Welcome Msg: Welcome index futures traders. Most of us follow methods taught at intelligentspeculator.com. We're here when "TRENDVUE TRADERS WKSHOP" is locked down for a paid session. You can post charts at www.DaCharts.com Spammers & hecklers get the boot. Indycator: morning, tom Dirk-X: Good Morning :- ) Dirk-X: So, looks like maybe a few high percentage scalps here and there, if anything, unless we can get out of this range karaca: slm karaca: alooooooooooo Indycator: dirk, pretty dull yesterday. Even the auto trade at 2:21 didn't work I believe Dirk-X: Right: -8 rs_5: hmmm, no sound again gunner-: traders at Avid looking for higher mkts.. Dirk-X: definitely in tug-o-war Indycator: morning gunner Dirk-X: If we can clear the range to the upside, could breakout on short covering for a nice pop Buffy_04364: rs-5 under file setup andvanced sound control I have all checked but second one but I use zonealarm - might want to check it out cheetah55: gm Buffy_04364: if you change it need to exit and come back in rs_5: thanks buffy. Yes, have 1, 3, 5,6 checked.......when I get back in I can hear, but sometimes discover that sound is off when I see text scrolling by with no sounds rs_5: that is....person in text is talking to a person I cannot hear rs_5: brb larrybf: DAVE-thanks for posting the daily transcripts leont_2: sound check Dirk-X: WOW...Geez, Dave...Just noticed that. Yes, Thanks! Dirk-X: Not to complain (I mean, you've definitely gone way beyond the call of duty here) ...but...I wonder if the transcripts could be time-stamped? dave_b_quick: my pleasure, larry Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (09:20 AM) dave_b_quick: OK, i turned the time stamp on (09:20 AM) Buffy_04364: you r the man Dave (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: your support is as good as Howard's!!!!!!!! (09:21 AM) Dirk-X: Yes, quite so. (09:21 AM) dave_b_quick: hahaha i'm just an amateur (09:21 AM) Buffy_04364: you had all the answers for Howard yesterday :-) (09:22 AM) dave_b_quick: i'm part nerd (09:22 AM) tomsurf: dave- lol (09:22 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (09:23 AM) dave_b_quick: that may be the best part too (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: That last one under why trade the futures---made me laugh as it is so true (09:23 AM) Buffy_04364: Don't have to get dressed if you don't want to (09:24 AM) dave_b_quick: i hated wearing a necktie when i was a sales slut (09:24 AM) Indycator: and now you are a futures slut? (09:24 AM) Buffy_04364: and I am a bluejeans sweatshirt girl and really didn't like wearing suits (09:25 AM) dave_b_quick: now i have an honest trading business (09:25 AM) Buffy_04364: that second top "got" me yesterday (09:26 AM) Dirk-X: Today's Pivot Points: 1702.8...1687.2...1666.8 (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: 2B failed so figured going up - which it did but then it crashed (09:26 AM) dave_b_quick: plenty of opportunities to get faked out yesterday (09:26 AM) gravestonedoggie: speaking of trading attire, yesterday naked trader made an appearance in the trendvue room (09:26 AM) Buffy_04364: 3rd day at least for that 1666.8 to show up (09:26 AM) tomsurf: couple of econ. numbers coming out this am 30mins. into the day so heads up (09:27 AM) dave_b_quick: put yr shorts on GSD (09:27 AM) Buffy_04364: lol (09:27 AM) Dirk-X: Too many important levels of S/R scattered throughout this messy range to list (09:28 AM) Buffy_04364: agree dirk (09:29 AM) Buffy_04364: just posted a pyra chart 4M (09:29 AM) gunner-: watched my am trade wither and die.. :( (09:29 AM) Dirk-X: but most important levels seem to be: 1703.5...1696...1692....1682-84....1672.5 (09:29 AM) dave_b_quick: :>( (09:30 AM) Buffy_04364: going to feed cats and get last cup of coffee (09:34 AM) drh_4: good morning all (09:34 AM) dave_b_quick: mornin (09:35 AM) drh_4: anyone figure out if we could make the font larger (09:36 AM) Buffy_04364: haven't found anything on it drh (09:36 AM) dave_b_quick: me neither (09:39 AM) Dirk-X: Immediately, inner range between 1695 and 1682 (09:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: for anyone who cares, there is an economic number at 10, and sometimes chop surrounds those numbers (09:48 AM) Dirk-X: Obviously, 1676 should've been on the list of most important levels...an oversight Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (09:51 AM) cctraderx: dirk - why was 76 imprt? (09:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: has acted as S or R numberous times in the range (09:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: was support several times yest (09:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: more or less (09:53 AM) gravestonedoggie: that price (09:53 AM) cctraderx: t y (09:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: seems like thin trading in advance of 10 am number... cash market shows pretty decent positive tone, though (09:59 AM) John FF: what time frame u use when looking at cash? (09:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: dow had broken out on upside of its triangle on 45m chart (09:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: i am looking at market internals, breadth, etc, rather than at theindices (10:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: dow has (10:00 AM) Dirk-X: Yes, CC...What GSD said. (10:00 AM) gravestonedoggie: here is 10 am eco data (10:00 AM) John FF: news must be bad (10:00 AM) cctraderx: t y dirk (10:01 AM) Buffy_04364: what a nutty market (10:02 AM) gravestonedoggie: not unuusal to see holding off and then a blip on the news (10:02 AM) Buffy_04364: July Consumer Confidence, which was released 30 minutes early, came in at 116.5 vs consensus of 118.5. (10:02 AM) gravestonedoggie: like a mini version of fomc event (10:06 AM) gravestonedoggie: now let's get on with it (10:10 AM) gravestonedoggie: much like an fomc thing, initial reaction was fakeout (10:10 AM) cctraderx: that stalled at the 1675 resistance area (10:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: es at highs of last few days (10:11 AM) gravestonedoggie: test of (10:11 AM) tomsurf: ticks pushing up nicely (10:15 AM) tomsurf: tick +900 (10:16 AM) gravestonedoggie: lot of big tick readings during this rally... does that mean strength, or buying power being quickly spent? (10:17 AM) tomsurf: ticks +1000 (10:17 AM) gravestonedoggie: geez (10:18 AM) tdee_2: strength gst (10:18 AM) cctraderx: looks like they are getting on with it (10:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: 1160 ticks.. extremely higjh reading (10:18 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (10:19 AM) tomsurf: gsd, 900 to over 1000 is a program buy so we know that buying is strong. However a =1000 reading lately can be a climax short term only. (10:19 AM) gravestonedoggie: dow trinagle breakout was worth paying attention to (10:19 AM) tdee_2: yeah, shorterm could be o/b, considering we only had 10.3 range yesterday, not o/b longterm (10:20 AM) gravestonedoggie: had range contraction into today, so strong move possible Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (10:20 AM) tdee_2: breakout on those ticks is impressive (10:21 AM) tomsurf: need to shot myself for not trailing stop...really shorted myself w/that error (10:22 AM) gravestonedoggie: i think the high tick readings can play either way, as tom ssuggests (10:23 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq not taken out dirk's R at 1703, and has not confirmed sp breakout (10:23 AM) gravestonedoggie: so far (10:24 AM) dave_b_quick: some globex problems reported, but still open (10:27 AM) gravestonedoggie: if nq failes under the recent r levles, sp not likely to get too much further (10:28 AM) tdee_2: nq's been the weak sister this morning (10:28 AM) tdee_2: dow keeps making highs (10:29 AM) ispecjh_1: x (10:29 AM) Marsh35: both have moved to far to fast, i'll wait for the market to settle down (10:29 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes, think fincials led... possible this ends the move up from 7/24 and more significnt retracement would then be next (10:30 AM) gravestonedoggie: couple of huge up bars on dow 45m (10:31 AM) Dirk-X: Seems noteworthy that the market bounced to new minor high in response to negative economic news (10:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: if nq kicks in... (10:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: yes dirk (10:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: reaction to news is what couns, not he news (10:31 AM) gravestonedoggie: counts (10:32 AM) tdee_2: u got that right gst (10:32 AM) gravestonedoggie: long 1925 (10:33 AM) gravestonedoggie: out 20 (10:35 AM) Dirk-X: Testing 1703...failed first attempt (10:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq stopped at r dirk pointed out around 1703 (10:35 AM) gravestonedoggie: oops (10:36 AM) Skurkie: hi guys is this a place where daytraders meet? (10:36 AM) tdee_2: i know the trend of the trin is more important then the actually number (10:36 AM) tdee_2: but i'm surprised its at .92 (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: es stopped at top of 7/23 opening hour candle (10:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: right tdee (10:36 AM) Marsh35: supposed to be Skurkie (10:36 AM) gunner-: tdee you got that right (10:37 AM) tdee_2: any read off that gunner? (10:37 AM) Skurkie: thanks I saw the welcome message and see thsi is for futures traders, i am a forex trader, so will scoot of for no , happy trades (10:38 AM) cheetah55: long es (10:38 AM) Marsh35: see ya (10:38 AM) gravestonedoggie: the 7/23 candle R was a one finger salute thing.. i'll bet T spots that point (10:39 AM) tdee_2: one finger salute, like that lol (10:40 AM) gravestonedoggie: will short if small timeframe charts develop a downtrend (10:40 AM) Dirk-X: Short 1693 (10:41 AM) cheetah55: out es -.75 (10:41 AM) gravestonedoggie: break of 17.50 to 18.00 would do it (10:41 AM) gravestonedoggie: i suppose (10:42 AM) KCS_111: anyone trading nas emini here? (10:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: mostly yes (10:42 AM) KCS_111: ok, thanks (10:42 AM) gravestonedoggie: ie most in here do (10:42 AM) Marsh35: have to see the dow drop 25 points to get it to break 18 (10:42 AM) Dirk-X: out b/e (10:43 AM) tomsurf: KCS- traders here on both ES and NQ (10:43 AM) cheetah55: long es again (10:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: ralston purine up a whopping dime.. hehe (10:45 AM) Marsh35: food for thought (10:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: nice cheetah (10:45 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (10:47 AM) larrybf: nice use of dow as a signal! (10:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: nother test of the R (10:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: on nq (10:48 AM) Marsh35: total mkt. is up...dow and nasdaq tell it all (10:49 AM) gravestonedoggie: and test of that 7/23 es candle (10:49 AM) KCS_111: anyone having trouble with pc quote today? (10:49 AM) KCS_111: long 1700 Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today! (10:51 AM) dave_b_quick: might be related to the globex problems this morning, kcs (10:51 AM) Dirk-X: LOng 97.5 (10:51 AM) Limit1x: PC Quote is ok here (10:51 AM) gravestonedoggie: hard to believe wont get thru after several knocks on the door (10:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: whoa.. must been stops (10:52 AM) tomsurf: spikey (10:52 AM) tdee_2: wow (10:52 AM) tdee_2: nice nq spike (10:53 AM) Dirk-X: Well, that was nice (10:54 AM) gravestonedoggie: trin been falling now.. .79 (10:55 AM) tdee_2: yeah gst, thats more like it (10:55 AM) Marsh35: very bullish (10:55 AM) gravestonedoggie: think more aggressive easing is the spin on this (10:55 AM) tomsurf: ticks +900 again (10:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: do still blasting away (10:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: dow (10:57 AM) Marsh35: may run out of steam here and go sideways for a while (10:57 AM) gravestonedoggie: the es candle and nq 1703 all taken out (10:58 AM) gravestonedoggie: adx on 5 min es 40 (10:58 AM) gravestonedoggie: in directional trading mode, by T method (10:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: es has been since 1215 or os (11:02 AM) Marsh35: little pullback here (11:07 AM) Dirk-X: Testing topline of huge falling wedge...the one that T-Lo has been posting (11:07 AM) mike_bruns: well, a nq buy stop, not stop limit at 02.50 was filled at 18 (11:07 AM) mike_bruns: You all know the lesson. (11:08 AM) mike_bruns: at least I wasn't short lol (11:08 AM) larrybf: which broker mike? (11:08 AM) mike_bruns: back to StpLmt orders for entry (11:09 AM) mike_bruns: PMB (11:09 AM) dave_b_quick: WOW (11:09 AM) mike_bruns: trial acct. Now going to be history. (11:09 AM) Dirk-X: Chart posted (11:09 AM) mike_bruns: They do not offer StpLmt in their selection. (11:10 AM) larrybf: Mike- interactive execution excellent. (11:10 AM) mike_bruns: IB has a terrible time canceling orders. (11:10 AM) mike_bruns: I am looking to replace them. (11:11 AM) dave_b_quick: i wonder why so many brokers don't offer STP/LMT (11:11 AM) mike_bruns: AHve to rewrite what they offer. (11:12 AM) mike_bruns: and some commodity futures contracts don't accept them in the pits. (11:12 AM) gravestonedoggie: what is address of dave's site again? (11:12 AM) mike_bruns: So was not a big issue before electric trading. (11:12 AM) cctraderx: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (11:13 AM) Marsh35: add. did not work? (11:14 AM) tomsurf: Up vol. ES 2to1 NQ almost 4to1 (11:14 AM) tdee_2: mike, i use prop trader w./ infinity brokerage, they offer stop limits (11:15 AM) gravestonedoggie: thnx (11:16 AM) cheetah55: I noticed JR Steggy, the broker, was here and just left. He and Kingfish are together on that pay site. (11:17 AM) cheetah55: anyone familiar with steggy? (11:17 AM) larrybf: pair of crooks (11:17 AM) Marsh35: how is that? (11:17 AM) tomsurf: mike- can't select stop limit with stop price and then stop limit price on IB? Looks like it is set up that way. (11:17 AM) cheetah55: larry, what do u know about them? (11:17 AM) gravestonedoggie: adx 48 on 5 min es (11:18 AM) cheetah55: out of es long. +5.0 (11:18 AM) Indycator: nice cheetah (11:18 AM) cctraderx: nice cheetah (11:19 AM) gravestonedoggie: nice cheetah (11:19 AM) gravestonedoggie: mike, who do use for commodities? (11:19 AM) larrybf: they refuse ta any ANY questions at all?if tey are myour friends i am sorry but kingfish is too arrogant (11:20 AM) larrybf: i can"t type. sorry (11:20 AM) cheetah55: tx. figure it still has further to go with this choppy action up, but take the ez money. Can always get back in. Paltalk: You DO have a choice! Buy bannerless to end your popup blues today! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. Only $9.95 a year! That's less than THREE CENTS per day! WOW!!! (11:20 AM) dave_b_quick: Tom, in IB you used to be able to STP/LMT from the order line, now you can only do the STP part and then have to open the order ticket to enter the LMT part (11:20 AM) larrybf: eveything with kingfish is a secret. Pure BS! (11:21 AM) cheetah55: larry, yes I agree. (11:21 AM) John FF: looks like nq headed to 53 (11:21 AM) Marsh35: kingfish only uses price action...can't answer any questions because he does not no the answers (11:21 AM) gravestonedoggie: sox has a 10 month h&s bottom pattern on it, which is very hard to place any faith in (11:21 AM) gravestonedoggie: (often the best kind) (11:21 AM) Buffy_04364: I see you guys had fun will I was visiting with company (11:22 AM) cheetah55: next time he or steggy come in here, my finger will be on the "eject" button (11:22 AM) Marsh35: hey maybe they want to learn something (11:23 AM) Daniel X: Pivot point Res 2@1729 (11:27 AM) boomer_95: gravestone..how do u use adx? (11:27 AM) Daniel X: JohnFF fill me in on the significance of 53? (11:28 AM) cheetah55: dang, this room is getting popular...and it is free!! And will stay free!! Welcome to those new traders that just joined this room in the last week or so (11:28 AM) Daniel X: if u do not minf (11:28 AM) Daniel X: mind (11:28 AM) cheetah55: Don't be afraid to post trades, ideas, etc... (11:29 AM) tomsurf: dave- thanks for clearing up ;-) (11:29 AM) Daniel X: Cheetah the word must be getting around! (11:29 AM) dave_b_quick: free is still popular (11:30 AM) gravestonedoggie: 5 min adx 51 (11:31 AM) cheetah55: free exchange of ideas is popular also (11:31 AM) mike_bruns: free is good as long as people have reasonable expectations of those in the room. (11:31 AM) Buffy_04364: good point Mike (11:32 AM) Daniel X: OK to all new traders what's your preference?We got them all Point &Figure,3 Line Break,Pyra point and Pivot Points (11:32 AM) dave_b_quick: drh, there are some adjustments you can make to the audio on the main paltalk screen under file/setup/advanced (11:32 AM) drh_4: ok...i'll tell him (11:32 AM) Daniel X: I think that's all (11:33 AM) Buffy_04364: daniel - giggle yep we do (11:33 AM) cheetah55: daniel, price action ! (11:33 AM) dave_b_quick: I hope we can keep the room focused with so many people, any suggestions? (11:33 AM) John FF: Sorry DanielX just got back. 52 previous hi on 7/19 before recent downturn. I figure we just break it. (11:33 AM) Daniel X: Thnx John (11:33 AM) cheetah55: dave, let's make it a pay room !! LOL (just kidding) (11:33 AM) Limit1x: don't forget fibb and ema's. lol (11:34 AM) Daniel X: FIBs i forgot1 (11:34 AM) cheetah55: limit, oh yeah...those are great tools (11:34 AM) tomsurf: dave- as long as we stay on the charts all should be fine. (11:34 AM) gravestonedoggie: dave, why not keep the focus on waht has worked so far... if it aint broke, dont fix it.. i think people came because good traders posted here, and there was little background noise... so keep focused on that (11:35 AM) dave_b_quick: agreed. If anybody get's too far out we'll just remind 'em (11:35 AM) cheetah55: thee is so much support belows this ES current price....gonna take some real doing to knock it down much....it ain't gonna happen today. (11:35 AM) boomer_95: my favorite word is free..lol (11:36 AM) ispec_cj: good morning.. (11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: hi (11:36 AM) gravestonedoggie: nq poked above wedge upper trndline, now testing back to it, more or less (11:36 AM) Daniel X: my suggestion is we call trade signals and trades if you want to reveal your position.That way we can check and compare against our own preffered Method...watch my back i'll watch yours. (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: just let if llow, no rules before, dont need em now (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: flow (11:37 AM) gravestonedoggie: (see dirk's chart) (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: starting out with a limited educational budget i was very glad to be able to participate with Teresa Lo and Mike Bruns for free, and made me more willing to do their paid sessions, which really got me going. (11:38 AM) ispec_cj: dave, I like the disclaimer section! :) (11:38 AM) dave_b_quick: that was yr idea, wasn't it? (11:39 AM) ispec_cj: yes! LOL (11:39 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks Paltalk: We are doing some general meintenance and some groups will close. If your group closes just wait one minute and reopen it. Thanks! (11:41 AM) Buffy_04364: same here Dave regarding Mike and T (11:42 AM) cctraderx: you'd think they could spell maintenance (11:42 AM) Daniel X: Ditto (11:42 AM) dave_b_quick: hard to find good help (11:43 AM) Marsh35: looks like a double top on a 10 chart....maybe a pullback here? (11:43 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:43 AM) cheetah55: they are doing maintenance on the spell checker (11:44 AM) Daniel X: lol must be (11:44 AM) cctraderx: LOL (11:44 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i was wondering if that was a 2B top on NQ 5m, but it didn't have the followthrough that a 2B otta have (11:45 AM) cheetah55: sideways action more likely now (11:45 AM) Daniel X: could have been because PP res2@1729 (11:45 AM) Marsh35: yes for the last 15 min. cheetah (11:46 AM) Marsh35: pullback time...and also getting close the 12:00 hop (11:47 AM) tdee_2: cya people, trade well everyone (11:48 AM) gravestonedoggie: bye tdee (11:48 AM) dave_b_quick: thanks, tdee (11:48 AM) Marsh35: Hasta (11:49 AM) Daniel X: Marsh as in from OJ's room? (11:49 AM) Marsh35: no just looking in for the first time (11:50 AM) John FF: 1707 50% retracement (11:50 AM) Daniel X: so a different Marsh then? Paltalk: To visit our sponsors, click on banners! (11:50 AM) dave_b_quick: i noticed OJ has 135 people today. Must serve hors'd'euvres or something (11:50 AM) Marsh35: yep (11:50 AM) Daniel X: oh ok (11:50 AM) Marsh35: day traders there? (11:50 AM) Dirk-X: Wedge topline translated onto 15min chart posted...recent minor low perfectly on top (11:51 AM) dave_b_quick: anybody know what OJ does? (11:51 AM) mike_bruns: stocks (11:51 AM) Daniel X: yes mostly stocks though (11:51 AM) John FF: plays golf (11:51 AM) cctraderx: stocks (11:51 AM) Dirk-X: Short from 1716 (11:52 AM) Dirk-X: out b/e (11:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (11:52 AM) gravestonedoggie: nice chart dirk (11:52 AM) Daniel X: triple bottom break @1715 area on PnF (11:53 AM) mike_bruns: futures traders are stuck in closets and corners. (11:53 AM) mike_bruns: Stock people get the attention. (11:53 AM) Daniel X: true (11:53 AM) mike_bruns: There are many more of them than us. (11:53 AM) mike_bruns: Supply and demand. (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: yes and after having been there done that I have no clue why :-) (11:54 AM) Daniel X: exactly (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: You have a life when you daytrade futures instead of stocks (11:54 AM) dave_b_quick: futures traders have a reputation for being either hicks or psychopaths (11:54 AM) Buffy_04364: gee which one am I Hmmmmmmmmmmm (11:54 AM) Daniel X: I find that people seem terified of FUTURES (11:55 AM) cctraderx: b/c its easy for everyone to talk about a stock and few understands what is a futures (11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: that is true daniel (11:55 AM) Buffy_04364: another good point cc (11:55 AM) cctraderx: you can see a company (11:55 AM) Daniel X: and here u see 100 (11:56 AM) mike_bruns: wait until you see 40K bushels waiting to be delivered. (11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: LOL (11:56 AM) cctraderx: lol mike (11:56 AM) gravestonedoggie: main thing is the widespread riches stories still previal in stocks... memory of riches (11:56 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i don't tell people i trade futures, and i don't tell 'em i'm a daytrader, i just say, "I'm an index trader" (11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: lots of spinning tops and doji on 60T (11:56 AM) ispec_cj: I was looking at my last year's 1099 from last year, I almost did $200M worth of stock trading last year!! LOL (11:56 AM) mike_bruns: I tell them I buy and sell things over the internet. (11:56 AM) gunner-: lot of eating in a lot delivery of pork bellies,,, (11:56 AM) Buffy_04364: I like that one Mike (11:57 AM) Daniel X: lol MIKELOL (11:57 AM) Buffy_04364: sounds the best (11:57 AM) Buffy_04364: :-) (11:57 AM) mike_bruns: Takes a mighty big freexer gunner LOL (11:57 AM) cctraderx: lol gunner (11:57 AM) mike_bruns: freezer (11:58 AM) cheetah55: Aren't the cbot and cme going to start trading futures on some individual stocks? Supposed to be in the Fall 2001, I think. (11:58 AM) Daniel X: yes (11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: dec is what I heard (11:58 AM) dave_b_quick: ya, i hate to imagine what the volume's gonna be on those (11:58 AM) Buffy_04364: that should really change things for the stock trader with reduction in volitility (11:59 AM) cheetah55: Seems like when some of these stock players will stay with furtures after they get a taste of the leverage and no uptick rules for shorting ! LOL (11:59 AM) Marsh35: they will just go broke quicker (11:59 AM) cheetah55: true (11:59 AM) gravestonedoggie: hardly enough volume in the stocks... what will the futres be like? (11:59 AM) Daniel X: i imagine they going that route because the margins for daytraders was raised to $25000 (12:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: there are some fine index futres contracts, that you cannot trade for lakc of volume (12:00 PM) cheetah55: What stocks will they be? (12:00 PM) Daniel X: what horrible grammer (12:00 PM) Indycator: daniel LOL (12:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: 'cant see it woking in stock futures... ide made sense in the wolrd of old cisco, intc etc, maybe... not any longer (12:00 PM) dave_b_quick: grammer and spellnig don't count in chat (12:00 PM) Daniel X: ok then DAVE (12:01 PM) Daniel X: i'll stop correcting (12:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: the conception of the idea was a bull market top phenomenon (12:02 PM) Marsh35: will short here if it breaks 1222 (12:02 PM) Daniel X: PnF break of 1711 will short (12:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: stock futres long preceeded increased stock markgin .. this been in the works for many mnay months (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (12:04 PM) Buffy_04364: yep we do (12:05 PM) Buffy_04364: so we can do just what Mike did - leave machine and then come back and read it (12:05 PM) Dirk-X: back inside wedge, but retesting from underneath.. (12:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: voice is disruptive.. type you can look at when you have free time - it does not interrupt (12:06 PM) Indycator: :) (12:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: voice disruptive if concentrating (12:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: this room has been type only predominantly (12:06 PM) mike_bruns: turn the volume down (12:06 PM) mike_bruns: That's what I do when in the tradde. (12:06 PM) mike_bruns: Or entering one. (12:06 PM) mike_bruns: ANd when I get PM's, I click "No." (12:07 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle (12:07 PM) mike_bruns: So don't mean to offend anyone but there are times when I do not respond. Except on Thursdays. (12:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: dont worry, we dont respond either (12:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:08 PM) mike_bruns: LOL (12:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: (cuz we sleeping) (12:08 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, i take a lotta breaks too (12:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: see iwaht any try back up looks like here (12:09 PM) Buffy_04364: poked throught TL (12:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: pullback still found support around the broken nq downtrend line, as shown on dirk's chart (12:10 PM) Dirk-X: Long from 14 (12:11 PM) Buffy_04364: gee I got filled at 15 (12:11 PM) Buffy_04364: 15.50 in fact (12:11 PM) Marsh35: here comes the 12:00 hop? (12:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: 297/8 offer vs bid on es (12:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: at 2475 (12:13 PM) Buffy_04364: hate it when charts look like data stopped (12:14 PM) Marsh35: keep two charts up and see if the are the same (12:14 PM) mike_bruns: vol almost nonexistent. (12:14 PM) Buffy_04364: when a tick chart does that you are so right Mike (12:15 PM) Dirk-X: SL=1712 (12:16 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M (12:16 PM) gunner-: long 24.. noonies gonna buy? (12:17 PM) timing_1: hey gunner how r u (12:17 PM) Marsh35: gunner what is your target? (12:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: noonies.. religious cult, no? (12:18 PM) gunner-: Marsh 5000 LOL (12:18 PM) Indycator: noonies, moonies, loonies (12:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (12:19 PM) Marsh35: i'm just looking for 2 and if I get more ... I can live with it (12:19 PM) gunner-: Marsh.. I trade my chart.... never have a target (12:19 PM) Buffy_04364: sl = 15.50 (12:19 PM) Marsh35: oh (12:20 PM) Marsh35: looks like res. at 1225.25 Paltalk: Subscribe to bannerless to stop the popups today! Get it NOW for less than THREE CENTS a day! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (12:20 PM) gunner-: Marsh altho I usually put in an auto10 profit stop..if it's running.. (12:20 PM) Buffy_04364: 18.50 (12:20 PM) Marsh35: not much mom to get over res (12:21 PM) Marsh35: gunner .,.. sounds like a plan to me (12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: 20.50 (12:22 PM) timing_1: gunner i got an auto +8 today (12:22 PM) Buffy_04364: 21.50 (12:23 PM) Buffy_04364: 23.00 (12:23 PM) Marsh35: got my 2 will back out of two and hold one and see what happens (12:24 PM) Buffy_04364: out at 25 (12:24 PM) Dirk-X: out at 24.5 (12:24 PM) cctraderx: nice (12:25 PM) Buffy_04364: tks dirk we must be on same wave length again today (12:25 PM) Dirk-X: look for support at 1720 (12:27 PM) Dirk-X: hope so Buffy (12:27 PM) Dirk-X: always my best days when that is the case (12:28 PM) Dirk-X: Could see a 2b here....textbook set-up...will post (12:28 PM) Buffy_04364: me too dirk :-) (12:29 PM) gunner-: you two in the wrong kind of room LOL (12:29 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL dirk I didn't see you were posting it and posted it also - yep we are thinking alike LOL (12:29 PM) Dirk-X: Posted (12:30 PM) Dirk-X: LOL Buffy (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: I did the 5 M (12:30 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, dirk, i'm watching that 2B potential on 9m (12:30 PM) Buffy_04364: 3-5-9M all represented :-) yep we have them all (12:31 PM) Buffy_04364: we ought to see what day it is we are usually together Dirk (12:32 PM) Dirk-X: Thinking too much thrust upwards for reversal here...thinking continues up..just MHO (12:32 PM) Dirk-X: Yes, Buffy (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't remember what day last time (12:32 PM) Dirk-X: we need to make a note (12:32 PM) gravestonedoggie: molasses (12:32 PM) Buffy_04364: the pyra chart shows it testing now that I posted (12:33 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (12:33 PM) gravestonedoggie: macd 3 spt div on 5 min es (12:34 PM) gravestonedoggie: 2 spot on nq (12:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: throw a doji in there too (12:35 PM) gravestonedoggie: and inside bar (12:36 PM) Dirk-X: Here goes test of 1720 as support for continuation up (12:38 PM) Daniel X: holding BSL (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: came back to find sell stop filled at 1725 (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: s=1722.50 and just filled (12:39 PM) Daniel X: lol (12:39 PM) Buffy_04364: have to get a phone put in this room that is all there is to it (12:40 PM) Daniel X: guess so (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra hasn't closed outside of channel yet (12:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: or a chordless? (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: the battery isn't charging like it should (12:40 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't work when I picked it up (12:40 PM) Daniel X: Buffy up channel right? (12:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: oh (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: yes up channel (12:41 PM) Daniel X: thnx (12:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I have rotten luck with cordless and this last one is the 1gig not cheap (12:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: possible stelath bear flag (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: I think it might be (12:42 PM) Buffy_04364: short at 19.50 (12:42 PM) Daniel X: still holding the bullish support line if 19 doesn't break too far (12:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: pretty murky action (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: took out tl on 60T (12:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: bird jsut crashed into window pane (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: and one of Mike's shelves on the 3M (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: oh hope it is ok (12:43 PM) Buffy_04364: what kind? (12:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: guess cleaned it too well (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: s=21.50 (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: When they do it here I have gone out and held them until they came to and then let them go. Just didn't want the stray cat to get them first (12:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: cant spot it.. not sure which pane it hit (12:44 PM) Buffy_04364: out -2 (12:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: think it must hae been ok and flew off (12:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: market jsut gone so dea here (12:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: dead (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: that is good to hear (12:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: most sane people eating lunch i guess (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: long at 22.50 (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: if it doesn't do what it is suppose to it usually goes the other way (12:46 PM) Buffy_04364: we will see (12:47 PM) Buffy_04364: acts like a spring sometimes and risk is 3 pts (12:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, very true (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: almost got my stop (12:50 PM) Daniel X: buyers keep stepping in @ 19 Paltalk: Please visit our advertisers by clicking on banners. (12:50 PM) Buffy_04364: that is right where my stop is daniel (12:50 PM) Daniel X: which is also the bullish support line (12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: lots of good info tks (12:51 PM) Daniel X: wlcm (12:51 PM) Buffy_04364: out (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: no watch it go (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: :-( (12:52 PM) Buffy_04364: no=now (12:53 PM) Daniel X: PnF confirmation of 1 min lower tops on that last move up (12:53 PM) Daniel X: lets see if they step up to the plate this time (12:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: was stealth bear flag on es (12:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: er, maybe (12:54 PM) Daniel X: GSD it's so hard with this vol...no follow through (12:55 PM) Daniel X: i hate it (12:55 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto (12:58 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes... look at the chart hard enough and you begin to hallucinate (12:59 PM) Marsh35: something moves the mkt at 1:00 up...down? (12:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: ? (12:59 PM) Daniel X: 3 times now buyers came in there @19 if it doesn't start to move they'll run out of patience. (01:00 PM) gravestonedoggie: or out of money (01:00 PM) Daniel X: lol...true (01:00 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (01:01 PM) Dirk-X: Short (01:01 PM) Daniel X: told ya (01:01 PM) cctraderx: looks like patience and money (01:01 PM) Daniel X: finito (01:01 PM) Buffy_04364: lol (01:02 PM) Marsh35: short es if breaks 1222.00 (01:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: here we go (01:02 PM) cctraderx: got note on trendvue going live (01:02 PM) Daniel X: in this low vol they can" spike" it the other way (01:02 PM) gravestonedoggie: slowest 2b you will ever want to see (01:04 PM) Dirk-X: out (01:05 PM) Daniel X: back in 5 min (01:08 PM) Buffy_04364: gee cc I got 3 of them :-) (01:08 PM) cctraderx: you are important Buffy!! (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL don't think so (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle (01:09 PM) Buffy_04364: so who told everyone about your room dave? (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: we have lots of newbies and some of the familiar ones here today (01:10 PM) dave_b_quick: i haven't told anybody... (01:10 PM) dave_b_quick: good group tho (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: can't say the same when asked I tell :-) (01:10 PM) Buffy_04364: it is nice (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: more to contribute to watching eachothers back when they are ready to (01:11 PM) Buffy_04364: yep they are (01:11 PM) cctraderx: almost 30 here earlier (01:12 PM) dave_b_quick: yes, I'm glad to be in a group with so many professional traders (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: gee who are the professionals? (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: not me (01:12 PM) Buffy_04364: must be you Dave (01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: and cheetah and dirk and GSD etc :-) (01:13 PM) Daniel X: aspiring to be and living off profits is Pro (01:13 PM) Buffy_04364: oh............. (01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: triangle on 60T (01:14 PM) gravestonedoggie: nobody is paying me (01:14 PM) Daniel X: don't have to trade for a firm $$$$$$$$$ to be a pro.Buffy (01:14 PM) cheetah55: long es (01:14 PM) Buffy_04364: just snagged it (01:14 PM) Marsh35: what do you see cheetah (01:15 PM) dave_b_quick: i call anybody who makes a living at trading a pro, fund manager is something else (01:15 PM) Buffy_04364: ok ok ok guys :-) (01:15 PM) Daniel X: You're a Pro when others can come to you time and time again and you've given them a sense of reasurance. (01:15 PM) cctraderx: got quite a few from old coffee shop, make that original (01:16 PM) Daniel X: That's you BUFFY (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (01:16 PM) Buffy_04364: I try to help (01:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq gap on 1 min chart (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: ok just poked down through that triangle and turned right around (01:17 PM) cheetah55: marsh, after I am out (01:17 PM) cctraderx: 19 is hanging tough on nq (01:17 PM) Marsh35: ok (01:17 PM) timing_1: buffy is 04364 a fibb number lol (01:17 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:17 PM) Buffy_04364: we will see 3M triangle is still holding (01:17 PM) Daniel X: lol (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: your kidding timing! (01:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: gap gets illed... gap in this trading means thin (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: how interesting (01:18 PM) cheetah55: which might be soon if it doesn't giddy-up (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: just my zip code (01:18 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (01:18 PM) timing_1: lol (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for telling me that (01:18 PM) Marsh35: scalping cheetah? (01:18 PM) Buffy_04364: really getting down to the apex on 3M (01:18 PM) Daniel X: PnF 1 min still showing lower tops...11 now (01:19 PM) Buffy_04364: and the bottom is pretty straight right daniel (01:19 PM) Daniel X: PnF 5 Min has been in sell hold sell mode since 1725 (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra looks like rally coming but don't know it wwell enough to trade it Paltalk: Your friends are just a click away! Press the invite button NOW! (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: volume really dropped off (01:20 PM) Buffy_04364: can't go lower than the diagonal in the box (01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: poke on 3M (01:21 PM) cheetah55: marsh, not scalping (01:21 PM) Buffy_04364: waiting for it to be taken out (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: back inside triangle (01:22 PM) cheetah55: should be, though :-) (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: out again (01:22 PM) Daniel X: 5 min looks like lock limit (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: bs at 21 (01:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: i just looked up summertime in the dictionary....... and the last definition was a picture of this one minute chart (01:22 PM) Buffy_04364: filled (01:23 PM) Daniel X: he he (01:23 PM) Dirk-X: Long (01:23 PM) cctraderx: lol (01:23 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:23 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice entry (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: sl at 19 (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: tks (01:24 PM) Dirk-X: Same price Buffy (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL dirk (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: we should just find something else to do when we aren't together on this stuff (01:24 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:24 PM) Dirk-X: except my SL=17.5 (01:24 PM) Daniel X: let it take out 24 then i'll think about it (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: shouldn't go back inside of triangle is my thought (01:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: the most expensive summer vacation i ever spent was staying home and trading the futures in july (01:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: heh (01:25 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (01:25 PM) Buffy_04364: yep been there (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: except it was on paper and my skiing trip LOL (01:26 PM) John FF: needs to break 22 then retrace for the buy imo (01:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: just kidding (01:26 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (01:26 PM) Marsh35: me too gravest. nothing worked for me...got taken out every trade I made scalping only for 2 (01:26 PM) Buffy_04364: don't like that shooting star on 60T (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: this bar looks like it might be better (01:27 PM) Marsh35: july was worse month for me in 6 years (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M (01:27 PM) gravestonedoggie: july last year i remember as being pretty tough (01:27 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (01:27 PM) Marsh35: summer trades are choppy (01:28 PM) cctraderx: last day, now have to kick August (01:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: this last hour on es though is what i am talking about.. if you try to see things and trade them, you ahve to be pretty lucky not to get bit (01:29 PM) Marsh35: total mkt is up...all trades should be long...in my opinion (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: this is taking too long (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: out (01:29 PM) Dirk-X: me too (01:29 PM) gravestonedoggie: trin .77 (01:29 PM) Buffy_04364: -2 (01:29 PM) John FF: good move Buffy (01:30 PM) Dirk-X: -2.5 (01:30 PM) Marsh35: u still long cheetah? (01:30 PM) Buffy_04364: now if it can't go up when it should is it going to go down? (01:30 PM) John FF: I trade 144 tick and trend just moved to dn (01:31 PM) gunner-: I could use some momo here.. :) (01:31 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks john (01:31 PM) cheetah55: yes (01:31 PM) Marsh35: no mom (01:31 PM) cheetah55: If everyone else bails, gotta be a good thing to be long, eh? (01:31 PM) gravestonedoggie: it is always possible that it will jsut chop for a couple of hours (01:31 PM) Marsh35: it works sometimes (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra closed outside the up channel (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: true GSD (01:32 PM) Daniel X: Buffy did u just get the early close message from Best? (01:32 PM) Buffy_04364: if I did I didn't see it (01:32 PM) Daniel X: oh ok (01:32 PM) John FF: range to tight to trade here (01:33 PM) Buffy_04364: ten minutes early because last day of month right? (01:33 PM) Daniel X: right (01:34 PM) Daniel X: cannot end quick enuff! (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: ctel has been messing up email again today because davidis complaining about double emails again (01:34 PM) Buffy_04364: and I am having trouble sending replies (01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: the monitor should be ready for tomorrow :-) (01:35 PM) Buffy_04364: with any luck (01:36 PM) Daniel X: Buffy do you transact on the same comp as your charts? (01:36 PM) Buffy_04364: no I don't (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: but might after the monitor is in (01:37 PM) Daniel X: so 3 Monitors just for Charts..WOW (01:37 PM) Buffy_04364: well ensign takes up two and I miss watching the tick and trin so will do those with the more room for one thing (01:38 PM) Buffy_04364: I don't like little little charts :-) (01:39 PM) Marsh35: on quote.com...I see the dow the naz, tick, trin, Ny..do I need more? (01:39 PM) Dirk-X: Someday...minimum of 6 monitors :- D (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: meeting a time line in pyra (01:39 PM) cheetah55: marsh. from free site or qcharts? (01:39 PM) Dirk-X: Wish I had wall size Charts (01:39 PM) Buffy_04364: nope you don't (01:39 PM) Daniel X: I've tried it using 1 comp for 1 week now and let me tell you...never again...if my charting comp crashes so does Best..i'm blinded...going back to separate comps (01:39 PM) Marsh35: free (01:39 PM) timing_1: get a movie screen soon (01:39 PM) cheetah55: if it works...don't fix it. (01:40 PM) Marsh35: two computers using four charts (01:40 PM) John FF: this could be b/o (01:40 PM) Buffy_04364: 1722.74 R in pyra (01:40 PM) cheetah55: Mos tof us here us esignal or qcharts I think. (01:40 PM) cheetah55: gotta step out for a few....stop is in (01:40 PM) cheetah55: giddy-up (01:40 PM) Marsh35: two computers and diff. ISP's (01:40 PM) Daniel X: i've got 1729 as 2nd res pivot point (01:41 PM) gunner-: 1 puter, 1 chart..:) (01:41 PM) Daniel X: diff isp? (01:41 PM) Buffy_04364: I can't do that yet but in the fall should be able to get cable modem as a backup (01:41 PM) Marsh35: one on cable and one on the phone....don't want to be down when I trade! (01:42 PM) Buffy_04364: problems of having a private phone company in the middleof verizon and att (01:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: think you will find cable runs circles around dsl (01:43 PM) Daniel X: i think so (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: depends they aren't too bright up here (01:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: oh (01:43 PM) Marsh35: it works for me...love both (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: had to stop putting cable modem in augusta because is was slower (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: they say they have it fixed now but we will see (01:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: market internals holdinmg firm... question is timing concerning any rally (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: in the fall (01:43 PM) Buffy_04364: but would like something (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: from what I understand how fast cable modem is is going to depend on how many on line between me and them (01:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c (01:44 PM) Marsh35: true (01:44 PM) Daniel X: well yes and no (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: where as dls is just me (01:44 PM) cctraderx: and how many users while you are on (01:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: here they jsut keep building up their plant as add customers (01:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: so more customers dont seem to amtter (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: hey GSD remember I am out in the woods here (01:44 PM) Marsh35: I see cable slow down at 6:00 pacific time (01:44 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (01:45 PM) boomer_95: is this like a slow day or just me?lol (01:45 PM) John FF: whichever way this breaks it should be big (01:45 PM) Marsh35: slow and sideways (01:45 PM) John FF: just keeps contracting (01:45 PM) Marsh35: two o'clock (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: winding up the clock (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: or toy (01:46 PM) Daniel X: DSL tries to sell you on the fact that you're sharing your cable with your neighbour and your phone line is your qwn..but go to a DSL site and check the speed that customers get... cable isway faster than DSL (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: is this the one???? (01:46 PM) Buffy_04364: still can't get to 1723 (01:46 PM) Marsh35: dow is moving up again (01:46 PM) Marsh35: nas up also (01:47 PM) Buffy_04364: just posted pyra (01:47 PM) John FF: need bounce and retrace for the buy (01:47 PM) Marsh35: gotta break 1226.50 to go long on es (01:49 PM) Dirk-X: Long (01:49 PM) Buffy_04364: ditto dirk (01:49 PM) John FF: needs to retrace a bit or I missed it (01:50 PM) Marsh35: long from 1226.50 for two Paltalk: Go bannerless and support PalTalk! Subscribe today! Only $9.95 a year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (01:52 PM) John FF: has anyone paid for bannerless paltalk nad if u did how is it? (01:52 PM) John FF: and (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: great (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: nice sunset replaces the ads and you don't have that little man running around the square (01:52 PM) Buffy_04364: no pop ups either (01:53 PM) John FF: thx (01:53 PM) Daniel X: 26 to 29 hard res (01:53 PM) Buffy_04364: out +3 (01:54 PM) cctraderx: maybe dow can pull it thru (01:54 PM) Marsh35: yep...no more mom yet (01:54 PM) Dirk-X: out +.5 (01:54 PM) Daniel X: hey DIRK POLO style!lol (01:54 PM) Buffy_04364: test of top (01:55 PM) Marsh35: out of two....at 1227.00 when in doubt get out (01:55 PM) Buffy_04364: so true Marsh (01:55 PM) gunner-: out.. 3 mini pts.. (01:55 PM) Marsh35: will wait to see what happens at 2 o'clock (01:56 PM) Buffy_04364: well, I am going to go get a coffee - tell it to wait until I get back :-) (01:59 PM) gunner-: long 27.25 (02:01 PM) Daniel X: the pre 2:20 pullback i suppose (02:01 PM) Marsh35: looks like the 2 o'clock retracement? (02:01 PM) Daniel X: 18/19 key support (02:01 PM) dave_b_quick: Could make a case for H&S on NQ (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: you sure could Dave (02:02 PM) Buffy_04364: didn't notice that before you said it (02:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq draggin em down (02:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: trin down to 74 (02:03 PM) Marsh35: trin is still very bullish and so is the tick (02:04 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq taking out prior swing (02:04 PM) Marsh35: all or most of the indicators are pointing down (02:05 PM) gunner-: gave back 1... :( (02:05 PM) gravestonedoggie: an hour of nq rally vaporized in 5 mins (02:05 PM) ensignsoft: hi (02:05 PM) Buffy_04364: High Howard (02:05 PM) Marsh35: hi (02:06 PM) Marsh35: will short es if it breaks 1222.00 (02:07 PM) Daniel X: 13 min and counting (02:07 PM) ensignsoft: For the Ensign Windows weekly training class on Wednesday, we are going to use a Paltalk room. Join us Wednesday at 3:30 Central time in the Ensign Windows User Group room found in the Business and Finance section. Also, that is where I think I will hang out to provide technical support and training for Ensign Windows. So, come over there as needed to have your questions answered. Thanks. Howard Arrington (02:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: thnx.. seems like a good approach (02:08 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for letting us know Howard (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: I have some pyra charts posted today (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: seems to be working well (02:09 PM) timing_1: long 25 x2 (02:09 PM) ensignsoft: Doing support in a different room will keep from distracting your trading conversations in this room and Teresa's room. (02:09 PM) ensignsoft: Saw your charts. They look great too. (02:09 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks (02:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes, thnx (02:10 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks howard, we've been getting spoiled with Ensign room service (02:10 PM) cheetah55: darn out of ES long now for +2.00 (02:10 PM) Buffy_04364: true Dave (02:11 PM) cheetah55: had to leave so put in stop at b/e which was fine but didn't get out higher up...oh well (02:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: what do you call it when you are underwater in tech stocks??? (02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: I had that happen earlier today cheetah (02:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: a bubble bath (02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: what GSD (02:11 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:12 PM) drh_4: howard ....do you have the separate room setup (02:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: just made that up (02:12 PM) ensignsoft: Just in case you downloaded July 30th version, we see the multiple cursors showed in one other window instead of all. Therefore, July 31st posted to fix that new behavior with multiple cursors in all charts as intended. (02:12 PM) gravestonedoggie: (you probably could tell.. hehe) (02:12 PM) Daniel X: 8 min and counting (02:12 PM) ensignsoft: the separate room will be Ensign Software User Group but I have to be there for it to be open. (02:12 PM) ensignsoft: will go open it shortly. (02:12 PM) drh_4: yes ...saw that (02:12 PM) ensignsoft: ok (02:12 PM) ensignsoft: bye (02:12 PM) Buffy_04364: ok glad I didn't download the 30th (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: bye (02:13 PM) drh_4: let us know where you are...:) (02:13 PM) ensignsoft: wasn't really a big problem, but still a reason for a fix. (02:13 PM) Daniel X: 1713 has got to hold here (02:13 PM) drh_4: :( unlucky ol drh...hehe....just finished downloading the 30th (02:13 PM) Buffy_04364: I use that cursor thhing all the time would of missed it (02:15 PM) Daniel X: 5 min (02:15 PM) Buffy_04364: nice of him to fix it right away though :-) (02:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice dark cloud on es 15 min, engulfing on nq 15 min (02:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: fwiw (02:17 PM) Daniel X: 2 (02:17 PM) Daniel X: ;20 train on the tracks (02:17 PM) gravestonedoggie: T has posted an es chart with 2b kind of thing (02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL right Daniel all ready here (02:17 PM) Buffy_04364: but will be surprised (02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: tested that neckline (02:18 PM) Daniel X: will wait a see (02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: can it go contrary to price patterns also? (02:18 PM) Buffy_04364: I know it does indicators (02:18 PM) Daniel X: yes (02:19 PM) Buffy_04364: k (02:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq once again testing the backside of wedge breakout, as seen on dirk cahrt (02:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: gonna be pretty oversold shortterm here (02:20 PM) Daniel X: let see how low is low Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (02:20 PM) gravestonedoggie: no pain, no gain today (02:20 PM) Daniel X: 1705 being Pivot first res @1705 (02:21 PM) Daniel X: awful isn't it (02:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq back into wedge (02:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: wedgie trap (02:23 PM) Daniel X: bounce area (02:23 PM) John FF: 1707.50 50% fib retracement (02:23 PM) Buffy_04364: forgot that john but did get out at 1709 (02:24 PM) Daniel X: thnx john (02:24 PM) John FF: make or break time (02:25 PM) Daniel X: stochs 2 bottom 5 min (02:25 PM) Daniel X: 2 =@ (02:25 PM) John FF: sox falling dragging naz with it (02:26 PM) Buffy_04364: yep sox bears watching (02:27 PM) Daniel X: Buffy the Sox are baseball the Bears are Football (02:27 PM) Daniel X: here it is (02:28 PM) Daniel X: i hopr (02:28 PM) Buffy_04364: giggle (02:28 PM) gravestonedoggie: not much detiortion in market internals (02:29 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra posted (02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: we are on a time line now (02:31 PM) Buffy_04364: long (02:32 PM) stas2005: hi, anyone in MTNs? (02:33 PM) gravestonedoggie: rockies? (02:33 PM) gravestonedoggie: sierras? (02:33 PM) tomsurf: stas- index futures in this room :-) (02:34 PM) stas2005: look for Bank debentures on screen (02:34 PM) gravestonedoggie: climbing the 60tic mountain (02:34 PM) gravestonedoggie: ok (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: this might be bear flag on 3M (02:35 PM) Buffy_04364: what do you think? (02:36 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes (02:36 PM) tomsurf: SOX contines to tick down (02:36 PM) Buffy_04364: short hoping it is (02:36 PM) gravestonedoggie: sox falling down (02:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: might be in for some more naked trading (02:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: dont take ur shors off (02:37 PM) gravestonedoggie: shorts (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: out BE (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: now you tell me GSD (02:37 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: jus kidding (02:38 PM) gravestonedoggie: ignore me (02:38 PM) Daniel X: imo ...bounce (02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: oh I believe we are each responsible for our own trading (02:38 PM) dave_b_quick: how come you bailed, buffy? (02:38 PM) tomsurf: ES question is, will the 15min grailers be buying around 1222ish (02:38 PM) Buffy_04364: cause of two inside bars and then up on 60T (02:39 PM) Buffy_04364: can alway s get back in (02:39 PM) Marsh35: I'll be selling if the es breaks 1222.00 (02:39 PM) dave_b_quick: while options traders go naked, futures traders keep their shorts on (02:39 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (02:40 PM) Buffy_04364: double loop on 60T which isn't always reliable cause of short time frame (02:41 PM) Daniel X: still hlding PP r1 @1705 (02:41 PM) Buffy_04364: brb (02:41 PM) gravestonedoggie: always though a bear straddle not such a good idea (02:41 PM) gravestonedoggie: thought (02:41 PM) cctraderx: not today (02:41 PM) cctraderx: hehe (02:42 PM) gravestonedoggie: buffy cover vidnicated (02:42 PM) cheetah55: marsh, agree that 22 is important. If it holds this area though, it is a screaming buy. (02:42 PM) Marsh35: yep (02:43 PM) Marsh35: keep your eye out for the move at 3:00 or around there somewhere (02:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: screaming buy... sounds like something the naked option seller has to do (02:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: made enat botttom right on 22 (02:44 PM) gravestonedoggie: neat (02:45 PM) Daniel X: cannot see this selling off with the Dow so pos (02:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: not only dow but broad marekt... (02:45 PM) Daniel X: ditto (02:45 PM) Marsh35: keep your eye on the dow and nas and the es will follow (02:45 PM) gravestonedoggie: mer lynch revised down dell and that synched with this selloff in ndx and spx (02:45 PM) tomsurf: TT- just reported that Merrial cut Dells numbers....reason for SOX decline (02:46 PM) tomsurf: gsd, lol (02:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: hmm wonder what it is doing to dell (02:46 PM) cctraderx: well if the nas can kick it up a notch or two (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for the vindication GSD (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL (02:46 PM) cctraderx: down 1 from hi (02:46 PM) cctraderx: dell (02:46 PM) gravestonedoggie: Cutting third and fourth quarter revenues and profits. Markets deteriorating. 3q Revenues reduced by $400 million, eps by a penny. 4q Revenues reduced by $700 million, and eps by three cents (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks guys (02:46 PM) Buffy_04364: have some of that in long term for grandchildren (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: it has been through a few splits (02:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: well, like these brokerages are really reliable on their forecasts (02:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: 22 retest es (02:47 PM) Buffy_04364: yeah, I know but stocks still react to them (02:47 PM) gravestonedoggie: true (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: that is shy I was so glad to get out of stocks (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: it has to go now or never to go up (02:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: you dont seem shy, but ok if you are (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL s/b why (02:48 PM) Buffy_04364: and no I am not shy (02:48 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (02:49 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (02:49 PM) gravestonedoggie: :__) (02:49 PM) gravestonedoggie: oops (02:49 PM) tomsurf: heads up SOX just ticked up 4pts (02:50 PM) gravestonedoggie: oh boy (02:50 PM) gravestonedoggie: think sox hit trendline at its high (02:50 PM) tomsurf: ticks just pushed down to LOD Paltalk: Are banners a bummer and popups a pain? 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(02:51 PM) gravestonedoggie: wow, see that tom (02:51 PM) Marsh35: d and n are getting weaker...es will follow (02:52 PM) Daniel X: this PP R1@1705 acting like major support (02:53 PM) gravestonedoggie: if bullish, the 22 es level and tick plunge might be an entry (02:53 PM) gravestonedoggie: entry against 22 stop that is (02:53 PM) gravestonedoggie: not a trade i am taking though (02:54 PM) gravestonedoggie: cuz i am clueless (02:54 PM) Buffy_04364: give yourself more credit GSD (02:54 PM) Marsh35: 1222.00 is major support level for today (02:55 PM) gravestonedoggie: clueless for the moment (i hope) :-) (02:55 PM) Marsh35: gotta short here (02:55 PM) Marsh35: the only thing that scares me is the 3 o'clock hop (02:56 PM) Limit1x: 1706 is a 38% retrace on the nq (02:56 PM) tomsurf: SOX back down (02:56 PM) Daniel X: wait for the majors to move and follow along...do nothing till then (02:57 PM) gravestonedoggie: 1706 also looked interesting on buffy's pyra cahrt (02:57 PM) cheetah55: long es (02:57 PM) gravestonedoggie: though i dont know pyra (02:57 PM) Marsh35: good luck (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: yep it does and while it goes below it it doesn't close below it (02:57 PM) Daniel X: 1706 on Pyra ...1705 on Pivot Point (02:57 PM) Buffy_04364: so in pyra terms it is holding (02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: yep we are always close daniel (02:58 PM) Buffy_04364: at least it seems it to me (02:58 PM) Daniel X: yes and on PnF 1706.50 (02:58 PM) gravestonedoggie: see also the 3 little tries lower in nq over last 30 minutes (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: actual pyra figure is 1706.52 (02:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: showing loos of sell pressure, perhaps (02:59 PM) Dirk-X: Long 1708 (02:59 PM) Marsh35: cheetah the trend is your friend...I think? hehe (02:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: loss of (02:59 PM) Daniel X: so no matter what method the whole world is waiting for the same thing! (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL yep (02:59 PM) gravestonedoggie: cheetah may be looking at larger tf (02:59 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra is very visual quick look and you know what should be happening (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: change that to might be (03:00 PM) Buffy_04364: :-) (03:00 PM) Dirk-X: need a higher high here (03:00 PM) Daniel X: let it print 12 (03:01 PM) Buffy_04364: would be nice (03:01 PM) cctraderx: there it is (03:01 PM) Daniel X: long 12 (03:01 PM) cheetah55: the volume lately has been pathetic (03:01 PM) Marsh35: 3 o'clock hop? (03:02 PM) cheetah55: Aug is gonna be a real snoozer unless some big news moves the market (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: like what cheetah? (03:02 PM) Marsh35: I agree (03:02 PM) Buffy_04364: I couldn't think of anything when talking to my son the other night (03:02 PM) cctraderx: agree cheetah (03:03 PM) gravestonedoggie: in old days when weak bonds, stocks would often bounce at 3 when bond related selling pressure came off as bonds closed at 3 (03:03 PM) tomsurf: lotta news about Bushie wanting to nail Sadam this weekend...little conflict over there would light up the market. (03:04 PM) cheetah55: some unexpected thing to do with rates would be positive...most anything else that moves the market will probably be negative (03:04 PM) cheetah55: out of es long (03:05 PM) cheetah55: +1.50 (03:05 PM) tomsurf: cheetah- :-) (03:05 PM) cheetah55: gonna go watch paint dry (03:05 PM) Daniel X: out +1.5 (03:05 PM) Marsh35: cool (03:05 PM) Marsh35: better than a poke in the eye (03:05 PM) cheetah55: or maybe watch the cows eat grass (03:06 PM) Daniel X: 1 min bar opened lower (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: sniff the fumes too (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: maybe? (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: hehe (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: kidding (03:06 PM) gravestonedoggie: they sniff anything these days (03:07 PM) gravestonedoggie: that was a short party (03:07 PM) cheetah55: What is bothersome is that this market had all the making of a big up day...a chance for a the es to get about 1230 (I know that is asking a lot), but give it some resistance near the top of the range and the volume dries up and it has nowhere to go but down. Get used to this B/S and learn how to trade it or Aug will be a long month !! (03:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: true cheetah (03:09 PM) Daniel X: aauuuggghh stop cleansing time (03:09 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm thinking of taking CJ's advice and just changing the labels on my BUY and SELL buttons (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: though market has rallied 150 sp points in a week or os.. so maybe not suprising if it loses some of its punch (03:09 PM) Daniel X: Dave lol (03:09 PM) gravestonedoggie: 150 sp pts, that is (03:10 PM) Dirk-X: still long...SL=b/e=1708 (03:10 PM) dave_b_quick: good job, dirk (03:10 PM) Dirk-X: might move back to 06 (03:10 PM) tomsurf: dave- there was a time when I was thinking of fading myself, lol (03:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: so that tick washout was a good entry (03:11 PM) tomsurf: and some days it'd be the thing to do ;-) (03:11 PM) dave_b_quick: yup, gotta switch gears (03:12 PM) tomsurf: gsd, still watching as ticks have rallied back but not able to make a push higher yet (03:12 PM) Daniel X: 3 box on PnF (03:13 PM) Daniel X: buy the dip signal (03:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: right tom.. reached about +350 (03:13 PM) Buffy_04364: you will have to explain that later daniel (03:14 PM) tomsurf: gsd- agree with you, just looking for some more confirmation (03:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: right.. i think in last hours ticks get a bit wierd... ever notice that? ie, dont follow patterns as well? (03:15 PM) gravestonedoggie: though ticks at close can be revealing (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: I think that is true of all indicators GSD (03:15 PM) Buffy_04364: PA rules at the end (03:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: yes (03:16 PM) Marsh35: what is PA? (03:16 PM) Daniel X: When you have an up move look for an entry on a 3 box reversal which indicates a dip or pullback once it doesn't violate support and the same goes for shorting (03:16 PM) dave_b_quick: Price Action (03:17 PM) Marsh35: thanks (03:17 PM) John FF: just a reminder, market closes 3:05 central (03:17 PM) dave_b_quick: most indicators are derived from price action, so if you look at PA you're going straight to the source (03:17 PM) Marsh35: here comes the 50% retracement (03:17 PM) Buffy_04364: tks john (03:17 PM) tomsurf: ya, I'm just thinking that some good ticks earlier so should see em push back up towards EOD unless alot of that morning push was shme short covering (03:18 PM) Buffy_04364: that is also true dave and pa usually beats the indicators (03:18 PM) tomsurf: shme= short (03:18 PM) dave_b_quick: yup, no lag there (03:19 PM) Marsh35: profit takes on the run (03:19 PM) gravestonedoggie: could be, tom.. could also be that the high early ticks was more or less of a buying climax of the rally of the last week or so (03:20 PM) John FF: should get a bounce here (03:20 PM) Daniel X: huge down move on PnF breaking of that 1705...we'll see Paltalk: Click banners to visit our sponsors. (03:21 PM) Marsh35: broke to the bottom of the bar on a 10 min. (03:21 PM) gravestonedoggie: could close back in wedge (03:21 PM) John FF: not good. just broke 1st hrs hi (03:21 PM) Daniel X: PP target 1688 (03:21 PM) cheetah55: marsh, u go short es? (03:22 PM) Marsh35: at 1222.00 (03:22 PM) Buffy_04364: bouncing on a TL jere on 3M (03:22 PM) gravestonedoggie: adios to purina for now (03:22 PM) tomsurf: Marsh- nice patience (03:23 PM) Marsh35: just scalping 2 and will call it a day (03:24 PM) Marsh35: looks like support here for some reason (03:25 PM) John FF: if it bounces look for 1710 (03:25 PM) Buffy_04364: inside bar on 3M (03:25 PM) ovidelutu: Hi everybody! work somebody in shipping ind.? (03:25 PM) Marsh35: tick is bearish... (03:25 PM) cheetah55: marsh, I think u will get your 1220 (03:25 PM) Marsh35: faith (03:25 PM) Marsh35: hope (03:25 PM) Marsh35: luck (03:26 PM) Marsh35: out (03:26 PM) dave_b_quick: hi ovidelu (03:26 PM) tomsurf: bingo (03:26 PM) ovidelutu: Hi Dave (03:26 PM) dave_b_quick: you a trader? (03:26 PM) ovidelutu: Where are you from? (03:26 PM) ovidelutu: No I am an agent: crew, harbour,... (03:26 PM) cheetah55: nice marsh (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: i'm in Buffalo NY right now, but we're from all over. We trade index futures. (03:27 PM) Buffy_04364: be back want to go see Howard for a moment (03:27 PM) Marsh35: cheetah...flat at 1219.75 (03:27 PM) ovidelutu: Broker, Chartering, but not an owner! (03:27 PM) Marsh35: two contracts (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: you mean a sailor? (03:27 PM) dave_b_quick: a boat broker? (03:27 PM) ovidelutu: yes! (03:28 PM) Daniel X: DAVE...these boots are made for walking and one of these.........lol (03:28 PM) tomsurf: lol (03:28 PM) cctraderx: lol (03:28 PM) dave_b_quick: LOL, how did you wind up in here? (03:28 PM) ovidelutu: of course, shipbroker (03:28 PM) Marsh35: I'll call it a day...run to the bank before the know I got it. (03:28 PM) dave_b_quick: OK, marsh, laughing all the way (03:29 PM) ovidelutu: ?! (03:29 PM) Marsh35: great room ...will be back (03:29 PM) cctraderx: see ya (03:29 PM) dave_b_quick: in here broker usually means futures broker or stock broker (03:29 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, March, CC (03:29 PM) Daniel X: take care (03:30 PM) cctraderx: I meant Marsh, I staying till the end today (03:30 PM) ovidelutu: So, succes in yr business!Bye (03:30 PM) jimbo_320: 1220 and 1700 are the numbers :-( (03:30 PM) cctraderx: haha (03:30 PM) dave_b_quick: chao (03:33 PM) jimbo_320: has anyone entered an order on nyse, below the last price, but close to it, waited for 10 minutes, cancelled it, then got filled before the cancel came through, its happened heaps of times to me on nyse, always the markets slides afterwards, its as though they see the cancel and realize i aint going to up my bid and fill me ? (03:33 PM) Daniel X: filled limit 97 (03:34 PM) Daniel X: stop @96.50 (03:34 PM) tomsurf: Heads up for early close today...5min after the hour (03:34 PM) tomsurf: new tick low (03:37 PM) Daniel X: out..no cost (03:37 PM) cheetah55: Who is letting the riff-raff in?? (03:37 PM) rs_5: ok, sound working (03:39 PM) Daniel X: JIMBO..happened quite alot the past few weeks to me on NQ (03:39 PM) Daniel X: chop that's all (03:39 PM) Daniel X: imo (03:40 PM) cctraderx: jimbo, happens a quite a bit on nyse since still a Market Maker system (03:40 PM) jimbo_320: daniel, i mean on nyse stocks, but it the fact they wont fill me until i cancel the order, b'stards (03:40 PM) gravestonedoggie: what broker, ib? (03:41 PM) Daniel X: SOBs and they fill you !? (03:41 PM) cctraderx: remember nyse is not electronic and market makers see your orders (03:41 PM) jimbo_320: yep on ib (03:41 PM) cctraderx: trading qqq on amex is same way, must trade with ecns (03:41 PM) tomsurf: Rumors that MLynch cut MSFT numbers.. market is locals only though (03:41 PM) jimbo_320: never happens on any other exchange (03:42 PM) Daniel X: 1701 PnF break ..in this chop not me (03:42 PM) cctraderx: ML should be cut, they cant get any business and are pissing off the big tech companies, LOL (03:43 PM) gravestonedoggie: end of q gyrations could be an element here (03:43 PM) cctraderx: jimbo happens on AMEX for qqq (03:44 PM) jimbo_320: b's'rds, hate em all (03:44 PM) cctraderx: on ib trade ecns if you can, like island instinet brut etc (03:45 PM) cheetah55: long es here (03:45 PM) jimbo_320: cc, do they list a lot of nyse stocks? (03:46 PM) cctraderx: don't know, usu the big ones (03:47 PM) jimbo_320: maybe BEST is not best all the time, :-( , usually is routed to nyse (03:47 PM) cctraderx: i just entered a couple of symbols and they show up (03:47 PM) cctraderx: best is not best if time is of essence (03:47 PM) cheetah55: out -1.25 (03:48 PM) jimbo_320: cc i'm not the 0.1 point scapler (03:48 PM) cctraderx: then go with an ecn like island (03:49 PM) cheetah55: short es (03:49 PM) jimbo_320: nice one i will do, just tried it and all dow stocks seem to show (03:50 PM) cctraderx: island is quick and usually get slippage in your favor (03:50 PM) cheetah55: out b/e Paltalk: Love PalTalk but hate the banners and popups? Go bannerless! Only $9.95 per year! Click HELP on your Pal List then click 'Bannerless PalTalk'. (03:54 PM) Daniel X: have a great evening everyone..hope tommorrow brings us more fortune.July has been interesting ZZZZZZzzzzz...BYE! (03:54 PM) dave_b_quick: Thanks Dan (03:54 PM) jimbo_320: lets hope a close under 1700 can get some fear back into this market, grrrr (03:54 PM) dave_b_quick: hahaha need something (03:54 PM) Daniel X: ditto bring on the fear (03:54 PM) Daniel X: BYE (03:55 PM) cctraderx: bye (03:55 PM) jimbo_320: then we can really make some $$ (03:56 PM) flash216: 10 (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: es not testing highs of last few days (03:56 PM) gravestonedoggie: now testing (03:56 PM) jimbo_320: cheetah, maybe covering my 1225 short at 1222 was a bit too early, :-( (03:57 PM) jimbo_320: a sinking market is just beaut (03:57 PM) Buffy_04364: howard has a 4M pyra posted for s (03:58 PM) Buffy_04364: us (03:59 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, thx for the heads up (03:59 PM) cheetah55: jimbo, looks that way now (03:59 PM) cheetah55: but 3 points is not bad (03:59 PM) cheetah55: going lower (03:59 PM) Buffy_04364: the download fixes my problem (04:00 PM) jimbo_320: nice hangman on the es daily at the top of the downtrend,,, he he (04:00 PM) Buffy_04364: He may be in here after off phone (04:01 PM) gravestonedoggie: nq really croaked (04:01 PM) cheetah55: Well, nice to have some action today, after a couple of snoozers (04:02 PM) tomsurf: cheetah, isn't that the truth (04:03 PM) jimbo_320: yep, nice to have a 16 up and down trading day and more to come tommorrow (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: sure is cheetah - wonder what tomorrow will bring (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: that means cj had a lot of RT today (04:03 PM) jimbo_320: 1210 here we come (04:03 PM) Buffy_04364: I was so impressed with his total yesterday I couldn't even begin to find them all! (04:04 PM) tomsurf: Buffy, don't know but the Bulls are looking kinda neutered right now. (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: even on a one minute chart (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: LOL they sure are (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: pyra has gone down two boxes (04:04 PM) Buffy_04364: since I left to see Howard (04:05 PM) Buffy_04364: I got that error in ensign again but he couldn't duplicate it so going to have to really watch what I do to make it happen (04:05 PM) jimbo_320: i hate to see a trade turn into a 10+ pointer :-( - without me (04:06 PM) dave_b_quick: ya, tom, bulls turned to steers with this gravestone doji day at resistance (04:07 PM) cheetah55: well jimbo, do what I am gonna do tonight. Look at the chart and figure out how how it would have been better to play this !! LOL (04:07 PM) cheetah55: Was anyone short though most of this down move this pm. If so, congrats! (04:07 PM) Buffy_04364: that was the biggest thing that helped me cheetah - going over my trades at night (04:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: i got a whopping 1 pt on the downmove (04:08 PM) cheetah55: Marsh was right about 22 in ES being important and I agreed. Not sure why I wasn't short, though. (04:08 PM) gravestonedoggie: i did not want to trade after 3 (04:09 PM) tomsurf: cheetah I think the solid break of 1220 was the nail in the coffin but hate being short at the end of the day (04:09 PM) cheetah55: gsd, better than me. I never even tried to short it after 22 broke. (04:09 PM) sam00_1: cancel 1715 sell just have market up 171550 an down without me lolo (04:10 PM) tomsurf: aah sam, nice spot too (04:10 PM) gravestonedoggie: why was 20 so key? (04:10 PM) jimbo_320: cheetah i see someone bidding 250 contracts at 1222 and i think oops time to bail, i do it every time, its harder to set a stop loss above and potentially lose a couple of points (04:10 PM) sam00_1: thats my luck u need some (04:11 PM) tomsurf: 9min traded at that level for 27mins this am and then pushed up from there (04:11 PM) cheetah55: 250 contracts on the bid in the ES? that dang ES globex....I think they are bluffing most of the time. Ya ever see how quick they disappear. Hate that! (04:11 PM) Dirk-X: The ultimate play...Just posted 15min retest of Wedgeline...look at the pink arrow ! (04:11 PM) Dirk-X: Wish I'd seen it happen (04:11 PM) gravestonedoggie: i c.. 20 was brekaout from that little pause area (04:12 PM) Buffy_04364: sounds like you hate that as much as I hate triangles :-) (04:12 PM) dave_b_quick: NQ 15m would have been the only way to avoid the chop today (04:12 PM) jimbo_320: trap over 1220 (04:12 PM) sam00_1: could i see a chart about what yall been talking about (04:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: nice chart dirk (04:13 PM) gravestonedoggie: i remember commenting on falling back into wedge, but missed that setup too (04:13 PM) Buffy_04364: www.dacharts_dachart_dacharts_dachart.com (04:13 PM) rs_5: have a nice evening all (04:14 PM) Dirk-X: Would've been the technical play of plays this afternoon IMHO (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: we have a lot of eyes in here (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: to watch the charts (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: yes it would of dirk (04:14 PM) Buffy_04364: nice chart BTW (04:15 PM) tomsurf: Dirk, you got that (04:15 PM) cctraderx: its all so easy afterwards, hehe (04:15 PM) cctraderx: we'll have to speak up more (04:15 PM) cctraderx: y (04:16 PM) Buffy_04364: yes Howard (04:16 PM) gravestonedoggie: fact that general tape looked constructive also kept me leery of shorts... better to have focused on chart only (04:16 PM) gunner-: mmm.. nice down move from 2 pm. .sorry I had to leave (04:16 PM) tomsurf: ya, I'm pretty much 100% wins looking at my charts at night, lol (04:16 PM) cctraderx: gunner, what time frame do you use? (04:16 PM) tomsurf: Howard-sounds like a plan :-) (04:17 PM) cheetah55: tom, LOL (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: yes everyone should speak up with what they see or think they see. Learn a lot that way (04:17 PM) Buffy_04364: nice idea howard (04:17 PM) gunner-: cc watch 5 and 15.. trade off 1 min chart (04:17 PM) cctraderx: thanks gunner (04:18 PM) tomsurf: gunner- nice to have you around :-) (04:18 PM) cctraderx: ditto (04:18 PM) Buffy_04364: if you don't think too involved Howard a basic thing on each of the cycle tools and how they vary with what they show (04:18 PM) gunner-: tom .. not here much thru summer.. (04:19 PM) tomsurf: gunner, well heck can't blame ya. (04:19 PM) ensignsoft: thx buffy, one other suggestions for tomorrow's training class? (04:19 PM) gunner-: may set up my own thing in the fall (04:20 PM) jimbo_320: bye all happy trading (04:20 PM) tomsurf: gunner- great (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: please include the the fib ruler on that (04:20 PM) Buffy_04364: they all seem alike Paltalk: Please support our sponsors by clicking on banners. (04:22 PM) tomsurf: bye all, have a good one :-) (04:22 PM) Buffy_04364: bye tom (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: I have to meet a bridge student on line in a few minutes. (04:25 PM) Buffy_04364: take care all and see you here tomorrow (04:26 PM) ensignsoft: bye (04:26 PM) Buffy_04364: enjoy the evening (04:26 PM) Buffy_04364: thanks for the help Howard (04:26 PM) ensignsoft: welcome (04:26 PM) ensignsoft: pass the reminder for Wed training at 15:30 (04:26 PM) ensignsoft: thx (04:28 PM) gunner-: C U All Peace (04:29 PM) dave_b_quick: thanks, gunner (04:40 PM) Buffy_04364: bridge student a no show so far so going to try the two together and see if there is a problem (04:43 PM) dave_b_quick: dow jones industial average (04:43 PM) dave_b_quick: an index of big industrial companies Paltalk: Press the INVITE button NOW! Get your friends in on the fun! Invite them to join us on PalTalk today!