Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. dave_b_quick: Good morning, Traders! Buffy_04364: morning Dave Buffy_04364: ensign latest version aug 8th Buffy_04364: did you get to go through the class? Buffy_04364: I didn't and wondered if I kept up with Kimball well enough to really follow along Daniel X: 'mornin everyone ispecjh_1: morning all Buffy_04364: morning dave_b_quick: no, i didn't go thru the ensign class yet, but it's posted at the website dave_b_quick: i posted the retro rules too Buffy_04364: still a work in progress or are you getting comfortable with them now? dave_b_quick: i'm pretty happy with them so far, but i'm sure they'll continue to evolve Buffy_04364: tks dave_b_quick: open to suggestions Daniel X: Dave about Retro..when u say trailing stops are moved to last swing..do u mean if short..to the high of the previous and if long to the low of the previous 5 min bar? Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Buffy_04364: back my nine Daniel X: because if so 1702.50 would have stopped retro out on the short and the re entry would have been 1704 1 tick below the 1rst of 3 inside bars Daniel X: DAVE? Daniel X: when u have a chance....back in 15 mins Buffy_04364: not the bar Daniel the high of the swing Daniel X: plz explain high of swing Buffy_04364: ok using the 5M Daniel X: yes Buffy_04364: first s 1720 Buffy_04364: then moved to 1708.50 Buffy_04364: after bar 1210 happens Buffy_04364: then after bar1235 Buffy_04364: moved down to1703 Buffy_04364: after bar 1305 Buffy_04364: moved down to1696.50 Buffy_04364: after bar 1320 Buffy_04364: moved down to1691 Buffy_04364: that should help you get the idea Buffy_04364: let me know if not Daniel X: ok i'll study thanks Buffy_04364: back in about 15M dave_b_quick: sorry, dan, did buffy answer yr question? Daniel X: oh ok i see...i' yield the same results almost by moving the stop to 1 tick above the high of the previous 9 min bar...but Retro's way alot less cancel and replace!! Thnx Buffy Daniel X: yes Dave She did thnx hanksterr: Dave, how come you didn't get stopped out before 11AM going up? Great chart. dave_b_quick: each 5 min low was higher than the previous, so not stopped out hanksterr: thanks dave_b_quick: i only move the stoploss when a new swing low is put in on the 5m Daniel X: so u move the stop to the new swing low? Daniel X: on the way up hanksterr: okay, I thought you kept a 5pt trailing stop dave_b_quick: ya, or 1 tic below it Daniel X: thnx dave_b_quick: only the initial stop is 5 points, after that it depends on the 5 min swing lows Daniel X: hankster i tried it with a 5 point trailer...and left 33 points on the table last week! hanksterr: got iy thanks, again great chart and congrats on 100 pts dave_b_quick: thanks, hank ppusa: good morning Dave, I have a question about retro. What circumstances trigger your initial entry? Daniel X: i think inside bars dave_b_quick: breakout from range of first 15 minutes Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. ppusa: Understand, then what circumstances triggered the sell you looked for at the high dave_b_quick: first there was a 5 min 2B reversal to indicate trend change, then there was a 15 min 2B reversal which triggered the short entry Daniel X: and funny thing i called the HOD@ 15! ppusa: Yes, what I am looking for is a better way to enter my HOD calls. I am sometimes early dave_b_quick: the sell stop was under the first 15 min bar that poked above the previous hi, then there was a second poke bar and i moved the sell stop up a little more dave_b_quick: good call, daniel! Daniel X: but i did not pull thr trigger so it amounts to a "shoulda coulda woulda" ppusa: So when you say trend change, was that based on a cross of a ma? dave_b_quick: The 2B trigger the way Teresa teaches it is awesome dave_b_quick: no, that's too slow, the trend changed for me based on the 2B price action ppusa: OK, this is something i don't know about. dave_b_quick: it was described by Vic Sperandeo in his first book, and adopted by Teresa Lo dave_b_quick: Teresa added the trigger rule dave_b_quick: which works real good ppusa: Dan, if we had done anything other than hit 19.5 I would have been fine but that thru me. ppusa: So, Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! ppusa: the next time I'm looking for an HOD and someone can gave me ppusa: some feedback, I would appreciate it. Daniel X: the only reason i was able to call the HOD was that i had a trendline from fridays close down to 1715 ppusa: I always look for a 1-2-3 Daniel X: failure imo dave_b_quick: 2B is a variation of the 1-2-3 as in 1-2B-3 ppusa: I have found they almost always conform to a specific pattern. dave_b_quick: 2B is a failed test of the previous hi Daniel X: so r3 Bs rare? ppusa: So I guess 2B occured at the low of the 1719 bar dave_b_quick: yes dave_b_quick: but i moved the stop to the bottom of the 1719.50 bar after to get a little better entry ppusa: I have thought about waiting for price to cross the ma rather than trying to be early. Daniel X: back in 10 dave_b_quick: ok dan dave_b_quick: which MA, pusa? ppusa: Off the top of my head, probably price crossing the 3 bar on a 5 min chart. dave_b_quick: i'll have to play with that ppusa: I definately use P&F to help pinpoint HOD dave_b_quick: ya, i haven't learned that yet ppusa: I wait until some of them are in buy signals neeeding reversals ppusa: but I thinkalso import, I need to have a good idea of where this might occur. ppusa: use daily charts for that Buffy_04364: 45 is pretty good for it too and then dave's 15 Buffy_04364: lower high premarket ppusa: yesterday's high was right where it should have been given the previous day's 1727. ppusa: When we started down, I thought if we broke the high it wouldn't be until today/ ppusa: I also had said we get across the board sell signals if we break the low ppusa: broke Buffy_04364: yes you did ppusa ppusa: anyway, any day you can sell near the high and buy near the low, you do ok Buffy_04364: you and Daniel were pretty right on yesterday ppusa: and there is a lot less stress than looking for scalps, etc. Buffy_04364: what tf u use again? ppusa: Yes, my P&F/s said we break hard if we were to break Buffy_04364: going for last coffee ppusa: Buf, I use them all with this many charts Orprepus: Morning - so do we chop today or trend? ppusa: I hope we put in the HOD and continue down ppusa: MA's are in serious decline ppusa: nice head and shoulders though on daily Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Daniel X: yes just ppusa: if we rally first, let's see if we can nail hod dave_b_quick: i'm with you Daniel X: ditto ppusa: Today, I think the high should remain near 44. But I have overextended P&F's looking for a 25 point bounce from whatever low is in place before the bounce. So that means we would have to bounce from a lower level. or the high will be closer to 1750. John FF: early numbers. P=1631.50, res 1641 and 1653, sup 1619 and 1610 Orprepus: could bounce off July 24 low today - think hod will be early again Daniel X: pivot point 1rst support 1598 ppusa: yea, open may have been ppusa: was right on 15 min ma's Daniel X: actual pivot @1659 ppusa: we'll see dave_b_quick: shoulda sold that 1m NQ upbar i guess dave_b_quick: oh well John FF: my pivot and sup res based on overnight #'s Daniel X: oh ok mine are 4:15 close John FF: these numbers are very accurate for 1st hr ppusa: Maybe my 25 and 30 point P&F will give us a chance. John FF: look at recent low Daniel X: nnnnnoooo not today...data problems aaarrrgggg ppusa: John, we felll from pivot on open Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. dave_b_quick: who's yr data provider, dan? Daniel X: InterQuote Daniel X: could be isp problem John FF: pivot acts as sup & res. we opened below and immediately fell to 1st sup Orprepus: anyone else having problems with datafeed - esignal & latest release of EW? only one chart rt everything else frozen Orprepus: reboot see ya ppusa: John pivot straight to s1 Daniel X: 35/36 magic PnF # Daniel X: 25 has to hold Daniel X: Retro's 1rst short entry wuold be 19.50? Daniel X: based on 1 tick below 1srt 5 min inside bar? Daniel X: DAVE? dave_b_quick: 1618 Daniel X: thnx dave_b_quick: but maybe we'll get an inside bar first dave_b_quick: or a bounce gravestonedoggie: too hot today for the outside bar Daniel X: thnx Daniel X: lol dave_b_quick: hahaha John FF: would like to see 33 broken by a tick for short Daniel X: 2b? John FF: showing triple top on 3 and 13 min dave_b_quick: ya, trap those retro traders, john John FF: I'm in the dark, please what is retro trader? jimbo_320: anyone use nextrend? dave_b_quick: 15m range breakout, john dave_b_quick: not me, jimbo ppusa: high of last hour yesterday was 35.5 ppusa: six down hours, should break it then ? John FF: TT short s&p 1183 w/1189 stop dave_b_quick: what's TT? Daniel X: gonna try a Pre Retro Trade long from 34 stop @ 29 ppusa: trendtrader? dave_b_quick: thanks dave_b_quick: yes, dan dave_b_quick: 33.50 Daniel X: trying really hard not to move my stop to break even John FF: what time frame d-b-q dave_b_quick: breakeven is not bad dave_b_quick: NQ 15m dave_b_quick: bot the 15m breakout ppusa: next question, do we look for the hod or is the low in Orprepus: back - and still down - charts not getting ticks - quote page & time of sales working great put no movement on charts - I guess I am done for the day - only thing change was update to latest rev last night after EW class Buffy_04364: it is all working here and I downloaded this morning ppusa: Orp, I had that problem too. Buffy_04364: how did you fix it? ppusa: with DTN. dave_b_quick: i forgot to upgrade EW, still on yesterday's version Buffy_04364: oh Orprepus: esignal dave_b_quick: me too, working here Orprepus: lost datafeed now Buffy_04364: have you tried closing and reopening it? Orprepus: rebooted twice wlevicki: update yesterday and have esignal and all is working Buffy_04364: ick Buffy_04364: is it your isp? Daniel X: looking for a 1642 PnF pop wlevicki: Pac bell dsl Orprepus: the trading gods are be kind to me today - telling me to take a day off and to hold on to my profits from yesterday Buffy_04364: LOL Orprepus: at home cable wlevicki: the upload says the 8th but EW says 7th under help not sure if that is why Buffy_04364: I have to turn my box off and reset it once in a while for dsl Daniel X: here comes the swing low i presume Orprepus: got one other thing to check before taking the day off Buffy_04364: mine also says the 7th Buffy_04364: and I downloaded this AM wlevicki: yea not sure why Buffy_04364: out for +6 John FF: nice Buffy electra_23: nice buffy Orprepus: great bufffy Buffy_04364: ty off of triangle on 3M will post leont_2: buffy what's ty? Buffy_04364: thank you leont_2: thanks Buffy_04364: I learned one last night btdt is been there done that Buffy_04364: chart posted dave_b_quick: thanks buffy Buffy_04364: but forgot to change title will be labeled 5m Daniel X: 2b? Buffy_04364: but is really 3m Buffy_04364: sorry wlevicki: does ensing post the chart now, or snagit still Buffy_04364: have to go to too lower TF to see that daniel dave_b_quick: so you bot 33.50, buffy? Same as the 15m breakout Buffy_04364: trying to stay away from 60T for trading just for managing the trade Buffy_04364: filled at 34 dave_b_quick: Ensign posts too if you upgraded yesterday or today Buffy_04364: yes it does Buffy_04364: colors will be darker though due to jpg instead of jig klonerdoug: that was nice triangle going into 33 long entry back there Daniel X: looking to move stop to 37.50 Buffy_04364: jig=gif ppusa: So far same as yesterday, ... take out low of previous hour and then up.. looking for HOD in the neighborhood of 1650 Buffy_04364: now maybe a 2B Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Buffy_04364: although trend not really broken to do it so lets say mini 2B Daniel X: stop@ 37.50 Daniel X: @swing low ppusa: flag dave_b_quick: nice patience dan, a true elephant hunter Buffy_04364: yes it was and long of it Buffy_04364: no time to say anything Daniel X: trying to be Retro Daniel X: thnx ppusa: 25 point Pnf reversed jimbo_320: out es long be ppusa: 1620 + 25 - 45 Daniel X: let me know if u see something i don't like a reversal ppusa: reversed up jimbo_320: big push up, not ! Buffy_04364: no and out Buffy_04364: +2 ppusa: 10 point PnF due for downside reversal Buffy_04364: tks Daniel X: plz Retro do not fail me .lol Daniel X: out37.50 oh well Buffy_04364: 1637 take out would scare me dave_b_quick: well, at least ya got a few locked in and can still play the other side if that's what happens Buffy_04364: bouncing off ma on 5M ppusa: got the ten Daniel X: exactly Buffy_04364: good ppusa Daniel X: good dave_b_quick: hang ten, pusa jimbo_320: hod? Buffy_04364: no time to say anything on these! ppusa: still like to see 50 area high based on 30 point PnF Buffy_04364: volume must be there for a change ppusa: But many, many times, I've been given just the 25 ppusa: potential hod Daniel X: that was the most i ever left on the table some 14 points!lool ppusa: sorry I didn't have time to tell you about ten PnF Buffy_04364: I think that is going to be the hardest thing with retro to get used to Daniel X: it's ok Daniel X: ditto buffy jimbo_320: es weak dave_b_quick: ya, can't have it both ways Daniel X: true dave_b_quick: retro is short now 27.50 Orprepus: back and ticking the charts that is Buffy_04364: great O what was it? dave_b_quick: yr a tech wiz too, orp Orprepus: I demo Jtrader "Patsystem" trading program last night and uninstalled and shazam dave_b_quick: aside from crashing yr charts, how did you like it? Buffy_04364: hate it when that happens Orprepus: was suppose to internet access but it loaded something on my system Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Fely: hello bigrexxx: haggerty re yest.: There were four big sell programs on the half hour starting at 2:00 p.m., 2:30 p.m., 3:00 p.m. and 3:30 p.m Orprepus: It seemed ok - I thought it was a little slow - but could be the demo Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. bigrexxx: look at total market volume by the hour can learn alot about time theory in markets Orprepus: anyone using patsystem Jtrader? ppusa: y Orprepus: if so what do like about it ppusa: answer later Orprepus: sorry ppusa: tied up bigrexxx: bond futs 104-10 bull flag seems intact klonerdoug: i think those sell programs were ties to naz tick klonerdoug: yd afternoon bigrexxx: gold futs +2.2 more bombing in isreal and japan looks real weak klonerdoug: tied bigrexxx: yes nas tick impt it was weak beofre the dump a neg divergence Buffy_04364: another flag on 3M? Buffy_04364: or higher low? klonerdoug: i missed it for short reentry after initial dump ..... saw it last night dave_b_quick: Sure looks like a flag on 5m ppusa: 33.5 swing high? qatwo: yes pp ppusa: so far anyway bigrexxx: nq under a .887 fib at 1635ish of 5/22 hi about 2074 to 7/24 low about 1580 Daniel X: short from 25 klonerdoug: s 25 klonerdoug: stop at entry klonerdoug: c 1 contract at 21 Daniel X: stop@ swing high Daniel X: sorry @ 30 first Daniel X: watching for the 2B Daniel X: 24.50 is a PnF DB breakdown klonerdoug: flat 7th_Sphincter: Hi Folks... Where is the Ensign every day support / help chatty thing located? dave_b_quick: hi 7th Buffy_04364: ensign windows dave_b_quick: they have a paltalk room 7th_Sphincter: Thanks ...no one was home . Daniel X: stop cleaning time i suppose dave_b_quick: ensign does programming in the morning, usually doing help starting abuot now Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. klonerdoug: the early cover ... i dont' want to ruin a good day ... most of my bad trades happen after 11am Buffy_04364: Howard is out of town but someone should be in there soon Daniel X: will someone please go over and kick this thing off the cliff Emi5: wooow casi 30 dave_b_quick: ? gunner-: ""kick"" dave_b_quick: thanks, gunner Daniel X: still short @ 25 gunner-: need it.. I'm short too klonerdoug: back in 23 dave_b_quick: me too 24.50 gunner-: trin says we make money dave_b_quick: gotta be some stops under here somewhere... John FF: 1615 1st stop John FF: then 1595 dave_b_quick: sounds good Daniel X: stop @26.50 swing high Buffy_04364: this could be the 2B Orprepus: PP thxs ppusa: sure wlevicki: csco and ge trying to hold their lows, I watch them somedays they tell the story ppusa: hang in Dan klonerdoug: c 1 17 klonerdoug: still s 1 Daniel X: trying so hard not to take the $lol ppusa: i got out ppusa: go go Buffy_04364: guess not but was a possiblitity gunner-: gravy train rolling.. klonerdoug: flat Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Daniel X: have to lock in 5 points come on Daniel X: stop@1620 Orprepus: trust in the trade ppusa: possible acceleration due if we hit an air pocket Daniel X: im trying ORP! klonerdoug: large bid at 1615 . she lifts u guys will be good short still gunner-: put stop behind,, sit back, ,enjoy Buffy_04364: hi gunner ppusa: minor reversals due on PnF gunner-: hi buffy you got new hat loks good on ya Buffy_04364: :-) Daniel X: thnx ppusa ppusa: doesn't mean a thing yet ppusa: trend is dddooowwwnn Daniel X: my stop is 1 tick above the last swing high @ 19 so 20 for me wlevicki: I just looked at my charts for trinq & decl/adv for naz, they have more of an angle today for downtrend than yesterdays selling Orprepus: adx signal trend - hang in there dan Daniel X: good call on continued selling PPUSA gunner-: I'm looking for my auto10 (10 mini pts) klonerdoug: yeah nice call there dave_b_quick: that's your limit, gunner? ppusa: 1612 low from 7/26 Daniel X: if i take the $ there's no way i'd jump back in this low ppusa: tookk it out Orprepus: thx pp Daniel X: thnx Orprepus: need vol to continue gunner-: don't have a limit, davwe, ,take all they will give me..LOL.. just that my experience tells me to take 10 minis ...usually a good rule.. bigrexxx: on the 60min nq de mark must be as low as it gets dave_b_quick: then jump back in at the 5ema9, gunner? Daniel X: has to stay below 19 to keep me in ..so close someone will take my contract Daniel X: @20 bigrexxx: of course in same place as 2:21pm yest i presume the de mark 60min bigrexxx: T always booked a 10 pter in spooz dave_b_quick: otta get some resistance off the LOD bigrexxx: dave Q what other room are you in? dave_b_quick: couple times in the last week i wished i had a 25 point profit limit order working dave_b_quick: right now i'm in the traders coffe shop and here, sometimes in 3! gravestonedoggie: es hammer 2 min and 5 min charts Daniel X: out slippage +4.5 Daniel X: so hard not to take the 10 Orprepus: good trade dan gravestonedoggie: nq was wedging since 10:15 Daniel X: the hardest thing is i left 15 points on the table so today would have been a 28 point day instead of a 8 points gunner-: took 5 pts.. trin down.. ppusa: Dan, good trade, good discipline. Daniel X: u think so Daniel X: hhmmm ppusa: I think the entry was low more than anything else. ppusa: but i like the stop thing Daniel X: yes but only 2.5 points to low Daniel X: Retro's swing high stop is @ 1626.50 ppusa: I try to remember every day is different and I am not sure today is going to trend like yesterday Daniel X: true klonerdoug: i don't have mike on this computer ... and i don't hear anything klonerdoug: r u folks talking? Daniel X: looking for re entry Buffy_04364: inside bar 3M ppusa: we have been down 4 or 5 days in a row, we arre near lows, more chop klonerdoug: no mike but i set up tonight dave_b_quick: :>) klonerdoug: heard u thanx ppusa: longer term P and F's over extended ppusa: high of hour 26.5 gravestonedoggie: yes bigrexxx: dollar index -.46 still bear flag ppusa: gunning for it klonerdoug: i'm glad i'm here 8-) rambler_12: a. find someone talkative b. get 'em on the mic : ) gravestonedoggie: silence better dave_b_quick: GSD gives good running commentary, but is the silent type bigrexxx: dow good pivot away from bottom of range at 200 Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! gravestonedoggie: hey, thnx... think more contirbute when when no one dominates gravestonedoggie: lot of good contributors here dave_b_quick: a good dominatrix is good to find gravestonedoggie: lol gravestonedoggie: that was good gunner-: dave just lower your standards.. gravestonedoggie: hehe dave_b_quick: LOL Buffy_04364: giggle gravestonedoggie: just as long as we dont have video gravestonedoggie: yopu can do what you want Buffy_04364: LOL dave_b_quick: wife came in the office couple days ago and asked if i wanted lunch with or without feathers gunner-: the new Paltalk version has GROUP video.... What say you? gravestonedoggie: hehe gravestonedoggie: oh boy Orprepus: everyone wheres a greenspan mask dave_b_quick: hahaha gravestonedoggie: didnt think ti was that kind of chat room gunner-: short 80 dave_b_quick: that's right, this is the FOCUSED room, sorry Buffy_04364: posted 3M dave_b_quick: nice, buffy gravestonedoggie: having allergic reaction to a bee sting that i got yesterday.. nasty Buffy_04364: not nice GSD - I got stung last weekend - what is up with those guys? gravestonedoggie: hehe Buffy_04364: I didn't have a reaction though but sure did forget how much it hurts dave_b_quick: you get yr antihistamine shot GSD? gravestonedoggie: last two times i have been stung, get out of control purple swelling after a couple of days gravestonedoggie: i am taking the anti histmaines - should i say this? - orally Buffy_04364: not nice at all gravestonedoggie: but not sure they goning to do the job.. as it is beginning to swell up gravestonedoggie: oversold chop bigrexxx: 10am and 10:30 am were down bursts but 11am held there gravestonedoggie: perhaps will begin to form a somewhat larger bear flag? gunner-: donated a pt to old traders fund.. bigrexxx: some think the morning margin selling done by 11am gravestonedoggie: hehe dave_b_quick: LOL gunner gravestonedoggie: good discipline dave_b_quick: the 15m sure looks like a bear flag gravestonedoggie: not sure if a good idea to use the word 'disipline' this morning either.. hehe Buffy_04364: :-) dave_b_quick: maybe we should appoint a sargeant-at-arns dave_b_quick: arms Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Daniel X: locking on 10 this time Buffy_04364: do't blame you ppusa: due for short term P&F pullbacks Daniel X: out Daniel X: +9.5 slippage ppusa: i bot at 15.5 Buffy_04364: nice pp ppusa: and was out a long time ago Daniel X: nice one Buffy_04364: :-( Orprepus: good trades ya'll ppusa: marginal ppusa: we need OP trades Daniel X: ditto gunner-: took my pt back,, old traders don't need it,, gravestonedoggie: hehe Daniel X: hmm lower high? Buffy_04364: postd 1M TL work :-0 ppusa: if we make a new high I get buy signals across the board Daniel X: me too klonerdoug: 26 and 33 buy triggers back there plus the longs back at 15 .. nice trades Buffy_04364: there have been very nice trades in here today by all - great group! Daniel X: PPUSA how did you peg the 15? Daniel X: all due toRetro Trader Buffy! ppusa: I had said due for short term reversals and I liked the pattern on the 1 minute. reverse of HOD patterns ppusa: i wanted to tell you to take it, but I didn't feel that's appropriate, and you had a strategy of your own. Daniel X: oh ok ppusa: i could have been wrong ppusa: wouldn't have been the first time Buffy_04364: any trade is a suggestion to do :-) dave_b_quick: nice to have such a prodigious buncha traders in here ppusa: touchy thou bigrexxx: there's your nas tick failing at flat Buffy_04364: I just don't want anyone else getting nasty emails so keep reminding who ever may have just come in Orprepus: getting something to eat - maybe something where I can use chop sticks - to get a better feel for today dave_b_quick: hahaha ppusa: couple averages going positive. Looking forlong. Any feed back. dave_b_quick: reminds me, i should pick up the kid at camp before they set 'im out on the curb... gravestonedoggie: lol Buffy_04364: Dave, maybe you could post something to that effect in the welcome message for them to see when they come in Daniel X: PPUSA are you using the 7 leg rule for those reversals? Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! ppusa: god idea buf Buffy_04364: then I would shut up about it LOL dave_b_quick: ya, buf, that welcome message is getting kinda stale anyway bigrexxx: that .887 fib of 75 day range around 1635 Buffy_04364: just a thought dave_b_quick: good one ppusa: change the rating to X Buffy_04364: LOL Daniel X: so far 2 insides ppusa: we are above yester's low. does that mean anything Daniel X: PPUSA did u see my ? ppusa: just did. Don't know 7 leg rule klonerdoug: 1634 is the 21.4 of yd's high and td's low ppusa: 7 downs=up? Daniel X: how do u see the rev on PnF then? Buffy_04364: posted klonerdoug: i play opens mostly ... from here i don't really have a good feel ppusa: you mean when they are due? Daniel X: yes 7 legs down or up rule. gravestonedoggie: been down so long looks like up to me Daniel X: yes when they are due klonerdoug: but lower highs here on that push Daniel X: low of both inside bars broken here on 5 min ppusa: i use a lot of them for instance a 6 tick reversal. When it goes into a buy signal like it just did far enough then it's due for a reversal Daniel X: oh ok thnx ppusa: but what I was trying to convey a weel ago was I have to know where we are in the trend. klonerdoug: this low volume on futs means i stay flat mostly during lunch gunner-: short 82 ppusa: and yesterday we broke away from the major ma's which overextended the P&F's to match the trend. Daniel X: thnx ppusa: Then we got 4 tick bounces, then 6 tick bounces, then 10 tick bounces, then 15 tick bounces, and today a 25 all while falling like a rock. Buffy_04364: well can draw a flag on 75T 1M 3M and 5M Buffy_04364: hmmm wlevicki: friend of mine said the Teachtrade site said upticks today due to rumor of fed cuts today in the pit, fyi wlevicki: sorry if this was repeat not sure if other paste got in Buffy_04364: it wasn't Buffy_04364: tks for info dave_b_quick: in the last recession FED rates got down to 3.5, last cut a whole point from 4.5 gunner-: Pete77 hope you are sending some bad weather my way,,, !! ispec_Pete77: Yes, gunner much cooler today!!! gunner-: bout time.. Daniel X: i want to go short @ 27.50 but the volume is not encouraging not to mention we're in the DMZ timing 2: gunner i add a trin.nq chart to the package work great ispec_Pete77: Daniel Demlitarized zone? Daniel X: yes no trades Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Daniel X: so far we're backside bouncing under the 40 ema on the 5 min continuing yesterday's trend gunner-: hi timing... I'm not sure enuf of volume reporting on Nas to use NAS trin.. Daniel X: paper trade ..short @ 27 stop @ 32 gunner-: may get noonie dump here.. ppusa: charts look like failed test of HOD Daniel X: JOOKINGGOOOD timing 2: gunner i done some pap trade jess looking at trin.nq no charts good results save me out of trouble gunner-: timing... peaceful in Israel today? Daniel X: does anyone see an inv H&S 5 min Daniel X: no one? gunner-: come on NY noonies... see, mkt down again, ,drop ut tortilla wrapped vegs,, grab ur cellphone,, sell something!! ppusa: 2nd retest of low. If, if, if we were to move up from here, should be good. Buffy_04364: I don't daniel ppusa: trend still dn Daniel X: beginning yesterday@ 2:30 Daniel X: here being top of shoulder Daniel X: still srt on paper from 27 Daniel X: lol ppusa: beginning Thursday night. Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! ppusa: last thursday Daniel X: covering paper ppusa: funny, i had just typed that ppusa: but think one more leg gravestonedoggie: yes, it could be forming a h&s, daniel gravestonedoggie: but not soemtjhing to bank on, imo Daniel X: thnx gravestonedoggie: (ie, not until neckline breaks is the pattern confirmed Daniel X: @ what # gravestonedoggie: since there are many potential h&s, but few that play out timing 2: gunner no peace bombs exploding evrywhere might come back to us gravestonedoggie: break of line connecting this morning's 2 highs would be the neckline Daniel X: thnx gravestonedoggie: 1630 or os gravestonedoggie: so gunner-: booked 2 mini pts Daniel X: good going in this! wlevicki: do we have big wedge in 3 min nq ? to me since 9:45 ish ppusa: another lef down on paper trade ppusa: leg (12:23 PM) timing 2: pretty legs ppusa lol (12:24 PM) ppusa: 1627 to 30 major resistance based on ma's. Would take trades above to reversse trend (12:24 PM) Daniel X: was in on paper from 27 ....looking for a real entry here (12:25 PM) Daniel X: short entry @ 1616.50 based on 1 tick below long up bar before these 4 inside down bars 15 min (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: we trade the futures market (12:27 PM) dave_b_quick: the silence scared him away (12:27 PM) rambler_12: lol (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: lol (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: test of low about 11:10 (12:28 PM) ppusa: dave, according to our ma discussion, i should be short 1626 area (12:28 PM) dave_b_quick: nice one (12:28 PM) ppusa: should be (12:29 PM) Daniel X: well 29 was an entry i took a paper at 27 but now i'm in for real @ 16.50 (12:29 PM) Hollie_: Hi all, does this room have a leader or is it open forum? (12:29 PM) dave_b_quick: open house for index traders, hollie (12:29 PM) Daniel X: yes the "market " is our leader! (12:29 PM) Hollie_: tks, that's what I like (12:30 PM) Hollie_: lol (12:30 PM) dave_b_quick: you a trader? (12:30 PM) Hollie_: yes, nas (12:30 PM) dave_b_quick: yr in the right place (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: welcome (12:30 PM) timing 2: dan x great answer (12:30 PM) cajun_: hello traders - any old Avid posters here with new handles? (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: what software do you use? (12:30 PM) Daniel X: lol thnx (12:31 PM) Hollie_: good to try something new, tks (12:31 PM) gunner-: caj,,,,hi (12:31 PM) cajun_: hey gunner ! (12:31 PM) Hollie_: tradestation (12:31 PM) gunner-: can use my real nick here (12:32 PM) cajun_: no need to hide eh? (12:32 PM) gunner-: I was gunx at Avid .. all gunners taken (12:32 PM) rambler_12: were all annonimous --hence the room name (12:32 PM) gunner-: you still at cab's? (12:32 PM) cajun_: is that other site called coffeshop your place? (12:33 PM) gunner-: leftover and we have new place at talkstox.com (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra (12:33 PM) cajun_: yeah rambler - but some of us been around a long time and know many of the traders from other sites (12:34 PM) rambler_12: kewl (12:34 PM) timing 2: long 79.25 (12:34 PM) cajun_: re cab's place - many of the chatters are gone today just lurkers left mostly (12:34 PM) ppusa: Dave, when we came off that 1633 spike, I realized to late that that was just the high on the 15 min bar, and we were going south. (12:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: es and nq 5 min look somewhat like descending triangle also (12:35 PM) gunner-: G9 still there.? (12:36 PM) cajun_: gunner - first tifme using paltalk - ensign steered me fhere (12:36 PM) cajun_: yeah g9 is at swim meet (12:36 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, the 15m inside bar was the sale, on 9m 5m and 3m too (12:37 PM) timing 2: out +1 pay fer burgerking lol (12:37 PM) gunner-: cajun Paltalk gets used differently ... here ,no one talks,, don't know why.. in Coffe Shop, voice only, no one types.. (12:37 PM) gunner-: caj you got mike? Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:39 PM) cajun_: yeah have mike gunner (12:39 PM) ppusa: dan, still short? (12:39 PM) ppusa: this could just be high for this hour (12:40 PM) Daniel X: yes (12:40 PM) Daniel X: down trend line right here (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: fatih_3 has been bounced from the group (12:40 PM) rambler_12: hear u g (12:41 PM) gunner-: cajun use either CTRL key as mike key (12:42 PM) cajun_: i am hearing nothing if anyone is talking (12:42 PM) gunner-: did uoi hear me, (12:42 PM) Hollie_: I hear you g (12:42 PM) gunner-: you (12:43 PM) gunner-: caj if you have cab room up,, ur sound card prob engaged and won't be activated in PaltaLK (12:43 PM) cajun_: i closed it out gunner - probably setup problem here (12:44 PM) cajun_: will figure it out after mkt (12:44 PM) dave_b_quick: you on a firewall cajun? or share yr internet over a network? (12:44 PM) cajun_: zonealarm but that should not matter (12:45 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, with zonealarm there's a box you gotta check (12:45 PM) cajun_: for sound? (12:45 PM) dave_b_quick: from the main paltalk window, setup/advanced/firewall check the box (12:46 PM) dave_b_quick: then you have to restart paltalk and should have sound (12:47 PM) cajun_: ok dave thanks - will do it in a bit (12:47 PM) dave_b_quick: k (12:47 PM) gunner-: caj go to Paltalk entrance window,, click files,, click audio test and follow it (12:48 PM) cajun_: did that earlier gunner - i can hear the test audio (12:48 PM) cajun_: so i thot i was clear (12:49 PM) ppusa: swing high on 5 minute or break out? (12:50 PM) cajun_: nq is testing 7/11 low and there is a timing low due today so i expect an attempt to rally this dog of a mkt (12:50 PM) Daniel X: well as long as it stays below the last swing high @27 (12:50 PM) Orprepus: back - still chop chop (12:50 PM) gunner-: OK Click SETUP icon on first window, click Advanced Sound Controls,, put check mark in boxes 1,3 4,5 and 6 IF running firewall, no check in box 2,, click apply if daRK,, CLICK ok , EXIT PALTALK, rELOAD (12:52 PM) ppusa: oh well (12:52 PM) cajun_: ok thanks gun (12:53 PM) Daniel X: breaking trendline and 200 ema (12:53 PM) Daniel X: and 40 (12:53 PM) gunner-: LONG 82 (12:54 PM) ppusa: 2nd retest of high (12:54 PM) ppusa: day like today, you have to set stops too wide (12:54 PM) Daniel X: agree (12:55 PM) Daniel X: today i saw 4 easy trades for a total of 40 points by getting stopped (12:57 PM) Orprepus: spike on 2m and 3m BB - could run the rail (12:57 PM) Daniel X: 34 long...27 short...27 long and the 29 short (12:58 PM) Daniel X: the last one was a 23 long (12:58 PM) klonerdoug: that was the 34 long at open right? (12:58 PM) ppusa: this is ridiculous (12:58 PM) Daniel X: yes (12:59 PM) Daniel X: at the open (12:59 PM) ppusa: overbot here (01:00 PM) gunner-: beaut on 1 min mini from !2:35 (01:00 PM) cajun_: ya (01:00 PM) ppusa: but who knows wether there is more than 6 ticks in it (01:00 PM) Daniel X: so in a 37 point range it was fairly easy to take 40 + points semi Retro style (01:00 PM) klonerdoug: yeah i like those entries with a 20 long at open and the res as 1650 giving short a bit later (01:01 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, dan, retro needs a scalp mode (01:01 PM) Daniel X: wish i could pull trigger on every one thou! (01:01 PM) Daniel X: lol DAVE (01:01 PM) cajun_: mkt needs to run some shorts (01:02 PM) Daniel X: im in from 26 btw not sure how long i can hold on thou (01:02 PM) Orprepus: dave - what about 5m retro when in chop (01:02 PM) gunner-: amen caj (01:02 PM) dave_b_quick: we'll have to experiment with that, orp (01:03 PM) Daniel X: taking my +4 Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (01:04 PM) gunner-: guys... what is Retro? (01:04 PM) klonerdoug: yeah a gutsy one it was i agree (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: look at the charts list (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: you will see one labeled retro (01:04 PM) Buffy_04364: he enters on teh 15M and exits on the 5M (01:05 PM) cajun_: u can post charts here? (01:06 PM) dave_b_quick: gunner, it's a 15m system we've been tweaking. the details are posted at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/retrotrader.htm (01:06 PM) Orprepus: yes dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: if you have ensign yes (01:06 PM) Buffy_04364: or snagit (01:06 PM) timing 2: short 84 (01:06 PM) cajun_: have both - at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart? (01:06 PM) ppusa: 32 to 26 six ticks (01:07 PM) elly_34: is anyone trading the system with real money? (01:07 PM) timing 2: out+1 (01:07 PM) gunner-: took 2 mini pts.. out 84 (01:07 PM) Daniel X: of course we are (01:07 PM) gunner-: dave tks (01:07 PM) Daniel X: good decision guys (01:08 PM) Daniel X: so far anyways Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, elly, but i don't catch every trade by the book (01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: i had to go for a while (01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: sounds like dan hasn't missed one today tho Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (01:10 PM) elly_34: do you have rules for when not to employ the 15 min charts? like after a wide range day, do u hold off? (01:10 PM) dave_b_quick: not yet, elly, but suggestions welcome (01:11 PM) ppusa: triangle... usualy continuation patterns. (01:11 PM) dave_b_quick: cajun, you can post with SnagIt or with Ensign (01:11 PM) Daniel X: well so far in this choppy day 40 points + is not bad ..even using the 15 min as entry (01:11 PM) elly_34: crystal ball to say, today is going to be a chop chop day, would be nice (01:11 PM) elly_34: 40 is excellent (01:11 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, dan nobody will complain about that (01:11 PM) elly_34: what is the biggest losing day you've seen? (01:12 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL elly, lemme know if you find the crystal ball (01:12 PM) dave_b_quick: biggest losing day was 10 points (01:12 PM) dave_b_quick: on the narrowest range day in a long time (01:13 PM) Daniel X: + right? (01:13 PM) Daniel X: monday i guess (01:13 PM) dave_b_quick: no, got stopped out twice and no more trades monday (01:13 PM) Daniel X: 20.5 point range (01:13 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (01:14 PM) dave_b_quick: haven't been tracking retro for very long, so there's a big disclaimer on it (01:15 PM) dave_b_quick: might be tough to program it for extensive backtesting (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra again (01:19 PM) dave_b_quick: time to go somewhere (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: agreed (01:20 PM) gunner-: long 84 (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: long nq (01:21 PM) Orprepus: nice buffy (01:22 PM) timing 2: nice entry gunner (01:22 PM) Daniel X: missed this one..i'm benched for this play..:-( (01:22 PM) Daniel X: good Buffy (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:23 PM) Daniel X: watching the 4o EMA above for res (01:23 PM) Daniel X: 40 (01:23 PM) Daniel X: 9 min (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: can't wait to get that book and see why some time lines work and others don't but always ready now for something to happen (01:23 PM) Daniel X: right here (01:24 PM) ppusa: busting out of triangle (01:24 PM) Daniel X: 34 was PnF entry (01:24 PM) cajun_: gunner - u are still a gunner ;) (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: posted pyra chart (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: dumb caught the other chart will do again (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:27 PM) cajun_: likely that we run the days highs and some of the stops above - thinking 8950 swing (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: I see still works well on 60M too (01:27 PM) ppusa: P&F's looking a bit o'bot but then there is that 30 point one that says new high (01:28 PM) Daniel X: has to hold 34 imo (01:28 PM) Buffy_04364: reposted (01:29 PM) ppusa: What we are doing today is we are to far away from the ma because we sold off so fast yesterday. So we burn and churn until we bump up against them. then likely continuation of trend. (01:29 PM) Orprepus: pp agree (01:29 PM) wlevicki: could i ask what the settings are for the P&Fs, trying to follow thxs (01:30 PM) Daniel X: 0.50/3 box rev (01:31 PM) ppusa: I would post an intraday hour chart demonstrating this but I can't post from this computer. If someone can, let's take a look. (01:31 PM) gunner-: cajun,, I may be but I still look for the whites of their eyes.. LOL (01:31 PM) cajun_: lol - good scalping (01:32 PM) cajun_: am long from 81ish half - off at +5 (01:33 PM) cajun_: wanting new highs (01:33 PM) ppusa: My P&F's are 4, 5, 6,10, 15, 16, 22.5, 25, 30, 50,7 5, 125 and 200 tick reversals (01:33 PM) Daniel X: pivot @ 1659 (01:33 PM) Daniel X: can we get there (01:33 PM) wlevicki: thanks ppusa (01:33 PM) ppusa: You notice we just got a six tick pullback and now up (01:34 PM) ppusa: the ten will hit on the next leg up (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: that is a lot to watch isn't it (01:34 PM) ppusa: heck yes, but they "flow" sometimes (01:35 PM) Daniel X: well 23 was Rtro's entry i think (01:35 PM) dave_b_quick: surprised you have time to chat lookin at all that pusa (01:35 PM) Daniel X: stop shld be 31 (01:35 PM) ppusa: I really don't (01:35 PM) gunner-: luv those 20EMA1 bounces.. :) (01:35 PM) ppusa: missed a lot of trades today (01:36 PM) ppusa: could just as easily lost on every one (01:36 PM) ppusa: like right now we are not overextended enough to say we will reverse (01:37 PM) Daniel X: me too but i'm trying to study Retro's style so far +60 on the day by at least locking in 10 points (01:37 PM) ppusa: just got shorter term buy signals (01:37 PM) dave_b_quick: gunner is that 20EMA1 bounce one of the trades yr famous for? (01:37 PM) ppusa: now watch this thing here (01:38 PM) Daniel X: DOW + Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:38 PM) gunner-: dave alll i know is it's like watching the ball on those animated song machines.. (01:38 PM) ppusa: the ten and fifteen and sixteen are in buy signals but not overextended. (01:39 PM) ppusa: but they are subject to reversals (01:39 PM) ppusa: so any failure here could be a disaster (01:40 PM) gunner-: I follow it till it fails,,, (01:40 PM) ppusa: so now use all your imaginations, stops, etc and decide for yourself wether we continue or pullback (01:40 PM) ppusa: What the charts say is start looking for a rollover. (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: 1644 is pyra resistance area (01:41 PM) gunner-: ppusa.. that's speculation,, bad for profites,, ket market tell you (01:41 PM) Daniel X: i've gat a down trend line here from since HOD yesterday (01:41 PM) Daniel X: 42.50 (01:41 PM) ppusa: exactly, so start watching and any sign of weakness, gone (01:41 PM) dave_b_quick: wow i just noticed bonds really took off since 1:00 up 36/32 (01:41 PM) Daniel X: failing to take out HOD hmm (01:42 PM) ppusa: still have the 30 point to contend with (01:42 PM) jimbo_320: we need some volume here, or we go back down, volume been contracting all day (01:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: bonds are down 8 tics (01:42 PM) timing 2: buffy all this high tech pyra stuff give me hadache lol (01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M (01:42 PM) ppusa: i could see one more bitty push (01:43 PM) Daniel X: ditto (01:43 PM) Orprepus: pulled of bb 2 & 3M (01:43 PM) ppusa: but is it worth the risk if we don't get it (01:43 PM) Daniel X: nope (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: lol timing (01:43 PM) ppusa: and we are now bumping the trend line on that intraday chart (01:43 PM) jimbo_320: 1195 is top of downtrend on es (01:44 PM) jimbo_320: 8 points ? (01:44 PM) ppusa: normally with this pattern I see a retest attempt as we roll, then it's over. (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: is anyone watching the pyra charts? If not won't bother to post them (01:45 PM) Daniel X: yes i am thnx (01:45 PM) cctraderx: y (01:45 PM) timing 2: short 87 no pyra (01:45 PM) Daniel X: using all i can (01:45 PM) ppusa: But if the fed lowers interest rates right now, you will all hate me (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: ok daniel (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL timing (01:45 PM) ppusa: Now wasn;t that easy!!! (01:46 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:46 PM) ppusa: Should have a bit of a retest (01:46 PM) Orprepus: fed lowers rate before FOMC - sign of panic mkt will tank (01:46 PM) timing 2: buffy pyra had to do with e-wave?? (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra is mathematics based on square root of nine from one anchor point (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: don't know what ewave is based on (01:47 PM) jimbo_320: what day do fed usually lower, pre fomc if they do? (01:47 PM) timing 2: roger thanks (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: I know one happend on a Monday (01:47 PM) cajun_: unusual to leave exact DB and DT on same day - one of them will go (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: the other was either weds or thurs (01:48 PM) Buffy_04364: I believe (01:48 PM) timing 2: out +2 minis (01:49 PM) ppusa: Oh my goodness, is that ten ticks? (01:49 PM) qatwo: sometimes lower half way between meetings, that was july 24, next meeting only week and half away, most likely they will wait (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: I wouldn't bet on a thing with them (01:50 PM) qatwo: yep anything is possible (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:50 PM) Orprepus: market already including 1/4pt cut (01:51 PM) ppusa: okay so next question is do we go to new highs and then get the 15 tick reversal or do we drop... (01:51 PM) jimbo_320: 1185 is trendline retracement on es (01:51 PM) Buffy_04364: yep adn I think some number was higher than what they wanted this morning too (01:51 PM) gunner-: don't think rate decrease in cards with Japan threatening to withdraw investment funds from USA (01:51 PM) jimbo_320: more econ data? (01:52 PM) Orprepus: come on keep rolling over mr slice & dice (01:52 PM) ppusa: OP, you shorted that thing didn't you (01:53 PM) ppusa: and now you are short with a stop (01:53 PM) Orprepus: yes on the 2nd bar off BB spike on 2m NQ (01:54 PM) Orprepus: chop killed me earlier (01:54 PM) ppusa: what was range of 2nd bar (01:54 PM) ppusa: 40-42 (01:54 PM) jimbo_320: sold off quick (01:54 PM) Orprepus: covering - try to scalp (01:55 PM) Orprepus: 41 -39.5 (01:55 PM) ppusa: got ya (01:55 PM) Orprepus: lost the trust today (01:55 PM) Orprepus: need to stick a sock in yoda (01:56 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL (01:56 PM) ppusa: did anything go to new highs on that bounce. the nas didn't. we will tank...!!! (01:56 PM) Orprepus: now it rolls (01:56 PM) beanman_1: Buffy, what TF and degree are you using with pyra? (01:57 PM) cajun_: once a dog - always a dog (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: 4M and 11.25 (01:57 PM) Orprepus: made money - but was uncomfortable - and that is dangerous when emotion comes into my trading (01:57 PM) Orprepus: just read the charts and stick to gameplan from your homework (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: all red bars on es 3 min for last 30 min ! (01:58 PM) ppusa: yea op, i was surprised you covered (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: retro has short signal on the bar also I believe (01:59 PM) ppusa: we could hold and make another run but.... (01:59 PM) Orprepus: hitting bottom bands on BB 2M & 3M - agree could bounce (01:59 PM) Orprepus: inside bars 2 & 3M (02:00 PM) jimbo_320: 1630, 1184 clunk lines? (02:01 PM) Orprepus: bear flag kind of - 60m nq (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is on the 75T (02:02 PM) wlevicki: yes just putting lines on that 60 min (02:03 PM) ppusa: I never like a market that can't make a new high. Usually ays the low is going to go. Could just be chop but... (02:04 PM) sp-leo: I vote for down. I sold es 8650 and dumped 8625 before last spike. I'm out so should go now (02:05 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL (02:05 PM) ppusa: i was too busy typing (02:05 PM) beanman_1: Thanks Buffy,, I assume that is for the NQ... are you using 6 degrees on the ES 4Min? (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't have anything set up for es yet with pyra Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: lets see 11.25 - 5.6 - 2.8 - 1.4 1.4 is what someone was using on the es (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: 1.4 is what Howard posted an es with one day (02:09 PM) Daniel X: isp network went down forced me to take a 15 min break! (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: you should be all relaxed now Daniel (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:10 PM) Daniel X: yes i am lol (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: Mike's trick of reading or filing or somethng during chop chop is a good one (02:10 PM) Daniel X: agreed (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: short (02:11 PM) Daniel X: me too @ 23 (02:12 PM) Daniel X: uh oh the train i almost forgot! (02:12 PM) Daniel X: hope it's headed south like yesterady (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: lost .5 (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I too forgot about the train (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: so put stop tight (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: made higher low also on 75T (02:15 PM) Daniel X: out - 3 (02:18 PM) Daniel X: early i see (02:19 PM) ppusa: trend on 5 minute series of higher highs, higher lows (02:19 PM) Daniel X: Buffy :-) (02:19 PM) ppusa: hey what is this :-) smiley face? (02:20 PM) Daniel X: saved Buffy some points (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: yep (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: long now (02:20 PM) jimbo_320: head and shoulders on es and nq 3 min (02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: doing what the market tells me to do today for a change (02:21 PM) Buffy_04364: out (02:21 PM) ppusa: i want them to make it difficult, like a new low. then maybe i buy (02:21 PM) ppusa: to easy to go long here. (02:22 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah watch out for those easy ones (02:22 PM) ppusa: 1627.5 pivot all day (02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: now short (02:24 PM) ppusa: moving averages have come together on a couple charts... Usually mean getting ready for another leg. (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: posted pyra (02:24 PM) ppusa: Buffy, make up your mind. (02:24 PM) Daniel X: plz yes do!LOL (02:24 PM) ppusa: you flip flop like a pancake (02:24 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:25 PM) Daniel X: // (02:25 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:25 PM) Daniel X: // (02:25 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:25 PM) Daniel X: // (02:25 PM) Daniel X: // (02:25 PM) Daniel X: \\ (02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: yep lots of trades almost like cj (02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm out to find him and see how we compare today (02:25 PM) klonerdoug: 34 has rejected quite a bit today also (02:27 PM) Buffy_04364: oh Dave took all indicators off charts except for 9/20 EMA and TL (02:27 PM) dave_b_quick: where is CJ, anyway? (02:27 PM) jimbo_320: the only guy whose up today is my broker :-) (02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know (02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: he is on so much be in T's room (02:29 PM) klonerdoug: i'm trying to key of msft intc here for short (02:30 PM) ppusa: see ya (02:31 PM) Orprepus: go baby go (02:32 PM) jimbo_320: neckline break on es and nq, slide (02:32 PM) ppusa: da train, da train (02:32 PM) jimbo_320: choo chooo (02:33 PM) ppusa: bit overdone here (02:33 PM) klonerdoug: missed 24 on a limit in ... too slow typing (02:33 PM) jimbo_320: too choppy (02:33 PM) klonerdoug: 18 was cover point (02:34 PM) Daniel X: 23 looking like an entry (02:34 PM) Daniel X: long (02:34 PM) ppusa: hour chart might want to continue (02:35 PM) ppusa: still like to see a new low but...I bot too. (02:35 PM) ppusa: don't know why (02:36 PM) klonerdoug: ok traders i'm done 45 points today ... not getting sloppy into close (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: very nice day for you (02:36 PM) klonerdoug: i'll be back tm (02:36 PM) ppusa: at bottom 2min bb (02:36 PM) Daniel X: great day! (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: you are right to quit while ahead (02:36 PM) ppusa: op what's up (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: phychologically a big plus (02:37 PM) jimbo_320: nice one, post us some tips kloner (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: please do (02:37 PM) ppusa: sold (02:38 PM) jimbo_320: another 3 losers today, this is getting a habit i need to kick (02:38 PM) ppusa: Who wants to meet me at Burger King? (02:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (02:38 PM) Orprepus: pp holding for 60m chart (02:38 PM) Daniel X: what city? Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:39 PM) ppusa: jimnbo, sounds stupid but buy low and sell high 90 percent of the time on the nas and you be fine (02:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: paris (02:39 PM) Daniel X: let me fuel the jet. (02:39 PM) Orprepus: too hot (02:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: paris, ny (02:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: not far from rome (02:40 PM) ppusa: darn, i could have afforded a steak (02:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: not far from home... if you are dave (02:40 PM) rambler_12: not paris las vegas? (02:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: ok... (02:40 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL (02:41 PM) ppusa: Daniel will pick him up (02:42 PM) jimbo_320: it'll clunk now, i've covered, just too choppy for tight risk management (02:42 PM) Orprepus: this still has room for a down move (02:42 PM) ppusa: Is that what the space nder my chart is for? (02:42 PM) Daniel X: 1rst sup @ 1598 (02:42 PM) Daniel X: 1598 1rst PP sup (02:43 PM) ppusa: keeps bouncing off that 2 min BB (02:43 PM) Daniel X: let's get trough this @B first (02:43 PM) Daniel X: 2 B (02:43 PM) jimbo_320: problem with todays market market is a trend lasts one day, then its back to the chop (02:44 PM) ppusa: trend may continue tomorrow (02:45 PM) jimbo_320: take yesterday, down all day, 100 points, why not oblige us traders and give us 30 a day, that'll do me (02:45 PM) ppusa: I'll bet lots thinks today's high is going to go and when it doesn't oh my. (02:46 PM) ppusa: the trend is starting to fall into place again on the 60 miin after yesterday's precipitous drop (02:47 PM) ppusa: or how ever you spell it (02:47 PM) jimbo_320: this thai red curry is delicious though :-) (02:47 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:47 PM) Daniel X: 9 min never went long (02:48 PM) rambler_12: partipicous (02:48 PM) ppusa: you are rambliing (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: precipitous (02:49 PM) jimbo_320: but we get the jist (02:49 PM) rambler_12: sorry : ) (02:52 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't spell either :-) (02:52 PM) jimbo_320: spose its support and resistance, when something major goes (like 1200/1700) it tanks, 1180 might just take a bit longer to crack, a few more days (02:55 PM) Orprepus: need rt spell check for paltlak - thers a product to invest in (02:56 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:56 PM) rambler_12: 15 oclock rush almost here (02:57 PM) Daniel X: rush for the exit.LOL (02:58 PM) jimbo_320: market is trying to tempt us by setting a lower low, i spose i'll have to reverse those buy, sell buttons again (02:59 PM) Daniel X: GIGGLE (02:59 PM) ppusa: Hour chart looking like trend continuation. If it will just continue selling off, it will look normal (02:59 PM) Orprepus: he he (02:59 PM) ppusa: keep bouncing (02:59 PM) ppusa: boring (02:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: poor liquidity (02:59 PM) Daniel X: yes it is (02:59 PM) jimbo_320: zzzzz (03:00 PM) ppusa: they keep tempting me these bounces (03:00 PM) Daniel X: Market Devils (03:01 PM) jimbo_320: just a slow gring down, mixed with chop, the worst kind of trading day, anyone thinks up a trading method for this - you'll make millions (03:01 PM) jimbo_320: grind (03:02 PM) ppusa: i bot again (03:02 PM) rambler_12: best u can do is scalp off the bollinger bands (03:02 PM) ppusa: don't know why (03:02 PM) jimbo_320: what we need is a java app, that automatically switches buy,sell buttons where appropriate. It just so happens I have the solution...... (03:02 PM) Daniel X: too choppy for me (03:02 PM) sp-leo: buy the volume/price blowout (03:02 PM) sp-leo: stop-running (03:02 PM) ppusa: i am putting some faith in my 30 point P&F (03:03 PM) ppusa: what v/p blowout (03:03 PM) sp-leo: that spike down (03:03 PM) sp-leo: blew out the support on excessive volume (03:03 PM) jimbo_320: just wish i could afford to trade with a 10 point stop on es, thats the solution (03:04 PM) ppusa: let me know if you see a v/p blowout (03:04 PM) sp-leo: ok (03:04 PM) sp-leo: I suppose you want is ahead of time :) (03:05 PM) ppusa: duh (03:05 PM) jimbo_320: nq 3min, i dont think i've ever seen such a choppy downtrend (03:05 PM) Daniel X: ditto (03:06 PM) Orprepus: what trend? (03:06 PM) ppusa: i get steak, i get steak (03:06 PM) Orprepus: hehe (03:06 PM) jimbo_320: breakout breakout (03:07 PM) ppusa: sold (03:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: shook out longs and sucked in shrots down there, and then ran it other way (03:07 PM) ppusa: maybe i have chop suey (03:07 PM) Daniel X: filet mignon (03:07 PM) sp-leo: sell 8650 limit (03:08 PM) ppusa: should have kept one with stop (03:08 PM) sp-leo: that's the trade (03:08 PM) ppusa: could just be another fakey Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (03:09 PM) jimbo_320: so es has trading range of measly 8 points today, and 3 point chop :-( (03:09 PM) Daniel X: how could u trade es?! (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: dont lose your assets (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: ass-ets (03:10 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (03:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: sorry, was not responding to your question, danile (03:10 PM) Daniel X: ok (03:10 PM) jimbo_320: agree, i might join the big boys :-) (03:12 PM) sp-leo: ok, ppusa, short 86.50 (03:12 PM) sp-leo: broke out that resistance on good volume (03:13 PM) jimbo_320: didnt someone say we close at the highs? (03:13 PM) jimbo_320: need to keep cnbc happy (03:13 PM) ppusa: that was me yesteerday (03:15 PM) sp-leo: ok, an easy $100 per contract (03:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: how did you pick 8650? (03:16 PM) sp-leo: the ground is littered with $100 bills (03:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: krispy kremes at 27 now (03:17 PM) sp-leo: I use the resistance of at least 45 min. I usually add 2 points but am usually missed like that last spike down. (03:18 PM) sp-leo: I used the 86.50 bcause it was the cluster of closes at the highs (03:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c, thnx... right on the money (03:18 PM) wlevicki: 86.50 was right on my es 55 tick pyra chart and a wave 3 target off low there on the tick chart (03:18 PM) sp-leo: and that was my first short that I was ticked off about (03:18 PM) ppusa: sp-leo, the nas volume fell off on that run up to the high (03:18 PM) wlevicki: coincedance prolly (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: better to be lucky than smart (03:19 PM) Daniel X: well looks like it was a wise decision staying out..the last trade was the 23 long (03:20 PM) Daniel X: not true...if you're dumb u won't recognize luck! (03:21 PM) Daniel X: if you're smart you can always say it was dumb luck!..LOL (03:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:21 PM) ppusa: dumb luck, i bot again (03:21 PM) Daniel X: ha ha ha (03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp is up on the day... pretty amazing, cuz it feels like was bad day (03:22 PM) Daniel X: good luck (03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:22 PM) ppusa: hey so is the dow (03:22 PM) ppusa: back up the truck (03:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: es hod (03:23 PM) ppusa: we look pretty good here (03:23 PM) ppusa: indu too (03:24 PM) ppusa: sold (03:24 PM) ppusa: buying dips (03:24 PM) ppusa: maybe (03:24 PM) ppusa: hit upper 2min BB (03:25 PM) jimbo_320: maybe we could even go back and test the lows LOL (03:25 PM) ppusa: Orp, what do you think of this? (03:28 PM) Daniel X: gosh i wish i knew! (03:29 PM) ppusa: dow giving it up again (03:29 PM) Daniel X: exshauting day (03:29 PM) sp-leo: looks like the high is in (03:29 PM) ppusa: probably nothing to gete excited about (03:29 PM) ppusa: just the usual upper end of the range (03:32 PM) elly_34: how did the retro end up so far daniel? (03:32 PM) ppusa: ooo, lala (03:33 PM) Daniel X: well with a little adjusting in this type of chop and locking in every 10 point move 60+ points (03:33 PM) elly_34: that is excellent daniel (03:34 PM) Daniel X: 34 long..27 sell..27 long...29 sell ...23 long (03:34 PM) elly_34: stops are 5? or are they chart based? (03:35 PM) Daniel X: all entries on 15 min exits on 10 point stop gains (03:35 PM) ppusa: stops, who needs stinkin stops (03:35 PM) Daniel X: initial stop 5 points (03:35 PM) Daniel X: lol (03:35 PM) sp-leo: can't lose if you dont use a stop (03:36 PM) ppusa: definition of a long term trade (03:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: if cant lose, then not trading (03:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: drugs putting me to sleep (03:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp unch on day Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:39 PM) Daniel X: i cannot hold as long as Retro Trader but even if i don't I think i'll be happy with half of his gains! (03:39 PM) Daniel X: left 28 points on the table today trying to hold (03:39 PM) elly_34: understand (03:39 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, not a good day for holding (03:39 PM) Daniel X: got 15 (03:40 PM) ppusa: blend to the trend (03:40 PM) jimbo_320: i have a 3 min bar with 116 contracts traded nq, 120 es, at 3pm (03:40 PM) elly_34: use IB? (03:40 PM) dave_b_quick: y (03:40 PM) jimbo_320: we should at least fake the highs on nq lol (03:41 PM) Daniel X: looking like last thursday's close (03:41 PM) jimbo_320: and we know what friday was like don't we .... (03:42 PM) Daniel X: oh yah (03:42 PM) dave_b_quick: summer fridays must be good for something... (03:42 PM) ppusa: everything is going positive (03:43 PM) jimbo_320: the beach beckons tommorrow... (03:43 PM) gunner-: long into close. 86.5 (03:44 PM) ppusa: if it holds, nice head and shoulders on nas index (03:44 PM) ppusa: do you suppose? (03:45 PM) jimbo_320: close at 1640, i'm up 10, go go (03:45 PM) ppusa: long too (03:47 PM) gunner-: "fire in the hole" LOL (03:48 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, daniel, got yr message but couldn't reply (03:48 PM) Daniel X: no no thank you! (03:48 PM) jimbo_320: out 38.5 +8.5 will have to do (03:49 PM) Daniel X: good Jim (03:49 PM) ppusa: out (03:49 PM) ppusa: hour chart on nas looks great (03:50 PM) Daniel X: 23 was the PNF break out # (03:50 PM) ppusa: time frame? (03:50 PM) Daniel X: 31 res test pasted with flying colors (03:50 PM) Daniel X: 5 min (03:50 PM) Daniel X: passed (03:51 PM) ppusa: PNF tick numbers? (03:51 PM) Daniel X: no 1 X above 22 (03:51 PM) Daniel X: 23 (03:52 PM) Daniel X: the actual printed last up leg # (03:52 PM) Daniel X: sorry first up leg before we were getting lower highs (03:53 PM) Daniel X: see it? (03:53 PM) ppusa: i see we broke tops at 24 and 24.5 (03:54 PM) Daniel X: what rev are you using..3 box? (03:54 PM) Daniel X: box size 0.50 (03:54 PM) ppusa: okay (03:54 PM) ppusa: checking (03:55 PM) gravestonedoggie: sp unch (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe a doji on daily (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, both nq and es look like will be doji bar, unless move here (03:57 PM) ppusa: trading above ma's Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (03:59 PM) jimbo_320: long 33 (04:00 PM) Daniel X: don't give it a rest do you?LOL (04:00 PM) jimbo_320: i know it want to take out the highs ! LOL (04:00 PM) jimbo_320: out +3 (04:00 PM) Daniel X: i hope ur prepared to trade till 4:15 (04:01 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (04:02 PM) Daniel X: alright everyone it was an excellent day for us..same time same place.... have a great evening. (04:03 PM) ppusa: hey Dan (04:03 PM) jimbo_320: nice one dan X, you too (04:03 PM) ppusa: yo, Dan (04:03 PM) Daniel X: yes PPUSA (04:03 PM) jimbo_320: tick keeps going up (04:04 PM) ppusa: doesn't that buy sig you got occur at 24 ? Not that it matters much but was curious. (04:04 PM) dave_b_quick: Thanks to all for making this a great day (04:04 PM) ppusa: got one at 23, then a sell, then back to a buy (04:04 PM) Daniel X: wlcm Dave (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: bet you didn't even notice I was gone (04:05 PM) gunner-: come on, boyz,, take it up. .finish my day..:) (04:05 PM) Daniel X: No my 5 min PnF says buy 1 point above 22 (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: dsl went down (04:05 PM) ppusa: what is the time on the bar you are looking at (04:05 PM) Daniel X: betcha feel all relaxed now eh Buffy (04:06 PM) ppusa: hehe (04:06 PM) Daniel X: backing up data give me a sec (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (04:06 PM) Buffy_04364: no I had to call best and wanted back in Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: Looking forward to seeing retro's chart tonight (04:10 PM) dave_b_quick: who is Tack that posted the NQ1m candle chart this afternoon? (04:10 PM) gunner-: flat with small donation to old traders fund. (04:11 PM) jimbo_320: what is this retro you always talk about? (04:11 PM) Daniel X: the up leg started @ 14:59 @1616.50 to break the high of 22 printed at14:10 and once it broke above 22 it continued to 15:10 to the high of 1627 then the pullbackheld 23 and continued up (04:11 PM) dave_b_quick: the details are at www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com/retrotrader.htm (04:11 PM) rambler_12: is it the cancel last trade button? (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: it is a nice chart tack - whoever you are (04:13 PM) ppusa: thanks, checking it out (04:13 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, that's what i was gonna say (04:13 PM) Daniel X: didu get all that PPUSA? (04:13 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (04:13 PM) ppusa: ssure did.checkiing (04:13 PM) dave_b_quick: daniel, do you use ensign? (04:14 PM) Daniel X: no ..Investor RT a trading package comparible to TS (04:14 PM) dave_b_quick: oh, you can post yr charts by downloading SnagIt (04:14 PM) ppusa: i think some of your quotes are different (04:15 PM) Daniel X: costed me 1g (04:15 PM) ppusa: for instance after the breakout, i show a low of 22 (04:15 PM) ppusa: 14:20 (04:15 PM) Daniel X: depends on your box size and your reversal box size (04:15 PM) dave_b_quick: ppusa, hope to see some of yr charts too (04:15 PM) jimbo_320: is retro one of you lot? (04:16 PM) ppusa: yea, anyway i get the picture (04:16 PM) ppusa: our quote providers may miss a tick or two (04:16 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, jimbo (04:16 PM) doki_1: Hello to everybody my name is Laszlo (04:16 PM) Daniel X: less noise using .50 as box size and 3 as revesal (04:16 PM) dave_b_quick: hi lazlo (04:16 PM) ppusa: since I can't send these (post), i can tell you what i have. (04:17 PM) ppusa: ensign (04:17 PM) Daniel X: wish i could post to Da Charts ..but i'm running a MAC (04:17 PM) dave_b_quick: ppusa, you can post if you upgrade ensign to the latest version (04:17 PM) ppusa: ensign on a mac? (04:17 PM) Daniel X: i luv to see them PPUSA go ahead and post (04:17 PM) dave_b_quick: dan, there's probably a way, i just dono what it is (04:18 PM) Daniel X: no no i don't use ensign (04:18 PM) doki_1: May I ask what you are trading here? (04:18 PM) ppusa: I use another computer for internet soi can't post (04:18 PM) jimbo_320: dave, blimey, how ya read those charts ! (04:18 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (04:18 PM) dave_b_quick: lazlo, we're trading index futures (04:18 PM) ppusa: maybe this weekend i can post. (04:19 PM) dave_b_quick: which one ya lookin at jimbo? (04:19 PM) Daniel X: we're buying and selling things on the Global Market.LOL (04:19 PM) jimbo_320: price/volume, works for me ( er sometimes) (04:19 PM) ppusa: or I could set up a video camera and do it on paltalk (04:19 PM) ppusa: that would be a trip (04:19 PM) Daniel X: could you really! (04:19 PM) jimbo_320: dave, the one with all the squares on (04:19 PM) ppusa: i think you can (04:19 PM) ppusa: thought i saw something (04:20 PM) Daniel X: no i meant would you (04:20 PM) dave_b_quick: oh jimbo, that's probably buffy's pyrapoint charts, she's the only one who knows how to do much with it yet (04:21 PM) ppusa: I'll think of some way. in the meantime, i'm going to go play (04:21 PM) ppusa: see ya (04:21 PM) Daniel X: g.night all..it's been a blast. (04:21 PM) ppusa: fun day (04:21 PM) ppusa: bye (04:21 PM) jimbo_320: dave u trade the 15min (04:22 PM) dave_b_quick: ya (04:22 PM) dave_b_quick: you? (04:22 PM) jimbo_320: i like you 80 pointer (04:23 PM) dave_b_quick: oh ya, everybody liked that one (04:24 PM) jimbo_320: whatsyour stop size on that? (04:25 PM) jimbo_320: 3 min (04:26 PM) dave_b_quick: retro? (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: well, all going to go play some bridge - see u tomorrow (04:28 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for the fun day (04:34 PM) dave_b_quick: g'nite all Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. 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