the Trend changes are based on the Higher Time Frames Ensign Software: Roger, is your bar coloring using the Dunnigan Color Bar setting? Ensign Software: The Aug 21st version will give you the actual volume per tick for intra-day charting of ES and NQ. ispec_cj: Buffy, I saw a post from Howard in today's charts page, it was a T&S window with real volume...how can I get the real volume to show on mine? Ensign Software: get Aug 21st version Ensign Software: TRUE Hollie_: Where do I get the DCB setting? tks Ensign Software: we use 4 color buckets, you select the paint in each bucket leont_2: hollie from experience the more you watch it the more you understand it. it becomes intuitive and yousee it in action don't make any trades just paper trade it Buffy_04364: Howard deffer to you ispec_cj: oh, is that what you were talking about? hanksterr: what is the meaning of the third and 4th color on dunnigan Hollie_: tks leo Ensign Software: what was ? abourt DCB?? Ensign Software: is DCB Dunnigan Color Bar? leont_2: hank trendvue.com get on the list for the free book hanksterr: ty elly_34: is there a place yet to sign for the free book? Ensign Software: on SetUp | Charts menu, set Bullish color to Green, Buffy_04364: bars are not colored by close but high and low Ensign Software: Bearish color to Red, hanksterr: I signed up for it leont_2: trendvue.com hanksterr: I am taking T class now Buffy_04364: good hank Buffy_04364: u like it? Ensign Software: 3rd color to Outside color Ensign Software: 4th color to Inside color hanksterr: very much feel dumb though leont_2: no you do not hanksterr: lol leont_2: this is the best place you can find Buffy_04364: this room will make a lot more sense now Buffy_04364: when you are through though hanksterr: agree this is the best room Buffy_04364: you will understand the termonology Buffy_04364: much better Buffy_04364: tks leont hanksterr: I'll never be through lol Ensign Software: Buffy, perhaps you might hint to Teresa to share a copy my way?? Buffy_04364: LOL true hank Buffy_04364: will mention it to her Howard leont_2: any time buff Buffy_04364: see what I can do Tom_B: coaster9, were u asking about a Linksys router ? leont_2: use your influence, it'll be free for you ensign Buffy_04364: of course you could sign up for it lol - her charts in her newsletters are good like yours Buffy_04364: :-) Ensign Software: IS THERE ANYONE HERE WHO DID NOT GET THE LAST TRADING TIPS NEWSLETTER for August and would like to receive on. Send e-mail to newsletter-subscribe@ensignsoftware.com and I will e-mail back that issue. Has great article on understanding Stochastic. Any 2nd endorsements out there? Buffy_04364: GT did you look at the lines of 15M? Buffy_04364: I will gladly give you that Howard Buffy_04364: seeing your different examples of changing different things sure helped me to understand stoch much better leont_2: the article was great Roger Schelling: Yes that is very easy to learn from.....better that the MARKET! :) Buffy_04364: LOL true Roger Gorillatrader: yes Buffy Gorillatrader: what are the mov ave? Buffy_04364: does that matter when drawing lines for 123? Buffy_04364: 9-20-40-200 Gorillatrader: the uptrendline break, then congestion lines show clear breaks and accurate picture Gorillatrader: nope Buffy_04364: ok so if not using retro rules but using 123 well turned out to be 2b entry would of been earlier right? Gorillatrader: break below 1548 Gorillatrader: the lows of the congestion bars Buffy_04364: ok their low is 154750 so SS at 1547 right and thanks for confirming what I thought Gorillatrader: about 10 pts earlier, and BuyStop just above 2 yellow bars Gorillatrader: haha Gorillatrader: look at that green bar prior to the first red bar Buffy_04364: yes so there would of been antoher trade in there Gorillatrader: taking out THAT LOW of that green bar could be as a failure of the pattarn Buffy_04364: yes yes yes Buffy_04364: tks Gorillatrader: pattern breakout to the upside Gorillatrader: hard to do real time, thou Buffy_04364: and as T says if it isn't going up it should go down Buffy_04364: no I had the lines in just didn't do it Gorillatrader: its a Classical Pattern Failure Buffy_04364: yep and I think drawing TL all the time like I do helps see them faster Gorillatrader: well, my BEST trades are done in Hindsight leont_2: which chart are you watching? Buffy_04364: 15M Gorillatrader: your 15min chart leont_2: ok Gorillatrader: print that chart for your notebook Gorillatrader: Pattern Failure Breakout Failure Short Entry gravestonedoggie: easy to see on a chart now, but taking the trade in the post fomc volatility not so easy gravestonedoggie: that was the main challenge in today's trading Gorillatrader: agree Gorillatrader: I'll save the text and send to you in a few minutes. Think started close to 2pm Gorillatrader: see you tomorrow. gravestonedoggie: bye leont_2: bye guys and gals you're grand Buffy_04364: good idea GT been a while since I added a chart to that notbook Buffy_04364: bye leont Buffy_04364: thanks GT I don't remember last time I save but should be close enough hanksterr: no Roger Schelling: no i do not hanksterr: I dont understand them hanksterr: going to study charts tonite Buffy_04364: hanksterr, you can't look at enough charts hanksterr: ty buffy and all for your help Buffy_04364: practice drawing TL Buffy_04364: oh did you get my eamil Buffy_04364: if so have you tried it hanksterr: haven't tried the last one yet hanksterr: sorry I will take it off elly_34: goodnight all, see u in the a.m. Roger Schelling: When you get back.Buffy....i think i knonw something about raz Roger Schelling: lol Roger Schelling: http://www.hardrightedge.com/wizard.htm Hollie_: tks all for your help Hollie_: appreciate it Hollie_: lol Buffy_04364: night all