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Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! dave_b_quick: Morning all dave_b_quick: Howard posted some nice illustrations of the new Ensign features Buffy_04364: Yep he sure did Buffy_04364: even shows how to set up ensign to auto post your charts now dave_b_quick: i posted that one Buffy_04364: I have been playing with it and so far no bugs Buffy_04364: you posted ensign setup images? sorry Buffy_04364: thougth Howard did dave_b_quick: no prob Buffy_04364: nice job Buffy_04364: should of known it is a gif and not a jpg dave_b_quick: dan nestor suggested i show the 5m exits as well as the 15m entries for retrotrader Buffy_04364: have to be more observant LOL dave_b_quick: howard posted some GIF's too Buffy_04364: that is what I am trying to do here Buffy_04364: didn't know if you were going to post a retro or not dave_b_quick: ya, i just reposted it with the exits Buffy_04364: nice job I like it dave_b_quick: tnx Buffy_04364: when the market is slow I plan on going over to Howards room and "pick his brain" on this new stuff :-) (09:23 AM) GGriz: the silent treatment, eh? (09:25 AM) dave_b_quick: g'morning, griz! Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:28 AM) cctraderx: morning (09:28 AM) cctraderx: wow, Buffy now has a hammer (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: yep, for use when dave not around :-) (09:30 AM) dave_b_quick: buffy opened up this AM (09:32 AM) Daniel X: 1689 pivot point 1rst support (09:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: es skinny bars (09:36 AM) ppusa: long (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: someone was already in here Dave don_ks I think (09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: did discover that everytime you leave the room you have to redo it (09:37 AM) Buffy_04364: to have the hammer (09:37 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, have to enter as admin (09:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox not showing much selling and has possible base on 10 min chart (09:38 AM) Buffy_04364: tks gsd (09:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: in fact sox now fractionalyly plus on day (09:40 AM) ppusa: out (09:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: semis still moving higher, up 2+ on day (09:43 AM) ppusa: i thinnk we look good this morning. I am wondering if we will get more of a retest of the lows and then a rally. (09:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: semis must be about only thing up (09:44 AM) gravestonedoggie: givne the way indices act (09:45 AM) cctraderx: nasd comp not all that weak - down 12 with all the negative for now (09:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox hod up 4 (09:46 AM) ppusa: yes. any rally may turn into an outside up day (09:47 AM) Daniel X: inside 5 min (09:47 AM) Daniel X: looking for a retro trade (09:47 AM) ppusa: was (09:47 AM) gravestonedoggie: trin has moved from 2.80 to .82 (09:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: er, .92? (09:48 AM) ppusa: retest lows (09:51 AM) Daniel X: Dave ..Retro's entry would be 81 on a short..plz confirm (09:53 AM) Daniel X: DAVE? (09:53 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, same as breakout to new lows (09:53 AM) Daniel X: thnx (09:54 AM) dave_b_quick: stop-limit might be advisable down there since it's under LOD (09:54 AM) Daniel X: ditto (09:54 AM) ppusa: long at 88 (09:55 AM) gravestonedoggie: es double bottomed (09:55 AM) ppusa: out (09:55 AM) Daniel X: good one Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:56 AM) ppusa: would like to see a retest closer to night low (09:56 AM) Daniel X: PP@ 1708 (09:56 AM) ppusa: if we retest and then come back thru the high, I will back up the truck (09:57 AM) dave_b_quick: LOL (10:00 AM) ppusa: the reverse scenario is we go put in the hod and then sell off again (10:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox rally has begun to falter (10:01 AM) cctraderx: remember beige book numbers release later today - 130 or 230 et (10:02 AM) ppusa: wholesale trade down 0.2 % (10:02 AM) ppusa: no reaction (10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: cc I thought 2 :-) (10:02 AM) cctraderx: see I had it straddled Buffy (10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (10:04 AM) cctraderx: 2 is good maybe it'll be out of the way for the 2:20 train (10:07 AM) ih8rocker66: WHERE DO I GO TO SEE WHEN I''M GETTING MY REFUND CHECK (10:07 AM) cctraderx: mailbox, hehe (10:07 AM) ih8rocker66: ONLINE? (10:07 AM) gravestonedoggie: shorted 2.75 (10:08 AM) ih8rocker66: whats the website? (10:08 AM) Buffy_04364: will ask David he knows (10:09 AM) Buffy_04364: might take a bit but he will get back to us (10:09 AM) gravestonedoggie: covered 2 even (10:10 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox up only 1 now (10:12 AM) jimbo_320: zzzzz (10:12 AM) gravestonedoggie: ya (10:12 AM) cctraderx: IH8 see website http://www.irs.gov/ind_info/apinfo/index.html#TimeFrame (10:13 AM) Daniel X: basing or weakness (10:13 AM) cctraderx: for refund info (10:13 AM) Buffy_04364: great cc (10:13 AM) jimbo_320: cisco didnt provide the good news (10:13 AM) Daniel X: we're chopping but chopping up so far (10:14 AM) ppusa: the majority of my P and F charts have had enough legs down to where I am looking for some ups. My interpretation would be looking to buy lower maybe for an upturn. If we go up first, scenario changes. (10:14 AM) Daniel X: ditto (10:14 AM) ppusa: and wouldn't short here (10:14 AM) ppusa: only higher (10:15 AM) ppusa: except for scalps (10:15 AM) jimbo_320: i think we take out 1200 today (10:15 AM) gravestonedoggie: semis perking up again (10:16 AM) ppusa: pullback on nas looks like flag (10:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: gap nearly filled (10:16 AM) jimbo_320: 1205 is top of triangle on es 45, the test (10:16 AM) Daniel X: looking for 1708 (10:17 AM) ppusa: short term overbot here (10:18 AM) ppusa: if we start to rolll, may try short scalp (10:18 AM) Daniel X: cut 1/2 (10:18 AM) Daniel X: out +4 combined (10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: ditto daniel (10:19 AM) Daniel X: good everyone (10:19 AM) ppusa: looks like HOD of yester (10:19 AM) cctraderx: thanks jimbo on p&f info (10:20 AM) Daniel X: i still see up thou (10:20 AM) Daniel X: but im scalping never the less (10:21 AM) Daniel X: P& F break @ 1708 (10:21 AM) cctraderx: csco news was not that bad more of confirmation of what they said in the past (10:21 AM) jimbo_320: tick 754 (10:23 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes, well, market had recovered pretty well by 4 am, but then whjen european markets opened weak, US weakened too (10:25 AM) gravestonedoggie: csco off 1/2.. not a huige factor (10:25 AM) cctraderx: agree (10:25 AM) jimbo_320: 1204 is gonna be a tough cookie to crak (10:25 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox hod test (10:25 AM) Daniel X: thnx GSD Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:26 AM) cctraderx: I just wish I could have been next door listening to Glen talk about how bad it was going to be (10:26 AM) Daniel X: looking for 08 (10:26 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:26 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (10:27 AM) ppusa: ma's in steep uptrend (10:27 AM) dave_b_quick: was jimbo talking? (10:27 AM) jimbo_320: no just killing my short for -1 (10:27 AM) Daniel X: pivot @ 1708 also (10:28 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox breaking decisively to new high.... not sure if this cash index data is not a bit behind in rreporting (10:28 AM) ppusa: should roll in here but no indication yet (10:29 AM) cctraderx: 1206 pivot es (10:29 AM) Daniel X: break out (10:29 AM) John FF: look for 15 and 25 now (10:29 AM) Daniel X: out +5 (10:30 AM) ppusa: 25 would give us outside up day (10:31 AM) ppusa: thanks for the retest, not (10:32 AM) bigrexxx: spooz pattern looking same as yest morning (10:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: es hesitating under gap fill (10:32 AM) bigrexxx: both futs near 20ema 15min (10:34 AM) bigrexxx: tick massive slight tickq neg divergence (10:34 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox up 8 and still rallying (10:34 AM) Daniel X: back in one 5 min bar (10:35 AM) dave_b_quick: g'morning Howard (10:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: es makes unch (10:35 AM) Buffy_04364: trying to Howard (10:35 AM) dave_b_quick: yes (10:35 AM) John FF: Ensign Software, can you import trading indicators that are ela format? (10:36 AM) Buffy_04364: can you have different time frames on the same chart? (10:36 AM) bigrexxx: de mark must say sell on 3min chart nq yes? (10:36 AM) Ensign Software: no, we do not read TS ela format. they would have to be manually converted to equivalent ESPL statements and logic (10:37 AM) Ensign Software: no, buffy, overlays use the same time frame (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: like the windows coming up on chart - can same thing be done for the color window? (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: and great idea to have draw tools etc included on right click (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: much easeir (10:38 AM) Ensign Software: dave-b--quick, thanks for posting last night a better example of the SetUp | Images form. Also, when Ensign runs, we automatically change the date on the www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com path. Of course one can override the default, but having it as a default will keep some from making a mistake by forgetting to change the date each day. (10:38 AM) Daniel X: 1715 is down trend line from last friday's close (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: the one that comes up in properties (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: when changing a line color (10:39 AM) John FF: 1705 1st sup area (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: ok np (10:39 AM) Buffy_04364: just thought I would ask (10:39 AM) Daniel X: 1708 on PP (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: enjoy the vaca (10:40 AM) dave_b_quick: Howard, in ESPL user studies, instead of SetUser(ePosition,6,... can i leave the number out and set the position from the study properties dialog? (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: good ? dave! (10:41 AM) gravestonedoggie: could see momentum roll over there on mike's oscillators pretty nicely (10:41 AM) John FF: How difficult to chg to espl from ela? (10:41 AM) bigrexxx: in the time theory work we were talking yest.--in a downtrend this 2nd 60 min bar would be red the bulls buy the open and then 2nd hour fade (10:41 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i was wondering that to, John (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: yep the REI demark showed it well (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: is there a max to number of studies under a chart? (10:43 AM) John FF: ES, please advise, thx (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: I ask because I had my tick data there and then it disappeared and couldn't get it back when I added another study window (10:44 AM) Ensign Software: dave, if you are trying to set the other parameters on the SetUser(ePosition then the panel HAS to be provided. Not user without testing where the study would plot if Setuser(ePosition were not included at all. In that case, it might use the default study location, ie the panel selected on the properties form and then saved with Use as Default. But again, I would need to test to be sure. (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: sorry john don't do es (10:45 AM) John FF: meant for ensign software (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (10:47 AM) Ensign Software: on converting ela to ESPL, we have done a few for customers and find that around 80% of the statements, particularly expressions convert straight across. There is some logic change where ela says Plot and in ESPL we have to put that plotting inside of a FOR loop that indexes all bars for the calculation. So, there is some slight difference in approach. The task might seem harder (10:48 AM) Daniel X: PPUSA looks like the HOD is in. (10:48 AM) Ensign Software: for someone new to ESPL, but experienced in ela. The tendency is to always think in ela and then try to convert to ESPL. A better approach is to learn ESPL with an open mind and edit examples of similar things already done in ESPL. (10:49 AM) ppusa: all my P&F charts are happy with that (10:49 AM) Ensign Software: Of course, I am very familiar with ESPL since I designed it and converting from ela is not that difficult. Easier for me to do that it would be for you to do, but then you have me as a resource to coach you through your effort so you will succeed. (10:50 AM) John FF: thank you (10:51 AM) Ensign Software: Buffy, there is not a maximum number of studies the chart can have. There are 8 sub-window, and a 9th for volume,and anyor all of these could be used, and they can be shared too. So, you will end up with too much clutter before you run out of capacity. (10:51 AM) Ensign Software: I posted lots of charts in the www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com Aug 8th folder for you to look at when you have time. (10:52 AM) Ensign Software: bye, will return to the Ensign room and be there if you need any help or have a question. (10:52 AM) Ensign Software: good trading everyone. Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: I think we all have Howard (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (10:57 AM) Daniel X: PnF bearish catapult on 1 min which is a triple bottom break followed by a double bottom break (10:57 AM) ppusa: nervous about shorting this close to yester's highs just like yesterday (10:57 AM) Daniel X: we'll see...they're supposed to be 75% accurate (10:57 AM) Ensign Software: Just remembered I should have announced that the Training Class is this afternoon at 3:30 pm Central time in the Ensign Windows Users group Paltalk room. Training today will be on the features of the quote page. Please drop in for training, and everyone is welcome, even those who do not yet use Ensign Windows. Never know, but you might just get converted to it. (10:59 AM) Ensign Software: Buffy, would you remind this room again of the class near the end of the trading day? Thanks, I probably will be too busy to be able to remind again. (10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: will do (10:59 AM) Ensign Software: thx (10:59 AM) Buffy_04364: always say I am leaving for ensign class (11:00 AM) cctraderx: awesome 5 min candle on es (11:02 AM) Buffy_04364: test of to today? (11:02 AM) cctraderx: ? (11:02 AM) Daniel X: forcing a short cover (11:02 AM) Daniel X: i guess (11:03 AM) cctraderx: and running stops (11:03 AM) Buffy_04364: TL on 15M too (11:03 AM) ppusa: Dan, I just bot again and got out, I don't have the stomach to go short here. (11:03 AM) Daniel X: me either (11:03 AM) cctraderx: pa is too strong to short here (11:04 AM) Daniel X: my last short was 15 tried to play retro style stopped B/E (11:04 AM) Buffy_04364: it would be an against the trend trade for sure (11:04 AM) ppusa: yes, the P and F's are satisfied, but they have too many legs down as I mentioned earlier. If we go much higher they all get buy signals (11:04 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i would short if this turns into a 2B test on 5m tho (11:04 AM) Daniel X: ditto (11:04 AM) cctraderx: wow (11:05 AM) cctraderx: hod on es was 1212 (11:05 AM) ppusa: Yea, I'll short if we DEFINATELY die. But not here. (11:06 AM) ppusa: No markets have higher highs than yesterday last time I looked. (11:06 AM) ppusa: Wait (11:07 AM) ppusa: indu does (11:07 AM) Daniel X: 11 am dmz (11:07 AM) ppusa: now (11:07 AM) ppusa: oex too (11:08 AM) ppusa: outside up day (11:08 AM) ppusa: Possibly low of week (11:08 AM) Daniel X: 1725 next entry for me long (11:08 AM) ppusa: Orp, you have some feed back? (11:09 AM) Daniel X: what about Retro how is he doing today? (11:09 AM) gravestonedoggie: 10 minutes ago were saying high of day, now it's low of week? (11:09 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:09 AM) cctraderx: orp's probably long and still holding (11:10 AM) ppusa: GSD, I said my P&F's weree happy, that's all (11:10 AM) ppusa: before that I said they looked like they wanted to get up legs (11:10 AM) Dirk-X: 2b on 3min NQ...trying it short...SS=1715 (11:10 AM) ppusa: Now the nas looks top heavy (11:11 AM) Dirk-X: morning (11:11 AM) ppusa: but I also said I don't have the stomach to go short (11:11 AM) cctraderx: hi dirk (11:12 AM) Daniel X: i often peg the tops but don't have the cajones to pull yhe trigger (11:14 AM) Dirk-X: I figure its a small risk....and I'm playing with the market's money right now (which is ALWAYS a stupid attitude)..so, I'm taking a little shot..and if it doesn't pay, I'll be in the other way (11:14 AM) Daniel X: the 20 ema is coming thru the pivot@1708...not sure about a short yet. (11:14 AM) Daniel X: looks good on 1 min tf thou (11:14 AM) ppusa: yesterday's high 19.5 intraday (11:14 AM) gravestonedoggie: "Daniel X: PPUSA looks like the HOD is in...ppusa: all my P&F charts are happy with that" (11:14 AM) ppusa: GSD correct (11:15 AM) Daniel X: ditto (11:15 AM) gravestonedoggie: just trying to get the pnf thing (11:15 AM) ppusa: that's exactly what I said (11:15 AM) ppusa: meaning first they reverse. (11:15 AM) gravestonedoggie: of course it is, i cut/paste it (11:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: wht i am getting at is how does pnf tell where hod is as soon as it happens 9in this case, prematurely) (11:16 AM) Daniel X: lost data back in 5 min (11:16 AM) ppusa: My P&F charts needed to reverse up which they did at 1710 (11:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: ? (11:17 AM) ppusa: Well after they reversed up, they can reverse down or keep going into buy signals (11:17 AM) Daniel X: GSD my call on HOD was not PnF related (11:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: oh.. ok.. what did tip you off that might be hod? (11:18 AM) Daniel X: is was based on a trend line begining at last fridays close (11:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: i c, thnx (11:19 AM) ppusa: probably blew right thru that (11:19 AM) Dirk-X: still holding short (11:20 AM) Daniel X: seeing that dirk went short there validated that alot of us are on the same page (11:21 AM) gravestonedoggie: unfortunately, i am generally clueless about when hod occurs... reason i ask (11:21 AM) Daniel X: ppusa is pretty good at calling them (11:21 AM) ppusa: I tried a short too, but we never rolled over which was what I was looking for for confirmation (as I had mentioned) Got out ad lost. (11:21 AM) ppusa: and lost (11:22 AM) gravestonedoggie: i c... i though short too, but never pulled triigger (11:23 AM) ppusa: I like to call them under different circumstances. Not here because of number of days down (11:23 AM) ppusa: i am long (11:23 AM) Daniel X: ok (11:23 AM) Daniel X: macd going + (11:24 AM) ppusa: overbot (11:24 AM) ppusa: looking for exit (11:24 AM) ppusa: yesterdays high 1727 Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:26 AM) Daniel X: dmz tf no trade for me..vol too low. (11:26 AM) ppusa: hey GSD, as far as HOD vs. low of week, we gapped down this week and any sustained rally would undoubtedly fill that gap. (11:27 AM) ppusa: so once again if we retest today's low and then come back and take out the high, I will back up the truck. (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: when you folks using ensign have a chance (11:28 AM) lovelybabe_2: whats new here (11:28 AM) gravestonedoggie: ok, thnx (11:28 AM) dave_b_quick: hi lovely, you a trader? (11:28 AM) Buffy_04364: click on your desktop properties and under effects make sure the Show window content while dragging is unchecked (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: that is why my cpu was being decked (11:29 AM) lovelybabe_2: no dave (11:29 AM) Buffy_04364: Howard is great get win2K support also (11:29 AM) gravestonedoggie: follow your reasoning there (11:30 AM) John FF: 1st hr sup 11.50. if broken look for 1705 (11:30 AM) Daniel X: GSD were backside bouncing under a downtrend channel from last friday's close which was 1745@ 4 pm ..imo this is why we're stuck in this are (11:30 AM) Daniel X: area (11:31 AM) ppusa: how can i color my name in paltalk? (11:32 AM) Daniel X: lunch break back in an hour...so now the market will move for you.LOL (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: don't think so, ppusa (11:32 AM) cctraderx: it comes up colors automatically (11:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: thnx (11:32 AM) cctraderx: not on your screen though (11:32 AM) ppusa: well you are blue, GSD is green. I want to be somebody (11:32 AM) John FF: when you type it displays gray (11:33 AM) cctraderx: you are blue (11:33 AM) ppusa: maybe it's just grey because it's me. thanks (11:33 AM) John FF: very close to sell (11:33 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:33 AM) rs_5: ppusa, you are blue on my screen (11:34 AM) rs_5: and sometimes green (11:34 AM) ppusa: tks (11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: it alternates guys (11:35 AM) John FF: whoever is typing message shows up gray (11:35 AM) rs_5: welcome (11:35 AM) cctraderx: lol (11:35 AM) rs_5: yes agreed Buffy (11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: between blue and green (11:35 AM) ppusa: yes john that is my conclusion (11:35 AM) Buffy_04364: and your own posts show up gray but only to you (11:37 AM) John FF: critical sup here (11:38 AM) John FF: naz cash and sox breaking dn (11:39 AM) ppusa: Logically we should trade thru 1719.5....doesn't mean we won't pull back but keep that in mind. (11:41 AM) Daniel X: since when is logic a factor in the markets..LOL be back later (11:42 AM) ppusa: I was going to use the term experience but I knew you would LOL that (11:44 AM) John FF: sht 09 w/11.50 stop (11:45 AM) ppusa: check out a one hour chart (11:45 AM) ppusa: range 7.5 to 15 (11:46 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted 3M showing tick divergence (11:46 AM) ppusa: then ask yourself is the high in, the low, or neither? (11:47 AM) dave_b_quick: or both (11:47 AM) ppusa: good one (11:48 AM) Buffy_04364: has anyone else got the new version and going to post charts? Dave posted a picture of how it should be set up under Ensign SETUP-IMAGES (11:50 AM) ppusa: unfortunately i can't post because i use a different computer for internet access (11:52 AM) dave_b_quick: oh, maybe if you network them together? (11:53 AM) ppusa: probably save one to a disk and transferbut whatever (11:53 AM) dave_b_quick: too much work (11:53 AM) ppusa: yea (11:54 AM) ppusa: you all will just have to put up with my typing (11:54 AM) cctraderx: dave how hard to network (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: so you just run esignal and ensign on that computer ppusa (11:54 AM) ppusa: dtn and ensign (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: ok thanks (11:55 AM) larrybf: is the room empty? (11:55 AM) larrybf: hello? (11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: we are here (11:55 AM) ppusa: ? (11:55 AM) cctraderx: nope (11:55 AM) dave_b_quick: speak up, larry (11:55 AM) cctraderx: here Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: ppusa I was going through yesterday and noticed we have pretty much same hardware setup (11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: 2 computers one with 3 monitors and 2 on the other (11:56 AM) ppusa: yes (11:56 AM) ppusa: do you get a radiation buzz too? (11:57 AM) ppusa: my eyes are going (11:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:57 AM) ppusa: i see spots (11:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: mutant traders (11:57 AM) ppusa: xman (11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL sit back a ways everything like one big triangle with me sitting on the long leg (11:59 AM) ppusa: this paltalk is killing me (11:59 AM) Buffy_04364: why? (11:59 AM) ppusa: the charts i sit back. Pal talk i have to read all the time (11:59 AM) Buffy_04364: oh cause the fonts can't be bigger (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: maybe we should suggest it to paltalk (12:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah, my table is a piece of birch that i put a little draw in for keyboard and mouse.. it is 9 feet by four feet.. so monitor is a ways off (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: as an improvement (12:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: some advocate lcd for non radiation (12:00 PM) Buffy_04364: I was lucky, my son built this for me - it is perfect height and everything (12:00 PM) ppusa: I think it's more I am using my eyes all the time vs. charts are overeviews (12:00 PM) ppusa: send him over (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: do you do Mike's exercise? (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: Have a window to look out of? (12:01 PM) ppusa: unfamiliar (12:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: mine is on 2 adjsutable saw horses (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: I like GSD (12:01 PM) ppusa: yes (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: ingenuity (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: that helps (12:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice for flexibility... and economical too (12:01 PM) Buffy_04364: Mikes two ideas are rubbing hands together and cupping them over each eye - warmth helps (12:02 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm waiting for the LCD's to come down some more (12:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: also a beautiful piece of wood. so looks good (12:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, bit rich (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: then to relax eys just barely open and move eyes right to left slowly (12:02 PM) dave_b_quick: my desk was an oak door in a bank befoer (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what I used to have a door (12:02 PM) ppusa: desks thosse office things you can buy corners, etc. (12:02 PM) Buffy_04364: it worked but would get headaches (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: so he built this (12:03 PM) Buffy_04364: has room for cpu, ups and everything all in easy reach (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: this last low test of high between 2:40 and 2:55 yesterday (12:04 PM) ppusa: i;ll try Mike's (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: they help (12:05 PM) ppusa: I would like to see an hour with a lower low which would turn into a flag. (12:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: a comfortable chair is extremely important (12:05 PM) ppusa: basically more of a retest then up up and away (12:06 PM) ppusa: might be hod and lod and up tomorrow (12:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: cuz you can damage body in bad chair (12:06 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, my leg gets numb if i sit too long (12:06 PM) ppusa: i actually have what i believe is a good setup but the paltalk means i use my eyes more than i used to. (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is GSD and the first thing I got but desk was too high to have it as low as it should be so Don did it right - sat me in the chair adjusted it, figured out right place for keyboard and monitor screeen and he went from there (12:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: i bought new chair, but probably are better ones out there (12:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: bear flag on 3M and 5M? (12:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: need one that wont leave your extremities numb (12:07 PM) ppusa: and on that note, i am searching for food. (12:08 PM) ppusa: John and Dirk, you both still short (12:08 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, looking for one of those chairs where yr sorta kneeling more than sitting (12:08 PM) dave_b_quick: keeps the lower back straight (12:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: i have seen those (12:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: get someone to massage you in it while you trade (12:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: they don't work if you have any knee problems of any sort though (12:09 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, someone to fan me & feed me grapes too (12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (12:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: retro trader will be able to afford that kind of service (12:10 PM) dave_b_quick: Matrox has a TV output on some of their cards, so I could see my monitor on the big screen downstairs (12:10 PM) dave_b_quick: looking forward to that GSD (12:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: i remeber reading about richard dennis that he did not even go out to buy toilet paper - his assitants did it (12:12 PM) ppusa: what... you mean you buy yours? (12:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: lol (12:13 PM) dave_b_quick: hahaha, GSD lives in style from what i hear (12:14 PM) ppusa: we should email pictures (12:14 PM) dave_b_quick: my neighbor bot his house for what GSD pays in rent every month (12:15 PM) ppusa: what kind of neighborhood do you l.ive in (12:15 PM) John FF: 1701 50% of todays range (12:15 PM) dave_b_quick: inner city Buffalo west side, kinda rough (12:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe.. dave, probably true with the crazy taxes here (12:16 PM) ppusa: nice short (12:17 PM) ppusa: just went long (12:17 PM) ppusa: liked that spike (12:18 PM) larrybf: someone was talking about railrunners yesterday. when price moves away from the rail, what doe that indicate? (12:19 PM) dave_b_quick: i'd like to post profiles of some "regular traders" at dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com if anybody's willing (12:19 PM) Daniel X: short from 1701 (12:19 PM) dave_b_quick: what's a railrunner? (12:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: i think the idea is that it could be the beginning of loss of momentum (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds like a plan dave (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: make up a form with the info you might like to include (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: or a list (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: something to go by (12:20 PM) dave_b_quick: good idea, i'll do that (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: you get the idea I am sure (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (12:20 PM) larrybf: gsd- i think it is when price is moving along the outside bollinger band. not sure though (12:21 PM) John FF: out 99 +10 (12:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: rail running is whne prices hugs the bollinger bands and runs along it (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: great John (12:21 PM) ppusa: Good trade John (12:21 PM) Daniel X: out +1.5 (12:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: "pushing" the band (12:21 PM) Daniel X: :-( (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: still have stop in at 1.50 (12:21 PM) ppusa: dan was that from earlier today (12:21 PM) Buffy_04364: and just filled (12:22 PM) John FF: res at 05 (12:22 PM) larrybf: thanks (12:22 PM) Daniel X: no just a min ago i'm eating lol..i just paid for my lunch (12:22 PM) dave_b_quick: so you got short again by accident, buffy? (12:23 PM) ppusa: out of long (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL nope this one was planed (12:23 PM) ppusa: new longs, still holding one (12:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: i would be pretty careful about reading into the breakaway from bband (12:24 PM) gravestonedoggie: would study that alot first Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:27 PM) dave_b_quick: T used to have a nice interview with John Bollinger posted at the old site. Hope she puts all those articles back up at the new site. (12:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: since when price is running along the band, a decent trend is in force in that timeframe (12:27 PM) Buffy_04364: hitting time line on pyra (12:28 PM) ppusa: buffy were you long or short? (12:28 PM) dave_b_quick: what's yr setting again on the NQ3m PP, buffy? (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I was short (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: don't have it on 3M on 4M 11.25 (12:28 PM) rs_5: is pyracharts the grid I see posted on the charts? (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: will post it now (12:29 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, buffy's the resident pyrapoints expert (12:29 PM) ppusa: Was I the only person who chickened out of my shorts? (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I got out for +4 and looking for re entry (12:30 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm still short, but my stop is close (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I ordered the book and hope it gets here before the weekend (12:30 PM) ppusa: when did you two enter (12:31 PM) gravestonedoggie: it is hard holding any position when as slow as this (12:31 PM) dave_b_quick: retro rules got short on the 15m 2B top at 1712 (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: 5.50 (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: out 1.50 (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: it is trading a shelf as Mike puts it (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: posted the pyra (12:32 PM) dave_b_quick: oops, almost slipped off the shelf (12:32 PM) ppusa: started a new hour (12:34 PM) John FF: looks like we're going to test 90 (12:34 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra 92.5 (12:34 PM) Daniel X: underneath the pivot @ 1708 is just short every bounce (12:35 PM) Daniel X: srt from 97 (12:35 PM) Daniel X: 89 PP (12:36 PM) Daniel X: out +3 (12:36 PM) Daniel X: +4 (12:36 PM) Daniel X: in this enviroment i gotta take it a few points at a time (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: out +4.5 (12:37 PM) dave_b_quick: nice job, buffy (12:37 PM) Daniel X: good (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (12:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: sox is - 4.5 on day now (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: ticks didn't make newer low (12:37 PM) Buffy_04364: so nice to be able to watch trhem again (12:37 PM) rs_5: thanks buffy, how do you read the pyrachart please? (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: vertical cyan lines are time lines (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: might be change of trend there (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: horizontal are S and R (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: red diagonals are down channels (12:38 PM) Buffy_04364: green diagonals form up channels (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: where green and red cross is also s and r (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: looks like 92 is going to hold (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: for now anyway (12:39 PM) rs_5: thank you Buffy (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: it is all calculated from one significant H or L and is done off the square root of nine (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: quite fascinating (12:41 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, hate to imagine what that formula looks like (12:41 PM) rs_5: lol (12:41 PM) gravestonedoggie: gann square ting? (12:41 PM) gravestonedoggie: thing (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it is (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: me too dave (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: another shelf? (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: 3M (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: just noticed ticks going up we have a divergence now to watch (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone want a chart? (12:43 PM) dave_b_quick: ya (12:43 PM) rs_5: yes thanks (12:43 PM) Daniel X: feeling flueish ..need tea and aspirin..be back in 10 mins (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: drat forgot to change the title (12:44 PM) rs_5: sorry Daniel (12:44 PM) rs_5: me too (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: ok done now lets see how it plays out (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: also note a higher low was put in (12:47 PM) dave_b_quick: wow, NQ5m bar was only 1.5 points high (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 5M in fact on 3rd one (12:48 PM) rs_5: Buffy, is that NY tick? (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: good question totally forgot about that just put it on today and I bet it is (12:48 PM) Buffy_04364: anyone know symbol for naz tick? (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of dojis being made down here (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: market is fighting (12:49 PM) dave_b_quick: on eSignal it's $TICKQ (12:49 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (12:50 PM) dave_b_quick: i know the symbol, i just dono what to do with it (12:50 PM) rs_5: lol know what you mean (12:50 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: I just changed it and we will see now that looking at right thing (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle (12:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: this decline a bit wedgie maybe (12:51 PM) ppusa: went long again (12:51 PM) ppusa: ]not looking for much (12:54 PM) ppusa: trend stil neg (12:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: then you've come to the right place... (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: going to go see howard and see why not filling in (12:54 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL GSD (12:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:55 PM) dave_b_quick: you a trip, GSD Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (12:57 PM) gravestonedoggie: sometimes get the feeling this month that the market is handing us pink slips (12:58 PM) jimbo_320: holy cow, some turnaround, what happened to the buyers? (12:58 PM) dave_b_quick: hahaha, even retro had a couple bad days (12:59 PM) rs_5: maybe teachtrade had point when they say to stay out of summer doldrums (12:59 PM) jimbo_320: its not just me then who'se had a sh.. week (01:00 PM) rs_5: by the way, teachtrade having another webcast today at 4pm (01:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: haven't had a bad week.. jsut that trades feel pretty forced (01:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: and not much to sustain a lot of traders, were this the norm (01:02 PM) jimbo_320: how many you average a day? (01:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: this wekk, 3 to 5, i guess (01:03 PM) jimbo_320: same here but i get two or three losers and i often give up for the day (01:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: but that is overtrading, imo (01:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: in this environment (01:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: of course, depends on style.. some will find plenty of rades, and that is fine (01:05 PM) jimbo_320: problem is when there is no net money moving into or out of the market, i find i cant predict, its akin to gambling and i lose (01:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: but this kind of rangewill leave plenty looking elsewhere (01:05 PM) dave_b_quick: i think CJ is not even doing 100 trades a day (01:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (01:05 PM) Daniel X: back .wow lookat that (01:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: meanwhile, i just missed an opportunity... hehe (01:06 PM) jimbo_320: like today, who would of thought a up, turns into solid selling later on, just no direction, aimlessly drifing (01:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: sox down 8 (01:07 PM) dave_b_quick: i think Newton has a law about that (01:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: sox took out yest low (01:07 PM) Daniel X: giggle Dave (01:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (01:07 PM) Orprepus: hey hey been playing around with new release - posted my short entry chart and still holding (01:07 PM) Daniel X: super (01:08 PM) Orprepus: need easier way of writing notes (01:08 PM) dave_b_quick: Looks like only part of it posted, orp (01:08 PM) ppusa: orp i can't see the chart. it's cut off (01:09 PM) ppusa: anyone else have same? (01:09 PM) Orprepus: shoot (01:09 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, some of the other charts are cut off too. Maybe Howard needs to do a little more work on it (01:09 PM) jimbo_320: any followthrough, not in this market, back to 1205 ? (01:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: yeah (01:11 PM) jimbo_320: i think i might head over to www.casino-online.com, i probably get the same chances (01:12 PM) Daniel X: so we're under pivot 1rst support @1789 SO CAN IT BECOME RES NOW? (01:12 PM) ppusa: what was pivot? (01:13 PM) Daniel X: guess we weren't too far off calling HOD@ 1715 (01:13 PM) Daniel X: 1708 (01:13 PM) Orprepus: sent howard a note about cut off problem (01:13 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm in his room talking to him about it (01:13 PM) Orprepus: anyone have a succesful post to dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart using new feature? (01:14 PM) ppusa: Not we, you, i blew HOD today. (01:14 PM) Daniel X: Dirk u still holding that 15 short? (01:14 PM) Daniel X: ok ppusa (01:15 PM) ppusa: that 19.5 today shook me (01:15 PM) ppusa: what is dirk doing? (01:15 PM) ppusa: wake up dirk (01:15 PM) Daniel X: he shorted this am @15 (01:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: you guys were just one small push early on hod (01:15 PM) Daniel X: DIRK!!!!!! (01:15 PM) dave_b_quick: opr, howard fixed that problem in a new version he hasn't uploaded yet. The workaround is to upload using FILE/IMAGEtoFILE instead of the chart menu or hotkey (01:15 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:15 PM) ppusa: and went to sleep (01:15 PM) Daniel X: GSD 5 point stop held though (01:16 PM) ppusa: gete him on the mic (01:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice (01:16 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:16 PM) Daniel X: ok 13:15 time to trade since we're out of DMZ (01:17 PM) ppusa: i get sell signals across the board on P and F if we break low (01:17 PM) Daniel X: ditto (01:17 PM) Daniel X: here it comes watch for 2 b (01:18 PM) Daniel X: srt from 85.50 (01:19 PM) Daniel X: 82 come on (01:19 PM) Orprepus: limb limbo limbo how low can we go (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: back and howard fixed it (01:20 PM) Daniel X: E Mini come on down you're the next contestant on the price is right (01:20 PM) Orprepus: not yet - stil not correct (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: you must have created a chart and saved it of whatever you wish to overlay before it will work (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL Daniel (01:20 PM) Daniel X: out +3.5 (01:20 PM) Orprepus: LOL (01:21 PM) Daniel X: looking for bounce (01:21 PM) dave_b_quick: nice chart #2, orp (01:22 PM) jimbo_320: es +2.5, 1st winner of day, horaah.... (01:22 PM) Daniel X: oh well wlcm to www.chicken traders.com (01:22 PM) dave_b_quick: good, jimbo (01:22 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:22 PM) Orprepus: chart problem deals with maximizing screen - Howard will post new release later today (01:22 PM) Daniel X: good Jimbo (01:23 PM) dave_b_quick: daniel, i wonder if anybody has registered that domain name yet... (01:23 PM) Daniel X: me too! (01:23 PM) jimbo_320: only another 1.5 to be (01:23 PM) jimbo_320: and in the lunch hour, a first (01:24 PM) Orprepus: Dave - thx - cut off lower studies and my notes about what I saw to trigger entry (01:24 PM) dave_b_quick: this test of LOD could work like a 2B (01:24 PM) rs_5: think I read that in magazine once (01:24 PM) rs_5: chickentrader.com (01:24 PM) Daniel X: that is y i cut (01:25 PM) rs_5: trading real chickens that is (01:25 PM) Daniel X: oh ok Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:26 PM) dave_b_quick: chickentrader is a frozen chicken website (01:26 PM) Daniel X: really (01:26 PM) Daniel X: huh (01:26 PM) Orprepus: That is so cool to get a hold of howard via Pal Talk and go over the issue real time while it is fresh and not having to write email and trying to describe the issue (01:27 PM) ppusa: Orp. what is the time frame on your post? (01:27 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, most of the stuff he already knows what to do (01:27 PM) Orprepus: 2m (01:27 PM) jimbo_320: maybe i should send a e-card to nicole kidman asking for a date? (01:27 PM) ppusa: tks (01:29 PM) dave_b_quick: who's N.Kidman? (01:30 PM) jimbo_320: Some actor, hear she's worth about 100 million :-) and on the market (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: nice chart opus it is all there notes and all (01:31 PM) GGriz: chickentrader huh; I see people are talking about me behind my back again lol or whatever (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (01:32 PM) dave_b_quick: Teresa often refers to herself as the "chickentrader" (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: time line on pyra (01:32 PM) dave_b_quick: so time for sumthin to happen, right? (01:32 PM) Orprepus: thx buffy - howard got it fixed for me (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: MIGHT happen dave (01:32 PM) ppusa: I;ll give you an lol. I am still long (01:33 PM) ppusa: I'll (01:33 PM) Daniel X: macd looking bullish like (01:33 PM) ppusa: anybody want one. I will discount it (01:33 PM) Daniel X: u serious (01:33 PM) ppusa: y (01:33 PM) Daniel X: from? (01:33 PM) dave_b_quick: gotta get all the way up to 1688.5 to give a NQ 5m, 9m, or 15m 2B signal (01:34 PM) GGriz: Daniel, what's the macd setup? (01:34 PM) ppusa: don't ask (01:34 PM) Daniel X: 12/26/9 (01:34 PM) ppusa: pervert (01:34 PM) GGriz: tx (01:34 PM) dave_b_quick: oh, i see that daniel, 4 pt divergence on NQ 5m MACD (01:34 PM) Daniel X: for chop and 7/21/5 for trend days (01:35 PM) Orprepus: ADX still rising - be careful with Oscillator for entry (01:35 PM) Daniel X: ppusa lol (01:35 PM) ppusa: 9 down bars on 15 min chart (01:36 PM) ppusa: Yea, wish i was (01:36 PM) ppusa: maybe I will later (01:36 PM) Daniel X: watch for sellers here at the 40/200 EMAs (01:37 PM) Daniel X: also 89 res now (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: yep could be a bear flag (01:39 PM) Dirk-X: Closed short a while ago at 1695.5, FWIW...thinking might swing to the long side here if higher low forms...still haven't broken overnight low (1676) (01:40 PM) Jr_Steggy: proptrader DEMO tonight 7:30 (room proptrader) to down load proptrader go to www.proedgeonline.com broker Jr Stegmueller hope to see you all there thanks (01:40 PM) Daniel X: DIRK you're awake...thnx (01:40 PM) ppusa: from a coma (01:41 PM) GGriz: heck, u want to go long, I'll just sell it here. works every time (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:41 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL :>( (01:42 PM) GGriz: I'm not kidding Buffy (01:42 PM) ppusa: ggriz, wait and sell it higher so we get a bigger rally (01:42 PM) dave_b_quick: try switching the labels on the buy/sell buttons, griz? (01:42 PM) Daniel X: GRIZ aren't you a bear? (01:43 PM) GGriz: Yeah I tried that! I can't even fade myself (01:43 PM) Daniel X: as in grizzly (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: higher low (01:43 PM) GGriz: it's an old radio handle from the salmon grounds Daniel (01:44 PM) ppusa: 15 minute chart says up (01:44 PM) Daniel X: macd still bullish confirmed by higher low (01:44 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: now we need a higher high (01:45 PM) dave_b_quick: i posted a pic of the NQ5m divergence in the spread line (01:45 PM) ppusa: clearify - higher high, not necessarily a rally (01:45 PM) Daniel X: DAVE will look thnx (01:45 PM) Buffy_04364: a higher high than the last swing high (01:45 PM) jimbo_320: nq forming head and shoulders (01:46 PM) Dirk-X: 3min price action says lower...tricky zone..fake outs ahead (01:46 PM) dave_b_quick: well, dono which way to go, so have sell & buy stops on either side of 15m inside bar (01:47 PM) Dirk-X: great plan dave (01:47 PM) Daniel X: ditto (01:47 PM) GGriz: Dave : stops or stop-limits? (01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: STP/LMT actually (01:48 PM) Dirk-X: Short 84.5 (01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: could always get faked out both ways... (01:48 PM) timing 2: dave where do u put them (01:48 PM) Dirk-X: SL=87.5 (01:48 PM) Orprepus: going to brunch - chat in a little while - good trading and good living (01:48 PM) Daniel X: 82.50 short 87.50 long (01:48 PM) dave_b_quick: on 15m i've been using 1 tic outside (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: might even be another inside bar forming (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: on 15M (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: in #3 on 5M (01:49 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, could just go straight sideways i suppose (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: well maybe for a bit but we all know there is a limit on that action (01:50 PM) dave_b_quick: quite a collection of 5m inside bars (01:50 PM) jimbo_320: as they say, trade the trend, except in the lunch hour, switch you buy sell buttons over (01:50 PM) Buffy_04364: yep big fight going on (01:51 PM) Daniel X: so we have the pre train selloff (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: 2B setting up? (01:52 PM) Daniel X: oh btw filled 82.50 (01:53 PM) Daniel X: thnx caution (01:53 PM) dave_b_quick: Orp, Howard fixed the next version so the header won't get cut off on full-screen image uploads (01:53 PM) Daniel X: locking in @ 80.50 (01:54 PM) dave_b_quick: me 2 79.50 (01:54 PM) Dirk-X: 76 is the biggie here (01:54 PM) Dirk-X: if it becomes R we re-enter a whole different trading range (01:54 PM) dave_b_quick: WHEEEEEEEEE (01:55 PM) wlevicki: nice air pocket (01:55 PM) Daniel X: stop @ at no out 67 fill (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: wow that was something (01:55 PM) Dirk-X: love that when it goes my direction (01:55 PM) Daniel X: me too (01:55 PM) dave_b_quick: where was my 25 point profit limit order? Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:56 PM) Daniel X: what's the news (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: no idea (01:56 PM) jimbo_320: anyone have a limit buy at 1651 ? (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: beige book? (01:56 PM) Dirk-X: that's why I always keep a stop 20 points out in from of b/e...out +19 (01:56 PM) John FF: well I guess that fills that gap (01:57 PM) dave_b_quick: no mo stops under there i guess (01:57 PM) Buffy_04364: I would think not LOL (01:57 PM) GGriz: so, um, can I sell NOW? SHEEEEESH (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: I wasn't fast enough either ggriz (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: still short with lock in of +10 (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: and just got filled (01:58 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm never fast enuf, but thanks to Teresa for teaching me to enter with STP orders (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: we can't win them all 8-( (01:59 PM) GGriz: couple days ago this manouver turned into straight sideways (01:59 PM) Daniel X: probably scared everyone out (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: that has been a big help for me also dave (01:59 PM) Buffy_04364: must of been the beige book - let me go turn on cnn for a bit and se (01:59 PM) Dirk-X: Buffy's drawing frowny faces after a +10 trade ??!! (02:00 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:00 PM) Dirk-X: short (02:00 PM) rs_5: bbl....good trading all (02:01 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, rs (02:01 PM) Daniel X: what???? (02:01 PM) Dirk-X: out +6 (02:01 PM) Dirk-X: :-) (02:01 PM) Daniel X: 1671 was 2 pivot support (02:01 PM) Daniel X: 2nd (02:02 PM) jimbo_320: es off again (02:02 PM) Daniel X: careful shorting here (02:03 PM) Daniel X: the train is coming (02:03 PM) GGriz: TRAIN? (02:03 PM) Daniel X: if it doesn't come today i bet the selling will cease (02:04 PM) Daniel X: instead (02:04 PM) Daniel X: 2:20/2:40 pop (02:04 PM) Daniel X: this reminds me of April's market (02:05 PM) jimbo_320: out es +6.5, gets be back 4 up from 4 down, :-) yikes (02:06 PM) Buffy_04364: nice jimbo (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: I hate what death spikes do to indicators (02:07 PM) jimbo_320: now, i can switch my buy and sell buttons back over :-) (02:07 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle (02:08 PM) Daniel X: looks like the low here for the 2:20 (02:09 PM) Daniel X: will wait a little longer (02:09 PM) jimbo_320: es bottom of downtrend is 1190 (02:09 PM) Daniel X: macd attemting to go + (02:09 PM) jimbo_320: back to 1200 for the big puke later? (02:10 PM) jimbo_320: if we're lucky (02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: long 64.50 (02:11 PM) GGriz: can u 'splain the train? at this rate 10 minutes could see 1105 sp (02:11 PM) jimbo_320: 1500 min contracts traded on es (02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: stop tight (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: 3.50 (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: out (02:12 PM) cctraderx: study done for about month or so that indicated that there usually was buying at 2 (02:12 PM) cctraderx: ;20 to 240 (02:13 PM) cctraderx: avg gain 5 nq pts (02:13 PM) cctraderx: study was 20 of 23 days it hit (02:13 PM) cctraderx: down 3 days was 8 pts (02:13 PM) cctraderx: it's usually continued that trend (02:14 PM) cctraderx: that is the quick explanation (02:15 PM) GGriz: tnx (02:15 PM) cctraderx: wlcm (02:17 PM) bigrexxx: since all index futs are coming out of super low volatility situation lot more risk today taking a long here (02:18 PM) Daniel X: 3 min to go (02:18 PM) GGriz: s2 on sp daily (02:19 PM) Daniel X: haven't seen this kind of selling in awhile (02:19 PM) dave_b_quick: new low in TICK (02:20 PM) jimbo_320: out es +2.75 (02:20 PM) GGriz: compx S3 (02:24 PM) ppusa: da train, da train (02:25 PM) cctraderx: it's trying (02:25 PM) GGriz: so do ya reverse if you bot it? (02:25 PM) Daniel X: come on move already Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:27 PM) bigrexxx: what was market trend for 23 days of study we had lows 7/24 (02:27 PM) bigrexxx: one had to perfectly buy low and sell high to get the 5 pts- sounds risky (02:27 PM) cctraderx: no - avg 5 pts (02:28 PM) cctraderx: don't know about 7/24. did have rate cut day in late june which was a down day (02:28 PM) Daniel X: no 5 points was based simply on long@ 2:20 and out @ 2:40 (02:29 PM) cctraderx: this may be a down period due to the strong trend - we'll see (02:29 PM) GGriz: regardless of direction or trend? (02:29 PM) bigrexxx: ave 5 pts on up days only not total study- 7/24 was last nq swing low so your trend in study was up anyway (02:29 PM) ppusa: i'm still looking for an up bar on the 15 min. train may work today (02:30 PM) Dirk-X: If you are referring to my study....buy long at 2:21...sell at 2:40....22 days...19 wins...avg win=5.5.....3 losses...avg loss = 8.5...overall +79. (02:30 PM) bigrexxx: one could get same results in trend around any top or bottom of hour all day picking perfect hi or low (02:31 PM) Daniel X: 10 mins can u hold ur stomach from puking is the question (02:33 PM) Dirk-X: study was from 6/22 thru 7/24 (02:33 PM) Daniel X: 8 mins (02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: post 5M (02:33 PM) bigrexxx: oh they didn't say buy 2:21 sell 2:40 so 3+ pts ave (02:33 PM) Buffy_04364: poke bar (02:34 PM) Daniel X: to avoid a loss i found tht addind a contract if it dips more than 5 below your entry (02:35 PM) Daniel X: 6 mins to go (02:35 PM) Daniel X: looks like it might be a little late? (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: going to have to go back above that TL (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: for me (02:36 PM) Dirk-X: I'm short BTW (02:36 PM) dave_b_quick: dan, the bounce might have got run over in a rush for the door (02:36 PM) Ensign Software: Hi, Just upgraded the Overlay in the sub-window so you can set which scale lines you want displayed. This is the same ability you now have on other studies like stochastic. Your existing overlays may disappear because you need to reselect the Hidden scale style on the overlay properties form. Then it will work as you want. (02:36 PM) Daniel X: maybe (02:37 PM) jimbo_320: out es +3.25, :-) (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: that sounds like a good thing Howard - thanks (02:37 PM) dave_b_quick: poor guy in the other room is still long since before the death spike and won't let go (02:38 PM) Dirk-X: out +6 :-) (02:38 PM) Daniel X: who's that (02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: that makes me so sad to hear stuff like that (02:38 PM) Daniel X: horible selling (02:39 PM) Daniel X: 2 mins we'll see what happens (02:39 PM) Ensign Software: See you all in 2 hours in the Training Class in the Ensign Windows chat room. Non EW users are welcome too, however, training is on using EW features. (02:39 PM) Buffy_04364: hope only one contract (02:40 PM) Buffy_04364: I will be there Howard (02:40 PM) ab_18: tks needed reminding (02:40 PM) Buffy_04364: oh I would of done that ab! (02:40 PM) jimbo_320: last time nq tradeed at 1640 was 26/7 , 1720 to 1640 in one hour, :-( (02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: major selling beige book just said economy flat basically (02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: no surprsies that I heard anyway (02:41 PM) cctraderx: which we all knew (02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: right (02:41 PM) jimbo_320: 1190 is bottom os es downtrend, we crack that, where is the bottom (02:41 PM) cctraderx: 1180 (02:42 PM) ab_18: if 1185 lookout (02:42 PM) cctraderx: don't ask after, haven't looked......... (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't someone say 1640 yesterday (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: 1646 was it (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: close enogh (02:48 PM) ab_18: Say the train worked. Only a switch train this time (02:48 PM) Daniel X: lol yes (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: if everything worked all the time this game wouldn't be hard at all LOL (02:49 PM) Orprepus: yeeeee haaa - back still short (02:50 PM) ppusa: Once again, OP da man (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: retro trader having one heck of day Dave! (02:50 PM) dave_b_quick: Ya, a retro kinda day (02:51 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm scared to add it up (02:51 PM) dave_b_quick: limit down 1615.50 (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: short since 11:30 area (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: wow (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: me too (02:52 PM) jimbo_320: 1190 test (02:52 PM) Buffy_04364: could take rest of week off (02:52 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:52 PM) dave_b_quick: can't wait 'til i can do this with 5 contracts (02:53 PM) Buffy_04364: what do you have as a goal before you do Dave? (02:53 PM) dave_b_quick: just build up my confidence, mainly (02:54 PM) jimbo_320: out es +1, (02:54 PM) Buffy_04364: I would need to add a contract at a time to keep the emotional thing out of it (02:54 PM) cctraderx: dave, could you post the rules on the site for retro trader? (02:54 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, lotta people say that bigger positions are another psychological challenge (02:55 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, will do (02:55 PM) cctraderx: t y (02:55 PM) jimbo_320: softee 65.00 (02:56 PM) dave_b_quick: Today will look impressive on the daily chart Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (02:56 PM) cctraderx: break 65 - goner -softee (03:00 PM) jimbo_320: some big es buyers in 1191 area (03:03 PM) wlevicki: is there way to talk to Howard on palltalk without closing this window (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: send a text chat but not talk (03:03 PM) wlevicki: thxs (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: is he in your pal list? (03:03 PM) wlevicki: yes (03:03 PM) Buffy_04364: just right click (03:04 PM) Buffy_04364: I hate leaving this room too as the pop up ads come back (03:05 PM) dave_b_quick: even after you upgraded, buffy? (03:05 PM) jimbo_320: sox down 27 to 586 (03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: it is the only time I see them now (03:05 PM) Buffy_04364: when I leave to go to another room (03:06 PM) Daniel X: we're deeply over sold wonder how much downside left? (03:06 PM) dave_b_quick: did you complain to paltalk? (03:06 PM) Daniel X: watch for 2 b (03:06 PM) Buffy_04364: not yet (03:06 PM) Daniel X: ouch nasty (03:06 PM) dave_b_quick: dono, but i'm gunning for another piece on the shortside (03:06 PM) cctraderx: 2b on es? (03:07 PM) Daniel X: nq (03:07 PM) Buffy_04364: got 3.5 on the short side (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: es could be 2b tick 814 (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: but i aint buying just yet LOL (03:08 PM) Daniel X: lol (03:08 PM) dave_b_quick: nut much downside oomph (03:08 PM) Buffy_04364: well maybe not but not going up like it should either (03:08 PM) jimbo_320: stocks look terrible, across the board (03:09 PM) jimbo_320: we dont have 200 on the dow yet, so not enough fear yet LOL (03:09 PM) Buffy_04364: I bet they do (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: nq is trying to get a foothold (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: just bounced off pyra support line (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: 1628.25 (03:10 PM) Daniel X: crucifiying this (03:10 PM) Daniel X: bad spelling (03:12 PM) Buffy_04364: have mike macd divergence on 75T (03:12 PM) Daniel X: never expected this kind of selling (03:13 PM) jimbo_320: what did that beige book say? (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: nothng surprising is what cnn said (03:13 PM) ppusa: it said economy slowing across the board (03:13 PM) ab_18: didn't Buffy say yesterday maybe next two days big moves (03:13 PM) cctraderx: must have said it's BAD (03:14 PM) Buffy_04364: yes but the productivety figure wasn't adjuted like they thought it would be (03:14 PM) Daniel X: i guess if everybody expects a bounce it won't happen!lol (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: lol maybe not Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (03:16 PM) jimbo_320: its up for me as i have me buttons reversed remember (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: it laughed at the macd divergences (03:16 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:17 PM) dave_b_quick: i think the afternoon bounce was that one inside bar on the 15m (03:17 PM) jimbo_320: csco under 18 (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: now 4 on the 60T (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: 3 on the 3M (03:17 PM) Daniel X: if shorts cover like they did the past week...watch out (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: bought ready to go with Dave and ump them all LOL (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I remember that daniel thanks for reminder (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: tick did put in a higher low (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: but......... (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: this market seems to have a mind of its own (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: right now (03:19 PM) Daniel X: macd trying to go + (03:19 PM) jimbo_320: shorts might feel they dont need to cover today lol (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: that is true Jimbo LOL (03:19 PM) Daniel X: ok shorts time to cover already (03:19 PM) Buffy_04364: good one (03:19 PM) Dirk-X: long...risk/reward just too good to not take a shot (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: volume really picked up this last leg down (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: short (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:20 PM) ppusa: not far from limit down (03:20 PM) Buffy_04364: drat forgot about that (03:20 PM) dave_b_quick: does limit down kick in after 3:00? (03:20 PM) Daniel X: 1625 lock limit? (03:21 PM) dave_b_quick: 1615.50 (03:21 PM) ppusa: no limit after 3:30 i think (03:21 PM) qatwo: 3:30 (03:21 PM) ppusa: I'll call and find out (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: that is good to know (03:21 PM) dave_b_quick: dono how i'd sleep with my shorts on (03:21 PM) Buffy_04364: me either (03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: but have now reversed position (03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: so long (03:22 PM) dave_b_quick: sleeping with long johns would be no fun in this weather either (03:22 PM) cctraderx: hehe (03:22 PM) ppusa: no limit after 3:30 (03:23 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks (03:23 PM) jimbo_320: short, risk reward to great to miss out giggle (03:23 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (03:24 PM) Daniel X: what # would case shorts to cover? (03:25 PM) ppusa: a new hod (03:25 PM) Daniel X: lol (03:25 PM) Daniel X: i mean us little guys (03:25 PM) Dirk-X: out +5 (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: take out last swing high on what tf they were trading (03:26 PM) Daniel X: macd looking bullish Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:26 PM) Buffy_04364: got a piece too (03:27 PM) Daniel X: are they waitng for 330 to continue selling with no locklimit? (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: nice to have some volume for a change (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: what a thought daniel (03:28 PM) dave_b_quick: borselino is reporting solid 2 sided trading as some buying comes in at these levels (03:28 PM) Buffy_04364: David just said the beige book says no turnaround in the economy in sight (03:28 PM) Daniel X: BUffy ...Diabolical..lol (03:29 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (03:29 PM) Buffy_04364: yep (03:29 PM) Buffy_04364: good job!!!!!! (03:30 PM) dave_b_quick: new low in dow (03:31 PM) jimbo_320: come on clunk (03:31 PM) Daniel X: 330 lets see what thay want to do here (03:32 PM) ppusa: daily pattern looks like we will close on low,open unchanged and go south just like the rally on 7/12 (03:32 PM) Daniel X: there's that experiece i was looking for (03:33 PM) Buffy_04364: both paying sessions (03:33 PM) jimbo_320: tick is 642 no move on es yet (03:35 PM) Daniel X: hey maybe the 2:30 train is an hour late.LOL (03:36 PM) cctraderx: it was on time, just moving in reverse fast and furious (03:37 PM) Daniel X: true lol (03:38 PM) Daniel X: chop till the close or to the cover (03:38 PM) Buffy_04364: yep chop chop (03:38 PM) dave_b_quick: Bounced 25 points at 1:57, maybe that was the bullet train (03:38 PM) Daniel X: could have been (03:39 PM) Daniel X: i haven't seen 100 points down in a long long time (03:39 PM) Daniel X: here it comes (03:39 PM) Daniel X: 18 (03:40 PM) ispec_Pete77: ADX 63 on the ES 5 min (03:41 PM) Daniel X: anyone still holding short? (03:41 PM) Orprepus: yes (03:41 PM) jimbo_320: out es+4.25 (03:41 PM) Daniel X: good!!!!!!! (03:41 PM) dave_b_quick: waytago, orp! (03:41 PM) Buffy_04364: great job in this market (03:42 PM) jimbo_320: +4 is alway good for me (03:42 PM) dave_b_quick: hasn't been an upbar on the 15m since 11:30 (03:42 PM) Buffy_04364: nope not a one (03:42 PM) Daniel X: lets see if they sell at the 40 EMA again (03:43 PM) jimbo_320: gonna cut and run guys (03:43 PM) Orprepus: trade with trend (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: ok see you tomorrow (03:43 PM) Daniel X: bye (03:43 PM) jimbo_320: -4 to +18 not bad at all (03:43 PM) Buffy_04364: nope it sure isn't (03:45 PM) Daniel X: good (03:46 PM) Buffy_04364: almost out for retro? (03:46 PM) Daniel X: lets see 35 break (03:47 PM) GGriz: good night you experts (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: first time no lower low - discounting that spike of course (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: night ggriz (03:48 PM) Daniel X: is that all come on (03:48 PM) Buffy_04364: see you tomorrow (03:48 PM) Daniel X: bye griz (03:48 PM) GGriz: nite (03:49 PM) dave_b_quick: NQ 1-2-3 reversal complete at 1636.50 will take retro out (03:49 PM) Buffy_04364: Don't forget ensign class on quote sheet tonight at 3:30CT (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: Most probably new upgrade will be announced also (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: Howard likes to show off new tricks :-) (03:50 PM) Orprepus: thx buffy - almost forgot (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: tks dave that is what I figures (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of pts there (03:50 PM) leont_2: any big news expected tomorrow reports etc? (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: now if we all traded like retro............... (03:50 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't know (03:50 PM) ab_18: OP what would you use for a stop (03:51 PM) Buffy_04364: stop for what ab? (03:51 PM) ab_18: stop on short position (03:51 PM) leont_2: try this on paper buff go long es into the close (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: that is what dave was talking about the short position from just before noon for retro trader (03:52 PM) leont_2: notice there is a divergence (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: yes but my luck with divergences hasn't been too good lately :-( (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: will do though leont (03:52 PM) Buffy_04364: on paper (03:52 PM) leont_2: es is closing higher than nq (03:52 PM) leont_2: sector rotation (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: oh I see where you are coming from (03:53 PM) Buffy_04364: interesting (03:53 PM) Orprepus: trailing stop one tick above in last hr. high - so 163850 (03:53 PM) leont_2: trade will be negated if sp goes to the lows again (03:53 PM) dave_b_quick: NQ5m had 4 point MACD divergence at 1:30 just like the onw now, so nothing is 100% (03:54 PM) Buffy_04364: that is true Dave nothing is!!!!!!!!! (03:54 PM) leont_2: right just observe it dave (03:54 PM) ab_18: tks was looking at only 5 and 30 (03:54 PM) Daniel X: no short cover today i guess (03:55 PM) cctraderx: so the trade is what leon? (03:55 PM) Daniel X: 20mins to go (03:55 PM) ppusa: Orp isn't last hour high1635.5? (03:55 PM) leont_2: if it holds up the trade is valid if not it's negated it looks like it's holding if it does there may be a move into the morning (03:56 PM) Buffy_04364: I have 1636.00 (03:56 PM) Orprepus: last 60M (03:56 PM) Orprepus: rolling Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (03:56 PM) cctraderx: I see Leon, now I C (03:56 PM) leont_2: long es overnite into the close (03:57 PM) leont_2: just experimenting (03:57 PM) cctraderx: will watch (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: we will remember that leont -- paper is good way to experiment (03:57 PM) leont_2: its not acting good (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: told you this market has had a mind of its own today (03:58 PM) leont_2: i would do it on a stronger close (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: every reversal signal has been totally ignored (03:58 PM) Daniel X: true (03:58 PM) leont_2: 'early yet if it works i'll tell you who taught me this tomorrow (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I am typing for the class tonight so need to get something to eat and walk around (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: see you all in class (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: and will be here tomorrow (03:59 PM) Orprepus: see ya (03:59 PM) Daniel X: bye Buffy (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: as I hope you all will be too :-) (03:59 PM) leont_2: bye (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: it has been fun today (03:59 PM) cctraderx: bye (03:59 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, nice to get outa the range trading (04:00 PM) Daniel X: ditto (04:01 PM) dave_b_quick: retro wasn't stopped out, so out at 4:00 (04:01 PM) Daniel X: lets see if they cover now that the majority is out (04:03 PM) Daniel X: have a great evening everyone (04:03 PM) ppusa: bye dan (04:06 PM) Orprepus: out 73pts/contract (04:07 PM) Orprepus: great day Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (04:48 PM) dave_b_quick: Good night all