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donl_2: I sometimes don't do what the charts show but what I think and then get in trouble
larrybf: tom doyou have an opinion about dynamic trader?
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Tom_B: I find it is not practical for r.t trading but it does have nice fib& time proj... Miner's course on Ell wave is very good...
leont_2_1: dave did you adjust the stops on retro?i notice a change in the afternoon
dave_b_quick: no, i don't think so...  where?
leont_2_1: trades 3-5 sl's 2 pts
Daniel X: Dave did u get my email
Daniel X: /
dave_b_quick: somebody asked me to show the stop placements on the chart
larrybf: thanks tom. i am trying to learn about fibonacci. i bought miner"s book it is excellent but hard to abdorb
GGriz: 72 handle got the bounce
dave_b_quick: ya, dan my reply has come back twice, i'll keep resending
larrybf: absorb
Tom_B: check out steve griffith's, he is also very good & keeps it simple.. www.griffithchronicles.com
larrybf: thanks tom
Buffy_04364: Morning all
Tom_B: gm
Buffy_04364: Didn't lose connection while playing bridge so have the whole thing to edit this weekend so it can be posted on the website
leont_2_1: how come tade3 is a1.5 loss i thought all losses would be 5 just trying to understand, and only answer if you have the time
dave_b_quick: exit was on the 5m 2b reversal, not on the initial stop
timing 2: any 1 know wats the 8 am  free fall reason thanks
leont_2_1: hello buff
4nq: good morning all
GGriz: Tom the url for griffith is not connecting
Tom_B: i'll ck , griffithschronicles.com
GGriz: yes that works
pjrl: is there an "s" after griffith or not?
Tom_B: y
gunner-: hi pjrl    long time no C..
GGriz: timing: huge bond mkt rally --- 
pjrl: ah there you are. I was wondering what happened to all the coffee shop types. Everyone hanging out here, or elsewhere?
Buffy_04364: BTW - esignal has a release the new version
gunner-: pj  I'll PM you
gunner-: pjrl   U got mic?
Buffy_04364: Has Howard changed anything or would you still have to take ASI ESPL and "mesh" it with the REI and MACD one.
Buffy_04364: we have all been invited to attend on line chats about the Wycoff method on Tues Weds and Thurs evening 8CT - 9EST
Buffy_04364: the website is www.LTG-Trading.com/chat/chat1.html
Buffy_04364: the password is "build"
Buffy_04364: Dave will post this infor on the website
Buffy_04364: I think Gary might be talked into doing a discussion on this if enough are interested
Buffy_04364: thoughts?
wlevicki: I am always interested in methods :)
ispecjh_1: Buffy I missed the beggining, who is Gary?
leont_2_1: ed
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(09:32 AM) beanman_1: fyi, anyone interested in Fib retracements /clusters and Minor's work.. check out the SP charts I just posted..
(09:33 AM) elly_34: i am, am reading miners book now
(09:34 AM) cctraderx: where Beanman?
(09:34 AM) elly_34: not seeing
(09:34 AM) cctraderx: didn't see under today
(09:35 AM) beanman_1: Opps.. forget you have to change date to post.. look at yesterday.. chart 12 and 13
(09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: He runs the sites and does talks on the wycoff method
(09:35 AM) Buffy_04364: for groups
(09:36 AM) cctraderx: thanks beanman
(09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: may even run seminars on it 
(09:37 AM) hagenkb: ty beanman
(09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: you forgot to change the date bman
(09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: posted to yesterday
(09:37 AM) beanman_1: yea.. I thought EW would do that auto...
(09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: if you turn it off it does not if you keep it running I believe
(09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: Did anyone have the answer to the espl script?
(09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: can you repost or if not dave can you move them?
(09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: nice charts bman
(09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: really appreciate the great job you did last night too
(09:40 AM) beanman_1: Buffy, You have to merge the ESPL ASI script with whatever else you have running..
(09:40 AM) beanman_1: thsk,
(09:40 AM) Buffy_04364: ok thought so just wondered if Howard had changed it
(09:42 AM) dave_b_quick: sorry, got distracted by gunplay outside.  Was I supposed to do something, buffy?
(09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: bman posted chart to wrong date
(09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: can you move them to todays folder?
(09:42 AM) dave_b_quick: ok
(09:42 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks
(09:43 AM) Buffy_04364: not real gun play I hope!
(09:44 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, 1/2 dozen police with guns drawn poking around my yard and the neighbors
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: not nice Dave
(09:44 AM) Buffy_04364: I would be distracted too!!!111
(09:44 AM) dave_b_quick: brot the kid upstairs just in case
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: good thinking
(09:45 AM) dave_b_quick: i wouldn't have noticed, but my wife was kinda frantic
(09:45 AM) Buffy_04364: I bet she was
(09:46 AM) dave_b_quick: just 3 charts, beanman?
(09:46 AM) proustt: good morning dave
(09:47 AM) proustt: in a trade?
(09:47 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 75T
(09:47 AM) dave_b_quick: hi prousst!  not yet
(09:47 AM) proustt: have to wait , here....looks like
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: I think so dave
(09:48 AM) Buffy_04364: we have our flag already to watch
(09:48 AM) proustt: Im getting good at waiting, for a change, making a difference in my P L too
(09:48 AM) cctraderx: hi proustt
(09:48 AM) proustt: hii cc
(09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: yes patience will pay you back
(09:49 AM) cctraderx: good to see ya
(09:49 AM) Buffy_04364: hi cc
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(09:51 AM) proustt: networkers CSCO running higher...long SCMR now
(09:52 AM) proustt: NQ tick popped much higher
(09:52 AM) Buffy_04364: tks
(09:53 AM) bigrexxx: mich sentiment 93.5 just out
(09:53 AM) bigrexxx: nq at 20ema 1min
(09:54 AM) proustt: what does that sentiment mean??
(09:54 AM) Buffy_04364: hope the pyra book comes today for this weekend
(09:55 AM) cctraderx: how did they ship it - via pony express?
(09:56 AM) Buffy_04364: I am beginning to wonder
(09:56 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(09:56 AM) cctraderx: hi
(09:56 AM) cctraderx: even the mail can get it to you in 3-4 days priority
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: I am going to ask Howard if he remembered to check on it for ship date
(09:57 AM) Daniel X: does that seem like a reversal signal on 5 min?
(09:57 AM) dave_b_quick: are you an index trader, ovidutu?
(09:57 AM) dave_b_quick: Buffalo, NY, USA
(09:57 AM) ovidutu_1: No, by business is in shipping area
(09:57 AM) Buffy_04364: just an inside bar daniel
(09:57 AM) hanksterr: Buffy, I got mine in two days
(09:57 AM) ovidutu_1: dave
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: oh great handsterr
(09:58 AM) Daniel X: thnx 
(09:58 AM) Buffy_04364: now I know I am asking Howard
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(09:59 AM) bigrexxx: dollar futs +.20 at 113.4  bond futs +1/32 at 104-25
(09:59 AM) ab_18: Get stuff for the home..House for the stuff..Now a little stuffy.
(10:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: (not to make light of anyone or their plight or sound like i knew any better)
(10:00 AM) bigrexxx: thats +12/32 on bonds oops
(10:00 AM) bigrexxx: looks like retro was tricked into a buy there at 20ema1
(10:01 AM) Daniel X: yep
(10:02 AM) cctraderx: with that huge gap down, it may be ok
(10:02 AM) gravestonedoggie: keep in mind today is an option expiration, a summer friday, and a large gap is on the table
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(10:02 AM) bigrexxx: lotta 30min spooz traders around yest it broke above opening 30min bar then dove below that bar for the real bottom
(10:03 AM) cctraderx: plus greenspan speaks on Tues - so range may be defined
(10:04 AM) Buffy_04364: good ol greenie
(10:05 AM) cctraderx: yep
(10:05 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes
(10:06 AM) gravestonedoggie: 45 min sox looking a bit like a top formation?
(10:06 AM) gravestonedoggie: maybe i am just staring at the chart too hard though
(10:06 AM) bigrexxx: sox vlosed at 50day MA so another failure for it
(10:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: cboe p/c ratio yest was .96
(10:07 AM) Buffy_04364: great info guys
(10:09 AM) Buffy_04364: I have a time line coming up
(10:09 AM) gravestonedoggie: nyse trin was at an extreme 3 early... now about 2.2
(10:11 AM) bigrexxx: nastrin showed a 10 early now 2..94
(10:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: es some of the purest chop we have seen yet
(10:12 AM) bigrexxx: the 10 day trins are where they were at low of year
(10:12 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes
(10:12 AM) bigrexxx: mcclellan osc 2 minor change reading a whopper of a move is due
(10:12 AM) gravestonedoggie: here we go
(10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: tks all for this info it is great!
(10:16 AM) 4nq: 1536 bid to cover
(10:16 AM) Tom_B: anybody watching lvl2 nq ?
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(10:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: course, only thing that matters is PA
(10:18 AM) Buffy_04364: morning jimbo
(10:18 AM) cctraderx: tells a little about where the ask and bids are lined up and some minor support
(10:19 AM) cctraderx: or resistance
(10:19 AM) Tom_B: which platform ?
(10:19 AM) cctraderx: I just watch the market depth off of IB
(10:19 AM) Tom_B: ok
(10:19 AM) Tom_B: tnx
(10:20 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq and es test of yesst low
(10:20 AM) beanman_1: CCtrader.. you are wasting your time watching IB mkt depth..
(10:20 AM) Tom_B: nq back at the rim of the Grand Canyon
(10:20 AM) bigrexxx: just overall i'd say what worked yest may not work on a friday-- but we have record short interest and greeny tuesday normally causes short covering into that
(10:21 AM) cctraderx: I don't put a whole lot in it....as gsd says, maybe another distraction
(10:21 AM) Buffy_04364: yep the price action is the footprints of the money  :-)
(10:21 AM) beanman_1: CC trader.. Globex/CME has a feature that allow some that want to buy/sell say 100 lots to break it up and disguise it as a multiple 5 lots or 10 lots..
(10:22 AM) 4nq: covered @36
(10:22 AM) Tom_B: prob get bounce here
(10:22 AM) cctraderx: thanks beanman
(10:22 AM) Tom_B: nice
(10:22 AM) bigrexxx: qqq has a .786 fib at 37.85 range 34-52
(10:22 AM) Daniel X: tes lod 32
(10:22 AM) gravestonedoggie: msft is under 63 now
(10:22 AM) Daniel X: yes erday low 32
(10:22 AM) jimbo_320: beanman, but ib shows total bid ask, if they are for sale then it should see them ?
(10:23 AM) beanman_1: I have a globex terminal...even the CME does not broadcast the depth of the mkt for the ES and NQ anymore.. but they do show time/sales.
(10:23 AM) gravestonedoggie: gap down and then continuation
(10:24 AM) ab_18: ran out of sellers?
(10:24 AM) beanman_1: I would not play those jedi mind games with the bid and aks Jimbo... Members of the CME and clearing firms can trade eminins for less than 50c a RT...
(10:25 AM) Buffy_04364: might have
(10:25 AM) 4nq: 10yr got within a tick of contract high
(10:25 AM) jimbo_320: bargain,how do i join then ? lol
(10:26 AM) Tom_B: let's pool, get a terminal & trade as agroup... lol
(10:26 AM) beanman_1: Go buy a seat..on the CME $$$, you cannot compete with them at scalping.. they are the house..
(10:27 AM) dave_b_quick: how much to buy a seat? only about $100k or so?
(10:27 AM) Tom_B: u can lease
(10:27 AM) Buffy_04364: ppusa - when we have large gaps up or down on the open doesn't it make the larger TF on PnF not trigger for the day?
(10:27 AM) 4nq: full CME seats r 750k
(10:28 AM) beanman_1: But there are guys that watch the floor from above and trade electronically of Globex based on body action, etc
(10:28 AM) jimbo_320: dave can get us one with the spoils of retro ....
(10:28 AM) Buffy_04364:  LOL
(10:28 AM) dave_b_quick: wow, trading from home is OK i guess even at $6 RT it'll take me a lotta trades to get to $750k LOL
(10:29 AM) cctraderx: lol
(10:29 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:29 AM) beanman_1: And your sitting at your home paying 10RT, with dial-u[p or DSL.. while they have direct connection.. visucal conttact , 50cents RT....equals unfair advantage
(10:29 AM) gravestonedoggie: 125,000 trades.. some of us may make it
(10:30 AM) Daniel X: Retro still short from1551.50
(10:30 AM) jimbo_320: but we have an unfair advantage, retro lol
(10:31 AM) Daniel X: Retro stop moved to45
(10:31 AM) 4nq: beanman, what r current "fees" for members trading e-mini??
(10:32 AM) Daniel X: looking to add a contract at possible 15 min inside bar low
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(10:34 AM) ab_18: could get serious
(10:34 AM) cctraderx: yep
(10:34 AM) Daniel X: guess not no contract added no new signal
(10:36 AM) dave_b_quick: dan, what about break of first 15m to downside for 2nd?
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(10:36 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks daniel
(10:37 AM) jimbo_320: sox 555
(10:37 AM) ab_18: nx floor numbers coming?
(10:38 AM) Daniel X: Retro still short from 51.50 stop @45
(10:38 AM) jimbo_320: and 1534, entry signal 2
(10:39 AM) elly_34: there is no trail stop on retro?
(10:39 AM) jimbo_320: only 120 to april lows, we might even get there today at this rate lol
(10:39 AM) 4nq: this is ugly
(10:40 AM) rambler_12: 5 pts i think elly
(10:40 AM) 4nq: 10yr high of contract@10628
(10:40 AM) 4nq: smell the blood?
(10:40 AM) 4nq: time for PPT
(10:41 AM) 4nq: if they have any of our money left
(10:42 AM) Daniel X: Jimbo i guess u can add a contract @ 34
(10:43 AM) bigrexxx: vix 26.26 up 10.2%
(10:43 AM) bigrexxx: intc -6.2%
(10:43 AM) bigrexxx: msft -2.8%
(10:44 AM) Daniel X: ELLY trail stop is moved to last swing high only
(10:44 AM) elly_34: thanks
(10:45 AM) Chris2811: hi, heavy volumr today
(10:46 AM) jimbo_320: csco for 16$
(10:46 AM) Daniel X: 1 contract @51.50  stp @45 then added 1 more contract @ 34 stop @39 so both stops moved to lets see how about 39
(10:47 AM) jimbo_320: chris yep, 1300 contracts/min traded at 64 on es
(10:48 AM) ab_18: may reverse here
(10:48 AM) Tom_B: where's the vol ?
(10:48 AM) ab_18: dn
(10:48 AM) Daniel X: Retro out on break above  5 min inside bar
(10:49 AM) 4nq: short again
(10:49 AM) jimbo_320: dan, not waiting for 2B?
(10:49 AM) Daniel X: Dave what do u think?
(10:50 AM) dave_b_quick: nice trading, dan
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: no i mean the exit...thnx
(10:50 AM) 4nq: covering short
(10:50 AM) Daniel X: market out on beak above 5 min inside bar?
(10:51 AM) bigrexxx: 11:02am was buy program yest
(10:51 AM) dave_b_quick: good exit point, but jimbo probably right about retest
(10:52 AM) Daniel X: thnx
(10:52 AM) Buffy_04364: nice going
(10:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: trin is 3.66... high level
(10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: yep
(10:53 AM) 4nq: ATHM got down to $.85.......been lookin to buy that since 30! lol
(10:53 AM) bigrexxx: this tick just won't stay down 2 dumps below flat today both reversed right away
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: tks bigrexx
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: we just went through a time line on pyra
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: might just be a bear flag though
(10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: the pullback
(10:55 AM) hanksterr: what TF buffy
(10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: 5M
(10:56 AM) hanksterr: ty
(10:56 AM) Daniel X: Retro +25.5 on 2 contract combined
(10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: good ol RETRO go go
(10:56 AM) bigrexxx: very nice! charts won't come up 8/17
(10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: want a chart posted hank?
(10:56 AM) ab_18: pullback may be over just before the hour
(10:57 AM) dave_b_quick: rexx, the charts are coming up here.  Anybody else having trouble?
(10:57 AM) Buffy_04364: coming up here also
(10:57 AM) Daniel X: Buffy not sure if Retro came out but Retro X did
(10:57 AM) bigrexxx: k thx
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: lol ok daniel
(10:58 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL dan looks like it was a good move anyway
(10:58 AM) Daniel X: lol
(10:58 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(10:58 AM) bigrexxx: got it on IE was just my buggy netscape prob 
(10:59 AM) ab_18: ready to sell
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: yep netscape does have it problems
(10:59 AM) Daniel X: well by Retro rules his stops are still @ 39
(10:59 AM) dave_b_quick: didn't know netscape was still out there
(10:59 AM) Daniel X: i think
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: my sons had me switch to IE a long time ago - didn't really want to then but glad I did now
(10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL Dave
(10:59 AM) dave_b_quick: 41.5 here
(11:00 AM) bigrexxx: i'm running a beta IE it's better than ever
(11:00 AM) hanksterr: buffy got it thanks
(11:00 AM) 4nq: sold nq
(11:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: yest low a possible R area
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: I didn't post one hank cause I didn't see you ask for it
(11:00 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i fot against going to IE, but with BGates' torpedoes aimed at netscape it became necessary
(11:00 AM) Buffy_04364: hang on will do
(11:01 AM) rambler_12: good to hear bigr
(11:01 AM) hanksterr: buffy, you don't need to post for me
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(11:03 AM) Daniel X: looking for a target to add a 3rd retro contract
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: oh well sorry didn't read this until done  :-)
(11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: np
(11:04 AM) hanksterr: ty  for all your help and also the typing you do for the courses
(11:04 AM) 4nq: bidding 28 for half
(11:04 AM) Daniel X: looking to add a 3rd contract @ 26 break of 15 min inside bar
(11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: I enjoy it all hank thanks
(11:05 AM) Daniel X: Rtro stops moved to 35.50
(11:05 AM) dave_b_quick: 36
(11:06 AM) dave_b_quick: 34.50
(11:06 AM) Daniel X: keep going 
(11:06 AM) Daniel X: lol
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: dave can you post a chart of the 5M?
(11:07 AM) leont_2_1: that would help
(11:07 AM) Buffy_04364: I want to compare data
(11:08 AM) Daniel X: 1 tick outside 5 min swing high? is 35.50
(11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: that is what I show daniel
(11:08 AM) Daniel X:  no 36
(11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: 36
(11:08 AM) Daniel X: kewl
(11:08 AM) Daniel X: thnx
(11:08 AM) Buffy_04364: next bar away from high would be daves 34.50
(11:09 AM) jimbo_320: having problems here, first  isp goes down then charts..
(11:09 AM) dave_b_quick: 34.50 is above downbar in case of higher low
(11:09 AM) Buffy_04364: ok higher low in lets see if we have a higher high
(11:09 AM) Buffy_04364: ok I see
(11:09 AM) Daniel X: ok i see gotcha
(11:09 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks for clarifying
(11:10 AM) jimbo_320: selling 1526?
(11:10 AM) Daniel X: adding 
(11:11 AM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 5M
(11:11 AM) Daniel X: although 5 min EMAs going flat
(11:12 AM) jimbo_320: retro exit at  34?
(11:12 AM) 4nq: covered shorts
(11:12 AM) 4nq: flat
(11:12 AM) Daniel X: PnF signaling possible continueation up ...5 min 3 box
(11:12 AM) Buffy_04364: k
(11:12 AM) jimbo_320: es looks like pot bottom, no volume yet though
(11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: tks all for info
(11:13 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA you're not hurtin are you?
(11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: great having all these eyes!
(11:13 AM) Daniel X: ditto
(11:14 AM) cctraderx: did ppusa cover his longs yesterday?
(11:14 AM) Daniel X: hope so
(11:15 AM) Daniel X: had break even chance
(11:15 AM) Daniel X: 90 i think
(11:15 AM) 2Devs: I don't know him but... you gotta have them to protect the profit!
(11:16 AM) Daniel X: may your longs go up and your shorts go down
(11:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(11:17 AM) gravestonedoggie: just as long as no video
(11:17 AM) Daniel X: giggle
(11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: giggle
(11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: yep no video
(11:17 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq not going down
(11:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: a little refusal
(11:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: rejection
(11:18 AM) Daniel X: Retro stopped 35.50
(11:18 AM) jimbo_320: 70 on es should find sellers
(11:19 AM) gravestonedoggie: p/c ratio extremely high, but always possible an expiration distortion
(11:20 AM) Daniel X: 51.50 on 1 = + 16 and 34 on 2nd = -1.5 so   + 14.5 on the day
(11:20 AM) Daniel X: Retro 
(11:21 AM) leont_2_1: is retro going long at this point?
(11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: nice to have someone track during the day
(11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: posted 2M as hitting flag TL drawn earlier
(11:21 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq posible 2b on 45 min, with broken trnedline and then new low, etc
(11:22 AM) gravestonedoggie: if 2b, then should be thrust.. if no thrust, then no 2b.. i believe
(11:22 AM) Daniel X: Retro entry @ 41.50 stop limit long
(11:23 AM) Daniel X: although Dave is still in I think
(11:23 AM) Daniel X: !!
(11:23 AM) Daniel X: nah reversal on 5 min 
(11:23 AM) leont_2_1: why at 41.50 previous 15 min already exceeded as well as5 min bars?
(11:24 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, reversal confirmed at 33.50 by retro 1-2-3 rule
(11:24 AM) Daniel X:  thnx
(11:24 AM) leont_2_1: purely  for educational purposes no wagering please
(11:24 AM) bigrexxx: 41.4 will be thru the 20ema5 also
(11:24 AM) gravestonedoggie: market like my cat.. long periods of inertia, and occasional burst of activity
(11:24 AM) Daniel X: wow i beat retro by 3.5 points!!!!!
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: "today"
(11:25 AM) dave_b_quick: retro freestyle
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: Retro X style
(11:25 AM) jimbo_320: out nq  +9
(11:25 AM) Daniel X: good 
(11:25 AM) jimbo_320: long that is
(11:25 AM) dave_b_quick: i'm sure there are many ways to improve the retro rules, opent to suggestions 
(11:25 AM) Indycator: gsd....lol
(11:25 AM) leont_2_1: dave read above 
(11:26 AM) leont_2_1: please
(11:26 AM) Daniel X: i'm finding really tough Dave to improve 
(11:27 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone have mikes REI and IF up?  
(11:27 AM) jimbo_320: dave, i've noticed the first 30, tends to give a lot of losers.
(11:27 AM) dave_b_quick: what TF?
(11:27 AM) Buffy_04364: if so dbl loop on 3 and 5M?
(11:27 AM) Daniel X: LEONT i think top of huge 15 min downbar is less risky
(11:27 AM) Buffy_04364: yes jimbo it does might be better to use smaller tf for the open
(11:27 AM) dave_b_quick: i see it on the 5, buffy
(11:27 AM) jimbo_320: buffy or just scalp the open
(11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: that is possible too but to hang onto the rules and not make it a free for all the smaller TF might work better for retro
(11:28 AM) leont_2_1: i agree daniel but am i reading the rules right/
(11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: 9/3 maybe
(11:28 AM) ppusa: Goodmorning
(11:29 AM) dave_b_quick: good afternoon, ppusa
(11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: not quite Dave LOL
(11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: hi ppusa
(11:29 AM) ppusa: Did ya miss me?
(11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: yep
(11:29 AM) dave_b_quick: i'd like to come up with a rules-based scalp system for when the retro is sidelined in chop
(11:29 AM) ppusa: Did ya miss me?
(11:29 AM) jimbo_320: stoch getting o'bought
(11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: we were looking for you
(11:29 AM) dave_b_quick: missed ya bigtime, ppusa
(11:29 AM) bigrexxx: 'off the blocks ' is break of opening 5min bar in direction of main trend- didn't happen today
(11:30 AM) leont_2_1: it hit anyway
(11:30 AM) ppusa: Tired, slept in
(11:30 AM) 4nq: selliing nq
(11:30 AM) Buffy_04364: anyone still long here?
(11:30 AM) ppusa: Yes
(11:30 AM) jimbo_320: nope
(11:30 AM) Buffy_04364: nice
(11:31 AM) Daniel X: openning trade took 4 losers this week mon,tues,thurs,fri, but look at wed ...got it all back and then some
(11:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: es now right at yest low and at 5 min 20 ma... interesting point
(11:31 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, might be a way to better qualify retro's opening gambit
(11:32 AM) Buffy_04364: testing swing hihhg of 1027?
(11:32 AM) ppusa: Great moves today
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(11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: yes
(11:36 AM) Buffy_04364: there have been
(11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: this is also area of 1st hour low in es
(11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: key pivot
(11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq keeps going
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: needs to close over 45 IMO
(11:37 AM) Buffy_04364: then it might convince me :-)
(11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: thnx
(11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: trin gone from 3.6 back to 2.1
(11:37 AM) Daniel X: Dave but with the new add a contrcat rule 20 points negative @ worst and 80 points positive...up 60 points on the week just taking the opening trade...makes it real easy to see why you cannot deviate too much from the rules
(11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: es powers thru the pivot
(11:37 AM) Daniel X: 1552 Pivot
(11:38 AM) 4nq: selling nq
(11:38 AM) Daniel X: NQ
(11:38 AM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel
(11:38 AM) hanksterr: dave where is 5m stop now
(11:39 AM) dave_b_quick: haven't moved from 32
(11:39 AM) hanksterr: ty
(11:39 AM) Daniel X: Retro long from 36 Daniel X from 41.50
(11:39 AM) Daniel X: :-(
(11:41 AM) Daniel X: stop B/E not givin back a dime
(11:41 AM) gravestonedoggie: op woulda liked that nq bband action
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: gee, list of charts not too big - anyone got an interesting one to post?  If not maybe later the market will draw one
(11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(11:42 AM) Daniel X: ha ha
(11:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: gravestonedoggie(!) on 5 min es
(11:42 AM) Daniel X: remember Retro says friday afternoos are for fishing!
(11:42 AM) cctraderx: LOL- GSD
(11:43 AM) Daniel X: stopped b/e
(11:43 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(11:43 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe.. nice to be back on the charts
(11:44 AM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(11:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: top of the doggie at 70.00 could be a stop if short setup develops
(11:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: similarly, 47 on nq
(11:46 AM) ppusa: Should take out hour low of 39
(11:46 AM) gravestonedoggie: dod did participate much in the bounce
(11:47 AM) gravestonedoggie: dow
(11:47 AM) gravestonedoggie: hard to tell if my data still alive
(11:47 AM) ppusa: Buffy, I scrolled back and read some of the remarks. Regarding your question about PnF on a gap.
(11:48 AM) jimbo_320: amzn for 9.7 bucks, in 50 yrs we will say 'i remember when ..'
(11:48 AM) ppusa: As of the close yesterday, all shorter term PnF's that were overextended had corrected.
(11:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: in 50 yrs, i hope i can remember when
(11:49 AM) jimbo_320: course you will gsd...
(11:49 AM) ppusa: The last one to correct was the 50. The 75 is not overextended. Ripe for a reversal but not overextended. 
(11:50 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(11:50 AM) 4nq: covering half of shorts@40
(11:50 AM) gravestonedoggie: maybe if they get that stem cell thing going
(11:50 AM) ppusa: PnF suggests here a new low
(11:50 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks ppusa
(11:51 AM) gravestonedoggie: or the refrigerator thing
(11:51 AM) jimbo_320: stem, from 7.5 to 3.79 in a few short weeks, hmmmm, someone thinks not
(11:51 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(11:51 AM) Buffy_04364: see we were looking for you  :-)
(11:52 AM) 4nq: covering 25%
(11:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: the ole gravestonedoggie delivers.. hehe
(11:53 AM) 4nq: will cover runners @1395!!!!!!!!!
(11:53 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL usually does
(11:53 AM) ppusa: The longer term charts are all in sell signals. The shortr term charts are all overextended up to this rally. Therefore, this pullback is due and then we go one way or the other. But if we make a new low, I would be a buyer say 10 or so points down. Of course if we hold this pullback and go through 47, I would run for cover. if I was short.  
(11:54 AM) ppusa: That is my interpretation.
(11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: thanks ppusa
(11:54 AM) 4nq: do u have a position on??
(11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: yes
(11:54 AM) ppusa: Yes, I sold one yesterday and holding one here
(11:55 AM) ppusa: i sold that bounce to 47 but already covered
(11:55 AM) Ensign Software: how did the Pyrapoint chat go yesterday?
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: It went great Howard
(11:55 AM) 4nq: covering runners
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: Dave is going to pull the charts and post on website
(11:55 AM) 4nq: flat
(11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: I am going to edit the test and he will post that also
(11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: did you get my message asking about the book?
(11:56 AM) dave_b_quick: the pyra charts are on the links page under "PyraPoint"
(11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: beanman did a GREAT job
(11:56 AM) 4nq: good luck to all of you.......bye
(11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: bye 4nq
(11:58 AM) Ensign Software: have not read e-mail yet, been busy on projects
(11:58 AM) ppusa: Does anyone know if any of us have any legal problems based on agreements we signed with the Exchanges, etc.
(11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: ok still don't have it yet
(11:59 AM) Ensign Software: I sent inquiry e-mail about book ship date, and no reply yet.
(11:59 AM) Buffy_04364: k really surprised taking so long
(12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: of course used to amazon  :-)
(12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: but others here say it only took days
(12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: everyone inquiring about the book last night - ensign website does have it at a lower price than elsewhere I believe
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: howard can correct me if I am wrong
(12:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: trin near 3 again
(12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: tks GSD
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(12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: guess Howard left he did post a pyra for us
(12:04 PM) bigrexxx: what rule was it that retro short at 1552?
(12:04 PM) bigrexxx: play #2
(12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: oh after the market closes Roger has agreed to help me set up the templates I lost on reinstall and have forgotten everything I knew about them.  So if anyone wants to stick around that is what will be discussed
(12:05 PM) jimbo_320: out es short +4.5
(12:05 PM) rambler_12: <---is glad buffy forgot everything : )
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: just about the templates thanks heavens
(12:06 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(12:06 PM) rambler_12: : )
(12:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice jimbo.. what triggered you in up there?
(12:08 PM) ppusa: NQ had a lot of down hours and needed the 47 it hit to get a higher high. 
(12:09 PM) jimbo_320: i had 1170 as key resistance, so put a s limit got filled on the spike up, waited for restest, probably sell off now i'm out, i should start adding more contracts i think and taking half at my objective and letting the rest run
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(12:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: what said 70 as R?
(12:12 PM) bigrexxx: like you said  yest low +20ema5
(12:12 PM) jimbo_320: top of tl, i didnt expect it to hit 100ema at 72 , whole numbers with 00's seem to work well
(12:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think yest low and 20 ma was around 68.50
(12:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: thnx jmbo
(12:13 PM) jimbo_320: i'll post a chart gsd.
(12:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: thnx
(12:19 PM) jimbo_320: jimbo1.gif
(12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: what is esp1cm jimbo?
(12:20 PM) jimbo_320: e-emini es
(12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: oh ok silly me
(12:20 PM) gravestonedoggie: wow, very nice
(12:20 PM) jimbo_320: thx
(12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: very nice 
(12:20 PM) gravestonedoggie: so youu rely heavily on the tl's for your trades, i take it?
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: they work very well GSD
(12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: along with candles IMO
(12:21 PM) jimbo_320: yes, i can get in with little risk at support resistance
(12:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c.. smart.. thnx
(12:23 PM) jimbo_320: theres always the chance of a big clunk and a big winner, although i didnt expect one here, i try to always have a target,
(12:23 PM) jimbo_320: my target on is 70 now
(12:23 PM) ppusa: NQ hit a time line 8 minutes ago which is exactly when this little rally started.
(12:25 PM) jimbo_320: works better on days without much swing on the candle size, chop increase the risk
(12:27 PM) elly_34: anyone having trouble with qcharts?
(12:27 PM) luv-to-trade: yes, at times it is a little behind quote.com's free charts
(12:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: qcharts fine here.. on bostonr04
(12:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c... that is a 3 min cahrt, i see
(12:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: i guess i need to look at tl's morre, as i believe they work, but i dont have enough confidence in them to actually place a trade based on one... need to convince myself
(12:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: those kinds of examples sure help
(12:30 PM) ppusa: I think today's story is the same as yesteday. If we get much above 47, the market will go for the HOD. The 5 and 15's are starting to turn up.
(12:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah, some would see cup and handle on 5 min
(12:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: not me, though
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(12:33 PM) ppusa: I have us on a tl now on an hour chart so I guess we go either way here.
(12:33 PM) jimbo_320: gsd, the key is to  go with the trend always,never against, i had tried that many times and been wrong mostly
(12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: I get chopped to death when I try it
(12:33 PM) gravestonedoggie: that's for sure
(12:33 PM) reset_3: stocastic divergen in 4 min 
(12:34 PM) reset_3: down
(12:34 PM) ppusa: I see a cup and a few ticks lower, I'll see a handle.
(12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't make higher high eitehr
(12:35 PM) ppusa: Does anyone think a break of 47 is not a long position?
(12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: since many more are here let me repeat the invitation the room has
(12:35 PM) Buffy_04364: it is a chat session on the Wycoff method
(12:36 PM) jimbo_320: now i am long from 66 with a stop now at 66, if it hits 70, i take profits or, if it looks weak i get stopped or bail
(12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: www.ltg-trading.com/chat/chat1.html
(12:37 PM) ppusa: handle is in
(12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: chat is held on Tues Weds and Thurs evening on different subject
(12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: 8CT-9EST
(12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: password is "build"
(12:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c, jmbo, based on the lower tl.. thnx
(12:38 PM) ppusa: jimbo, wouldn't 70 be a breakout?
(12:39 PM) luv-to-trade: dow is breaking down a little now
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(12:41 PM) jimbo_320: upside
(12:41 PM) luv-to-trade: ok, thanks
(12:42 PM) ppusa: Normally any rally doesn't start to later.
(12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard just told me this is ensign's 20th aniversary
(12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: wow need that spell checker :-)
(12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave conservative sell on the 5M?  
(12:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: gold is up $5
(12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: stikes me as a lot
(12:43 PM) ppusa: triangle
(12:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, that is a big move for gold
(12:44 PM) dave_b_quick: buffy, doesn't the SL have to be below the BL?
(12:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: silver is up over 5 cents
(12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: you are right Dave - is is below in 3 and 12 jumping the gun I guess
(12:45 PM) leont_2_1: dave slandbl?
(12:45 PM) leont_2_1:  repeat sl/bl?
(12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: this is all stuff you learn taking Mikes class leont
(12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: sl is slow line
(12:45 PM) Buffy_04364: bl is base line
(12:45 PM) leont_2_1: stochastics?
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: his indicators have been written in espl script
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: I think a stochastics of 533 is close though
(12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: or is it 5/2/2 Dave
(12:46 PM) leont_2_1: thanks
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: doing a refresher course here
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: But Mike teaches it very well and uses it in all TF
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: 3 inside bars on 3M
(12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe 2 on 5M
(12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: winding up for something BB are tight also
(12:48 PM) luv-to-trade: actually similar on 1 min. chart too
(12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: being good and only down to 2M and 75T today  :-)
(12:49 PM) luv-to-trade: a lot of buyers are coming in....
(12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: at what price
(12:50 PM) luv-to-trade: 1539.50
(12:50 PM) cctraderx: mike - stoch 5/2/2
(12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks cc couldn't remember which
(12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(12:51 PM) cctraderx: u welc, its the sub for rei
(12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: I use the espl with the IF
(12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why I couldn't remember
(12:51 PM) ppusa: 30 minute chart biased towards renewed sell off
(12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: of course could of dug the manual out LOL
(12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: tks ppusa
(12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I lean that way too but don't know why yet
(12:52 PM) ppusa: Who knows, I don't here.
(12:53 PM) ppusa: I know I go if we get above 47 area.
(12:53 PM) luv-to-trade: FWIW, I sold 1539
(12:54 PM) ppusa: Looks like the handle may turn into a pouring spout!
(12:55 PM) luv-to-trade: need to break 36 or I am bailing
(12:56 PM) Buffy_04364: me too luv
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: we sink or swim together
(12:57 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(12:57 PM) ppusa: Nice 1-2-3 this morning to put in the high. To tired to trade and went back to sleep.
(12:57 PM) luv-to-trade: lol Buffy :)
(12:57 PM) Daniel X: Retro entry short @B @break of 15 min inside bar @38
(12:58 PM) ppusa: 35.5 last hours low. 
(12:58 PM) Daniel X: 2b?
(12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: that is good news!
(12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks daniel
(12:58 PM) jimbo_320: choppy
(12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: stop at 39.50 here
(12:58 PM) luv-to-trade: what did you get in at Buffy?
(12:58 PM) Buffy_04364: same as you
(12:59 PM) Buffy_04364: 39
(12:59 PM) luv-to-trade: k
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: Buffy can u confirm a 2B?
(12:59 PM) Buffy_04364: on waht TF
(12:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: this is really slow
(12:59 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is GSD
(12:59 PM) Daniel X: 15 min or 5min?
(12:59 PM) jimbo_320: volume indicates flag, not bottom so far
(12:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: i really hope that things get better after labor day
(12:59 PM) Buffy_04364: it is a test of last swing low daniel
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: hasn't gone below so not 2B but a 1-2-3  Dave and I right?
(01:00 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(01:00 PM) cctraderx: y
(01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks cc
(01:01 PM) Daniel X: 2B are only at hod lod?
(01:01 PM) Buffy_04364: thought so but so much other stuff going on my head not really focused on this  which I know is a no no
(01:01 PM) Daniel X: ok
(01:02 PM) Buffy_04364: can be at any swing high or low on retest
(01:02 PM) luv-to-trade: do you have a target?
(01:02 PM) Buffy_04364: oh 2b has to take it out
(01:02 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(01:02 PM) Buffy_04364: 1528 area first
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(01:03 PM) luv-to-trade: me too, but I sure would like 24 :))
(01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: moved stop to 37
(01:03 PM) Buffy_04364: 1528 area last swing low below one that just failed
(01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: 1529 / 1528
(01:04 PM) luv-to-trade: thanks for saying something,  I always forget to move my stop
(01:04 PM) luv-to-trade: I get too into the move
(01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: 36 now
(01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra also says 1529
(01:05 PM) Daniel X: ooohhhh i see now it's a 1-2-3 ok gotcha thanx
(01:05 PM) luv-to-trade: dow made new low!
(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: 35
(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks lub
(01:05 PM) Buffy_04364: luv
(01:06 PM) luv-to-trade: lub - lol
(01:06 PM) Daniel X: Retro short from 1-2-3 reversal on 5 min sold break below 15 min inside bar @38.
(01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: and that was music to my ears daniel
(01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(01:06 PM) jimbo_320: es lod test
(01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: or should say eyes
(01:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: tough lub for the bulls
(01:07 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is GSD
(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: running stops tight cause it is friday and double witching and I don't trust it :-)
(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: take my few and run can always reenter
(01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: out
(01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: now will follow the pullback for 3-6 bars
(01:09 PM) Daniel X: true
(01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar or reversal on 5M
(01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ?
(01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: below 20ema so still only looking for shorts
(01:11 PM) Daniel X: saw that
(01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm rambling too much here sorry folks
(01:12 PM) jimbo_320: tick doing nothing here
(01:12 PM) Daniel X: 5 min EMAs flat
(01:12 PM) Daniel X: too flat
(01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: the kitties just don't understand my ramblings :-)
(01:13 PM) rambler_12: my job buf
(01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought of a ? to ask the group last night
(01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: where is everyone from?
(01:14 PM) jimbo_320: if es holds pot 2b
(01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: as you most probably all know Maine here
(01:14 PM) elly_34: oregon
(01:15 PM) ppusa: where in OR?
(01:15 PM) Tom_B: chgo
(01:15 PM) ppusa: Bend
(01:15 PM) Daniel X: Retro takes the gas money +5 and goes fishin...Retro X wants more but takes 15 min lunch break!
(01:15 PM) elly_34: Bend?
(01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: well can't get much more coast to coast than that
(01:15 PM) Daniel X: be back
(01:15 PM) elly_34: between Medford and Klamath Falls on Hwy 140
(01:15 PM) fcb37uk: not surprisingly - UK
(01:15 PM) ppusa: You Bend? Me Lake Tahoe
(01:16 PM) elly_34: oh i thought u were saying u were from Bend
(01:16 PM) elly_34: i'm closer to medford/ashland area
(01:16 PM) ppusa: I have friends in Bend, well, people I know anyway.
(01:16 PM) elly_34: Bend is nice
(01:16 PM) ppusa: y
(01:16 PM) luv-to-trade: macd just crossed upwards on 1 min. 
(01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up here
(01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(01:18 PM) QSuzy: Hi everyone.....just logging in after having root canal this morn.....I'm in San Antonio TX...
(01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: did you folks see that website I just posted?
(01:18 PM) elly_34: posted it here?
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: there is an interview with Teresa Lo there I just got an email from her
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.innerworth.com/masterinterview/iwinterview.asp
(01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: it is a site on the psycology of trading and she is the first one to be interviewed
(01:20 PM) ppusa: that officially qualifies as a retest of the lows although it was probably nothing more than the 30 minute chart gettiing ahead of itself, and we will go lower.
(01:21 PM) ppusa: You know with all these pyro charts, we willhave time lines coming up every minute
(01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't go lower than the 4M ppusa
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: so ppusa some weekend are you going to figure out how to post charts and then hold a Monday discussion?
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: I would love to see all these PnF work together
(01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: sure others would too
(01:24 PM) ppusa: yes
(01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: great
(01:24 PM) ppusa: but can't you creat a couple (like take a look at a 50)
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: let us know so it can be posted on teh website
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: so people will know about it
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe a shot of whole layout?
(01:25 PM) 2Devs: Istill see the gap at 1164.20 SP1U that can be filled very easily.  Also another one down on 4/04 at 1134.70.  
(01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: for us to follow along with
(01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: brb
(01:27 PM) elly_34: nice article, ty
(01:29 PM) ppusa: Buffy when you say whole layout, do you mean my whole desktop of 4 monitors?
(01:30 PM) ppusa: Can I do that or just 1 chart at a time?
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(01:35 PM) ppusa: hello?
(01:36 PM) ppusa: knock knock
(01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: or maybe one at a time ppusa
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: snagit can grab my 3 monitors at one time
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: brb = be right back
(01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: I just got back
(01:38 PM) ppusa: is snag it an application separate from EW
(01:38 PM) ppusa: ok
(01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is
(01:39 PM) ppusa: how do you place a PnF in a study window rather on top of bars?
(01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: www.techsmith.com is info on it
(01:39 PM) Owlee123: buffy, are you running 3 applications, or one application with 3 monitors?
(01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: go to properties and change the window
(01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: on app with 3 monitors
(01:39 PM) Owlee123: how do u get the monitors to work?
(01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: howard said he just go through with the scaling and hopes to have it uploaded soon
(01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: I have 3 video cards
(01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: not a dual head
(01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: hang over from old win98 days
(01:40 PM) pete77_1: Doea anyone know the margin requirement for ES  now? I can't find it on the CME site.  Thanks
(01:40 PM) Daniel X: triangle break down
(01:40 PM) cctraderx: 4313 3450
(01:40 PM) Owlee123: are you seeing the same scrrens on all 3? if not how can you seperate them?
(01:40 PM) Daniel X: 5 min
(01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I just stretch the ensign layout across all 3 monitors
(01:41 PM) Daniel X: 36 PnF #
(01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: then put the charts in
(01:41 PM) Owlee123: tks. i'm on TS
(01:41 PM) pete77_1: Thanks cctraderx
(01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: oh I don't know a thing about that one owlee
(01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: sorry
(01:42 PM) Owlee123: thats ok
(01:42 PM) pete77_1: Owlee: It works the same with TS, I have 4 monitors
(01:42 PM) jimbo_320: needs up push here
(01:42 PM) pete77_1: 4 video cards
(01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: I think there is a 30 day trial of snag it ppusa
(01:44 PM) Owlee123: petei,  understand the multiple video cards.  how do you get diffrnt charts on diff monitors
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: well everyone Teresa just informed me that this room has been listed in the openhouse section of her website at www.trendvue.com
(01:44 PM) ppusa: Buffy, do you think it is possible to have say 4 pnf's on one chart?
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: isn't that great?
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: no I don't
(01:44 PM) dave_b_quick: the snagit trial doesn't run out, just gives you a nag when you start it
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: has to be the same TF on all
(01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: I bought it and had the cd shipped here
(01:44 PM) ppusa: I'll fool with it
(01:44 PM) reset_3: does any one know if there a video card for multipes monitors for laptops ?
(01:44 PM) cctraderx: PETE77_1  try this    http://www.cme.com/clearing/pbrates/PBISOutrightEQ.htm
(01:45 PM) ppusa: is there an extra pci slot?
(01:45 PM) dave_b_quick: reset, try www.matrox.com i'm not sure tho
(01:45 PM) ppusa: had problems with multiple Matrox cards.
(01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: I am not sure if that is out there either - must be though
(01:45 PM) ppusa: One ok, 2 no good.
(01:46 PM) ppusa: their dual may be fine but too expensive
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: I have heard of that problem before ppusa and others run 3 of them with no problem
(01:46 PM) ppusa: cheap cards work great
(01:46 PM) jimbo_320: matrox do a dual head for 2 monitors, g450 for 100$
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: I think it has to do with the motherboard
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: do you run two of them jimbo?
(01:46 PM) ispe_bc: 15 M inside bar NQ
(01:46 PM) ppusa: multiples lost their bios
(01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: with my luck I would spend the money and it wouldn't work
(01:46 PM) pete77_1: Owlee  I use 1 monitor for chat and broker, spreas TS over theother 3, arranging charts any way you want.
(01:47 PM) GGriz: at risk of ................. does anyone think sp went long at 1202 CT?
(01:47 PM) GGriz: central time
(01:47 PM) Owlee123: tks. i have to find the time to try
(01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: dave the conservative sell now right on the 5M?
(01:48 PM) Daniel X: in the apex 5 min
(01:48 PM) jimbo_320: no, one at 1600 by 1400, but i was considering getting one, win 2000 apparently works well with them
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: ready for a fakeout here
(01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: TDN.net has matrox G450 16Mb dual video card for $85
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: and watching for poke bar
(01:48 PM) ppusa: There is a list of video cards that work on microsoft's web site. Can't use just any card.
(01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: true ppusa
(01:48 PM) pete77_1: Owlee: Works with both 98 and 2000, but 2000 is very fussy about compaticility betenn you video cards.
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: that is why that machine doesn't have a printer on it
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: it wasn't on the list
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: I think 2000 is fussy about monitors too
(01:49 PM) pete77_1: compatibility
(01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: wouldn't let me use one of the first sony 17" with a new kds 19"
(01:50 PM) pete77_1: I have four different brad of monitors, one an LCD
(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: although the thought was offered later that if I had made the kds a primary it would of work
(01:50 PM) pete77_1: brand
(01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: but already had a new one
(01:51 PM) ppusa: still can't break downtrend in tact.
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: this is some triangle on the 12M also
(01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah, I just lost a few points
(01:51 PM) ppusa: long or short?
(01:51 PM) Owlee123: tks
(01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I tried a short
(01:52 PM) jimbo_320: long from 64
(01:53 PM) GGriz: jimbo, u adding here?
(01:53 PM) ppusa: according to what I have picked up in this room, no goey long until break above downtrend.
(01:54 PM) jimbo_320: i might, but it looks like we might get another retest of 64
(01:54 PM) GGriz: ty
(01:57 PM) reset_3: this room if so helpfull evry one is dieing to help each other and the amount of information that has been giving here is unbelieble
(01:58 PM) Daniel X: Retro X short from 33.50
(01:58 PM) ppusa: Every rally has been contained by the 50 bar 5 minute moving average.
(01:58 PM) Daniel X: ditt reset
(01:59 PM) ppusa: if this room is so helpful, why am I always getting an AW?
(01:59 PM) Daniel X: AW?
(01:59 PM) ppusa: whipping
(01:59 PM) cctraderx: LOL
(01:59 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:00 PM) cctraderx: how are U getting one today?
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: just follw Retro PPUSA
(02:00 PM) ppusa: I hear ya
(02:00 PM) jimbo_320: is it witching today?
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: u came out B/E yesterday?
(02:00 PM) ppusa: I am glad you are doing that Dan. I think you have found something that suits you
(02:00 PM) Daniel X: yes jimbo
(02:01 PM) cctraderx: 2x witching
(02:01 PM) ppusa: I'm fine
(02:01 PM) jimbo_320: thx
(02:01 PM) Daniel X: ok
(02:01 PM) ppusa: But if i was more patient...
(02:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: you can get cuaght in a postion here and be tortured wating
(02:01 PM) ppusa: yesterday was a give me
(02:01 PM) Daniel X: gotcha
(02:02 PM) ppusa: perfect setup for PnF...this morning too.
(02:02 PM) elly_34: daniel are u trading the retro now or just following it?
(02:02 PM) ppusa: but oh no, I have this other agenda
(02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: reset glad you like it here
(02:03 PM) Daniel X: Yes PnF for me showed sell signal @ 66
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(02:03 PM) Daniel X: so entry was 63 i guess
(02:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think we are too smart
(02:04 PM) Daniel X: GSD yes too smart and too emotional
(02:04 PM) ppusa: when we turned up yesterday, PnF said we would have a good run
(02:04 PM) elly_34: see my question daniel x?
(02:04 PM) Buffy_04364: any chance of shorts covering today too?
(02:04 PM) ppusa: right now walking down ma's says we will collapse
(02:04 PM) Daniel X: we did to 90s
(02:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: a robot would be a better trader than I
(02:04 PM) ppusa: wait for the gravy
(02:05 PM) GGriz: I have an article on that graves: pigeons can take every setup
(02:05 PM) Daniel X: GSD trade Retro Robot
(02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I have one book that says we are to be monkey's during the day and just push buttons when signals given and do all the thinking when market closed  LOL
(02:05 PM) Daniel X: elly no hold on
(02:05 PM) ppusa: ru short now?
(02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL daniel
(02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: me yes
(02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: for better or worse
(02:06 PM) jimbo_320: i am out  +1, looks to clunky for me
(02:06 PM) GGriz: this is Coiled up REALLY TIGHT
(02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: Teresa Lo maybe stopping in last hour to say hi
(02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is GGriz
(02:07 PM) jimbo_320: too risky if it tanks and they pull the bids
(02:07 PM) GGriz: time line on pyra
(02:07 PM) Uyen_Mi: I think NAZ   will bounce
(02:08 PM) Daniel X: Elly yes I'm short from 34.50
(02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: yes there is ggriz
(02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: missed this one tks
(02:08 PM) jimbo_320: yes, i have a nice three resests on declining volume, think it bill bounce, but i'll get back in later
(02:09 PM) jimbo_320: 100 period ema is appraoching fast
(02:09 PM) GGriz: don't know why I wanted to buy it
(02:09 PM) GGriz: just fade me
(02:09 PM) Daniel X: looking for PnF to print a bearish triangle
(02:09 PM) Uyen_Mi: I think   good  day to  buy
(02:10 PM) GGriz: this IS traders anon right?
(02:10 PM) luv-to-trade: I am short from 33
(02:10 PM) luv-to-trade: dow just made new low again
(02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL right GG
(02:10 PM) GGriz: Hi, I'm Griz: Fade Me
(02:10 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:10 PM) jimbo_320: naz will bring down the es today
(02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: we have all had days that we felt that way GG
(02:10 PM) Daniel X: watch for the TRAIN be careful!!!!
(02:10 PM) ppusa: there's Buffy's 28
(02:11 PM) GGriz: 1162  is support level
(02:11 PM) GGriz: on Big 
(02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: did it coincide with a pnf ppusa?
(02:12 PM) GGriz: dow and sp hit supp at same time
(02:12 PM) Daniel X: did on mine Buf
(02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(02:12 PM) ppusa: that 28, no
(02:12 PM) Daniel X: 5 min now waiting for 15 min to confirm   PLZ!!!
(02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: 1521 would be next if it goes through here
(02:12 PM) 2Devs: I think they will buy 1162 if not its a big failure
(02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: ok ppusa was hoping it did
(02:12 PM) ppusa: the nq just always takes out that low before a turn up
(02:13 PM) Daniel X: u trying to scare me Point N Predict?
(02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: stop is 30.50 now 
(02:13 PM) GGriz: yes 2 but nas is halfway to next support
(02:14 PM) ppusa: short term PnF's due for bounce but sometimes ya have to ignore them because longer term says probable new low as I mentioned earlier.
(02:14 PM) GGriz: I think I am trying to find yesterday's buyers
(02:14 PM) 2Devs: to me 1164.50 if it holds much upside then it will fail the 1162
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I HATE this waiting
(02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: it is the only thing about trading i don't like
(02:14 PM) ppusa: having said that, they will probably turn up
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: others feel the same way????
(02:15 PM) jimbo_320: nas has pot 2b now, on good volume
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: 15 min will make me relax once it prints a couple of Os
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: or do I really need to work on that patience thing?
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: Watch out for the Train people!!
(02:15 PM) Daniel X: careful here
(02:15 PM) Uyen_Mi: Naz bouncing
(02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel
(02:15 PM) larrybf: i am watching!
(02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: me too larry out of short
(02:16 PM) Daniel X: 15 min confirmed on PNF!!!
(02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel 
(02:16 PM) larrybf: buffy-better to be out wishing you were in than in wishing you were out
(02:17 PM) Daniel X: LARRY very true!
(02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: so true
(02:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: no pain, no gain today
(02:17 PM) GGriz: OK I wishing hard now
(02:17 PM) Daniel X: may yourshorts go down
(02:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: lol
(02:18 PM) GGriz: this is G rated?????
(02:18 PM) ab_18: need train retracement to get short?
(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(02:18 PM) ppusa: PnF says smack the heck lower
(02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: not so sure train going to go up today
(02:18 PM) ab_18: y
(02:19 PM) Tom_B: where's the beef ?
(02:19 PM) Daniel X: 17.5 target from triangle break down
(02:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: in the live cattle pit
(02:19 PM) Tom_B: oh, nya holding
(02:20 PM) larrybf: if the train dont show up watch out for april 4 low!
(02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: good point larry
(02:20 PM) ppusa: If we break low, PnF says it will be by more than a couple ticks.
(02:20 PM) GGriz: must be coming I'm, trying to sell now
(02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL GGriz
(02:22 PM) Daniel X: out + 6 de TRAIN
(02:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe a toy train today
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: won't go long but definitely not short
(02:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: put your shorts back up, daniel
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: lol
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: there it goes
(02:23 PM) Daniel X: er maybe
(02:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp made new low, ndx not
(02:24 PM) ppusa: yeet
(02:24 PM) ppusa: deer here
(02:25 PM) GGriz: yeet huh
(02:25 PM) ppusa: yet
(02:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(02:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: deer in front of the train?
(02:25 PM) GGriz: there are 3 pushis down from the 1170 swing
(02:25 PM) jimbo_320: train stuck at a red light !
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(02:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: passengers cant afford the fare any more
(02:27 PM) ppusa: Some shorts probably coveriing to go home.
(02:27 PM) Daniel X: let's see sell 25 or buy 35   HHHHhhhmmmm
(02:27 PM) cctraderx: 1/2 pt or 1/2 hour
(02:27 PM) ppusa: 1/2 hour
(02:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: baby you can drive my train
(02:28 PM) Daniel X: friday notorious for spikes
(02:28 PM) GGriz: all together now
(02:28 PM) jimbo_320: so you reckon 2.20 are  buyers, 2.40 sellers
(02:28 PM) GGriz: is the carioke room?
(02:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: yes friday is my least favorite day to trade
(02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: market so unpredictable
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: 2:20 buyers 2:40 sellers
(02:29 PM) dave_b_quick: good for fishing tho
(02:29 PM) cctraderx: starting to be mine
(02:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: carrotcake room
(02:29 PM) Daniel X: all aboard
(02:29 PM) cctraderx: hehehe
(02:30 PM) gravestonedoggie: all are borred
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: 28 the low @ 2:20
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: lol GSD
(02:30 PM) gravestonedoggie: thre it goes.. son of a... daniel, you the magician
(02:30 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle gsd
(02:30 PM) Daniel X: i wish
(02:31 PM) jimbo_320: danx - jimbo bought 28.5 
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: exceelent
(02:31 PM) Daniel X: careful thou
(02:31 PM) jimbo_320: so i sell before 2.40, you reckon
(02:31 PM) ppusa: that spike reversed the PnF's I chose to ignore.
(02:31 PM) Daniel X:  nah but do not take a loss
(02:32 PM) jimbo_320: if it retests again i bail again
(02:32 PM) Daniel X: b?e at worst
(02:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: oops, derailment
(02:32 PM) Daniel X: B/E at worst
(02:32 PM) jimbo_320: less fees of course
(02:33 PM) Daniel X: late passengers holding up the train
(02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
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(02:33 PM) jimbo_320: just waiting for those car to clear the level crossing and we are off
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: 33.50 a Retro entry?
(02:34 PM) Buffy_04364: yes I believe so
(02:34 PM) gravestonedoggie: thar goes es
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(02:34 PM) dave_b_quick: 5m trend is still down for retro, dan
(02:34 PM) Daniel X: i know
(02:35 PM) Daniel X: like tuesday
(02:35 PM) Daniel X: chop down
(02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: where is stop Dave
(02:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: train running on fumes today
(02:35 PM) Daniel X: Retro doesn't like a train ride?
(02:36 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(02:36 PM) Tom_B: 1:30 shake & bake
(02:36 PM) GGriz: pyra reverse north Buffy?
(02:36 PM) gravestonedoggie: didnt have trains in retro's day
(02:36 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo I'd be looking to bail with the points
(02:36 PM) jimbo_320: es has the 100ema at 1168
(02:36 PM) dave_b_quick: retro sure doesn't catch every train, but once on doesn't like to get off
(02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: going up the channel now yes
(02:36 PM) Daniel X: lol GSD
(02:36 PM) Daniel X: DAVE..LOL
(02:37 PM) GGriz: can't find the rewind button on the tape
(02:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: es derailment
(02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: 1536.50 first r
(02:37 PM) jimbo_320: stop 29.5, so i can pay the brokers
(02:37 PM) Uyen_Mi: NAZ  really  bouncing
(02:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: this rally vapors
(02:38 PM) jimbo_320: guys, a retracement, keep cool
(02:38 PM) Uyen_Mi: bouce      baby
(02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave, wehere is retro stop now?
(02:38 PM) GGriz: 15m es banged TL and reversed
(02:39 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo let's see what 2:40 brings
(02:40 PM) dave_b_quick: retro doesn't have a rule to move stop to BE (yet) only to last swing hi (37)
(02:40 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(02:40 PM) Daniel X: in from 33.50 Dave?
(02:41 PM) dave_b_quick: retro is, i'm flat
(02:41 PM) Daniel X: kewl
(02:41 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(02:41 PM) jimbo_320: jimbo is stopped for +1, boo
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo the train averages 6.5 points so when you see close to ..bail
(02:42 PM) dave_b_quick: retro has a 5m sw hi, so stop to 34
(02:42 PM) Daniel X: ditto
(02:42 PM) Buffy_04364: howard has posted some more charts for us to look at - one is fib
(02:42 PM) jimbo_320: so, 3.00 should see 30 - 6.5?
(02:43 PM) ppusa: see this llittle up channel. Pyro says we break the 45 is a short
(02:43 PM) Daniel X: huh? i dunno
(02:43 PM) GGriz: tbonds closing on R3
(02:43 PM) Daniel X: 45?
(02:43 PM) jimbo_320: so the 2.20 to 2.40 move is 6.5 points?
(02:44 PM) Daniel X: on average just by buying @ 2:20 and selling@ 2:40
(02:44 PM) Daniel X: yes
(02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: I like Howards charts - keep reminding us of what the software will do
(02:44 PM) Daniel X: that simple
(02:44 PM) jimbo_320: does that go for 2.40 - 3.00 aswell
(02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: Fib is part of gann and he combined them
(02:44 PM) Daniel X: no 
(02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: it with pyra
(02:44 PM) Buffy_04364: neat chart
(02:44 PM) bigrexxx: 45% angle he means
(02:44 PM) jimbo_320: where did you get that info from?
(02:45 PM) Daniel X: studing charts
(02:45 PM) jimbo_320: huge triangle on nq from open today
(02:45 PM) Daniel X: 2:30 being the Globex overnight closing from previous day
(02:45 PM) Buffy_04364: I see it jimbo
(02:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: what do you call a hot trader who is heavily into pyrapoint
(02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: ok Ill bite what
(02:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: pyramaniac
(02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: lol
(02:46 PM) jimbo_320: lol
(02:46 PM) cctraderx: lol
(02:46 PM) cctraderx: buffy's new handle
(02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(02:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(02:47 PM) bigrexxx: i've seen 20 pt nq dumps at 2:30pm what 3 times in last 10 sessions
(02:47 PM) bigrexxx: i told y'all not to take the trade that one day
(02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: people wouldn't like that - had a hard time tracking me down after switching from unicorn
(02:47 PM) jimbo_320: shame its friday, todays charts looks good for 1560
(02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I see nothing good about these charts yet jimbo sorry
(02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: missing something
(02:48 PM) ppusa: 1560 after 1500
(02:48 PM) ppusa: ?
(02:48 PM) GGriz: well you have the 200 ma for a target if it runs
(02:49 PM) ppusa: afree
(02:49 PM) ppusa: agree
(02:49 PM) ppusa: but from here or lower?
(02:49 PM) GGriz: that's 10$ on sp
(02:49 PM) ppusa: trying to turn
(02:50 PM) GGriz: got me
(02:50 PM) jimbo_320: chop or traders still out there?
(02:50 PM) GGriz: no right here, 200 is at 1175
(02:51 PM) Daniel X: we are in a nice down channel on 5 min breaking out above triangle being the top of that channel...me so confused
(02:51 PM) GGriz: 15 m testing TL AGAIN
(02:52 PM) GGriz: SRI
(02:52 PM) cctraderx: well it's Friday
(02:53 PM) jimbo_320: somebody kickstart this market please
(02:53 PM) ppusa: 30 minute chart has a lot of down liines
(02:53 PM) ppusa: get an up at 36.6
(02:54 PM) Buffy_04364: time line coming up
(02:54 PM) Daniel X: TF PPUSA
(02:54 PM) Daniel X: ?
(02:54 PM) ppusa: 30 minute?
(02:55 PM) Daniel X: thnx
(02:55 PM) ppusa: there was some heavy short covering around the retest low.
(02:55 PM) ppusa: Pathetic can't even break 34
(02:55 PM) Daniel X: the train 
(02:56 PM) 4nq: bonds boom
(02:56 PM) elly_34: i would think most are gone already for the weekend
(02:56 PM) 4nq: contract high for 10 yr
(02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah, I used to not trade friday afternoons at all
(02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: hope it doesn't end up in the range the rest of the day
(02:58 PM) bigrexxx: msft lod -3.92%
(02:59 PM) bigrexxx: intcc -7.3%
(02:59 PM) jimbo_320: v. soldsold here, bottom of downtrend on hourly
(02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(02:59 PM) Daniel X: LOD safest trade left for a short
(02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds like stocks might of been more fun today
(02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: roger how are you doing today?
(02:59 PM) 4nq: CSCO -5%
(02:59 PM) bigrexxx: nastrin 2.19  trin 2.45
(03:00 PM) bigrexxx: tick been green all afternoon now +118
(03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: tks bigrexx
(03:00 PM) bigrexxx: my pleasure nice room here :)
(03:00 PM) bigrexxx: da charts!!
(03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(03:01 PM) jimbo_320: shorts might cover in last 15, but i aint waiting til then, thanks all.
(03:01 PM) jimbo_320: bye and good weekend
(03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: neither am I
(03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: nothing after 3:30 on friday
(03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: bye see you monday
(03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: have a good weekend also
(03:02 PM) Daniel X: Jimbo glad to be a help..i'll send you the particulars
(03:02 PM) 4nq: 4.84 yield on 10yr
(03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: Teresa will be stopping in sometime the last hour
(03:03 PM) jimbo_320: thanks, ciau
(03:04 PM) Daniel X: for lessons?
(03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: hmm test of low?
(03:05 PM) Daniel X: Retro in from 28.50
(03:05 PM) Daniel X: ciao
(03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: bye and thanks for your help today
(03:06 PM) elly_34: oh excellent
(03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe a comment or too but to have people who don't know her meet her too now that the room is on her website
(03:06 PM) Daniel X: 5 min in chop mode
(03:06 PM) elly_34: lost all IB quotes
(03:07 PM) elly_34: bye daniel
(03:07 PM) Daniel X: T-Lo coming here to take our good people away!!
(03:07 PM) Uyen_Mi: only 5 minutes
(03:07 PM) Daniel X: take care ELLY
(03:08 PM) GGriz: IB OK here
(03:08 PM) donl_2: IB good here
(03:08 PM) Daniel X: DOW 10200 critical level!!!!!!!!!
(03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: not nice elly
(03:08 PM) elly_34: ty
(03:08 PM) 4nq: covering nq shorts
(03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL maybe for a class or two to learn her diabolical way of thinking
(03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: but really we talk of her and I thought people should meet her
(03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: it was my idea not hers
(03:09 PM) dave_b_quick: how many here have not taken a T Lo workshop? (raise hands)
(03:09 PM) Buffy_04364: she just accepted the invite
(03:09 PM) bigrexxx: msft -4.67% a quick -.50 from last post
(03:09 PM) Buffy_04364: :-)
(03:09 PM) Daniel X: it's ok she's always welcome from all
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(03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: good question dave
(03:10 PM) dave_b_quick: did any hands go up?
(03:10 PM) elly_34: i took one week, loved it 
(03:10 PM) leont_2_1: ine anybody wants to know today was a turtle soiup plus one set up in spu1 as per trading markets.com
(03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm no one reading at present I guess
(03:11 PM) GGriz: cubes still holding up
(03:11 PM) dave_b_quick: show of hands from T Lo alumni?
(03:11 PM) Buffy_04364: ok how many have taken the workshops/classes
(03:11 PM) dave_b_quick: maybe the handraise feature isn't working...
(03:12 PM) leont_2_1: sorry in case  anybody...
(03:12 PM) dave_b_quick: i raised my hand and i can't see it :>(
(03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm maybe ask on voice????
(03:12 PM) Daniel X: Retro does it again
(03:12 PM) GGriz: I pushed hand up button and nothing happened
(03:12 PM) GGriz: maybe it's not just my trading
(03:12 PM) jimbo_320: yikes i missed the clunk i see
(03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: tks leont
(03:12 PM) bigrexxx: i was in original ispec room- too cheep to pay for anything is ernmor in any chat?
(03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: GGriz you have taken it???
(03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: 1-2-3 for low of day????
(03:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: would like some lobster bisque soup
(03:12 PM) 4nq: never have taken her workshop
(03:12 PM) bigrexxx: qqq at .786 fib of 37.85 range 34-52
(03:12 PM) Daniel X: 5 bar rule
(03:12 PM) wlevicki: not I
(03:13 PM) GGriz: the hand buttons are reversed
(03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: GGriz was the first
(03:13 PM) 4nq: ....but I did stay at a Holiday Inn
(03:13 PM) ispe_bc: I have
(03:13 PM) dave_b_quick: i wonder what happened to Ernmor?
(03:13 PM) Daniel X: hand broken not going up...????
(03:13 PM) dave_b_quick: i see yr hand, dan
(03:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: my hand not working
(03:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: there
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: there were 4up
(03:14 PM) elly_34: weird, myhand does not work
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't see mine either
(03:14 PM) GGriz: no way I raised hand to the DOD NOT question
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: must of been a problem with paltalk
(03:14 PM) Daniel X: took 2 T-Los
(03:14 PM) Daniel X: sorry 2 weeks
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: there must be more alumni than that in here
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: ok gg it was confusing
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: oh there it goes
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: have to wait for hand to work
(03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: there they go
(03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: cc is
(03:15 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, the hand thingy isn't working too good today
(03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: it isn't as fast as usual
(03:15 PM) GGriz: wonder how much lag in text
(03:15 PM) elly_34: my hand not working
(03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: gsd?
(03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: it is up elly
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: \\
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: OK who wants to dance with me...hey hey 1 at a time
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: \\
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: //
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: \\
(03:15 PM) Daniel X: //
(03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: had to wait such a long time for it
(03:16 PM) bigrexxx: vix 26.92 up 13%
(03:16 PM) Daniel X: //
(03:16 PM) Daniel X: Daniel  X cuts + 5 test of low
(03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: nice  going guys
(03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(03:16 PM) bigrexxx: de mark range expansion must be on bottom 60min how about daily?
(03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: it is in bottom half rising at present
(03:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: my had getting tired
(03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: trend is down
(03:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: hand
(03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: adx is rising
(03:18 PM) dave_b_quick: you can put yr hand down GSD
(03:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: dow is at very btottom of its month long triangle
(03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: i unclicked mine quite a while ago and still is up
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: looking for it to test top of channel
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: NQ
(03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: daz fer shaw
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: his is down
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: pete and ispe_bc only up I show
(03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe.. wish i could put it down
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: oh back up
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(03:19 PM) Daniel X: gsd up still for me
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: it was for a bit
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: now back up GSD
(03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: now down
(03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: ahh
(03:19 PM) jimbo_320: anyone get the move down?
(03:20 PM) Daniel X: from?
(03:20 PM) gravestonedoggie: not trading here due to illiquid expiration conditions.. too easy to get caught in a spike
(03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: got something out of it yes
(03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: nq
(03:20 PM) GGriz: no I choked the sell
(03:20 PM) Daniel X: i did@ 33.50
(03:21 PM) Daniel X: took 5
(03:21 PM) jimbo_320: yeah, hindsight 32 was the top of the downtrend line
(03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: nice
(03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: you guys are incredible and have big you know what
(03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: howard has another pyra chart up
(03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: guess the book isn't coming today either
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: Retro still in from 28.50
(03:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think dow breaking the triangle
(03:23 PM) elly_34: do we know how many retro points so far today?
(03:23 PM) jimbo_320: that sell off am, bit of a distraction to the real trend down, made us look for a bottom
(03:23 PM) Daniel X: cajones?
(03:24 PM) Daniel X: not yet Elly
(03:24 PM) Peppie: 1159.00 close today
(03:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(03:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: dumpster time
(03:24 PM) elly_34: well see if 1520 was it or not
(03:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: thanks in advance, peppie
(03:24 PM) 4nq: NDX entering gap to 1496............at1515
(03:25 PM) Peppie: another wonderful day in the neighborhood
(03:25 PM) elly_34: dow going under 10200
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: DOW that's a BIG no no
(03:25 PM) Daniel X: ouch!
(03:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe
(03:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: the sky is falling!
(03:26 PM) ppusa: question for retro. Sell every DB? 36, 38.5,34
(03:26 PM) Daniel X: Retro stop moved to swing high 28.50 B/E
(03:26 PM) ppusa: from 12 on
(03:27 PM) ppusa: so first entry after swing high was?
(03:27 PM) jimbo_320: spx daily looks ugly
(03:27 PM) larrybf: watch the bollinger rails
(03:27 PM) Daniel X: 28.50
(03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: NQ daily looks terminal too
(03:28 PM) Daniel X: plz clarify PPUSA
(03:28 PM) ppusa: ok we talk later
(03:28 PM) elly_34: fight to the death at 1420
(03:28 PM) elly_34: 1520
(03:28 PM) jimbo_320: 1000 here we come
(03:28 PM) 4nq: 1200
(03:29 PM) Peppie: out of shorts..1159.00
(03:29 PM) dave_b_quick: retro still short from 1529, SL now 1528.50
(03:29 PM) Peppie: 59.10
(03:29 PM) GGriz: o I get it , it's a sell day
(03:29 PM) Daniel X: thnx Dave thought so
(03:30 PM) ppusa: the time is right 1/2 hour to go. 
(03:30 PM) Buffy_04364: Dave, why don't we all do what retro does?  Must be that emotion thing!
(03:30 PM) 4nq: looks like the patient is brain dead but some functions r still going
(03:30 PM) elly_34: maybe there is a robot that would trade retro
(03:30 PM) Daniel X: Buffy i'm working on it
(03:30 PM) Daniel X: been for 1 week now
(03:31 PM) jimbo_320: es tank
(03:31 PM) Buffy_04364: and I bet it has improved you results too!
(03:31 PM) elly_34: taking all signals daniel?
(03:31 PM) jimbo_320: tick not bad though
(03:31 PM) Peppie: greed is good
(03:31 PM) Tom_B: 1157-8 es supp, 1490 - 1512 nq
(03:31 PM) Daniel X: My earlier triangle target was 17.50
(03:32 PM) Buffy_04364: tick can catch up real fast but usually leads
(03:32 PM) Daniel X: oh most definitely Buffy ...scalping rip out of Websters dictionary
(03:33 PM) Daniel X: ripped
(03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: trend down all time frames here up 
(03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL sounds like a plan daniel
(03:34 PM) Peppie: long 1159.10
(03:34 PM) Daniel X: be back in 5 mins
(03:34 PM) Buffy_04364: now this could be a 2B
(03:34 PM) dave_b_quick: retro SL 1523.5
(03:36 PM) ppusa: SL? stop loss?
(03:36 PM) dave_b_quick: ya
(03:36 PM) ppusa: shouldn't it be 28?
(03:36 PM) dave_b_quick: retro out on 5m 2B trigger
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: remember Roger will be reteaching me templates afterwards if anyone wants to hang around for it
(03:37 PM) elly_34: will it be voice or typed?
(03:37 PM) dave_b_quick: Ensign templates?
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: roger likes voice but I can type some of it 
(03:37 PM) Buffy_04364: yes dave
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: I learned them had it all set up
(03:38 PM) elly_34: leaving window open but i have to get ready to leave for the weekend
(03:38 PM) Daniel X: ditto dave
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: lost it when reinstalled and forgot what I had learned LOL
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: ok elly
(03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: Roger going to give me a refresher course
(03:38 PM) elly_34: but it's alright, i don't have ensign right now,,,soon tho
(03:38 PM) Daniel X: Retro +5
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: what do you use now elly?
(03:39 PM) elly_34: qcharts
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: k
(03:39 PM) Daniel X: Q charts is horrible imo
(03:39 PM) elly_34: seriously sucks tho
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: used to here too
(03:39 PM) Buffy_04364: left them in april
(03:39 PM) elly_34: i had ensign for a month and loved it but realized i would be off and on all summer so decided to wait
(03:40 PM) Daniel X: servers always going down
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(03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: makes sense
(03:40 PM) ppusa: da train
(03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: or think you have multiple accounts going when you don't
(03:40 PM) cctraderx: lol
(03:40 PM) heat34: hello friends
(03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: or can't find your account when you try to log in
(03:40 PM) Buffy_04364: hi 
(03:41 PM) heat34: any trader here who handles the kids cloths of cotton made
(03:41 PM) dave_b_quick: ?
(03:41 PM) dave_b_quick: Fruit of the Loom?
(03:41 PM) elly_34: hahaha
(03:41 PM) heat34: ya
(03:41 PM) heat34: he he he
(03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: test of last swing high
(03:43 PM) Daniel X: ELLY i found WOW was pretty good when i was rading stocks but they do not offer futures, so i had to buy my own TS comparible platform
(03:43 PM) luv-to-trade: for some reason, my paltalk wasn't working
(03:43 PM) luv-to-trade: did anyone else have this problem?
(03:44 PM) Peppie: exiting longs 
(03:44 PM) Peppie: calling it a day
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: good going
(03:44 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, luv, sometimes you have to exit & re-enter
(03:44 PM) Daniel X: no LUV
(03:44 PM) dave_b_quick: good job peppie
(03:44 PM) luv-to-trade: anyone long here?
(03:44 PM) luv-to-trade: I am done for the day
(03:44 PM) Buffy_04364: yes good trade
(03:45 PM) cctraderx: just stopped out long es from 59-62
(03:45 PM) Teresa_Lo: Hi!
(03:45 PM) elly_34: HI Teresa
(03:45 PM) luv-to-trade: +26.5 points (took 5 trades to get it tho)
(03:46 PM) dave_b_quick: Great!
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: great luv!
(03:46 PM) Daniel X: YO  T-Lo
(03:46 PM) luv-to-trade: thank you :))
(03:46 PM) cctraderx: there was a trend today - lol
(03:46 PM) Owlee123: good going ltt
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: can you hear me?
(03:46 PM) Teresa_Lo: No.
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: welcome to use the mike and say a few words T
(03:46 PM) luv-to-trade: I am working on a big discipline problem. lol
(03:46 PM) Owlee123: no
(03:46 PM) Daniel X: no will exit come back
(03:46 PM) Teresa_Lo: Can we do a sound check?
(03:46 PM) cctraderx: no buffy
(03:46 PM) cctraderx: hear T
(03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: mine isn't working
(03:46 PM) cctraderx: and Da0ve
(03:46 PM) ispecjh_1: i hear you t
(03:47 PM) Teresa_Lo: I can't hear Buffy but I can hear Dave.
(03:47 PM) luv-to-trade: I did hear you
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: someone else speak and see if Ihear
(03:47 PM) Owlee123: cant hear anyone
(03:47 PM) reset_3: y
(03:47 PM) cctraderx: y
(03:47 PM) Teresa_Lo: I hear that.
(03:47 PM) luv-to-trade: yes'
(03:47 PM) rambler_12: y
(03:47 PM) elly_34: hear now
(03:47 PM) ispecjh_1: yes
(03:47 PM) Teresa_Lo: LOL
(03:47 PM) pete77_1: I was hearing you well T
(03:47 PM) Daniel X: good hear u
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: I am not hearing anyone
(03:47 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm
(03:47 PM) Teresa_Lo: Buffy - I think you have to log out and come back.
(03:47 PM) Daniel X: log in a nd out Buf
(03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: yep will do
(03:48 PM) luv-to-trade: how did retrotrader do today?
(03:48 PM) Tom_B: guess, lower test
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: excellent
(03:48 PM) luv-to-trade: cool!
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: let me add it up
(03:48 PM) luv-to-trade: sure you can add those big numbers?  lol
(03:48 PM) Daniel X: myself Retro X +27
(03:48 PM) rambler_12: i read your interview today teresa-- feel like i know u : )
(03:49 PM) Daniel X: good
(03:49 PM) cctraderx: vol low
(03:49 PM) elly_34: yes excellent interview
(03:49 PM) Teresa_Lo: And you know that my story is not unique.
(03:49 PM) ispecjh_1: vol low
(03:49 PM) Teresa_Lo: And trading is not as simple as most people think...but not as hard as most people thing either.
(03:49 PM) luv-to-trade: quiet
(03:49 PM) luv-to-trade: yes
(03:49 PM) Daniel X: yes
(03:49 PM) Owlee123: yes
(03:49 PM) elly_34: yes hear u
(03:49 PM) cctraderx: little better
(03:49 PM) ppusa: y
(03:49 PM) Tom_B: y
(03:49 PM) rambler_12: hear u buff
(03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: great
(03:49 PM) Daniel X: I think last count for Retro was 42
(03:49 PM) dave_b_quick: where is the TLo interview?
(03:50 PM) luv-to-trade: wow!
(03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: http://www.innerworth.com/masterinterview/iwinterview.asp
(03:50 PM) cctraderx: http://www.innerworth.com/masterinterview/iwinterview.asp
(03:50 PM) luv-to-trade: that must be almost 200 for the week, isn't it?
(03:50 PM) Teresa_Lo: http://ottographs.com/charts/2001-08/17TL/90MIN-1.gif
(03:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: T, what do you make of that triangle on dow over last month that more or less poked oday?
(03:51 PM) Daniel X: Moon cycles says lows were yesterday if you 're in to that
(03:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: ok
(03:52 PM) elly_34: yes
(03:52 PM) Daniel X: pull up a chair
(03:52 PM) gravestonedoggie: well, we all loaded the boat here today
(03:53 PM) ppusa: fundamentals say new trading range? not that anyone cares about fundamentals
(03:53 PM) Orprepus: good afternoon all 
(03:53 PM) Teresa_Lo: http://ottographs.com/charts/2001-08/17TL/90MIN-2.gif
(03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c, thnx
(03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes
(03:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: got hammered
(03:55 PM) jimbo_320: big es bounce
(03:55 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: sure was
(03:56 PM) jimbo_320: thats the one i wanted from 64 :-)
(03:56 PM) Ensign Software: dave-b-quick, there is an ensign-8 chart on the web that needs to be deleted because there was a fine name problem.  can you help delete it.  It is at the top of the list.  The bum name is  space character, then Ensign-8.jpg.  It is the leading space character that is causing the problem.   Thanks.
(03:57 PM) Tom_B: -2.gif
(03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: I noticed it howard and was going to have him do it
(03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: Hi Howard!
(03:57 PM) Teresa_Lo: http://ottographs.com/charts/2001-08/17TL/90MIN-3.gif
(03:58 PM) Ensign Software: no, I was done
(03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: go ahead Howard
(03:58 PM) Ensign Software: you did not cut me off
(03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: we didn't hear you
(03:58 PM) Ensign Software: all I wanted was for dave to remove a chart I posted.
(03:58 PM) Ensign Software: i did not speak
(03:58 PM) Teresa_Lo: OK.
(03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: ok howard
(03:58 PM) 4nq: bidding 1511 to cover.............29b/e stp
(03:58 PM) dave_b_quick: will do
(03:58 PM) Teresa_Lo: I saw someone hold the mike...
(03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought it was Howard also T
(04:01 PM) 4nq: stp to 1526
(04:01 PM) cctraderx: here's that diabolical thinking / psychology - yep, most are thinking april lows
(04:01 PM) ppusa: Pouring Spout
(04:03 PM) ppusa: but 100 can turn into 200
(04:03 PM) elly_34: isn't it warranted fundamentally though?
(04:03 PM) ppusa: =
(04:03 PM) ppusa: +
(04:04 PM) jimbo_320: i would love to see a market crash though, it would be fun
(04:04 PM) elly_34: i thought naz was more overvalued now than then?
(04:04 PM) ppusa: yep
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: lolol
(04:04 PM) elly_34: yes
(04:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: fundamentals appear worse now than in april, but ndx still above low
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: where have u been!? lol
(04:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: because stocks sold out already
(04:04 PM) Daniel X: less positions
(04:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes
(04:05 PM) Daniel X: ditto
(04:05 PM) Daniel X: right
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: yep no buyers
(04:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: right
(04:05 PM) bigrexxx:  T as always thx for all you have done educating us tarders
(04:05 PM) cctraderx: remember market is a barometer for 6 months out on fundamentals
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: same here bigrexx
(04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike also
(04:05 PM) cctraderx: ditto
(04:05 PM) pete77_1: Ditto also
(04:06 PM) Daniel X: tough to compete against technical big boys
(04:06 PM) ppusa: Fundamentally, the markets  look like they could enter whole new trading ranges. 
(04:06 PM) Daniel X: goodnight
(04:06 PM) bigrexxx: possible war in middle east is a problem but short term usually rallies into greenspan tuesday
(04:06 PM) cctraderx: U 2
(04:06 PM) jimbo_320: if we can take out the lows the next week or so what happens in october LOL
(04:06 PM) Daniel X: diabolical
(04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for the visit Teresa - please come back when you have the chance!
(04:06 PM) cctraderx: ditto
(04:07 PM) cctraderx: stop by anytime
(04:07 PM) ppusa: Don't most charts like the Nasdaq have 3 bottoms?
(04:07 PM) jimbo_320: black hole diabolical
(04:07 PM) elly_34: yes thank u teresa
(04:07 PM) Daniel X: gosh plz no
(04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for linking us on your website also
(04:08 PM) ppusa: I have been looking for a 200 point bounce but you don't want to hear about that
(04:08 PM) rambler_12: ty
(04:08 PM) Daniel X: ditto
(04:08 PM) ispe_bc: Thanks T 
(04:08 PM) ppusa: agree
(04:08 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks for coming by, Teresa
(04:08 PM) luv-to-trade: It was great hearing from you :)
(04:08 PM) ppusa: thanks, T
(04:09 PM) bigrexxx: thx T God bless you and your family!
(04:09 PM) Orprepus: thxs T
(04:09 PM) Teresa_Lo: Bye all!
(04:09 PM) cctraderx: we do ppusa - want to hear about the 200 pt bounce
(04:09 PM) Tom_B: tnx
(04:09 PM) Daniel X: lol  T god
(04:09 PM) donl_2: Thanks
(04:09 PM) Daniel X: oh nevermind
(04:09 PM) ppusa: I have no idea where it will occur from
(04:09 PM) scott_24: thanks
(04:09 PM) luv-to-trade: thank you
(04:09 PM) ppusa: unfortunately
(04:09 PM) hanksterr: Buffy, I missed a lot of that.  Is T going to have a class next week for $50
(04:09 PM) cctraderx: y hank
(04:10 PM) cctraderx: sign up at trendvue.com
(04:10 PM) 4nq: 9
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(04:10 PM) Daniel X: took out the lod
(04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike still has one also right?
(04:10 PM) cctraderx: y
(04:10 PM) hanksterr: ty
(04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: she is great
(04:10 PM) cctraderx: done by one, I think
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: couldn't learn from two better people
(04:11 PM) dave_b_quick: Mike's class is "done by one" but he goes 'til 4:00
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: Roger are you around?
(04:11 PM) jimbo_320: thx all for a great day
(04:11 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks dave
(04:11 PM) Ensign Software: take a look at the correlation of a $TICKI extreme just ahead of every turn in the NQ today.  Chart is the Ensign-23 example on today's folder on dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.
(04:11 PM) hanksterr: I am going to do her class only
(04:11 PM) Daniel X: take care Jim
(04:11 PM) 4nq: i have no speakers on this pc.....i guess T and you all were "talking"??
(04:12 PM) ispe_bc: Mike's class is great
(04:12 PM) cctraderx: y nq
(04:12 PM) Daniel X: 4NQ use headphones
(04:12 PM) 4nq: ty
(04:12 PM) hanksterr: maybe later, info overwhelm
(04:12 PM) cctraderx: quick recap - .........
(04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: nice chart Howard
(04:12 PM) cctraderx: maybe a trap on the downside here
(04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: yes one at a time is a good idea
(04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: yep could be cc
(04:13 PM) dave_b_quick: Howard, i was unable to delete that file, i'll play with it some more
(04:13 PM) ppusa: Is a candlestick pattern negative?
(04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: and even if it does go through would look for a retest
(04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: with T expecting it to go back into wedge
(04:13 PM) Daniel X: depends on which pattern
(04:13 PM) ppusa: A hammer candlestick
(04:13 PM) Ensign Software: dave, it has a leading space, ithink, when it got uploaded.
(04:13 PM) 4nq: looks like no 1511 for me.........covering shorts
(04:13 PM) cctraderx: not today nq
(04:13 PM) Daniel X: inverted or normal
(04:13 PM) Orprepus: imho - market has been over valued for some time and still is - it will mostly likely not just move down to be ing fairly valued - but will actually move to being under value and thats when we will get a bottom or the other big 500 lbs shoe drops - also could just grind down
(04:14 PM) ppusa: the one we just had.
(04:14 PM) ppusa: Normal I guess
(04:14 PM) Daniel X: neg
(04:14 PM) ppusa: so yesterday's was a neg
(04:15 PM) Buffy_04364: hopefully
(04:15 PM) Ensign Software: i will listen in on roger's guidance
(04:15 PM) Daniel X: hope so!
(04:16 PM) Daniel X: thing is thou traders are recognizing it so easily now that they play us
(04:16 PM) Ensign Software: go to main menu Chart | Template  in side panel to both CLEAR and to SET
(04:16 PM) 4nq: Good fortune to all of you in experiencing your REAL lives1 Cya next week!
(04:17 PM) Daniel X: take care 4NQ
(04:17 PM) rambler_12: lol 4
(04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: go right ahead
(04:17 PM) Roger Schelling: yes please!!!
(04:19 PM) Ensign Software: menu is main menu  Chart | Templates
(04:20 PM) Roger Schelling: Save as 9
(04:22 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(04:22 PM) Buffy_04364: been a long day LOL
(04:22 PM) Buffy_04364: trying now
(04:23 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA yesterday we got a hammer at a high of 1548 at 11:30 ..today @1530 at 15:15
(04:24 PM) ppusa: tf?
(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone else have a question for Howard
(04:24 PM) ppusa: yes i do
(04:24 PM) Ensign Software: in about an hour, I will post an Aug 17th version which gives you more scales in the study sub-windows
(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: we were trying to save him some time but as long as he is here...........  
(04:24 PM) Buffy_04364: if he doesn't mind
(04:25 PM) Ensign Software: the transfer will be to chart with focus when ALL is unchecked and to all charts when All is checked and Template is applied.
(04:27 PM) Ensign Software: yes, but that reminds me of another thing I thought of at midnight that I had not yet put in yet.  so let me go work on it.
(04:27 PM) Ensign Software: ALL is a check box on the Template panel by the 9 buttons
(04:27 PM) Roger Schelling: 13th from left drop down
(04:27 PM) GGriz: Howard I found possible problem with support and resistance tool when close and low are same, 
(04:27 PM) ppusa: what does offset mean on PnF properties?
(04:27 PM) Roger Schelling: brb
(04:27 PM) Ensign Software: offset is on most study properties form and is a simple shift vertically on the scale, either up or down the amount of the offset
(04:27 PM) Ensign Software: so you could do s vertically shifted move ave to make a channel band
(04:27 PM) Ensign Software: yes i hear
(04:28 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA sorry was busy all on 15 min
(04:28 PM) Ensign Software: 1 moment, let me go try it too
(04:28 PM) ppusa: ok Dan
(04:30 PM) ppusa: Dan are you saying a hammer is anytime the open and close are in the top or bottom of the bar?
(04:31 PM) Daniel X: yes
(04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: hammer is when the bar is long and both open/close are near the top
(04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: usually has to come after three down candles to be effective
(04:32 PM) ppusa: i think I see the 12:15 but the other one loks sketch
(04:32 PM) ppusa: sketchy
(04:32 PM) Buffy_04364: gravestone is the term for candle when open/close is near the bottom and this comes after an uptrend
(04:33 PM) ppusa: That's what I understood a hammer was
(04:33 PM) ppusa: that makes sense
(04:33 PM) Daniel X: www.stockcharts.com
(04:34 PM) ppusa: we had one today right at the high of the bounce.
(04:34 PM) Ensign Software: ppusa, the offset on P&R and 3LB are just as I said, it is a VERTICAL shift.  I just posted two chart examples and the difference between the two was to shift the 3LB up 1000 on the scale so it does not overlap the bar on the chart.
(04:34 PM) Daniel X: do a search...for hammer
(04:34 PM) ppusa: ok Daqn
(04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: 12:15 one needs a longer tail IMO
(04:34 PM) Daniel X:  takes u right to it
(04:34 PM) Buffy_04364: before I would trust it to be one 
(04:34 PM) Daniel X: 12:15 not a hammer
(04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: there is a name for those two candles - morning star maybe?
(04:35 PM) ppusa: that makes sense Howard but not what I experienced.
(04:35 PM) rambler_12: lookin for an air hammer
(04:35 PM) Daniel X: hammer time
(04:35 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL
(04:35 PM) ppusa: what chart name Howard?
(04:36 PM) Ensign Software: SteveGTS, Ensign-24 and 25, i think
(04:36 PM) Buffy_04364: 10:00 gravestone?
(04:36 PM) ppusa: da charts?
(04:36 PM) Ensign Software: ppusa, Ensign-22 and -23.   
(04:36 PM) ppusa: see it
(04:36 PM) SteveGTS: oh, sorry howard, want paying attention
(04:37 PM) Ensign Software: SteveGTS, remind me which item I was working on for you?
(04:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: i'm back
(04:37 PM) ppusa: did you try with PnF?
(04:37 PM) SteveGTS: Oh, the volume - price distribution chart I emailed you
(04:38 PM) SteveGTS: also we have been working on the larger candle time frame charts too http://www.premiermotorsports.net/trading/candle.jpg
(04:38 PM) Ensign Software: ppusa, just did test with offset and PnF and it does the same vertical shift to get current PnF above the current bars.
(04:38 PM) ppusa: got it Howard. My offset wasn't high enough value
(04:39 PM) ppusa: Thanks
(04:39 PM) Ensign Software: ok, steve, neither item worked on.
(04:39 PM) Ensign Software: ok, I'm off to add more parameters to PnF and 3Lb capability.
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(04:40 PM) SteveGTS: howard are you adding break point lables to 3pb?
(04:40 PM) bobp_3: Howard: were you able to make any progress on the $ Index symbol problems....i.e.$TRINQ, $VOLD, etc ?
(04:40 PM) Daniel X: get all that
(04:41 PM) Ensign Software: should not have made any difference.   Version upgrades to not affect data.  There was a change in quote table size we have been announcing for 2 months.  and my guess is your upgrade crossed that change.  Now that you have the new quote table size you will just fine.  Go download later today when aug 17 is posted.
(04:41 PM) SteveGTS: What is Howard adding to 3pb and PnF?
(04:42 PM) GGriz: Howard, did you see my note?
(04:42 PM) Ensign Software: bobp_3.  yes, the Index symbols are all working just fine in my testing this afternoon.  so, get aug 17th when it is posted.
(04:42 PM) bobp_3: Howard: Excellent.....thanks very much!
(04:42 PM) Ensign Software: ggriz, where is the note?  is this room?
(04:43 PM) GGriz: I mentioned that when compx had same low and close, S&R did not display correctly, did you notice that?
(04:44 PM) Ensign Software: I will have to go check it out.
(04:44 PM) GGriz: K ty
(04:44 PM) Ensign Software: should make no difference.  one can manually place the 3 points and have the close same as the low and no problem is seen.
(04:44 PM) GGriz: it worked fine today cause Y had 3 diff values
(04:44 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf and 3lb is added under studies
(04:45 PM) Ensign Software: ggriz, so your were on Find HLC mode, maybe there is a problem with the Find portion, I will check out.
(04:45 PM) Ensign Software: go ahead with ?
(04:45 PM) Daniel X: great evening and weekend everyone!
(04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: go ahead
(04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: you too Daniel
(04:45 PM) Buffy_04364: nope
(04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: save the layout first
(04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: that is it
(04:46 PM) Daniel X: ciao
(04:46 PM) Ensign Software: what is your last version date?
(04:46 PM) Buffy_04364: good ? Howard
(04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: I just connect - that tells me if there is update out there
(04:47 PM) Ensign Software: ok, this is the deal.  For DTN users ONLY, there was a quote table size change made 2 months ago, and anyone going from a May or earlier version to a later version was instructed to update all
(04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: then hit download
(04:47 PM) Buffy_04364: when done click on the install button - that is with esignal
(04:47 PM) Ensign Software: chart files before upgrading because we were going to discard the quote database table.   that is fine because the table replaces itself overnight.
(04:48 PM) GGriz: but install AFTER running daily updates ONLY, correct?
(04:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I have done it all times of the day but with esignal
(04:49 PM) GGriz: K I have dtn
(04:49 PM) Ensign Software: now that you are on this side of the June transition you do not need to do the extra step of forcing all charts to update prior to downloading the upgrade.   However, that caution of doing so is not a bad practice to do.  eSignal users do not have to do this update of charts because you have a server backing you up.
(04:49 PM) GGriz: thank you Howard
(04:49 PM) SteveGTS: Howard, when you get a chance - can you modify the object list so we can select on multiple adjacent itmes by using the shift key and seleting the range of items to delete? This is a similar function most windows programs like your outlook express for deleting multiple emails
(04:49 PM) Ensign Software: you can manually force the daily update by clicking the Futures and Stocks and Intra-day buttons on the SetUp | Computer form
(04:50 PM) SteveGTS: sometimes I need to delete 20+ items but dont want to loose everything
(04:50 PM) Ensign Software: Steve, objects list ALREADY works that way.
(04:50 PM) SteveGTS: ugh
(04:50 PM) SteveGTS: shift key did not work for me
(04:51 PM) Ensign Software: don't use shift.  just click on multiple items is list to highlight them and then click Remove to remove the selected ones.
(04:51 PM) SteveGTS: yes, but selecting on 20+items takes too long
(04:51 PM) SteveGTS: if you dont want to delete everything
(04:52 PM) Ensign Software: sorry, but that is the way it works
(04:52 PM) ppusa: Buffy, once again how do I put PnF in study window?
(04:52 PM) GGriz: good weekend all good night
(04:52 PM) Ensign Software: on PnF properties window simple select a sub-window as the location.
(04:52 PM) Buffy_04364: pnF is listed under studies
(04:52 PM) SteveGTS: maybe I have asked my limit of changes this month :-)
(04:53 PM) Ensign Software: bye, need to go work on more features before upload in an hour.
(04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: ok Howard have a good weekend
(04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for stoping in
(04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: you are welcome anytime
(04:53 PM) Buffy_04364: and as usual thanks for the help
(04:53 PM) scottybythelake: anybody every try P&F for volume?
(04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: that is an interesting idea
(04:54 PM) ppusa: PnF properties window does not have that option. Buffy you told me where to find that earlier.
(04:54 PM) SteveGTS: Dave, would you be willing to maintain a list of requested moidifications to Ensign on  your website? every one can post there!
(04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: ok you have pnf and want to change to 3LB there is a box to check on the right
(04:54 PM) Buffy_04364: by ok
(04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: is that what you are looking for
(04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: pnf is under studies 
(04:55 PM) Buffy_04364: and there is an option for what studies window you want it in
(04:56 PM) scottybythelake: hmmm, 3-D chart of P&F for vol vs. price
(04:57 PM) ppusa: phone excuse me for 1 minute
(04:58 PM) hanksterr: Steve, what objects list are you talking about
(04:58 PM) SteveGTS: objects?
(04:59 PM) Buffy_04364: the objects for the chart in focus
(04:59 PM) Buffy_04364: I know what he means when at end of day I delete the lines and draw back in the major ones
(04:59 PM) hanksterr: ty buffy
(05:00 PM) Buffy_04364: u welcome
(05:00 PM) SteveGTS: Oh, I have many lines drawn and studies too
(05:00 PM) SteveGTS: I have a script that places +48 items on a chart and I need to delete some or all at once
(05:01 PM) ppusa: Buffy
(05:01 PM) Buffy_04364: yes?
(05:01 PM) scottybythelake: :)
(05:01 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: then you don't have an updated version
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: what is the date
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: of yours
(05:02 PM) ppusa: 7/18
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: tooo old
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: way too old
(05:02 PM) Buffy_04364: lots and lots of updates since then
(05:02 PM) hanksterr: those hammers on 8/14 at 10:15 and 8/16 at 10 was a great short
(05:03 PM) Buffy_04364: great!!!!!!!!!!!!
(05:03 PM) Buffy_04364: unicorn@ctel.net
(05:03 PM) hanksterr: on nq 15m chart
(05:04 PM) ppusa: ok
(05:05 PM) ppusa: Orp, how was your day?
(05:05 PM) Buffy_04364: hammers are just suppose to be that at bottom of downtrend
(05:06 PM) Buffy_04364: and should signal reversal to go long - BUT...................
(05:06 PM) ppusa: Yes not like yesterday
(05:07 PM) scottybythelake: i thought that msft had an open only excell dwnload
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(05:11 PM) hanksterr: bye all
(05:11 PM) SteveGTS: IS anyone trading the ES using the 2B method? Here is a 6pt move from the lod with an entry at 1160.25 http://www.premiermotorsports.net/trading/candle.jpg
(05:19 PM) Buffy_04364: nice chart steve
(05:19 PM) SteveGTS: thanks
(05:19 PM) Buffy_04364: it was a wedge and was bouncing side to side
(05:20 PM) Buffy_04364: yes
(05:24 PM) Hank500: steve, why is your chart on a sportscar site?  Is that what your goal is from trading?
(05:25 PM) SteveGTS: That corpoation is just my hobby
(05:25 PM) SteveGTS: sell exotic cars on ebay
(05:25 PM) Hank500: oh - lol]
(05:25 PM) Hank500: cool
(05:26 PM) Hank500: maybe some day I will be able to buy one
(05:26 PM) SteveGTS: ok
(05:28 PM) Hank500: nice chart Buffy
(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: tks
(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: just thrown together
(05:28 PM) Buffy_04364: it is a friday  LOL
(05:28 PM) Hank500: nice work
(05:28 PM) Hank500: more than I do
(05:28 PM) Hank500: I guess I just eyeball it too much
(05:29 PM) Hank500: and not put in the lines
(05:29 PM) Hank500: lol
(05:29 PM) Hank500: amazing to me too
(05:29 PM) Hank500: tough resistance
(05:30 PM) Hank500: is that what you all are talking about all the time in here?