Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (08:54 AM) johnl_6: gm all (08:56 AM) Buffy_04364: hi all Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (08:57 AM) johnl_6: hi buffy, looked at that stuff you emailed me. I really appreciate it.] (09:05 AM) dave_b_quick: mornin all (09:05 AM) Daniel X: 'morning (09:05 AM) sisepuede: morning dave (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: great john (09:05 AM) Buffy_04364: cj - did you get yours yet? (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: oh sorry cj not here (09:06 AM) ispecjh_1: good am (09:06 AM) Buffy_04364: hi JH (09:06 AM) dave_b_quick: sisepuede, are you trading today? (09:06 AM) sisepuede: no (09:06 AM) dave_b_quick: :>( (09:07 AM) sisepuede: I will be in and out today (09:08 AM) dave_b_quick: OK Thursday was the big day last week, tomorrow is another summer friday, so high hopes for today. (09:08 AM) Buffy_04364: going to be in the 90's here today - not nice (09:09 AM) dave_b_quick: i broke down and got an AC even here in Buffalo (09:09 AM) Buffy_04364: premarket just did a 2B (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: yeah you have to with this summer good for you (09:10 AM) johnl_6: gee, dave, I didn't know the snow had melted in buffalo yet (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: can't think when you are uncomfortable (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (09:10 AM) cheetah55: It snows in buffalo? LOL (09:10 AM) Buffy_04364: well, going to skip down to the store back in a bit (09:10 AM) dave_b_quick: hahaha, gets over 80 here and people think it's the end of the world (09:11 AM) dave_b_quick: my wife is from a town in SA where cold is below 85, and she got used to it here (09:15 AM) Dirk-X: Morning. (09:15 AM) dave_b_quick: gm (09:15 AM) johnl_6: hi dirk (09:16 AM) sk_66: Good moening Marsh (09:16 AM) sk_66: morning (09:18 AM) Marsh35: good morning (09:19 AM) Marsh35: anyone going to play this gap (09:20 AM) johnl_6: yeah, marsh, think I'm going to try to steal a few pts early. (09:21 AM) Marsh35: I will play it if the dow and the nas. are in sync with it (09:22 AM) johnl_6: I normally don't play these, but this one looks to good to pass up. (09:22 AM) Marsh35: john...do you have a method to play the gap (09:24 AM) johnl_6: only if prices are hanging around some key fib level. Normally, I just watch the first half hour or so. (09:26 AM) Marsh35: I take a look at the second bar (10) and or the dow and if they are moving to fill the gap i'll take the trade Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: well, the test of high premarket failed (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: Glad Howard fixed that with the update last night (09:28 AM) Marsh35: only works when the dow is screaming in the same direction...50% of the time (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: hope it fixed my bar too - we will see (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: we still have factory orders report at ten too (09:31 AM) Daniel X: 1767 Pivot res 1 (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: decided not to take Mikes class with the win2K crashes back - it was so frustrating the tme I did (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe next week (09:31 AM) Buffy_04364: 1766 now (09:33 AM) johnl_6: short es from 1231 (09:39 AM) Buffy_04364: good (09:40 AM) larrybf: hear you (09:40 AM) drh_4: ty (09:41 AM) larrybf: is mike bruns course good to take if you don't have ensign or tradestation or metastock? (09:44 AM) Dirk-X: should be HUGE resistance in 76 area (09:45 AM) Dirk-X: bottom of that 2 month range we used to be in (09:45 AM) dave_b_quick: Mike uses MACD 3,11,17 a lot and REI, so without those you wouldn't be able to see most of his signals, altho you can sub a fast stochastic for the REI (09:47 AM) johnl_6: did anyone else just lose the esignal data feed? (09:48 AM) boomer_95: dirk..how did u figure resis at 76? (09:48 AM) boomer_95: no mic here..sorry (09:50 AM) Dirk-X: boomer....used to be HUGE support, for months til we fell through it...support becomes resistance (09:50 AM) boomer_95: thx (09:52 AM) Dirk-X: Though wide zone...might not impact til 1790 area Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:57 AM) Daniel X: Triple Bottom on PnF@67 (09:57 AM) Daniel X: broken (09:57 AM) Daniel X: now (09:59 AM) johnl_6: out at 27.75 (09:59 AM) johnl_6: could be time for a fib bounce (09:59 AM) cheetah55: john, still short es? (09:59 AM) cheetah55: :-) (09:59 AM) cheetah55: nice one (09:59 AM) johnl_6: thanks (09:59 AM) Daniel X: 2 min till stop cleansing (10:00 AM) Daniel X: 1 (10:00 AM) cheetah55: es traded down to yest high (10:01 AM) bdmgem1: gotta fake out the oopps traders first...then bring it back down (10:04 AM) Daniel X: none event! (10:04 AM) dave_b_quick: 2B potential on LOD (10:04 AM) Daniel X: 63 DB break potential (10:05 AM) Daniel X: too late sorry (10:05 AM) Buffy_04364: bk (10:08 AM) tntneo: classic fade. might close gap. (10:09 AM) Dirk-X: testing PHOD (10:12 AM) Dirk-X: Okay, Buffy...let's get on the same wavelength for this one today (10:12 AM) Buffy_04364: ok dirk (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: 3pt macd divergence (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: on 60T (10:15 AM) Buffy_04364: anywhere else? (10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: watching here still (10:16 AM) Buffy_04364: but looking for a long (10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: the MA's are so close here (10:17 AM) Dirk-X: Watch out with that div...did not cross red line on each arc (10:17 AM) Dirk-X: not confirmed by REI div (10:17 AM) Buffy_04364: it usually isn't is it? (10:18 AM) ppusa: don.t be surprised if today's low is around 1725 on nq (10:18 AM) Dirk-X: the best ones are (10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: k (10:19 AM) Buffy_04364: tks (10:19 AM) cctraderx: ??? ppusa on 1725 - just trying to understand (10:20 AM) ppusa: i use a lot of point and figure and my 50 point reversal is screaming reverse me (10:20 AM) cctraderx: see that trend is down today after gap (10:20 AM) cctraderx: thanks ppusa (10:20 AM) Daniel X: out+4 (10:20 AM) Dirk-X: Should see support here (10:20 AM) Daniel X: 46 PnF support (10:20 AM) johnl_6: 50 point reversal ppusa? (10:22 AM) ppusa: the main thing wrong with P and F is you never know from where the reversal will take place (10:22 AM) Daniel X: not true (10:23 AM) ppusa: well then dan, do you think the 50 point will reverse from here? (10:23 AM) Daniel X: i saw it at support like any other method (10:24 AM) ppusa: it? (10:24 AM) Daniel X: the bounce (10:24 AM) ppusa: the current bounce in the last 5 minutes yes. (10:24 AM) Daniel X: no charts tell u when and where only potentials Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (10:26 AM) ppusa: experience is what tells you this (10:26 AM) erfan_24: Bon jour (10:26 AM) Dirk-X: big hanging man on the 3min...plus 2pt REI div on the 60tic Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:27 AM) Daniel X: lol so me a chart that tells u that and yuo would have found the Holy Grail (10:27 AM) ppusa: that's the point, charts don't (10:28 AM) erfan_24: il ya quelqu'un dans le salon qui parle français (10:28 AM) Daniel X: all charst do is give you setups..no one knows what's going to happen next...the only thing you can control are your losses (10:28 AM) Buffy_04364: dirk that is a hammer hangman at top of uptrend I think (10:28 AM) Dirk-X: strongly bet 75.5 was HOD (10:28 AM) Daniel X: oui mais ons travail ici (10:28 AM) johnl_6: I think you reversal guys may be onto something here (10:29 AM) erfan_24: Bon jour Daniel (10:29 AM) Dirk-X: either way...a long thing with just a little thing on the 3min.. :- ) (10:29 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (10:30 AM) cctraderx: :-) (10:30 AM) Daniel X: erfan ici nous sommes des investiseurs qui jou a la bourse (10:30 AM) Buffy_04364: hi cc (10:30 AM) cctraderx: hi buffy (10:30 AM) dave_b_quick: ou etes tu, daniel? (10:30 AM) Daniel X: Montreal (10:30 AM) cctraderx: good to see ya here today (10:30 AM) Buffy_04364: test of last swing high coming up on 60T (10:30 AM) Daniel X: and you? (10:31 AM) Buffy_04364: decided not to do Mike's class with two crashes yesterday (10:31 AM) Buffy_04364: takes the fun out of it (10:31 AM) Buffy_04364: if continues (10:31 AM) cctraderx: yep, understand (10:31 AM) Dirk-X: also one of those on the 15min (10:31 AM) dave_b_quick: j'avais des "partners" quebecois otrefois (10:31 AM) Daniel X: Dave? (10:31 AM) dave_b_quick: Buffalo, NY (10:31 AM) ppusa: you like hour charts? we may have just put in the high for this hour (10:32 AM) Daniel X: really...whare did u learn to speak french? (10:32 AM) Daniel X: where (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: sitting right on the ma (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: so Ma flat we wait (10:32 AM) Daniel X: ditto Buffy (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: BB'sare tightening up (10:32 AM) Buffy_04364: so coiling for something (10:32 AM) hanksterr: 1223 area major fib support (10:32 AM) dave_b_quick: FWI, Haiti mostly (10:33 AM) Daniel X: really..wow i'm impressed. (10:33 AM) dave_b_quick: st martin, st barthelemie (10:33 AM) Dirk-X: trying a long here (10:34 AM) Daniel X: clean French not this Quebecois slang i imagine (10:34 AM) dave_b_quick: my spanish is much better than my dockside french (10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: yep dirk but waiting (10:34 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: bs is in (10:34 AM) cheetah55: long es (10:34 AM) Buffy_04364: impressive Dave (10:34 AM) Daniel X: Buffy 59 your #? (10:35 AM) Buffy_04364: anymore good stuff you know (10:35 AM) Buffy_04364: 58 (10:35 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:35 AM) Buffy_04364: filled too (10:35 AM) Daniel X: seeing inverse H&S 1 min (10:35 AM) Dirk-X: out +5 (10:36 AM) Dirk-X: watch for R in 63 are (10:36 AM) Buffy_04364: nice dirk (10:36 AM) Daniel X: st 59.50 (10:36 AM) Dirk-X: but if it goes through...coul;d be big (10:37 AM) dave_b_quick: most of the good stuff i forgot buffy (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: out (10:37 AM) Buffy_04364: yes it could be (10:37 AM) Daniel X: out (10:37 AM) cheetah55: let's see if es blows thru 27 to upside like it did coming dowm (10:37 AM) cheetah55: important area (10:37 AM) Daniel X: +.5 just one little diff from Dirk's (10:38 AM) Daniel X: the dec (10:38 AM) Buffy_04364: good daniel (10:38 AM) Daniel X: good? (10:38 AM) Daniel X: b/e (10:38 AM) cheetah55: not goinh...out on es +1 (10:39 AM) Dirk-X: need to see support at 57-58 area (10:40 AM) johnl_6: wtg cheetah (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: oh sorry missed the decimal (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: but still you pd the com (10:40 AM) Daniel X: lol (10:40 AM) Buffy_04364: could of been worse (10:40 AM) Daniel X: +4.5 on the day not complaining (10:40 AM) Daniel X: yet (10:41 AM) Daniel X: we're at 2 critical points (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: yes we are (10:41 AM) Daniel X: down trend and up trend lines (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: and MA's (10:41 AM) Buffy_04364: can they hold (10:42 AM) Daniel X: waiting to see if we get a bullish or bearish triangle (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: ? (10:43 AM) Daniel X: on PnF (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: still in cannel on pyra so just might be an up (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: we will see (10:43 AM) Buffy_04364: oh ok (10:44 AM) 4nq: morning sports fans (10:44 AM) Daniel X: ;-) (10:44 AM) Buffy_04364: BB's are getting tight again also (10:45 AM) Daniel X: thnx (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: didn't make higher high (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: trading in down channel on pyra but not closed there (10:45 AM) Daniel X: Macds heading south (10:45 AM) Buffy_04364: k (10:46 AM) cheetah55: tx, john (10:47 AM) Buffy_04364: short (10:47 AM) Daniel X: looks like a bearish triangle (10:48 AM) Daniel X: gotta come under and print54 (10:48 AM) Buffy_04364: watch it be the one figure whatever that T talks about :-) (10:48 AM) Daniel X: Macd neg (10:49 AM) dave_b_quick: 5m and 9m and 15m trader short (10:49 AM) Buffy_04364: now that is encouraging :-) (10:51 AM) Daniel X: watch 47 (10:51 AM) ispecjh_1: Dave are the moving averages not too flat? (10:52 AM) Buffy_04364: not now they aren't (10:52 AM) dave_b_quick: i swore off indicators, cjh (10:53 AM) ispecjh_1: oh ok (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: I get tempted to go back to that quite often - I think it clouds what PA is doing sometimes (10:53 AM) Dirk-X: nice Buffy (10:53 AM) Daniel X: out +1 (10:53 AM) 4nq: long nq (10:53 AM) dave_b_quick: just basing my ST trend off lower high (10:53 AM) dave_b_quick: unless we get higher low here (10:53 AM) Buffy_04364: my stop is +6 (10:54 AM) Dirk-X: ! (10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: against the trend 4nq? (10:54 AM) Buffy_04364: hmmm hope we do get higher low (10:54 AM) Dirk-X: volitility definitely on downward moves (10:55 AM) dave_b_quick: looks likely buffy (10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: jury still out with me (10:55 AM) Buffy_04364: can't go through 9EMA yet (10:56 AM) 4nq: exit half@52 (10:56 AM) Daniel X: 47 next PnF break down # (10:56 AM) Buffy_04364: still trying Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (10:57 AM) Dirk-X: could be 2b test here (10:58 AM) 4nq: cancel 52 eixt (10:59 AM) ppusa: dirk was that you that thought the hod was in? (10:59 AM) Dirk-X: y (11:00 AM) ppusa: if you are correct, we will go further south (11:00 AM) Dirk-X: Though could see tight range today...but..etc (11:00 AM) ppusa: i've been shorting from 1766 (11:00 AM) Dirk-X: nice (11:01 AM) Dirk-X: Watch out for 40 (11:01 AM) Dirk-X: 38-40 (11:01 AM) Daniel X: ditto (11:01 AM) ppusa: scared me once on the pop to 1775 (11:01 AM) bdmgem1: new here ..so which one of you folks is retro trader? (11:02 AM) dave_b_quick: retro trader is a pigment of my imagination (11:03 AM) bdmgem1: ok so it's just someone who posted 2 after-the fact charts? (11:03 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, retro as in retrospect as in hindsight (11:03 AM) 4nq: buying nq (11:04 AM) bdmgem1: I have tons of those but I will spare u...... (11:04 AM) bdmgem1: save the webspace (11:04 AM) dave_b_quick: hahaha thet trader i would like to be (11:04 AM) Daniel X: +5 (11:04 AM) Daniel X: +6 (11:04 AM) Dirk-X: posted chart...shorts check the blue line (11:04 AM) Daniel X: sorry (11:05 AM) Buffy_04364: tks Dirk (11:05 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, dirk, i have that exact line on my NQ45m (11:06 AM) Dirk-X: nice to be in sync, Dave (11:06 AM) 4nq: exiting nq@45 (11:06 AM) Daniel X: thnx came out at support (11:06 AM) dave_b_quick: "like minds trade alike" (11:06 AM) Daniel X: I just love the Buddy system! (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted a pyra chart confirming (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (11:10 AM) Daniel X: thnx (11:10 AM) 4nq: "DO NOT DO THIS AT HOME"!!!! (11:10 AM) Buffy_04364: lol (11:10 AM) ispec_Pete77: Teachtrade just made 9.5 ES pts on their trade recommendation. Yesterday they lost (11:11 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i was watching that. Nice trade (11:11 AM) 4nq: made 2 points! (11:11 AM) 4nq: dumb trade (11:11 AM) Buffy_04364: reason for getting out? (11:12 AM) 4nq: religious (11:12 AM) Buffy_04364: lol (11:12 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:12 AM) 4nq: lol (11:13 AM) 4nq: mkt told me i was wrong at 49 buy (11:13 AM) dave_b_quick: prayer of the old scot: "Lord grant that I may be right, for thou knowest i am hard to turn." (11:13 AM) 4nq: i added@39 (11:13 AM) bdmgem1: ispec_pete...how much did they risk to make the 9.5 and how much did they lose yesterday (11:13 AM) Buffy_04364: another shelf - which way will it go? (11:14 AM) dave_b_quick: mayhaps another push down? (11:14 AM) 4nq: i often scale into what i perceive as over b/s swings (11:15 AM) Buffy_04364: maybe to do a 2B (11:15 AM) 4nq: sometimes the magic works, sometimes.......... (11:15 AM) Daniel X: we're right up under PnF downtrend line (11:15 AM) Daniel X: 47 (11:15 AM) dave_b_quick: 4nq, over bullsht swings? (11:16 AM) 4nq: bought/sold (11:16 AM) 4nq: same thing (11:16 AM) dave_b_quick: ty (11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: the 233T that Howard used in his example of pyra is real close to the same as 4M so staying with it for now (11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: the 4M (11:16 AM) Buffy_04364: gee I am leaving words out today - sorry guys (11:17 AM) 4nq: those who use pyra, how r u doing with it? (11:17 AM) 4nq: i got a headache just looking at it (11:17 AM) Buffy_04364: I am trusting it more each day but trading decsision still no solely on it (11:18 AM) 4nq: is it time comsuming ?? to follow i mean (11:18 AM) Buffy_04364: my lens fell out of my glasses and I have to find a screw to put it back in so excuse typss for now please (11:18 AM) Daniel X: that's the one chart I don't have :- ( (11:18 AM) Buffy_04364: no not once you get used to it (11:19 AM) Daniel X: so trade only one contract Buffy! (11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: big difference for me from 3 weeks ago (11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: depends on my mood daniel but usually (11:19 AM) Buffy_04364: I try two once in a while to get used to the added risk (11:19 AM) Daniel X: no i mean because u can only see half the market (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: lol (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: lol (11:20 AM) 4nq: trading 1 lots really limits success in nq (11:20 AM) Buffy_04364: didn't even think of that because other eye only colors in (11:20 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:21 AM) Daniel X: $nq..all depends on the enviroment (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: I see no dif - either dbl the profits or dbl the loss your % is the same (11:21 AM) Daniel X: 4 nq (11:21 AM) green1a: 4nq, how many do you recommend? (11:21 AM) dave_b_quick: 4nq, i'm still building up to trade 2 NQ (11:21 AM) dave_b_quick: just singles so far (11:21 AM) 4nq: BIG difference (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: I am with you dave - have to get used to it (11:21 AM) Daniel X: 2 to 5 myself (11:22 AM) Buffy_04364: not in % of being right or wrong (11:22 AM) Daniel X: but i hate the fills on 5 (11:22 AM) Buffy_04364: on your trades (11:22 AM) 4nq: well (11:22 AM) Buffy_04364: at least not last time I checked (11:22 AM) 4nq: i try and let some part of position run (11:22 AM) dave_b_quick: wow, on 5 contracts even a couple points is good $, what kinda crash stops you using? (11:23 AM) Daniel X: 5 initial allways (11:24 AM) dave_b_quick: when i grow up i'm gonna trade like you guys, or like retro-trader (11:24 AM) ppusa: big nq (ND) will save you $$$ on 5 lots (11:24 AM) 4nq: whatever works, use it (11:24 AM) 4nq: i often enter with ND (11:24 AM) 4nq: then scale out with nq (11:25 AM) Daniel X: then as it reaches $ i look for a reason to cut 2 or 3 and let the stop give me the rest if it comes back (11:25 AM) 4nq: scalp (11:26 AM) 4nq: but only use ND on limit orders...........fills suck (11:26 AM) ppusa: less volume (11:26 AM) Daniel X: no liquidity i'd rather be sailing here Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:27 AM) dave_b_quick: hahaha, that was my previous life, daniel (11:27 AM) Daniel X: lol (11:27 AM) jimbo_320: anyone long? (11:27 AM) 4nq: i must get 3 fills a day in NQ at the bid or offer when mkt NEVER goes thru (11:27 AM) 4nq: never happen in ND (11:27 AM) dave_b_quick: i ran a boatyard here in Buffalo catering to sailboats (11:27 AM) 4nq: locals get first (11:28 AM) Daniel X: ok we're at the 11:30 to 2 pm sideways grind back in awhile (11:29 AM) jimbo_320: sure looks like it (11:29 AM) Daniel X: really dave..i have a friend who runs a fishing boat out on the Cape (11:29 AM) Daniel X: kewl (11:29 AM) Daniel X: year round BBRRRrr (11:30 AM) 4nq: tough job (11:30 AM) Buffy_04364: ok guys I am going to try to fix glasses somehow - duct tape something - back when I can (11:31 AM) Daniel X: has got to be in his blood (11:31 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (11:31 AM) dave_b_quick: in 1969 i got kicked out of cape cod with a Newfoundland scooner for nudity by some of the crew and other offensive behavior (11:31 AM) Daniel X: bee back later everone (11:31 AM) Daniel X: lololo (11:31 AM) 4nq: have u been back,Dave? (11:31 AM) dave_b_quick: i'm respectable now (11:31 AM) paxton_5: hi, (11:31 AM) Daniel X: ok ok enuff gotta go! LOL (11:32 AM) 4nq: did they "recognize" you?? (11:32 AM) paxton_5: anyone out there has problem with patsystem?? (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: not familiar with patsystem, pax (11:33 AM) paxton_5: thanks (11:33 AM) dave_b_quick: you might ask in the TrendVUE room, password=ispec (11:34 AM) ppusa: i show today's high as hitting 200 day ma. We;ve been up 7 days in a row with higher highs, higher lows. Does anyone think we just might get a down day, maybe even a retest of 1600? (11:34 AM) ppusa: I use pats (11:35 AM) 4nq: yes,pp but it does not matter to my trading (11:36 AM) cctraderx: don't know if we'll get a down day or not, but did also notice same info about 7 days in row, pp (11:36 AM) Orprepus: yes - just a summer bear rally waiting to test previuos lows and close some open gaps (11:38 AM) Orprepus: vix & vnx in positive territory for first time in 6 days. Key to moving lower is long time support & resistance numbers 1783 in nq and 1225 is es (11:38 AM) ppusa: 4nq i guess that means you are shorter term trader. I am looking for a more "permanent short" (at least overnight) if they give me the right opportunity. (11:38 AM) johnl_6: well, guys, I'm done trading today. I have the mother of all head colds and I just don't feel like doing this. I'll watch the chat and try to say something funny every once in a while. (11:38 AM) cheetah55: ppusa, what is patsystem? (11:39 AM) cheetah55: get better john (11:39 AM) ppusa: what is vix and vns (11:39 AM) johnl_6: thx (11:39 AM) 4nq: PATS........excellent (11:39 AM) ppusa: pats is an internet trading system that is so fast (11:40 AM) ppusa: no broker, straight to exchange (11:40 AM) jimbo_320: last vix is 23.18 (11:41 AM) ppusa: and vix stands for? (11:41 AM) cheetah55: volatility index (11:41 AM) cheetah55: a measure of volatility in the oex options, I believe (11:42 AM) jimbo_320: the ratio of put and call option, i take over 30 to mean fear in the market, you can be sure cnbc are say 'time to sell', then its usually time to buy (11:42 AM) paxton_5: thanks again dave 4 giving me the clues. (11:43 AM) cheetah55: Is pats used for trading futures or stocks or both? Who is the clearing broker for the trades? (11:43 AM) jimbo_320: vix was 28.6 when es bottomed two weeks ago (11:43 AM) ppusa: futures...EDF Man (11:44 AM) 4nq: many brokers use Pats (11:44 AM) paxton_5: yes, its by man financial. (11:44 AM) ppusa: works great witha few exceptions (11:44 AM) 4nq: no it is not (11:44 AM) 4nq: Tom Theys is Pats (11:44 AM) 4nq: brokers r just re-sellers (11:45 AM) ppusa: maybe man has an exclusive? (11:45 AM) 4nq: no (11:45 AM) 4nq: refco (11:45 AM) 4nq: GNI (11:45 AM) 4nq: Mann (11:45 AM) 4nq: and many IBs (11:45 AM) ppusa: cool (11:45 AM) 4nq: cut ur own deal (11:45 AM) 4nq: what u pay rt,pp? (11:45 AM) ppusa: it is so fast that i have gotten into trouble using it (11:46 AM) 4nq: yep (11:46 AM) 4nq: lol (11:46 AM) ppusa: pats charges $1.00 on top of commission (11:46 AM) 4nq: kinda (11:46 AM) ppusa: per round turn (11:46 AM) paxton_5: right (11:46 AM) 4nq: not really (11:46 AM) paxton_5: is 0.50 per side (11:46 AM) dave_b_quick: what kinda commission? (11:47 AM) 4nq: u can pay a once a month fee (11:47 AM) ppusa: yea, $50.00 per month (I was quoted) plus the 50 cents per side (11:48 AM) 4nq: well (11:48 AM) 4nq: they all use it to set commiss (11:48 AM) paxton_5: it should matter if it works well (11:48 AM) ppusa: depending on trader volume, you may get the fee waived (11:48 AM) dave_b_quick: pp, you mean that's the only commission you pay? or broker commission on top of that? (11:48 AM) 4nq: i wasa offered $3.82 rt (11:49 AM) boomer_95: what is their site address> (11:49 AM) paxton_5: hoe many rt ave u r doung per day? (11:49 AM) 4nq: a lot (11:49 AM) ppusa: pats $1.00 per round turn without regard to commission (11:49 AM) paxton_5: 4 getting this 3.82rt (11:50 AM) 4nq: TALK to ur broker (11:50 AM) 4nq: negotiate (11:50 AM) paxton_5: yes thanks (11:50 AM) ppusa: paxton, who is your broker? (11:50 AM) paxton_5: i am now paying 10.00rt (11:50 AM) 4nq: for pats? (11:50 AM) ppusa: seems reasonable (11:51 AM) ppusa: does that include pats fees (11:51 AM) Buffy_04364: bk (11:51 AM) paxton_5: 4 doing about 10-25rt per day (11:51 AM) paxton_5: no (11:51 AM) 4nq: pax, r u using pats? (11:51 AM) paxton_5: yes (11:52 AM) 4nq: broker? (11:52 AM) paxton_5: mtradepro. (11:52 AM) 4nq: bet it's a IB (11:52 AM) paxton_5: online without broker assist (11:52 AM) ppusa: mtrade pro is man financial (11:52 AM) Buffy_04364: and can see now! (11:52 AM) 4nq: 52 is fib (11:52 AM) ppusa: retesting high (11:53 AM) ppusa: hod (11:54 AM) paxton_5: man financial (11:55 AM) ppusa: for more info on pats go to Man's web site manfutures.com or call 800 621-3424 (11:55 AM) paxton_5: anyway got to go to fix pats's problems (11:55 AM) 4nq: Pats appears to be putting pressure on other on-line platforms to low rates (11:55 AM) 4nq: good time to call ur broker for lower rates (11:55 AM) ppusa: i think they redid pats system soft ware last night (11:56 AM) cheetah55: so u guys using pats, what is your monthly fee and what is your rt total rate per emini contract? (11:56 AM) ppusa: $1.00 per rt (11:56 AM) cheetah55: monthly fee? Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (11:57 AM) ppusa: total would be $11.00 is your commission is 10.00 / rt (11:57 AM) 4nq: 55, monthly fee is misleading (11:57 AM) ppusa: monthly fee for me is zero, it was waived (11:58 AM) 4nq: not really (11:58 AM) 4nq: how many rt do u do a month? (11:58 AM) ppusa: but then i don't pay 10.00 / rt, i pay more (11:58 AM) cheetah55: man, u guys are confusing me (11:59 AM) 4nq: i was offered a $350 monthly OR $.50 a side (11:59 AM) 4nq: so (11:59 AM) 4nq: if i do over 350 per month (11:59 AM) 4nq: i should take the monthly fee (11:59 AM) ppusa: my pats bill has been as high as $450. (11:59 AM) ppusa: so 450 trades (12:00 PM) 4nq: right (12:00 PM) jimbo_320: ppusa, do they have a java or broswer trade workstation (12:00 PM) 4nq: so if u had a 350 fee (12:00 PM) cheetah55: Are u paying a broker commision on top of that? (12:00 PM) 4nq: u should take it (12:00 PM) 4nq: and no $1 rt (12:01 PM) cheetah55: short es (12:01 PM) ppusa: you know that bounce to 1754.5, we may not see that price again today. (12:01 PM) 4nq: PATS is the lowest way to trade e-mini.Period (12:02 PM) dave_b_quick: at IB we pay $2.95 per side including all fees, period. (12:02 PM) 4nq: yeah, that 52 was good point (12:02 PM) ppusa: jimbo. not understanding (12:02 PM) 4nq: right, Dave (12:02 PM) 4nq: and I pay $3.82 ALL IN (12:02 PM) jimbo_320: do you download software or is it running in a browser (12:03 PM) ppusa: running in a b (12:03 PM) boomer_95: 4nq..yours is based on volume? (12:03 PM) ppusa: long on and it comes up in another window (12:03 PM) 4nq: yes (12:03 PM) ppusa: log on (12:03 PM) boomer_95: rt per month? (12:04 PM) ppusa: dave, who is 1B? (12:04 PM) ppusa: ib (12:04 PM) ppusa: whoever (12:04 PM) dave_b_quick: interactivebrokers.com (12:04 PM) paxton_5: inmteractive broker (12:04 PM) ppusa: thanks (12:05 PM) 4nq: Timberhill (12:05 PM) dave_b_quick: they don't do all the futures, only the electronic exchanges (12:05 PM) tntneo: hi.. where can I get a summary of pyrapoint method ? I see several use it here. (12:05 PM) EdwardB52: what is round turn $ (12:05 PM) dave_b_quick: and they do a lot of stocks (12:05 PM) 4nq: IB is 5.90 rt for all (12:06 PM) EdwardB52: what is min deposit (12:06 PM) ppusa: not if you are dave b quick!!! (12:06 PM) dave_b_quick: interactivebrokers.com is $5.90 rt even for us little guys, with no bargaining required (12:06 PM) jimbo_320: dave, you traded currency futures on ib? (12:06 PM) paxton_5: by the way infinity broker r not charging fee for using pats (12:06 PM) dave_b_quick: no, just bonds and e-minis (12:06 PM) 4nq: if u wanna trade u better know how to bargain!!!!! lol (12:06 PM) EdwardB52: any complaints on fills or service ? (12:06 PM) boomer_95: infinity broker site? (12:07 PM) jimbo_320: anyone know what the $ per point on currency is? (12:07 PM) EdwardB52: 12.50 (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: tnt - go to ensign site and read the newsletters Jan 01 is where pyra first was mentioned (12:07 PM) ppusa: by the way dirk (and dave) thanks for the chart and warning on 40 (12:07 PM) paxton_5: u r right dave (12:07 PM) dave_b_quick: i never heard of positive slippage 'til i switched to IB (12:07 PM) EdwardB52: how fast are the fills (12:08 PM) dave_b_quick: second or 2, max so far 7 (12:08 PM) paxton_5: how do u rate IB? (12:08 PM) EdwardB52: any complaints dave ? (12:08 PM) ppusa: interactive and infinity two different firms? (12:09 PM) dave_b_quick: IB discourages telephone orders (12:09 PM) 4nq: lol (12:09 PM) EdwardB52: can you call if there is a trade problem ? (12:09 PM) 4nq: IB platform is good...............service is bad (12:10 PM) paxton_5: but u got to call if system down. unavoidable, how frequent? (12:10 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, i only had to call once since i started with IB (12:10 PM) jimbo_320: the only gripe i have with ib, fills are fast if there are not many buyers, sellers, market orders about 1s, howver if there is a lot of buyers dont expect to filled with a limit, i've watched the contracts decrease, only to find them jump up again, with me obviously the the back of the queue (12:10 PM) paxton_5: since when? (12:10 PM) jimbo_320: still at the back of the queue (12:11 PM) paxton_5: do you know your ping(speed) in ms? (12:11 PM) paxton_5: i am getting about 320ms at my side (12:11 PM) 4nq: good luk to all. good bye (12:11 PM) cheetah55: out of es short (12:12 PM) paxton_5: thanks 4ng (12:12 PM) dave_b_quick: i've been with IB 4 months, 366 rt's (12:12 PM) paxton_5: u mean 366rts for 4 mths (12:12 PM) dave_b_quick: yes (12:12 PM) jimbo_320: ib ping is 265ms from gb on 56k dialup (12:13 PM) dave_b_quick: what IP do you ping, jimbo? (12:13 PM) dave_b_quick: or where do i find what IP to ping from US? (12:14 PM) jimbo_320: load up a dos window and type ping www.interactivebrokers.com (12:14 PM) dave_b_quick: ok ty (12:15 PM) dave_b_quick: OK from Buffalo to IB i get 42ms (12:15 PM) jimbo_320: edward was the 12.50 for my currency question, if so what contract is that (12:17 PM) dave_b_quick: on my cable i get 42ms to IB, on my DSL i get 85ms (12:17 PM) paxton_5: thats is fast dave (12:18 PM) paxton_5: on my cable i get 312ms (12:18 PM) cctraderx: 205 on 56k from new orleans (12:18 PM) paxton_5: u r so lucky to live in us (12:19 PM) dave_b_quick: well, IB must be pretty quick at their end too, 'cuz the fill report fills in usually before my eyes get to the other side of the screen (12:19 PM) paxton_5: ah, cool (12:19 PM) GGriz: has anyone else had problems with IB today? (12:19 PM) jimbo_320: i like the email they send me each night as a report on my trades (12:20 PM) ppusa: van i go short? (12:20 PM) ppusa: can (12:20 PM) dave_b_quick: IB doesn't do margin calls, but they say they will disallow a trade that was done beyond your margin requirements (12:21 PM) ppusa: can you pick which trade. give them a loser (12:21 PM) GGriz: I am having connection problems with IB today, is anyone else having trouble? (12:21 PM) dave_b_quick: my previous broker ran my order through their margin computer to make sure i was within the limit before the order went to the exchange (slow) (12:21 PM) dave_b_quick: ok here griz (12:21 PM) GGriz: thanks (12:22 PM) dave_b_quick: ppusa, they profit if it was a winner, they eat it if it's a loser and ask you to take yr business elsewhere (12:22 PM) GGriz: BTW, I am using direcpc sat downlink and avg 575ms (12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: hitting time lne on pyra (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: my average was 43 on dsl (12:23 PM) ppusa: so can i go short (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: charts look like they are frozen - not nice (12:23 PM) ppusa: i'm thinking i want to see one more cycle up, thenmaybe there (12:24 PM) GGriz: What are you all generally trading? I am only trying ES. (12:24 PM) ppusa: nq here (12:24 PM) dave_b_quick: mainly NQ here (12:24 PM) paxton_5: es 4 me (12:24 PM) jimbo_320: es, nq, stocks (12:25 PM) ppusa: we are about to break one minute 200 bar MA (12:25 PM) johnl_6: es here too (12:25 PM) GGriz: thanks, will lurk around for a while. (12:26 PM) ppusa: on it (12:26 PM) Buffy_04364: posted 3m with tl and cycles (12:26 PM) paxton_5: good rm 4 sp Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:27 PM) paxton_5: where u fr 4 getting 500+on ping (12:27 PM) paxton_5: ggriz (12:27 PM) GGriz: Alaska wilderness (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: got the poke bar (12:28 PM) jimbo_320: 1226 is yesterdays high on es (12:28 PM) paxton_5: i am fr singapore (12:28 PM) GGriz: this is 3 pushes up in this leg (12:28 PM) dave_b_quick: wow, we really are an international group here! (12:28 PM) paxton_5: right (12:28 PM) GGriz: Woe Paxton it's tomorrow already (12:29 PM) paxton_5: right (12:29 PM) paxton_5: 11hrs ahead fr esaterntime (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: also posted a 4M pyra (12:29 PM) dave_b_quick: wow, i wish i could trade yesterdays market today, must be nice pax (12:29 PM) ppusa: through 200 (12:30 PM) paxton_5: right (12:30 PM) jimbo_320: 1226 is also the neckline of a h+s on the es60 (12:30 PM) ppusa: about to go short (12:31 PM) jimbo_320: or bottom of trendline depending on how you look at it (12:32 PM) ppusa: waiting (12:32 PM) ppusa: done (12:32 PM) GGriz: my count invalid now by break of 27 (12:33 PM) dave_b_quick: Alaska, Canada, US mainland, Mexico, Singapore, any other countries represented here? (12:33 PM) paxton_5: I could not trade today, think got to say goodbye to my broker and lookout 4 others (12:34 PM) dave_b_quick: pays to shop (12:36 PM) ppusa: pats is messing up today, I'lll be back (12:36 PM) jimbo_320: out of es long +4 (12:36 PM) dave_b_quick: good job, jimbo (12:37 PM) jimbo_320: took 2 on the way down and 4 on the way up :-) (12:39 PM) GGriz: Is the audio working now? If someone broadcast their clock, hours, minutes, and seconds, it would give an indication of the lag with this software (12:40 PM) Dirk-X: no lag here (12:40 PM) Dirk-X: interesting test (12:40 PM) GGriz: I heard the mic open but got no sound (12:40 PM) ispec_Pete77: One second here (12:41 PM) cctraderx: sound ok here (12:41 PM) Dirk-X: anybody trading (12:41 PM) ppusa: y (12:41 PM) dave_b_quick: griz, are you on a network or running firewall (12:41 PM) Trendvue_David: dirk falling asleep (12:41 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm having lunch (12:42 PM) Trendvue_David: and lunch (12:42 PM) GGriz: I have a firewall but I just checked that and it's checked. I heard Howard fine last night (12:42 PM) jimbo_320: dave heard you here (12:43 PM) Dirk-X: just had lunch...tuna sandwich (12:43 PM) dave_b_quick: griz, might have to close paltalk and restart, that works for buffy when she loses sound (12:43 PM) GGriz: OK tnx I'm gone (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: 99% of the time it works (12:43 PM) Dirk-X: anybody here familiar with MikeW's sandwich indicator (12:44 PM) dave_b_quick: i lose sound when my cable ISP refreshes my IP address (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: that sounds like a new one to me dirk (12:44 PM) Dirk-X: from the old ispec chat (12:44 PM) Dirk-X: the old, old refresh window chat room (12:45 PM) GGriz: Thanks, I have a 5 sec delay; that's what I expect due to the satellite fly time (12:45 PM) Dirk-X: with the classic staggered colored bands and no sound (12:45 PM) Trendvue_David: sat any good (12:45 PM) Dirk-X: ahh, the good ol' days (12:45 PM) johnl_6: dirk, what's the sammich indicator (12:45 PM) johnl_6: ? (12:45 PM) dave_b_quick: sandwich indicator was put on a short when mike goes for his lunch, right? (12:46 PM) GGriz: when I had live squawk and checked lag over the telefone it was about half a second (12:46 PM) Dirk-X: sandwich...eat a sandwich and set off market movement (12:46 PM) Dirk-X: automatic (12:46 PM) Dirk-X: I think tuna starts a fake move (12:46 PM) Dirk-X: so, should come out of lunchtime and resume downward movement for a retest of lows (12:47 PM) dave_b_quick: not even peanut butter with sliced bananas & honey got a rise out of this market today (12:47 PM) johnl_6: you know what? I was in another room where the same thing happened with another. It was uncanny. we called it the Lunch Effect. (12:47 PM) johnl_6: with another guy (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL I remember now (12:49 PM) Dirk-X: just posted 5min with a couple of interesting lines and stuff..FWIW (12:51 PM) ppusa: who's your daddy (12:52 PM) ppusa: I'm out (12:52 PM) boomer_95: dirk..the yellow candle before a reversal..is that built in the program? (12:54 PM) boomer_95: sorry..no mic..problem with it.. (12:54 PM) Dirk-X: yes...the coplor scheme is based on Dunnigan bars..higher high +higher low = green; lower high + lower low = red; inside bars= silver; outside bars = yellow (12:55 PM) Dirk-X: coplor = color (12:56 PM) boomer_95: thx...cool Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (12:59 PM) johnl_6: sort of amazing that the trin hasn't been above 1.00 yet today. (01:00 PM) Dirk-X: That's tuna for ya...one fake out, now down (01:00 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:00 PM) Dirk-X: Though it was on whole grain bread (01:00 PM) cctraderx: nyse trin? (01:01 PM) johnl_6: yes, started extremely low and been rising (01:02 PM) johnl_6: but hasn't been in bearish territory yet (01:02 PM) Trendvue_David: ARCA will be shut down in 4 mins (01:03 PM) cctraderx: 1.16 on qcharts now, just dropped to 1.15 on trin (01:03 PM) Orprepus: buffy - you there (01:04 PM) GGriz: .. (01:04 PM) Daniel X: Superpro..get my charts? (01:05 PM) dave_b_quick: ARCA is an ECN? (01:05 PM) dave_b_quick: like ISLAND? (01:05 PM) cctraderx: y (01:06 PM) cctraderx: archapeligo (01:06 PM) ppusa: 2 cents says we will take out today's low (01:07 PM) GGriz: internals pretty mixed (01:07 PM) GGriz: did anyone sell 27 handle? (01:07 PM) ppusa: yea, well that's about what it is worth (01:07 PM) cctraderx: at least it looks like Dirk's prediction was right, seen HOD (01:07 PM) ppusa: y (01:08 PM) ppusa: but i would not yet go blindly short (01:08 PM) ppusa: i've been nipping (01:09 PM) johnl_6: cctrader, i've noticed differences between ensign and qcharts. (01:09 PM) GGriz: well I choked and froze; anyone have a cure for that?????? (01:09 PM) johnl_6: wish I knew which was right. (01:09 PM) Orprepus: yoda (01:09 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:10 PM) Orprepus: trust in the trade luke sits on top of my minor (01:10 PM) Orprepus: minor = monitor (01:10 PM) John FF: nice sht here on naz with 53 stop (01:10 PM) dave_b_quick: griz, i usually enter on a stop order, that's been my cure for hesitation (01:10 PM) Orprepus: good advice dave (01:11 PM) Daniel X: Frisbee man di u get my charts? (01:11 PM) Daniel X: u up there (01:11 PM) GGriz: wow, that's braver than limits (01:11 PM) Daniel X: Oprepus? (01:12 PM) Orprepus: Dan-X got them but have not looked yet trying to figure how to view in ensign (01:12 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (01:13 PM) Orprepus: anyone have any suggestion on how to import dat file to be view in EW - never done it and have to find the manual (01:13 PM) dave_b_quick: no, what program makes the .dat files? (01:14 PM) ppusa: i'm short. i am going to hold it (01:14 PM) qatwo: file : file manager : import data (01:15 PM) Orprepus: thanks qatwo (01:15 PM) Daniel X: trying to get back in need a bounce (01:16 PM) Orprepus: DAn-x getingt short (01:16 PM) cctraderx: es 5 min - doji's all over place in thelast hr (01:16 PM) Daniel X: been short scalping all day (01:16 PM) GGriz: u short nq? (01:16 PM) GGriz: ppusa? (01:17 PM) ppusa: this is only a retest of today's low and shorting here is not recommended (01:17 PM) ppusa: but i am short (01:17 PM) ppusa: nq (01:17 PM) GGriz: tnx (01:17 PM) cctraderx: do as I say, not as I do...... (01:18 PM) ppusa: yep (01:18 PM) Daniel X: here it is (01:18 PM) Daniel X: i hope (01:19 PM) John FF: 43 resistance nq (01:20 PM) ppusa: looking for that elusive 50 point reversal (01:21 PM) Dirk-X: Dave look at the line on your 45min...right there now (01:22 PM) Orprepus: back Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. (01:24 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i see that dirk, quite a crossroads (01:26 PM) Daniel X: out +3 too slow (01:26 PM) ppusa: covered short (01:27 PM) ppusa: waiting for bounce to reinitiate Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:27 PM) GGriz: Daniel, what are you trading? (01:28 PM) Daniel X: nq (01:28 PM) GGriz: tnx (01:28 PM) Daniel X: u (01:28 PM) GGriz: es (01:28 PM) Daniel X: k (01:29 PM) Daniel X: PPUSA where's your entry target? (01:29 PM) John FF: would like to see gap on nq filled at 48 (01:30 PM) ppusa: my dream price is 1760 maybe tonight while i am dreaming (01:30 PM) Daniel X: short? (01:30 PM) ppusa: yes, selling at 60 (01:30 PM) John FF: to much res at 58 ppusa (01:30 PM) johnl_6: anybody experience problems with Windows ME while paltalk is running? (01:30 PM) ppusa: that's why i am dreamiong (01:31 PM) John FF: lol (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: GGriz - do have email open on same machine? If so compact those folders - it helps (01:31 PM) ppusa: but at night, dream's come true (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: I am back O (01:31 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:31 PM) John FF: wet dreams that is! (01:31 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:31 PM) ppusa: well if it works (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: No clue on importing O (01:32 PM) dave_b_quick: using win2k here john, still occasional paltalk foibles (01:32 PM) cctraderx: did not like winME, switched to 2000 (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: tks gatwo - nice to learn somethng new (01:32 PM) cctraderx: before paltalk though (01:32 PM) johnl_6: I may have to do that cc. (01:33 PM) johnl_6: have 2 machines with ME and have problems with both (01:33 PM) cctraderx: win 98 is also very stable on laptop but have to close down a bunch of apps after a while (01:33 PM) GGriz: tkd Buffy (01:33 PM) Orprepus: buffy what did you use to view Dan-X's PnF charts (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: they just opened for me no problem (01:34 PM) cctraderx: my experience is 98 is more stable than ME on some apps (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't think Hang on will see (01:34 PM) qatwo: depends on what type of data it is, if ensign, you can merge it or save it in the ensign directory and open it, or if ascii, use the ascii import (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: paint is what it used to open (01:34 PM) GGriz: missed agn (01:35 PM) GGriz: there is some big time tape fighting going on internally (01:35 PM) ispecjh_1: nas at the 25th trendlin and 40 pivot (01:35 PM) Daniel X: missed? (01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: posted a PP (01:36 PM) jimbo_320: tech stocks near lows, clunk ? (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: on your retro chart dave are you stopped out on that red bar on the trend up? (01:37 PM) boomer_95: i have a question on ensign..any experts here? (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: ok same for trend down - so guess the question is your stops on this (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: we can try boomer (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: howard isn't on right now (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: do our best (01:38 PM) boomer_95: do u have Williams A/D available for inidicator? (01:38 PM) ppusa: ensign question? (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: williams %R and that is it (01:38 PM) boomer_95: ok..thx (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: unless hiding somewhere (01:38 PM) scylnx: Yes Ensign has Williams %R (01:39 PM) GGriz: Daniel, I choked a sell at 122450 (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: is that the same as williams A/D that he asked about? (01:39 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, wiliams a/d is one of the options under "on balance volume" (01:39 PM) dave_b_quick: in ensign (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: howard posted a pyrapoint (01:40 PM) dave_b_quick: did you read the welcome message? (01:40 PM) ppusa: i want one (01:40 PM) Orprepus: how do boot her (01:40 PM) cctraderx: dave cheetah...... (01:40 PM) boomer_95: thx dave (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: Chaikin is there too (01:40 PM) Dirk-X: 10$ (01:40 PM) John FF: Bite Me! (01:40 PM) Dirk-X: tops (01:41 PM) Trendvue_David: what is she selling (01:41 PM) dave_b_quick: Lil_Angel06 has been bounced from the group (01:41 PM) cctraderx: $9 (01:41 PM) jimbo_320: tech at lows (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks Dave (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (01:41 PM) Orprepus: great dave (01:41 PM) cctraderx: thanks dave (01:42 PM) John FF: 1735 nq pivot (01:42 PM) boomer_95: 1725 is P correct? (01:42 PM) Daniel X: i have 1724 as pivot (01:42 PM) boomer_95: yes (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: 1731.35 is my pyra - not in sync with Howard on this as I am using 4M (01:43 PM) ppusa: reminder - nq has been up seven days in a row higher highs, higher lows. They could slam it hard (01:43 PM) cctraderx: nq 35 pivot here (01:43 PM) jimbo_320: gap close on es, now take out 1220 and zoom..... (01:44 PM) Daniel X: yesterdays big 30! (01:44 PM) 4nq: damn, i butchered a great short (01:44 PM) John FF: 1721 next sup then 1715 (01:45 PM) 4nq: maybe 1725 a wee support (01:45 PM) ppusa: 4nq, there will be more (01:45 PM) 4nq: yep (01:46 PM) Orprepus: On this down move vix & vnx both have remained postive - they have a high odds of closing in the negative - only 12 since 1990 that vix has closed positive after 6 up days (01:46 PM) jimbo_320: well that was a big bounce of 1220 LOL (01:46 PM) ppusa: 4nq play the extremes. don't get caught in a down draft (01:46 PM) Daniel X: come on bounce already (01:47 PM) Orprepus: everyone breath (01:48 PM) 4nq: Orp, u mean when mkt was up 6 days not vix,right? (01:49 PM) Daniel X: damn (01:49 PM) Orprepus: messed up vix inverse - 6 down days not up sorry (01:49 PM) dave_b_quick: had to go all the way down to 2m chart to get an upbar (01:50 PM) cctraderx: and did you ss off of it? (01:50 PM) dave_b_quick: ya STPLMT (01:50 PM) ppusa: in my dream (01:51 PM) dave_b_quick: now BE 1731 (01:51 PM) John FF: bounce to 34.50 w/o break of 35 would be nice sell (01:51 PM) cctraderx: pp remember 50 pt reversal means 20 pts gone but another 30, hehehehe (01:52 PM) ppusa: sorry no comprendo (01:53 PM) cctraderx: didn't you say 50 pt reversal from p&f (01:53 PM) dave_b_quick: oh well. (01:53 PM) ppusa: yes (01:53 PM) ppusa: 1775 minus 50 - 1725 (01:53 PM) Daniel X: 3 points from 24 pivot close enuff (01:53 PM) ppusa: 2.5 ticks to go (01:53 PM) cctraderx: still have more to go, oh, I see, from todays hi (01:53 PM) cctraderx: sorry (01:54 PM) Orprepus: today reminds me of Tom Petty (01:54 PM) Orprepus: Free Falling (01:55 PM) dave_b_quick: i think i missed that movie (01:55 PM) ppusa: yea, but a miss by 2.5 ticks, is the same as a miss by a mile (01:55 PM) ppusa: however, i'm with Tom there and i think we will get slammed (01:55 PM) Daniel X: hope so (01:56 PM) GGriz: looks like next supp in es 1216? (01:56 PM) jimbo_320: out es +4 (01:56 PM) ppusa: we are currently on major support and i think it will break and then we have to deal with what is going to end up as the low for the month (01:56 PM) cctraderx: good trade jimbo (01:57 PM) dave_b_quick: nice job jim Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:58 PM) John FF: dbl bottom at 27.50 will be revisited (01:58 PM) Daniel X: trying to pick the high short here near 36 (01:58 PM) Buffy_04364: last swing low of yesterday stopped it (01:58 PM) jimbo_320: still looks weak, more downside maybe (01:59 PM) dave_b_quick: otta make another run for it, SS under 3m upbars for me unless get more of a bounce (01:59 PM) John FF: res at 35 (01:59 PM) Daniel X: exactly (02:00 PM) Daniel X: what # Dave? (02:01 PM) dave_b_quick: 5m nice upbar now, 1730.50 is one tic under (02:01 PM) Daniel X: Dave/ (02:01 PM) Daniel X: ? (02:01 PM) Daniel X: thnx (02:04 PM) Daniel X: careful we're near the 2:20 (02:04 PM) dave_b_quick: you gonna try and buy that, daniel? (02:04 PM) jimbo_320: hopefully get a pop and antother entry (02:04 PM) Daniel X: always (02:05 PM) Daniel X: well 3 out of 5 at least (02:05 PM) dave_b_quick: stop out -3 (02:06 PM) Daniel X: buy 1 and if it goes the other way i'll add and come out who knows (02:06 PM) tamepiglet: Is that like straddle spanking? lol (02:06 PM) John FF: long here stop at 30 (02:06 PM) Daniel X: he he (02:07 PM) ppusa: hitting resis on 5 min (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: on time line in pyra (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: poke bar on 3M on down trendline (02:10 PM) John FF: break above 35 res positive (02:10 PM) John FF: 42 1st obj (02:12 PM) Ensign Software: Hi, all, I changed my nickname from ensignsoft to Ensign Software, so make the change to your Online Pal list if you want to know when I am on-line. I will be using Ensign Software from now on. (02:12 PM) Ensign Software: I just posted 2 charts for NQ as requested to www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (02:12 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, and thanks for the new version yesterday (02:13 PM) Ensign Software: welcome (02:13 PM) Daniel X: early train (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: yes that new versions sure fixed the market hours (02:14 PM) 4nq: re daily price lines,buffy?? (02:14 PM) John FF: stop to 35 b/e trade (02:14 PM) Buffy_04364: no after market hours showing where you had told it not to (02:14 PM) Orprepus: Howard - thanks for posting nq charts (02:15 PM) Ensign Software: sure, for educational purposes only. I am not telling you what trades to made. You make your own decisions. (02:15 PM) jimbo_320: dojis galore on 3 min es (02:15 PM) Daniel X: st b/e +.5 35.50 (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: oh we already all know that in here Howard (02:16 PM) 4nq: u take ? on pc here, Howard? (02:16 PM) Daniel X: out+.5 (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: we are together Daniel (02:16 PM) John FF: is doji good or bad? (02:16 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:16 PM) Buffy_04364: depends John it does say to be awake :-) (02:17 PM) Daniel X: 4 min to go (02:17 PM) dave_b_quick: john, doji is exhaustion or indecision, can be a turning point (02:18 PM) Daniel X: 39 key (02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: could be a big bear flag on five minute? (02:19 PM) 4nq: for any Ensign user: when i put"daily price lines " on Nq it gives my yest close as the price at midnite last nite. on ND it's ok since i use day session only. Any advice/ (02:19 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, buffy and 9 (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: well short at 34.50 (02:20 PM) Daniel X: careful it's 2:20 (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: we will see watching for higher low (02:20 PM) Buffy_04364: tks daniel (02:20 PM) Daniel X: Macd neg (02:21 PM) jimbo_320: john i use doji to get a low risk entry on a trade, use a tight stop, you win lots but lose little, my favourite es trade (02:21 PM) John FF: out +5 (02:21 PM) qatwo: well that's what is supposed to do 4n, just draw a horizontal line at yest close (02:22 PM) Dirk-X: short here (02:22 PM) ppusa: 4nq change market hours (02:23 PM) 4nq: yes, but it draws it as 1744 today.........which is price at midnite close (02:23 PM) Daniel X: PnF higher lows (02:23 PM) John FF: trendline sup at 31` (02:24 PM) ppusa: 4nq icreated a "custom symbol" for nq because ensign has had it so screwed up (02:24 PM) 4nq: hmm (02:25 PM) Buffy_04364: upgrade since 7PM last night? fixed a lot of it (02:25 PM) Dirk-X: long here..LOL (02:25 PM) ppusa: will try that buff, i picked that up from your last (02:25 PM) ppusa: shorting (02:25 PM) Daniel X: lol (02:26 PM) moses_13: jimbo_320 what period of chart do you use for doji??? Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:27 PM) Ensign Software: when you have a problem you can either tolerate it, or you can come find me on Paltalk, probably in Ensign Windows Users room, or write a descriptive e-mail (and include image if you can) and then I can help you either understand how to use the product differently, or I can try to find and fix the behavior you are reporting. (02:28 PM) ppusa: reported nq years ago (02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I thought you were off when I sent the email - didn't know you changed the name (02:28 PM) Daniel X: damn that 36 (02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't get a screen shot because that "fixes" what I am trying to show you :-) (02:29 PM) jimbo_320: i'm out +0.5, i'll wait till it clunks first (02:29 PM) John FF: 40 1st res. If 45 broken look for 55 to 58 (02:29 PM) ppusa: i have a p and f chart that shows probability of 15 pt bounce but i still won't buy (02:29 PM) 4nq: selling nq (02:29 PM) Ensign Software: On the NQ issue by 4np and ppusa, first get a current version. Then the items you talk about depend on market hours for NQ being posted in the SetUp | Market Hours table. Verify NQ is listed and if not found, then add it with sync and open =8:30, close at 15:15, 2nd open = 15:45 and 2nd close = 8:30. Then we both will be the same and should both have the same behavior. (02:30 PM) jimbo_320: 1222 should find sellers (02:30 PM) 4nq: k (02:30 PM) John FF: lower hi's here res dn to 38 from 40 (02:31 PM) ppusa: yea nq is there but the symbol has always been @nq for dtn (02:31 PM) Ensign Software: NQ is all that should be there. The entry works for the @NQ used by DTN. (02:31 PM) 4nq: i have talked w Sheldon re this and he couldn't get it (02:32 PM) 4nq: but will download current and see (02:32 PM) 4nq: thx (02:32 PM) ppusa: 4nq who is your data provider? (02:32 PM) 4nq: esig (02:32 PM) Dirk-X: long (02:32 PM) Ensign Software: well, come find me. some behavior is version dependant for when the problem starts and when it stops. (02:32 PM) 4nq: ensign tops in my book! (02:33 PM) 4nq: i've used them all (02:33 PM) Ensign Software: and, as always, the buck stops with me. I am the one who knows the most about the program since I am the one who wrote it and continues to make improvements to it. (02:33 PM) boomer_95: hi ..can u overlay as many tech indicators as u wish on Ensign? (02:33 PM) 4nq: short nq here (02:33 PM) John FF: critical res broken. look to 45, 55-58, then gap at 65 (02:33 PM) Ensign Software: yes, as many overlays, studies, and draw tools as you want. (02:34 PM) ppusa: i'm having to much fun bashing ensign to think about trading (02:34 PM) Daniel X: out +2 damn (02:34 PM) ppusa: sorry howard (02:34 PM) Ensign Software: ok, I will leave so you can think about trading. sorry for the interruption. (02:34 PM) John FF: Ensign Software, Can I use indicators in ensign that I now use in SuperCharts? (02:35 PM) ppusa: it is a good program with a few minor problems (02:35 PM) 4nq: so is my life,pp (02:35 PM) Dirk-X: out +2, Hot Damn (02:35 PM) ppusa: 4nq i sold a mini (02:35 PM) Daniel X: LOL me too (02:36 PM) Daniel X: now it's gonna move lol (02:36 PM) 4nq: 36 for half (02:37 PM) John FF: anyone not in go long and risk 34.50 stop (02:37 PM) John FF: imho (02:38 PM) 4nq: added (02:39 PM) ppusa: a short (02:39 PM) ppusa: " (02:39 PM) ppusa: ? (02:39 PM) Dirk-X: 2:21-2:40 play looks like a winner today (02:39 PM) Dirk-X: yesterday...+1 (02:40 PM) John FF: big res here bring stops up tight (02:40 PM) dave_b_quick: John, what OS do you run SuperCharts on? (02:40 PM) Dirk-X: dy before that -5.5 (02:40 PM) Dirk-X: yes agre, John..should be R right here (02:41 PM) Dirk-X: will tell us how "real" this bounce is (02:41 PM) John FF: Win 95 (02:41 PM) ppusa: is there some reason for the 220 to 240 or did you just run a test of that period? (02:41 PM) Daniel X: long story (02:41 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, just wondering because after i moved on from win95 i never got SuperCharts to work after that. (02:42 PM) dave_b_quick: what indicators do you use on SC? (02:42 PM) John FF: Looking to upgrade soon to 2000 and maybe prosuite (02:42 PM) Dirk-X: international markets closing...basically...I think (02:43 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm happy with win2k and Ensign fwiw (02:43 PM) John FF: dbq, bb, rsi, linear reg, time series and a couple home made ones. (02:43 PM) Daniel X: colsing of the Globex overnight session (02:43 PM) Daniel X: closing (02:43 PM) Daniel X: 2:30 (02:43 PM) John FF: use trendlines alot also (02:44 PM) John FF: for stops (02:44 PM) ppusa: i hope you all noticed how unreliable waiting for a longer term (50 point) P and F chart to reverse can be (02:44 PM) dave_b_quick: dono about time series, but the others are included in EW and you can run homemade ones if you rewrite them in the EW scripting language (02:44 PM) Daniel X: damn 4 min too soo (02:45 PM) johnl_6: hey everyone, just wanted to let you know I'm gonna have it uninstall paltalk--causing me lots of problems. It was an honor meeting you all. (02:45 PM) John FF: I'm out at 45 +10, up +15 for day. (02:45 PM) johnl_6: sweet john, wtg. (02:45 PM) cctraderx: what problems johnl (02:45 PM) dave_b_quick: sorry to hear that johnl, good luck (02:45 PM) John FF: had enough good night all! (02:45 PM) Dirk-X: Buffy, I have this as the poke bar for the day's trend on the 3min...FWIW (02:45 PM) 4nq: u got a 45 fill???? (02:45 PM) ppusa: same (02:46 PM) dave_b_quick: good night john (02:46 PM) cctraderx: nite johnff, have a nice weekend (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: not quite just tagged it (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: but that can be a dif in our data (02:46 PM) Dirk-X: bye, John (02:46 PM) 4nq: i have 44.50 as high for this move? Is this correct? (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: yes (02:47 PM) Orprepus: yes (02:47 PM) Dirk-X: I drew it across shoulder of lunch up move (02:47 PM) 4nq: ty (02:48 PM) ppusa: still short (02:48 PM) 4nq: yep (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: posted so you can compare (02:49 PM) Dirk-X: Posted mine too (02:49 PM) tamepiglet: It's not straddle spanking today, it is just spanking.... (02:50 PM) jimbo_320: come one where there the pop.. (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: dirk - I use demark on validity of what to use for pts in TL (02:50 PM) jimbo_320: come on wheres the pop .. i mean (02:50 PM) Buffy_04364: that is where our REI comes from too (02:51 PM) 4nq: 40.50 average and covering (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: basically he says for a high the more lows that preceed and follow it the more significant and the same in reverse for the lows (02:51 PM) ppusa: low of this hour (nq) is 1735. I think we will take it out (02:51 PM) Buffy_04364: hmmm did I say that so it made sense (02:52 PM) 4nq: kinda (02:52 PM) 4nq: lol (02:53 PM) 4nq: bonds lod (02:54 PM) jimbo_320: luckily they close soon and we can pop (02:55 PM) Buffy_04364: our charts are very close though dirk (02:57 PM) Dirk-X: short from 42 Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? Cure your banner blues NOW for $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then select Bannerless PalTalk to subscribe now! (02:58 PM) cheetah55: short es (02:59 PM) cheetah55: gone for a couple hours...missed some decent action but I see the es range is staying narrow (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: welc back cheetah (03:01 PM) 4nq: i have the patience of a shrew on crack! (03:01 PM) cctraderx: lol (03:02 PM) ppusa: someone is buying 100 nq at 38.5. (03:02 PM) 4nq: arbs (03:02 PM) ppusa: i watch that guy (03:02 PM) ppusa: i have seen him get stuffed (03:02 PM) ppusa: and i have seen him clean up (03:03 PM) 4nq: sure but u don't know if he got ND off (03:03 PM) 4nq: or qqq (03:03 PM) ppusa: i say he gets stuffed today (03:03 PM) Daniel X: damn stopped+.5 (03:03 PM) jimbo_320: zzzzz (03:03 PM) ppusa: this is rough right here (03:04 PM) 4nq: big % of NQ trade is "locals" ringing the pit and arbing (03:04 PM) Daniel X: take every 2 damn points u can get ..sheesh! (03:04 PM) ppusa: i thought it was pitless (03:05 PM) ppusa: here we go (03:05 PM) 4nq: the r all over the CME floor with puters (03:05 PM) 4nq: and arb the pit orders in ND (03:06 PM) ppusa: well i got tired of waiting for 35 and settled for 37.5 (03:07 PM) Orprepus: volume is in NQ not ND's (03:07 PM) jimbo_320: looks like my pop is off (03:07 PM) Orprepus: to many tf frames with db for this not to go lower (03:08 PM) 4nq: so, Op?? (03:08 PM) ppusa: i agree but i am chicken (03:08 PM) ppusa: there is my 35 (03:09 PM) ppusa: i mean somebody elses (03:09 PM) 4nq: i scratched my shorts at 40.50. ugh! (03:09 PM) ppusa: use hour charts (03:09 PM) Orprepus: still holding short from 1768 this morning (03:10 PM) cctraderx: wow (03:10 PM) ppusa: you are my daddy (03:10 PM) 4nq: nice (03:10 PM) Buffy_04364: very nice O (03:10 PM) cheetah55: out of es short +1.75 (03:10 PM) 4nq: GE lod (03:10 PM) ppusa: now cover it (03:10 PM) ppusa: kidding (03:10 PM) ppusa: i am done for today (03:10 PM) Orprepus: I do well with longer tf charts - (03:11 PM) dave_b_quick: you da man, orp, which TF did you get in off of? (03:11 PM) cctraderx: what tf? (03:11 PM) Orprepus: I think we wil break lod still (03:12 PM) ppusa: so do i but i don't now have a good cost basis so you are on your own (03:13 PM) ppusa: i will look for another bounce (03:13 PM) Orprepus: use 50 and 180 (03:13 PM) cctraderx: y (03:14 PM) dave_b_quick: i don't hear ruffrider (03:14 PM) cctraderx: ruffrider, dont hear you (03:14 PM) Orprepus: mic is still on (03:15 PM) cctraderx: heard u (03:15 PM) cctraderx: orp - tick chart? (03:15 PM) ppusa: y (03:15 PM) Orprepus: minutes (03:16 PM) cctraderx: ok (03:16 PM) 4nq: long nq (03:16 PM) Orprepus: this 233 tick and PP chart is quite imprssive (03:17 PM) GGriz: first audio I have heard since time check. can this be done privately too, one on one? (03:17 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, you can chat privately, but if you use audio it kicks you out of the room (03:18 PM) 4nq: exiting half@37 (03:19 PM) GGriz: Dave, that is my question: can 2 people use this privately without being in a group setting? Like an audio AOL IM? (03:20 PM) Trendvue_David: no (03:21 PM) Trendvue_David: It hasnt worked for me - need to set up a private room (03:21 PM) Daniel X: use the telephone icon on the bottom (03:21 PM) dave_b_quick: griz, you can call someone privately on paltalk using the audio and/or text, but not while you're in a room (03:21 PM) cheetah55: short es again (03:21 PM) GGriz: tnx (03:22 PM) jimbo_320: big triangle on the es 3 minute with 1220 the bottom, can we crack it ? (03:22 PM) 4nq: exited longs (03:23 PM) stu_116: any gann traders out there (03:23 PM) ppusa: cheetah, do you do anything else besides short the es? (03:23 PM) cheetah55: out +.50 (03:23 PM) cheetah55: go long the es (03:23 PM) Daniel X: and now begins rthe chop (03:23 PM) ppusa: animal acts? (03:24 PM) 4nq: sht! (03:24 PM) ppusa: 4nq i was waiting for that (03:24 PM) Daniel X: what the? (03:25 PM) tamepiglet: chop chop those animals. (03:25 PM) Daniel X: stop cleansing (03:25 PM) ppusa: we are still in and up trend and they are not goiing to give up easily (03:25 PM) 4nq: u still waiting? (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: has anyone else noticed those inside bars on 3M like to go one way and quickly reverse (03:25 PM) ppusa: i'm done (03:26 PM) ppusa: don't like the last hour (03:26 PM) GGriz: another heads up on time: 14:28 CT has been inflection point this week (03:27 PM) 4nq: i'm outta here.................good luck to all of you (03:27 PM) tamepiglet: You have to know when to pet your animal. lol Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:28 PM) Orprepus: done for the day 34pts/contract - got to run an errand - bye (03:28 PM) tamepiglet: At least after going to sleep we finally have some action. (03:34 PM) GGriz: Is someone willing to try call fundtion after close? (03:35 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, orp, you'll have to go over the details of that trade for us tomorrow (03:36 PM) tamepiglet: not down again? (03:38 PM) jimbo_320: well theres my pop, after all (03:42 PM) Daniel X: well 9 winners 1 looser....+15 on the day i've had it ..see you all tommorrow. Bye (03:43 PM) ppusa: i just went short saying goodbye (03:44 PM) ppusa: made 40 bucks by accident (03:44 PM) jimbo_320: only loser was my last short of the day, 1220 survives (03:46 PM) jimbo_320: still my punt on emlx into the close made 0.8, cant grumble (03:48 PM) ppusa: who said somoething about overhead resistence at 58 and bashed my dreams of 60? (03:54 PM) qatwo: yes it's 60 but did u sell it? (03:55 PM) ppusa: y (03:56 PM) cctraderx: U will get to dream about it (03:56 PM) ppusa: but i don't like it (03:56 PM) ppusa: i would rather wait until tomorrow (03:57 PM) ppusa: that's what i don't want to do (03:57 PM) ppusa: see what happens hee (03:57 PM) ppusa: here Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (03:58 PM) qatwo: at .76 ret may stall (03:58 PM) ppusa: the daily charts are still so strong i do not recommend shorts (03:58 PM) qatwo: employment report tomorrow (04:00 PM) jimbo_320: pp, i'm patient, the stronger the up charts the stronger down charts LOL (04:00 PM) cctraderx: lol (04:00 PM) dave_b_quick: good point, jim (04:01 PM) cctraderx: jimbo, cover your es 20 short? (04:01 PM) ppusa: that may prove very interestiing in the near future and i hope it comes to fruition. i do better buying oversold (04:01 PM) jimbo_320: yep lost a point, listeninng to you guys (04:02 PM) ppusa: intraday shorts are one thing. shorting this market is another (04:04 PM) jimbo_320: night all, happy trading (04:04 PM) qatwo: u2 (04:07 PM) GGriz: anyone willing to test phone function after close? (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: guess going down for maintenance (04:10 PM) Buffy_04364: oh well